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Pre-Trib Rapture Proved in One Paragraph. Ready?

 
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Matthew 24:36 - Olivet Discourse
Jesus is talking about the rapture here and he compares the rapture to Noah and his family going into the Ark. Which also means he is comparing the flood to the tribulation. Now ask yourself this question....If the Great Tribulation is supposed to be the absolute worst period in human history, like there has never been before according to Matthew 24:21, how is it that in Matthew 24:36 when Jesus is describing the rapture, He says that just prior to the rapture, people will be marrying and giving in marriage, otherwise saying it will be a calm period and life will be going about as usual?

Follow Up Paragraph:
Even though the information about the pre-trib rapture completely stares us in the face every time we open our bibles, there will still be people that refuse to see it and go on and on about this word or that word pointing to a post trib rapture or even no rapture at all. Whatever. I can't convince anyone of anything, but here's what I would ask you to do.

If you want to know the truth, ask the Holy Spirit. Ask for meekness and wisdom. Ask the Holy Spirit to show you what is true and it will be done.

If you ask for the Holy Spirit, you will receive it:
Luke 11:13
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Pin please and thank you
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I'm sure you mean well...I know I did when I believed in a Pre-Trib rapture. If you are open to correction watch this:

The History of the Pre Tribulation Rapture Doctrine from 1830 until now...
[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]


There is more to the story...check out this series and you can see the working of the enemy throughout history to lead people astray.

The Know Your Enemy Series by The Fuel Project
[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. - 1 Cor 1:18

Know God - Thread: The Terrifying Truth About God

Rethink Hell - [link to www.rethinkinghell.com]
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Pre-Trib rapture? Great. I am ready to go.

Post-Trib Rapture? Great. I get to hang out, do more work for the Lord,
and watch as much of the end of the world as I am allotted.

Either way, I trust in the Lord.

So bring it, whatever eschatological scenario it is.
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I'm sure you mean well...I know I did when I believed in a Pre-Trib rapture. If you are open to correction watch this:

The History of the Pre Tribulation Rapture Doctrine from 1830 until now...
[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]


There is more to the story...check out this series and you can see the working of the enemy throughout history to lead people astray.

The Know Your Enemy Series by The Fuel Project
[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

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Sorry, i don't get my spiritual direction from youtube.

Further, how am I being led astray by believing in the doctrine of imminence? Seems to me like believing that Christ could come for His church at any time would give people a hopefulness and joy that is otherwise not found in this world.

Additionally, Paul believed with all his heart that Christ's kingdom was going to return during his lifetime and look at how it motivated him to do all those good works for the Lord.

Honestly brother, you should let the Lord guide you instead of google....
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Pre-Trib rapture? Great. I am ready to go.

Post-Trib Rapture? Great. I get to hang out, do more work for the Lord,
and watch as much of the end of the world as I am allotted.

Either way, I trust in the Lord.

So bring it, whatever eschatological scenario it is.
 Quoting: Gelatinous Mass


I can dig it.

Honestly Christians get so hung up about when the rapture is going to happen, that they miss the biggest point of it all.....

There IS a rapture! The Lord sends Christ for His children to become co-heirs and live with the Lord God for all eternity. It's truly very amazing.
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I'm sure you mean well...I know I did when I believed in a Pre-Trib rapture. If you are open to correction watch this:

The History of the Pre Tribulation Rapture Doctrine from 1830 until now...
[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]


There is more to the story...check out this series and you can see the working of the enemy throughout history to lead people astray.

The Know Your Enemy Series by The Fuel Project
[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

 Quoting: [email protected]


Sorry, i don't get my spiritual direction from youtube.

Further, how am I being led astray by believing in the doctrine of imminence? Seems to me like believing that Christ could come for His church at any time would give people a hopefulness and joy that is otherwise not found in this world.

Additionally, Paul believed with all his heart that Christ's kingdom was going to return during his lifetime and look at how it motivated him to do all those good works for the Lord.

Honestly brother, you should let the Lord guide you instead of google....
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It's obvious you did not watch the videos. There are many people guided by Christ that put there works on youtube. You can believe what you want and remain ignorant contrary to evidence if you so choose, but you have no right to chastise others who seek the Truth!

Sure there are people who WANT to believe in a pre-trib Rapture and interpret certain versus in that way, but they are ignoring many other versus that prove the opposite.

At the end of the day none of it matters, just stay True to our Creator.
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Matthew 24:36 talks about the day and hour an event happens that is described from verse 29 onwards, which begins 'immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days...'

The flood was the wrath of God. The comparison is that, when the unsaved of earth see Jesus coming, they will mourn because the wrath of the lamb is now upon them. This is after the tribulation.

The bible specifically tells us to expect tribulation. Tribulation comes from Satan. It also tells us we are not appointed unto wrath. Wrath comes from God.
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Matthew 24:36 talks about the day and hour an event happens that is described from verse 29 onwards, which begins 'immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days...'

The flood was the wrath of God. The comparison is that, when the unsaved of earth see Jesus coming, they will mourn because the wrath of the lamb is now upon them. This is after the tribulation.

The bible specifically tells us to expect tribulation. Tribulation comes from Satan. It also tells us we are not appointed unto wrath. Wrath comes from God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33256242


And if the great tribulation is the Wrath of God that he promises his Church will not go through?

Rev. 6:17 says that by the time of the 6th Seal judgment Godís wrath has already begun, and Rev. 15:1 indicates that the bowl judgments will complete Godís wrath. The 7th bowl is poured out at the end of Rev. 16, before the 2nd Coming. And donít forget, the Great Tribulation is the last half of Danielís 70th Week and is the time during which the Bowl judgments are poured out. So you would be correct in saying that the Wrath of God covers just about all of Danielís 70th Week, whereas the Great Tribulation is just the last half.

If you do a word study on 1 Thes. 1:10, youíll see it promises that Jesus will rescue the Church from both the time and the place of Godís wrath in a manner that requires our prior departure. If so, the church has to be gone before the seal judgments begin, and sure enough you can see the Church in heaven in Rev. 5 singing the song of the redeemed. No other group can fit the description given in Rev. 5:9-10.

Iím convinced, by the way, that the Bible only teaches one rapture view, and the strictest literal interpretation reveals itís whatís known as the pre-tribulation rapture, but should more accurately be called the pre-70th Week rapture. All other views require their proponents to re-define grace, re-invent the church, and re-interpret the Scriptures to support their position.
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Matthew 24:36 - Olivet Discourse
Jesus is talking about the rapture here and he compares the rapture to Noah and his family going into the Ark. Which also means he is comparing the flood to the tribulation. Now ask yourself this question....If the Great Tribulation is supposed to be the absolute worst period in human history, like there has never been before according to Matthew 24:21, how is it that in Matthew 24:36 when Jesus is describing the rapture, He says that just prior to the rapture, people will be marrying and giving in marriage, otherwise saying it will be a calm period and life will be going about as usual?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71686906

The GT is the wor5st it gets. That means it is the 3rd woe that is associated with the last 3 trumps. The last woe is associated with the 7th trump and that ushers in the 7 vials from Re:16. The destruction that happens in 3 1/2 hours is worse than all the destruction that happened in the 3 1/2 years before that. The term 'days are shortened' applies to the length of time it takes for the vials to kill 2/3 of all people on the planet compared to 1/3 being killed in the longer period. The ones 'killed' end up in the grave still awake and that lasts until the Great White Throne event so that is also part of 'Great Tribulation' compared to 'normal' tribulation.

M't:24:29:
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened,
and the moon shall not give her light,
and the stars shall fall from heaven,
and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Re:16:1:
And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels,
Go your ways,
and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
Re:16:2:
And the first went,
and poured out his vial upon the earth;
and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast,
and upon them which worshipped his image.

Re:16:17-21:
And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air;
and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne,
saying,
It is done.
And there were voices,
and thunders,
and lightnings;
and there was a great earthquake,
such as was not since men were upon the earth,
so mighty an earthquake,
and so great.
And the great city was divided into three parts,
and the cities of the nations fell:
and great Babylon came in remembrance before God,
to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
And every island fled away,
and the mountains were not found.
And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven,
every stone about the weight of a talent:
and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

Follow Up Paragraph:
Even though the information about the pre-trib rapture completely stares us in the face every time we open our bibles, there will still be people that refuse to see it and go on and on about this word or that word pointing to a post trib rapture or even no rapture at all. Whatever. I can't convince anyone of anything, but here's what I would ask you to do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71686906

This verse is set for the time Satan is being sent to the fiery lake rather than being in chains in the PIT. The people are the ones that have been alive for the last 1,000 years and are Saints when Satan is released. This is how they get from an earth that is being 'perfected' and when they return they are inside New Jerusalem along with all the other children of Adam and Eve.
There is supposed to be a reward out there for coming up with the rapture verse.

Isa:51:6:
Lift up your eyes to the heavens,
and look upon the earth beneath:
for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke,
and the earth shall wax old like a garment,
and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner:
but my salvation shall be for ever,
and my righteousness shall not be abolished.

If you want to know the truth, ask the Holy Spirit. Ask for meekness and wisdom. Ask the Holy Spirit to show you what is true and it will be done.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71686906

Perhaps you should use an e-bible to find all the places that are messages from said Holy Spirit before claiming there is nothing to hear??

Isa:28:9:
Whom shall he teach knowledge?
and whom shall he make to understand doctrine?
them that are weaned from the milk,
and drawn from the breasts.

Milk is the NT text, meat is the OT text

If you ask for the Holy Spirit, you will receive it:
Luke 11:13
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How many other references are in the Bible??

Jas:3:13-18:
Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you?
let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts,
glory not,
and lie not against the truth.
This wisdom descendeth not from above,
but is earthly,
sensual,
devilish.
For where envying and strife is,
there is confusion and every evil work.
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure,
then peaceable,
gentle,
and easy to be intreated,
full of mercy and good fruits,
without partiality,
and without hypocrisy.
And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
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Don't let the antirapture tards get away with this "recent rapture" theory by Darby or whoever 100 years ago.

There are quotes of Polycarp and other 1st generation Christians talking about the blessed hope.

Google is your friend.
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Matthew 24:36 talks about the day and hour an event happens that is described from verse 29 onwards, which begins 'immediately AFTER the tribulation of those days...'

The flood was the wrath of God. The comparison is that, when the unsaved of earth see Jesus coming, they will mourn because the wrath of the lamb is now upon them. This is after the tribulation.

The bible specifically tells us to expect tribulation. Tribulation comes from Satan. It also tells us we are not appointed unto wrath. Wrath comes from God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 33256242


And if the great tribulation is the Wrath of God that he promises his Church will not go through?

Rev. 6:17 says that by the time of the 6th Seal judgment Godís wrath has already begun, and Rev. 15:1 indicates that the bowl judgments will complete Godís wrath. The 7th bowl is poured out at the end of Rev. 16, before the 2nd Coming. And donít forget, the Great Tribulation is the last half of Danielís 70th Week and is the time during which the Bowl judgments are poured out. So you would be correct in saying that the Wrath of God covers just about all of Danielís 70th Week, whereas the Great Tribulation is just the last half.

If you do a word study on 1 Thes. 1:10, youíll see it promises that Jesus will rescue the Church from both the time and the place of Godís wrath in a manner that requires our prior departure. If so, the church has to be gone before the seal judgments begin, and sure enough you can see the Church in heaven in Rev. 5 singing the song of the redeemed. No other group can fit the description given in Rev. 5:9-10.

Iím convinced, by the way, that the Bible only teaches one rapture view, and the strictest literal interpretation reveals itís whatís known as the pre-tribulation rapture, but should more accurately be called the pre-70th Week rapture. All other views require their proponents to re-define grace, re-invent the church, and re-interpret the Scriptures to support their position.
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Revelation 5:9-10 tells you who is singing. It's the 4 beasts and 24 elders.

1 thess 1:10 again only says we are kept from wrath. Nobody is arguing that point.

Matthew 24 (Jesus speaking) tells you that what you're claiming to be the pre Trib rapture won't take place until after the tribulation. I believe Jesus.

He also warns 4 times in that passage not to be deceived. To then try to read something into His words that isn't there, is being deceived.
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Matthew 24:36 - Olivet Discourse
Jesus is talking about the rapture here and he compares the rapture to Noah and his family going into the Ark. Which also means he is comparing the flood to the tribulation. Now ask yourself this question....If the Great Tribulation is supposed to be the absolute worst period in human history, like there has never been before according to Matthew 24:21, how is it that in Matthew 24:36 when Jesus is describing the rapture, He says that just prior to the rapture, people will be marrying and giving in marriage, otherwise saying it will be a calm period and life will be going about as usual?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71686906

The GT is the wor5st it gets. That means it is the 3rd woe that is associated with the last 3 trumps. The last woe is associated with the 7th trump and that ushers in the 7 vials from Re:16. The destruction that happens in 3 1/2 hours is worse than all the destruction that happened in the 3 1/2 years before that. The term 'days are shortened' applies to the length of time it takes for the vials to kill 2/3 of all people on the planet compared to 1/3 being killed in the longer period. The ones 'killed' end up in the grave still awake and that lasts until the Great White Throne event so that is also part of 'Great Tribulation' compared to 'normal' tribulation.

M't:24:29:
Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened,
and the moon shall not give her light,
and the stars shall fall from heaven,
and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

Re:16:1:
And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels,
Go your ways,
and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
Re:16:2:
And the first went,
and poured out his vial upon the earth;
and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast,
and upon them which worshipped his image.

Re:16:17-21:
And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air;
and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne,
saying,
It is done.
And there were voices,
and thunders,
and lightnings;
and there was a great earthquake,
such as was not since men were upon the earth,
so mighty an earthquake,
and so great.
And the great city was divided into three parts,
and the cities of the nations fell:
and great Babylon came in remembrance before God,
to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
And every island fled away,
and the mountains were not found.
And there fell upon men a great hail out of heaven,
every stone about the weight of a talent:
and men blasphemed God because of the plague of the hail; for the plague thereof was exceeding great.

Follow Up Paragraph:
Even though the information about the pre-trib rapture completely stares us in the face every time we open our bibles, there will still be people that refuse to see it and go on and on about this word or that word pointing to a post trib rapture or even no rapture at all. Whatever. I can't convince anyone of anything, but here's what I would ask you to do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71686906

This verse is set for the time Satan is being sent to the fiery lake rather than being in chains in the PIT. The people are the ones that have been alive for the last 1,000 years and are Saints when Satan is released. This is how they get from an earth that is being 'perfected' and when they return they are inside New Jerusalem along with all the other children of Adam and Eve.
There is supposed to be a reward out there for coming up with the rapture verse.

Isa:51:6:
Lift up your eyes to the heavens,
and look upon the earth beneath:
for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke,
and the earth shall wax old like a garment,
and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner:
but my salvation shall be for ever,
and my righteousness shall not be abolished.

If you want to know the truth, ask the Holy Spirit. Ask for meekness and wisdom. Ask the Holy Spirit to show you what is true and it will be done.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71686906

Perhaps you should use an e-bible to find all the places that are messages from said Holy Spirit before claiming there is nothing to hear??

Isa:28:9:
Whom shall he teach knowledge?
and whom shall he make to understand doctrine?
them that are weaned from the milk,
and drawn from the breasts.

Milk is the NT text, meat is the OT text

If you ask for the Holy Spirit, you will receive it:
Luke 11:13
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71686906

How many other references are in the Bible??

Jas:3:13-18:
Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you?
let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom.
But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts,
glory not,
and lie not against the truth.
This wisdom descendeth not from above,
but is earthly,
sensual,
devilish.
For where envying and strife is,
there is confusion and every evil work.
But the wisdom that is from above is first pure,
then peaceable,
gentle,
and easy to be intreated,
full of mercy and good fruits,
without partiality,
and without hypocrisy.
And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
 Quoting: Wayfaring Stranger


I'm sorry but this is the most incoherent counter argument I've ever read. It's almost like I'm arguing points for ABC, then it's your turn but instead of making points for DEF, you're arguing points for 1%G???

Honestly I apologize, but I literally don't understand where any of the verses you've reference have ANYTHING to do with what I stated in the original post....
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There is a RAPTURE WHEN CHRIST COMES....NOT BEFORE.

SEVEN VIALS
SEVEN SEALS
SEVEN TRUMPS

CHRIST COMES AT THE SEVENTH AND LAST TRUMP

1 Corinthians 15:52

In a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed.
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Pre-Trib rapture? Great. I am ready to go.

Post-Trib Rapture? Great. I get to hang out, do more work for the Lord,
and watch as much of the end of the world as I am allotted.

Either way, I trust in the Lord.

So bring it, whatever eschatological scenario it is.
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Some would say the ark is God protecting Christians through the storm (tribulation) before a post-trib rapture.

Jesus gave a better example with the end time being like the days of Lot when he was called out of Sodom and Gomorrah.
Lot did not stay during the destruction (tribulation) but was called out to leave before God's wrath was applied.
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The last part of Matthew chapter 24 describes Christ coming in the clouds and sending His angels to collect His saints.

This is different from Revelations view of Christ coming with His saints to fight the battle of Armageddon at the end of the tribulation.

The scene described in Matthew would better be placed at the beginning of the tribulation at the sixth seal when the world sees the Lamb and immediately after that a great multitude appears in heaven.

God's wrath does not begin until after all the seals have been opened and the scroll of His judgment can be read.
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Pre-Trib rapture? Great. I am ready to go.

Post-Trib Rapture? Great. I get to hang out, do more work for the Lord,
and watch as much of the end of the world as I am allotted.

Either way, I trust in the Lord.

So bring it, whatever eschatological scenario it is.
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right on.
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I'm sure you mean well...I know I did when I believed in a Pre-Trib rapture. If you are open to correction watch this:

The History of the Pre Tribulation Rapture Doctrine from 1830 until now...
[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]


There is more to the story...check out this series and you can see the working of the enemy throughout history to lead people astray.

The Know Your Enemy Series by The Fuel Project
[link to www.youtube.com (secure)]

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I have watched the entire "know Your Enemy" series a few years ago. Every Christian should watch it. And even if you are not. It's an eye opener. Well put together, well researched and well thought out.
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I'm sorry but this is the most incoherent counter argument I've ever read. It's almost like I'm arguing points for ABC, then it's your turn but instead of making points for DEF, you're arguing points for 1%G???

Honestly I apologize, but I literally don't understand where any of the verses you've reference have ANYTHING to do with what I stated in the original post....
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The single best rapture verse in the Bible.

Isa:51:6:
Lift up your eyes to the heavens,
and look upon the earth beneath:
for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke,
and the earth shall wax old like a garment,
and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner:
but my salvation shall be for ever,
and my righteousness shall not be abolished.