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the reason to baton/split is if the outside of the deadwood is soaked, the inside might be dry.

I'm not sure on the need for an axe. Do you really need to cut down anything bigger than 4-5" in diameter for a survival shelter?

That's why I like the cheap tramontina machette... bend the 4-5" tree over, find the weak spot, baton the machette at that spot and the tree will snap. Beaver-chew the rest of the tree.

I'll amend my earlier post with the machette, knife, and saw... I really like Silky, but you can probably save $10 on a bahco saw and it'll work just as well.

An axe is way heavier than a tramontina. Keep in mind, this is for a newer user and an axe is more dangerous to the ignorant than a machette... and easier to use as a defensive tool.
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TOPS SURV-TAC 7 it is the ultimate survival blade but is 180.00
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damn, same goddamn knife in every way being sold 20 years later for fifty bucks more than i paid. I think I got it out of a knife magazine. wish i could remember.
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hiding and running are the only real survival skills you need. be meek, learn it.
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another comment..

a lot of survival folks will tell you that you need a knife to baton wood with... and you in effect need a knife to act like a sword.

you do not need to baton wood with a knife. A small axe can split wood well.

you will not normally be cutting large logs in the field so splitting wood is not that useful and expends too much energy better spent doing other things.

sometimes when desperate you may need to spit wood to get something that is dry but your axe would do that.

a decent fixed blade can be attached to a pole and used for various purposes.

I burn large logs at the ends and have used fire to cut logs even. Why waste energy cutting and splitting wood if you don't need to do so?
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i mean, but ya dont really need to do all that. you could just get used to the dark and cold.
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yes you are correct indeed.

if one was to truly evade capture then a fire is not in the works, certainly not a big one.

then the whole thing swings to shelter and an axe is even more useful.

try hacking down a tree with a big knife...

not very efficient.
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Respectfully, the advice to attach your blade to a stick is a horribly stupid idea.

Why not shave the end of a stick to a point and keep the knife on your belt?
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another comment..

a lot of survival folks will tell you that you need a knife to baton wood with... and you in effect need a knife to act like a sword.

you do not need to baton wood with a knife. A small axe can split wood well.

you will not normally be cutting large logs in the field so splitting wood is not that useful and expends too much energy better spent doing other things.

sometimes when desperate you may need to spit wood to get something that is dry but your axe would do that.

a decent fixed blade can be attached to a pole and used for various purposes.

I burn large logs at the ends and have used fire to cut logs even. Why waste energy cutting and splitting wood if you don't need to do so?
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i mean, but ya dont really need to do all that. you could just get used to the dark and cold.
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yes you are correct indeed.

if one was to truly evade capture then a fire is not in the works, certainly not a big one.

then the whole thing swings to shelter and an axe is even more useful.

try hacking down a tree with a big knife...

not very efficient.
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no, no it's not. My pet beaver Ignatius and his family cut all my wood for me.


hey does anyone know of a magazine that sold knives around year 2000 that was super well done? it was like the greatest sales magazine Ive ever seen. really high quality brand name knives for like 50% off. I am wondering if they went out of business...lol
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If all you want is just one knife to do the job I'd recommend the Knives of Alaska Bush Camp knife. American made, superior edge retention.




If you just need some tools to go camping get the Kephart trio, knife, axe, and saw. These are all solid choices.

$ 20 Bahco Laplander folding saw

$ 40 Estwing Camp axe

$ 40 Ontario Rat 1 in D2 (also a fine EDC)
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I thorought reccomend a combination,

get a Cold Steel Trench Fighter Tanto

and a standard buck knife where the blade face sticks out a bit, like a mini bouyie
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If all you want is just one knife to do the job I'd recommend the Knives of Alaska Bush Camp knife. American made, superior edge retention.




If you just need some tools to go camping get the Kephart trio, knife, axe, and saw. These are all solid choices.

$ 20 Bahco Laplander folding saw

$ 40 Estwing Camp axe

$ 40 Ontario Rat 1 in D2 (also a fine EDC)
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Isn't D2 way harder to maintain than other steels? Especially for a newbie?

Estwing Camp Axe is a very solid choice... solid, as in crazy heavy. I'd recommend a hatchett with a wood handle... less weight and even a newbie could figure out how to fashion some kind of handle in the woods if it breaks.
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the reason to baton/split is if the outside of the deadwood is soaked, the inside might be dry.

I'm not sure on the need for an axe. Do you really need to cut down anything bigger than 4-5" in diameter for a survival shelter?

That's why I like the cheap tramontina machette... bend the 4-5" tree over, find the weak spot, baton the machette at that spot and the tree will snap. Beaver-chew the rest of the tree.

I'll amend my earlier post with the machette, knife, and saw... I really like Silky, but you can probably save $10 on a bahco saw and it'll work just as well.

An axe is way heavier than a tramontina. Keep in mind, this is for a newer user and an axe is more dangerous to the ignorant than a machette... and easier to use as a defensive tool.
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yeah inner part would be dry indeed.

agreed, you do not normally need to cut down large wood.

a machette is for brush though or sugar cane or similar? is it going to cut down 6" stock efficiently? or even 5 or 4" either?

depends where you live, if I was in tropics I would have machette first of course, anywhere else no.

those folder saws are toys, I have them they are not worth it. but up to you. The blades are thin, teeth will dull fast, and the hinge can fail.

sorry I need to explain, I mean a hatchet. An axe is for big logs and not to carry into the field. You are correct an axe is dangerous and takes skill, concentration and even physical strength to wield properly.

I don't like metal handle or fibre glass due to weight and too much vibration when chopping.

something like this:

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Respectfully, the advice to attach your blade to a stick is a horribly stupid idea.

Why not shave the end of a stick to a point and keep the knife on your belt?
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yes, you can fire harden the wooden end and even rub the coals in there as well.

although with spears you would need several of them to down an animal but you would be more accurate and be faster throwing the wooden only ones.

you agree with me that much of the 'knife' business is bullshit I see..
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what sucks worse than having an axe head fly off it's handle?
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If all you want is just one knife to do the job I'd recommend the Knives of Alaska Bush Camp knife. American made, superior edge retention.




If you just need some tools to go camping get the Kephart trio, knife, axe, and saw. These are all solid choices.

$ 20 Bahco Laplander folding saw

$ 40 Estwing Camp axe

$ 40 Ontario Rat 1 in D2 (also a fine EDC)
 Quoting: Doom Junkie


Isn't D2 way harder to maintain than other steels? Especially for a newbie?

Estwing Camp Axe is a very solid choice... solid, as in crazy heavy. I'd recommend a hatchett with a wood handle... less weight and even a newbie could figure out how to fashion some kind of handle in the woods if it breaks.
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D2 has higher edge retention because it's a tool steel that's very abrasive resistant, so to sharpen it you'd need some DMT diamond files/stones then it wouldn't take any longer than any other knife. However D2 doesn't need to be sharpened that often if at all, stropping will bring your edge back to razor sharpness quite easily and prevent unnecessary wear on the blade from over sharpening. Really you only need to sharpen a knife when you fuck up the edge, and with a D2 knife that won't happen much. D2 is stupid tough.

DMT diafold. Get one.

As for stropping leather with compound works great, but even just your belt will do the trick nicely. I have on several occasions stropped with cardboard. As a rule, anything that will dull a knife will sharpen it.
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Smith Wesson SW2B
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Just get the morakniv bushcraft black carbon. Comes with a striker.


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Overrated piece of shit....don't care what anybody says.
Spend a little more for a quality knife. Buy once, cry once.
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Tops knives El Chete,also any Ka- bar BK unless any other good glp'r don't have where to fall dead.
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would also like to keep it under a hundred bucks.
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Ontario machete is a must.
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would also like to keep it under a hundred bucks.
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Buck 19 also.
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what sucks worse than having an axe head fly off it's handle?
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it happens rarely.

I guess if you chop an anvil it might happen.
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KABAR Becker BK7 - excellent reviews! Got one on the way/
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...

Estwing Camp Axe is a very solid choice... solid, as in crazy heavy. I'd recommend a hatchett with a wood handle... less weight and even a newbie could figure out how to fashion some kind of handle in the woods if it breaks.
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What I hear when somebody complains about the weight of a tool.




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what sucks worse than having an axe head fly off it's handle?
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it happens rarely.

I guess if you chop an anvil it might happen.
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As long as the handle does not break, its easy enough to put back on and secure again.
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I found a surplus knife that was originally made for Polish commandos.
Kinda like a smaller Kabar with a tanto like tip. Very very practical and was like $17 about 5 years ago. I bought a pile.
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Hit up your local Goodwill and find large heavy duty kitchen knives. A heavy duty butcher knife will be plenty for small wood tasks and wood splitting and batoning. A small carver. A medium to large knife for general purpose. If you want an all around good knife then a Mora can't be beat. You don't have to go expensive at all. Go to flea markets and trade shows to find the gems no one wants.
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the reason to baton/split is if the outside of the deadwood is soaked, the inside might be dry.

I'm not sure on the need for an axe. Do you really need to cut down anything bigger than 4-5" in diameter for a survival shelter?

That's why I like the cheap tramontina machette... bend the 4-5" tree over, find the weak spot, baton the machette at that spot and the tree will snap. Beaver-chew the rest of the tree.

I'll amend my earlier post with the machette, knife, and saw... I really like Silky, but you can probably save $10 on a bahco saw and it'll work just as well.

An axe is way heavier than a tramontina. Keep in mind, this is for a newer user and an axe is more dangerous to the ignorant than a machette... and easier to use as a defensive tool.
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the hatchet is also useful for breaking soil, trenching, and leveling foundations, plus it has a blunt side for striking wedges.
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1)A full tang, 4-5" blade, less than 3 oz. Like a buck woodsman

2)Leatherman multi-tool
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Go to a few RESALE SHOPS....

Buy several Good Kitchen Knives. Your looking for Full-Tang blades. Chicago Cutlery makes great products. You want paring knives, Chef's Knives and carver knives. Pay about $2ea.

Leave you enough money for a good sharpener set, like a diamond hone and a ceramic stick set. A nice Arkansa stone is also good.

Keep your eye open for a decent hatchet and single bladed axe. Pawnshops are also a source for good deals.

Restaurant Supply houses sell great quality knives too; just not as cheap. A hD meat cleaver is a great tool for chopping.

Cold Steel makes a great utility knife called The Bushman which is all steel with a hollow handle that can adapt for use as a spear. They are cheap; probably still under $20. I paid $12 for mine.

If you want to learn about bush use of the knife; look for Ron Hood's The Hoodlums forum and maybe some of his videos.


Don't forget when pawnshopping, always take cash and offer at least half of the asking price. Make sure they know you're paying with cash for the best deal.


$100 can get you a great edged setup if you use it wisely and don't mind buying used. Just don't forget to get a decent sharpening system. Cheap kitchen knives like Old Hickory are carbon steel and they are ewasiest to sharpen and maintain. Stick to USA, Euro, or Japanese made stuff and you will be fine.

Have FUN Knife-Hunting!
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hiding and running are the only real survival skills you need. be meek, learn it.
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IDK that it's that kind of "survival" discussion but I wouldn't call that living.
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another comment..

a lot of survival folks will tell you that you need a knife to baton wood with... and you in effect need a knife to act like a sword.

you do not need to baton wood with a knife. A small axe can split wood well.

you will not normally be cutting large logs in the field so splitting wood is not that useful and expends too much energy better spent doing other things.

sometimes when desperate you may need to spit wood to get something that is dry but your axe would do that.

a decent fixed blade can be attached to a pole and used for various purposes.

I burn large logs at the ends and have used fire to cut logs even. Why waste energy cutting and splitting wood if you don't need to do so?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75506137


i mean, but ya dont really need to do all that. you could just get used to the dark and cold.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75331506


yes you are correct indeed.

if one was to truly evade capture then a fire is not in the works, certainly not a big one.

then the whole thing swings to shelter and an axe is even more useful.

try hacking down a tree with a big knife...

not very efficient.
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no, no it's not. My pet beaver Ignatius and his family cut all my wood for me.


hey does anyone know of a magazine that sold knives around year 2000 that was super well done? it was like the greatest sales magazine Ive ever seen. really high quality brand name knives for like 50% off. I am wondering if they went out of business...lol
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Smoky Mountain Knifeworks, still in business.





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