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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75459989 United Kingdom 09/11/2017 12:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've been thinking about all of these migrant stories of violence, new ones seem to emerge daily. Now obviously Muslims have been coming to the USA and other primarily Christian nations for well.... as long as they have existed but this is the first time in modern history where these stories of theft, rape and murder by Muslim immigrants are just part and parcel of daily life. Why? Quoting: Zuzu Where I live in Oklahoma there was a major inflow of Muslims during the 80's. Most were Iranian and Pakistani but there were others as well. In truth I don't know why so many came here, at the time I was young and paid little attention to politics. I remember asking my Nana once and her telling me that the towel heads destroyed their own countries and now they wanted ours. (Nana said what she thought and was never politically correct) Anyway, even with all of these migrant people coming to my medium sized town there were no instances of rape or murder. The crime rate didn't increase and no one was afraid to walk down the street without an escort. Mosques weren't being erected on every street corner. Between the communities there was a mutual respect and a unspoken but very firm division. You know, a these are my people, those are yours sort of thing. This division worked well for both sides of the coin. On a business level there was interaction but socially we stayed to our own. So why is it different now? My theory for what it is worth is that the difference is what was expected of the migrants. Back then my Nana managed several large apartment complexes where the majority of these people settled. She handled the paperwork and such for move in's, particularly those getting state or federal help. When a migrant came here they were assisted with housing, utilities and food for a probationary term of three months. If during that three months they found employment they were given an additional three months to help them get on their feet. If they did not obtain employment they were removed for assistance and denied any future eligibility. Upon not fulfilling their obligations they would be deported. If they had troubles with the law they were deported. You see, from the very beginning it was made absolutely clear to them what was expected and what the consequences would be if they did not live up to those expectations. They either accepted the rules, laws and expectations or they were removed, simple as that. The community would not be changing it's ways to accommodate the migrants, if they wanted to stay here they would be the ones who had to make the effort to fit in. They knew that there would be no claiming that they did this or that because the law of their religion condoned it. No, you follow the rules of the community you are joining or face the repercussions. Of course there were also the unofficial consequences that they knew they would face for certain crimes. I can't help but think that these played into the equation maybe even more than the the official ones. I guarantee you that each and every one knew that if they committed a rape for instance the best they could hope for is that the law got a hold of them first. The far more likely result was that the girls daddy, brother, husband along with all of there friends would take their own justice and well... for good or bad the police would just look the other way. Now you can say all you want about how this violates human rights and such but it can not be denied that it was an effective deterrent. I think the biggest problem we have today is that nothing is expected of these migrants. Not only that but instead of them becoming contributing members of a community people are bending over backwards to change their own communities to accommodate the new comers. They know that no matter what they do they can cry religion and no one will touch them. Well... the way I figure it you can have what ever religion that you want but when your religious or cultural edicts cross the line of legality you either quell your actions or return to your ancestral homes where your particular brand of criminal activity is acceptable. Maybe what this whole immigration fiasco needs is a little small town thinking and a good deal of small town justice. Thanks for reading my wall of text. Manufactured war by Saudi sunnis and Jewish isreal , the good guys are Iran , and white right wing , please do not send your children to fight for USA against Iran , when the onslaught against Iran starts Jesus comes , he will come and fucking anilate, |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75333447 United States 09/11/2017 12:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've been thinking about all of these migrant stories of violence, new ones seem to emerge daily. Now obviously Muslims have been coming to the USA and other primarily Christian nations for well.... as long as they have existed but this is the first time in modern history where these stories of theft, rape and murder by Muslim immigrants are just part and parcel of daily life. Why? Quoting: Zuzu Where I live in Oklahoma there was a major inflow of Muslims during the 80's. Most were Iranian and Pakistani but there were others as well. In truth I don't know why so many came here, at the time I was young and paid little attention to politics. I remember asking my Nana once and her telling me that the towel heads destroyed their own countries and now they wanted ours. (Nana said what she thought and was never politically correct) Anyway, even with all of these migrant people coming to my medium sized town there were no instances of rape or murder. The crime rate didn't increase and no one was afraid to walk down the street without an escort. Mosques weren't being erected on every street corner. Between the communities there was a mutual respect and a unspoken but very firm division. You know, a these are my people, those are yours sort of thing. This division worked well for both sides of the coin. On a business level there was interaction but socially we stayed to our own. So why is it different now? My theory for what it is worth is that the difference is what was expected of the migrants. Back then my Nana managed several large apartment complexes where the majority of these people settled. She handled the paperwork and such for move in's, particularly those getting state or federal help. When a migrant came here they were assisted with housing, utilities and food for a probationary term of three months. If during that three months they found employment they were given an additional three months to help them get on their feet. If they did not obtain employment they were removed for assistance and denied any future eligibility. Upon not fulfilling their obligations they would be deported. If they had troubles with the law they were deported. You see, from the very beginning it was made absolutely clear to them what was expected and what the consequences would be if they did not live up to those expectations. They either accepted the rules, laws and expectations or they were removed, simple as that. The community would not be changing it's ways to accommodate the migrants, if they wanted to stay here they would be the ones who had to make the effort to fit in. They knew that there would be no claiming that they did this or that because the law of their religion condoned it. No, you follow the rules of the community you are joining or face the repercussions. Of course there were also the unofficial consequences that they knew they would face for certain crimes. I can't help but think that these played into the equation maybe even more than the the official ones. I guarantee you that each and every one knew that if they committed a rape for instance the best they could hope for is that the law got a hold of them first. The far more likely result was that the girls daddy, brother, husband along with all of there friends would take their own justice and well... for good or bad the police would just look the other way. Now you can say all you want about how this violates human rights and such but it can not be denied that it was an effective deterrent. I think the biggest problem we have today is that nothing is expected of these migrants. Not only that but instead of them becoming contributing members of a community people are bending over backwards to change their own communities to accommodate the new comers. They know that no matter what they do they can cry religion and no one will touch them. Well... the way I figure it you can have what ever religion that you want but when your religious or cultural edicts cross the line of legality you either quell your actions or return to your ancestral homes where your particular brand of criminal activity is acceptable. Maybe what this whole immigration fiasco needs is a little small town thinking and a good deal of small town justice. Thanks for reading my wall of text. imo, there were community organizers planted into immigrant ranks, in US and EU. |
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Zuzu (OP) User ID: 40189635 United States 09/11/2017 12:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've been thinking about all of these migrant stories of violence, new ones seem to emerge daily. Now obviously Muslims have been coming to the USA and other primarily Christian nations for well.... as long as they have existed but this is the first time in modern history where these stories of theft, rape and murder by Muslim immigrants are just part and parcel of daily life. Why? Quoting: Zuzu Where I live in Oklahoma there was a major inflow of Muslims during the 80's. Most were Iranian and Pakistani but there were others as well. In truth I don't know why so many came here, at the time I was young and paid little attention to politics. I remember asking my Nana once and her telling me that the towel heads destroyed their own countries and now they wanted ours. (Nana said what she thought and was never politically correct) Anyway, even with all of these migrant people coming to my medium sized town there were no instances of rape or murder. The crime rate didn't increase and no one was afraid to walk down the street without an escort. Mosques weren't being erected on every street corner. Between the communities there was a mutual respect and a unspoken but very firm division. You know, a these are my people, those are yours sort of thing. This division worked well for both sides of the coin. On a business level there was interaction but socially we stayed to our own. So why is it different now? My theory for what it is worth is that the difference is what was expected of the migrants. Back then my Nana managed several large apartment complexes where the majority of these people settled. She handled the paperwork and such for move in's, particularly those getting state or federal help. When a migrant came here they were assisted with housing, utilities and food for a probationary term of three months. If during that three months they found employment they were given an additional three months to help them get on their feet. If they did not obtain employment they were removed for assistance and denied any future eligibility. Upon not fulfilling their obligations they would be deported. If they had troubles with the law they were deported. You see, from the very beginning it was made absolutely clear to them what was expected and what the consequences would be if they did not live up to those expectations. They either accepted the rules, laws and expectations or they were removed, simple as that. The community would not be changing it's ways to accommodate the migrants, if they wanted to stay here they would be the ones who had to make the effort to fit in. They knew that there would be no claiming that they did this or that because the law of their religion condoned it. No, you follow the rules of the community you are joining or face the repercussions. Of course there were also the unofficial consequences that they knew they would face for certain crimes. I can't help but think that these played into the equation maybe even more than the the official ones. I guarantee you that each and every one knew that if they committed a rape for instance the best they could hope for is that the law got a hold of them first. The far more likely result was that the girls daddy, brother, husband along with all of there friends would take their own justice and well... for good or bad the police would just look the other way. Now you can say all you want about how this violates human rights and such but it can not be denied that it was an effective deterrent. I think the biggest problem we have today is that nothing is expected of these migrants. Not only that but instead of them becoming contributing members of a community people are bending over backwards to change their own communities to accommodate the new comers. They know that no matter what they do they can cry religion and no one will touch them. Well... the way I figure it you can have what ever religion that you want but when your religious or cultural edicts cross the line of legality you either quell your actions or return to your ancestral homes where your particular brand of criminal activity is acceptable. Maybe what this whole immigration fiasco needs is a little small town thinking and a good deal of small town justice. Thanks for reading my wall of text. Manufactured war by Saudi sunnis and Jewish isreal , the good guys are Iran , and white right wing , please do not send your children to fight for USA against Iran , when the onslaught against Iran starts Jesus comes , he will come and fucking anilate, Thank you for your post. Proud to share the basket with you. |
Zuzu (OP) User ID: 40189635 United States 09/11/2017 12:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I've been thinking about all of these migrant stories of violence, new ones seem to emerge daily. Now obviously Muslims have been coming to the USA and other primarily Christian nations for well.... as long as they have existed but this is the first time in modern history where these stories of theft, rape and murder by Muslim immigrants are just part and parcel of daily life. Why? Quoting: Zuzu Where I live in Oklahoma there was a major inflow of Muslims during the 80's. Most were Iranian and Pakistani but there were others as well. In truth I don't know why so many came here, at the time I was young and paid little attention to politics. I remember asking my Nana once and her telling me that the towel heads destroyed their own countries and now they wanted ours. (Nana said what she thought and was never politically correct) Anyway, even with all of these migrant people coming to my medium sized town there were no instances of rape or murder. The crime rate didn't increase and no one was afraid to walk down the street without an escort. Mosques weren't being erected on every street corner. Between the communities there was a mutual respect and a unspoken but very firm division. You know, a these are my people, those are yours sort of thing. This division worked well for both sides of the coin. On a business level there was interaction but socially we stayed to our own. So why is it different now? My theory for what it is worth is that the difference is what was expected of the migrants. Back then my Nana managed several large apartment complexes where the majority of these people settled. She handled the paperwork and such for move in's, particularly those getting state or federal help. When a migrant came here they were assisted with housing, utilities and food for a probationary term of three months. If during that three months they found employment they were given an additional three months to help them get on their feet. If they did not obtain employment they were removed for assistance and denied any future eligibility. Upon not fulfilling their obligations they would be deported. If they had troubles with the law they were deported. You see, from the very beginning it was made absolutely clear to them what was expected and what the consequences would be if they did not live up to those expectations. They either accepted the rules, laws and expectations or they were removed, simple as that. The community would not be changing it's ways to accommodate the migrants, if they wanted to stay here they would be the ones who had to make the effort to fit in. They knew that there would be no claiming that they did this or that because the law of their religion condoned it. No, you follow the rules of the community you are joining or face the repercussions. Of course there were also the unofficial consequences that they knew they would face for certain crimes. I can't help but think that these played into the equation maybe even more than the the official ones. I guarantee you that each and every one knew that if they committed a rape for instance the best they could hope for is that the law got a hold of them first. The far more likely result was that the girls daddy, brother, husband along with all of there friends would take their own justice and well... for good or bad the police would just look the other way. Now you can say all you want about how this violates human rights and such but it can not be denied that it was an effective deterrent. I think the biggest problem we have today is that nothing is expected of these migrants. Not only that but instead of them becoming contributing members of a community people are bending over backwards to change their own communities to accommodate the new comers. They know that no matter what they do they can cry religion and no one will touch them. Well... the way I figure it you can have what ever religion that you want but when your religious or cultural edicts cross the line of legality you either quell your actions or return to your ancestral homes where your particular brand of criminal activity is acceptable. Maybe what this whole immigration fiasco needs is a little small town thinking and a good deal of small town justice. Thanks for reading my wall of text. imo, there were community organizers planted into immigrant ranks, in US and EU. That's a strong possibility. Proud to share the basket with you. |
~kpm~ User ID: 75349625 United States 09/11/2017 12:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm in Michigan, when the influx started it was noticeable that they were working in gas stations and party store first. Many own them now and I've always been curious about this. I remember flying to Florida after 9/11 and most of TSA working at Metro Airport were Muslim. Never understood that. ~With forethought and malice Whitless enacted an EO giving nursing homes immunity from wrongful death prosecutions, forced them to take in infected patients and is responsible for over 6500+ nursing home deaths~ |
Half Past Midnight User ID: 21308229 United States 09/11/2017 01:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When a migrant came here they were assisted with housing, utilities and food for a probationary term of three months. If during that three months they found employment they were given an additional three months to help them get on their feet. If they did not obtain employment they were removed for assistance and denied any future eligibility. Upon not fulfilling their obligations they would be deported. If they had troubles with the law they were deported. Yes, absolutely. We should not have stopped deporting them. And since so many have slipped under the radar & made babies...we should not have been letting ANY more of them in. |
Zuzu (OP) User ID: 40189635 United States 09/11/2017 01:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm in Michigan, when the influx started it was noticeable that they were working in gas stations and party store first. Quoting: ~kpm~ Many own them now and I've always been curious about this. I remember flying to Florida after 9/11 and most of TSA working at Metro Airport were Muslim. Never understood that. It's similar here with the gas stations. One couple that came to the US during the time I posted about started working at what was then the Circle K next to the apartments. Eventually when the owner was ready to retire the couple purchased the store. That store is still in the couples family. It is now run by their grandchildren who interestingly do not appear to be Muslim. The family has contributed to the community in a positive way and has been welcomed by it in return. I know that three other family's are still around, one owns an appliance store, another an electronics store (mostly cell phones today) and the last deals in real estate and construction. My father has worked with this last family fairly regularly through the years. They really are good folk but ironically they are no longer Muslims either. That is frightening about the airport. I certainly hope that the situation has changed since then. Talk about a perfect set up for a plane jacking. I'm not trying to imply that all Muslims want to do something like that only that well.... statistically? Yeah, a bad set up all around. Proud to share the basket with you. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63965409 United Kingdom 09/11/2017 01:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm in Michigan, when the influx started it was noticeable that they were working in gas stations and party store first. Quoting: ~kpm~ Many own them now and I've always been curious about this. I remember flying to Florida after 9/11 and most of TSA working at Metro Airport were Muslim. Never understood that. My question is not ment to provoke or cause an argument of any kind ... But can i ask how you know they are Muslim at the airport ? |
~kpm~ User ID: 75349625 United States 09/11/2017 01:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm in Michigan, when the influx started it was noticeable that they were working in gas stations and party store first. Quoting: ~kpm~ Many own them now and I've always been curious about this. I remember flying to Florida after 9/11 and most of TSA working at Metro Airport were Muslim. Never understood that. My question is not ment to provoke or cause an argument of any kind ... But can i ask how you know they are Muslim at the airport ? By what they were wearing, their physical appearance and their name tags. All were male the day I was there. Why do you ask? ETA: They were probably not TSA when I flew out that time as I don't think that had started yet, these were just the people who did the old security checks. Last Edited by ~kpm~ on 09/11/2017 02:10 PM ~With forethought and malice Whitless enacted an EO giving nursing homes immunity from wrongful death prosecutions, forced them to take in infected patients and is responsible for over 6500+ nursing home deaths~ |
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NotStarvingActress User ID: 75450407 United States 09/11/2017 02:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There were many "Persians," as they prefer to be called and not Iranians, who came to the US during and after the fall of the Shah. All were from educated, Westernized families, spoke English, and had marketable skills. Most had gone to school in Western Europe or the US. Previous immigrants understood our culture and values and wanted to adapt. Living in the US meant freedom from the threat of sudden arrest and execution due to the drastic change in political structure when there was a coup d'etat. The new regime instituted Shariah Law and the deletion of Western freedoms. Under Pres Obama thousands of unvetted immigrants were flown to the US in the middle of the night. Various charities and religious groups received $$$ for resettlement. They were not always placed near an existing group of immigrant Americans who spoke their language and understand their culture. Nor were they given acculturation lessons as was done previously. |
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Wondering Mind User ID: 73265267 United States 09/11/2017 02:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is stark difference between immigrants and invaders. Between an organization and a population. Some of another population come, some come and go, the organization remains. Organized is the difference and technology like the world wide internet, makes there here and here there. Connected and organized is not population it is an organization. Last Edited by Wondering Mind on 09/11/2017 02:48 PM The most precious things are the simple things in life, always present in the simplest of minds. |
Zuzu (OP) User ID: 40189635 United States 09/11/2017 02:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There were many "Persians," as they prefer to be called and not Iranians, who came to the US during and after the fall of the Shah. All were from educated, Westernized families, spoke English, and had marketable skills. Most had gone to school in Western Europe or the US. Quoting: NotStarvingActress Previous immigrants understood our culture and values and wanted to adapt. Living in the US meant freedom from the threat of sudden arrest and execution due to the drastic change in political structure when there was a coup d'etat. The new regime instituted Shariah Law and the deletion of Western freedoms. Under Pres Obama thousands of unvetted immigrants were flown to the US in the middle of the night. Various charities and religious groups received $$$ for resettlement. They were not always placed near an existing group of immigrant Americans who spoke their language and understand their culture. Nor were they given acculturation lessons as was done previously. Thank you for your informative and educational post. I was only attempting to clarify where they originated from by using the descriptor Iranians. I agree that migrants of that time were for the most part well educated and possessed skills that helped them to adapt more readily to Western culture. I think a big key to this is that they did indeed understand that the US was freedom but that freedom was not simply given. They had to do their part and they were willing to do just that. I do believe that it helped greatly for them to know exactly what was expected of them with no room for misinterpretation. These new immigrants being as you said unvetted and lacking the ability to understand either the language or the culture have no idea as to what is expected of them. If there were changes made to remedy this I think that relations between the multiple communities would be improved greatly. Although the governments would need to be willing to stand behind and enforce the consequences prescribed for not living up to those expectations. Proud to share the basket with you. |
Zuzu (OP) User ID: 40189635 United States 09/11/2017 02:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There is stark difference between immigrants and invaders. Quoting: Wondering Mind Between an organization and a population. Some of another population come, some come and go, the organization remains. Organized is the difference and technology like the world wide internet, makes there here and here there. Connected and organized is not population it is an organization. I had to read that twice to be sure that I was fallowing what you were saying but I have it now and cannot disagree with your logic. What is happening in a number of locations, Germany comes to mind is nothing short of an invasion. An organization nearly indistinguishable from that of the originating countries has been installed and will not easily be dismantled. I fear that some wonderful places and beautiful cultures have been all but lost as the indigenous population become the minority. Proud to share the basket with you. |
Zuzu (OP) User ID: 40189635 United States 09/11/2017 03:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP the Question you should be asking is why are so much of the World's Populace on the move all at once. Once you find the answer all will be revealed and you will be Speechless. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 522561 This is a question that I have given thought to but the answers I come up with that seem supported by logic also border on what my logical mind considers ludicrous. I'd like to hear your thoughts as to the answer of this question. Proud to share the basket with you. |
beeches User ID: 74276477 United States 09/11/2017 03:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There were many "Persians," as they prefer to be called and not Iranians, who came to the US during and after the fall of the Shah. All were from educated, Westernized families, spoke English, and had marketable skills. Most had gone to school in Western Europe or the US. Quoting: NotStarvingActress Previous immigrants understood our culture and values and wanted to adapt. Living in the US meant freedom from the threat of sudden arrest and execution due to the drastic change in political structure when there was a coup d'etat. The new regime instituted Shariah Law and the deletion of Western freedoms. Under Pres Obama thousands of unvetted immigrants were flown to the US in the middle of the night. Various charities and religious groups received $$$ for resettlement. They were not always placed near an existing group of immigrant Americans who spoke their language and understand their culture. Nor were they given acculturation lessons as was done previously. I knew several who had gone to college, often for engineering, in the former West Germany. you are right. one did NOT consider himself a muslime - more a Zoroastrian. He said many were that way. They would drink alcohol and say "Allah is not here.." Last Edited by beeches on 09/11/2017 03:17 PM Liberalism is totalitarianism with a human face – Thomas Sowell |
Zuzu (OP) User ID: 40189635 United States 09/11/2017 04:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There were many "Persians," as they prefer to be called and not Iranians, who came to the US during and after the fall of the Shah. All were from educated, Westernized families, spoke English, and had marketable skills. Most had gone to school in Western Europe or the US. Quoting: NotStarvingActress Previous immigrants understood our culture and values and wanted to adapt. Living in the US meant freedom from the threat of sudden arrest and execution due to the drastic change in political structure when there was a coup d'etat. The new regime instituted Shariah Law and the deletion of Western freedoms. Under Pres Obama thousands of unvetted immigrants were flown to the US in the middle of the night. Various charities and religious groups received $$$ for resettlement. They were not always placed near an existing group of immigrant Americans who spoke their language and understand their culture. Nor were they given acculturation lessons as was done previously. I knew several who had gone to college, often for engineering, in the former West Germany. you are right. one did NOT consider himself a muslime - more a Zoroastrian. He said many were that way. They would drink alcohol and say "Allah is not here.." I'd never heard of Zoroastrianism before, had to look it up. There's my something new learned for the day. Proud to share the basket with you. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75333447 United States 09/11/2017 04:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There were many "Persians," as they prefer to be called and not Iranians, who came to the US during and after the fall of the Shah. All were from educated, Westernized families, spoke English, and had marketable skills. Most had gone to school in Western Europe or the US. Quoting: NotStarvingActress Previous immigrants understood our culture and values and wanted to adapt. Living in the US meant freedom from the threat of sudden arrest and execution due to the drastic change in political structure when there was a coup d'etat. The new regime instituted Shariah Law and the deletion of Western freedoms. Under Pres Obama thousands of unvetted immigrants were flown to the US in the middle of the night. Various charities and religious groups received $$$ for resettlement. They were not always placed near an existing group of immigrant Americans who spoke their language and understand their culture. Nor were they given acculturation lessons as was done previously. I knew several who had gone to college, often for engineering, in the former West Germany. you are right. one did NOT consider himself a muslime - more a Zoroastrian. He said many were that way. They would drink alcohol and say "Allah is not here.." I'd never heard of Zoroastrianism before, had to look it up. There's my something new learned for the day. There were many "Persians," as they prefer to be called and not Iranians, who came to the US during and after the fall of the Shah. All were from educated, Westernized families, spoke English, and had marketable skills. Most had gone to school in Western Europe or the US. Quoting: NotStarvingActress Previous immigrants understood our culture and values and wanted to adapt. Living in the US meant freedom from the threat of sudden arrest and execution due to the drastic change in political structure when there was a coup d'etat. The new regime instituted Shariah Law and the deletion of Western freedoms. Under Pres Obama thousands of unvetted immigrants were flown to the US in the middle of the night. Various charities and religious groups received $$$ for resettlement. They were not always placed near an existing group of immigrant Americans who spoke their language and understand their culture. Nor were they given acculturation lessons as was done previously. I knew several who had gone to college, often for engineering, in the former West Germany. you are right. one did NOT consider himself a muslime - more a Zoroastrian. He said many were that way. They would drink alcohol and say "Allah is not here.." I'd never heard of Zoroastrianism before, had to look it up. There's my something new learned for the day. recently I started looking into Islam, I can't call it truly independent religion, it is modified Christianity (Nestorianism) and Zoroastrianism (ancient monotheism which is also in foundation of Christianity and Judaism). |
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