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Did you know that there is an ancient book that foretold events that are happening in our lifetimes right before our very eyes?

 
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Yes, Jesus told us that satan would establish apostate Isreal in the times of revelation. It would be controlled by Jews who claim they are Jews but are not jews., but from the sinagog of satan, or satan's 13th tribe. The antichrist at this time would be the King of mystery Babylon, America, and start ww3 using lies and deceit. Jesus told us that Israel would then be totally destroyed with not one stone remaining upon another.
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The Bible was not edited by anyone.

If you are talking about what books were included, that process was a lot more straightforward than you have been led to believe.

Paul's letters were already considered scripture in the mid 1st century:

2 Peter 3:14-16

14So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. 15Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Irenaeus, writing about 170, tells us that the 4 fold gospel was already a rock solid fact by then:

But it is not possible that the Gospels can be either more or fewer in number than they are. For since there are four zones of the world in which we live, and four principal winds, while the church has been scattered throughout the world, and since the "pillar and ground" of the church is the Gospel and the spirit of life, it is fitting that she should have four pillars, breathing incorruption on every side, and vivifying human afresh. From this fact, it is evident that the Logos, the fashioner [demiourgos] of all, he that sits on the cherubim and holds all things together, when he was manifested to humanity, gave us the gospel under four forms but bound together by one spirit. (Against Heresies 3.11.8)

The 4 gospels and Paul's letters......that is the bulk of the New Testament right there.

In addition, the fact of the four-fold gospel is also stated in the "Muratorian Fragment" which was written about the same time (around 170 A.D.) that Irenaeus was writing. The Muratorian Fragment lists for us basically the whole New Testament canon and it shows us once again that the four-fold gospel was an established fact by then.

We have approximately 50 manuscripts of the New Testament that PRE-DATE the Roman takeover of the established church in the 4th century, and we have piles and piles of New Testament quotations from the early church writers of the 2nd and 3rd centuries. We can be QUITE certain that the New Testament we have today has come down to us just as it was from the earliest days.

Yes, the Romans came in to the church in the 4th century and corrupted it and paganized the institutional church. There were many Christians who resisted this, and they were persecuted brutally. However, Christianity and the Bible were doing JUST FINE before Rome ever came on the scene.
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You're a fucking idiot. Didn't yourever hear of the Reformation of 777, when the Catholic Church rewrote the entire Essene Bible to make people slaves? They struck out "the apocrypha" the whole bible, and wrote in shit like women don't have souls so it doesn't matter if you kill them, anything about fealty, and obeying the governments, and left out anything about truespirit.

King James further fucked with it. He was a total pig that like to roll around int he blood of animals he'd killed, raped children and loved to execute people.

The King James version is absolute crap. The Catholic version is even more crap. When that kid found the actual Dead Sea Scrolls, the RCC admitted that lied and murdered based on lies. Oh well, just forgive us. Anything THEY do is supposed to be forgiven. Not you. That's why they cannot understand why people get pissed over thier child molest. They have done it since they started and refuse to change.
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And as for your "gospel of Thomas".....

First of all, it had NOTHING to do with the apostle Thomas.

Unlike the gospels, it was not written by an eyewitness or someone recording the testimony of eyewitnesses.

Secondly, it was EXTREMELY anti-woman.

Here is the gospel of Thomas on women:

114. Simon Peter said to them, "Make Mary leave us, for females do not deserve life." Jesus said, "Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven."

Okay, so the church was against this because it was too pro-woman?

LOL

Know your history!

The gospel of Thomas is a fraud, a lie, a heretical text that treats women like dirt.
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The gospel of Thomas is a fraud, a lie, a heretical text that treats women like dirt.
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I've never seen evidence of that in his Gospel.
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The Bible was not edited by anyone.

If you are talking about what books were included, that process was a lot more straightforward than you have been led to believe.

Paul's letters were already considered scripture in the mid 1st century:

2 Peter 3:14-16

14So then, dear friends, since you are looking forward to this, make every effort to be found spotless, blameless and at peace with him. 15Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.

Irenaeus, writing about 170, tells us that the 4 fold gospel was already a rock solid fact by then:

But it is not possible that the Gospels can be either more or fewer in number than they are. For since there are four zones of the world in which we live, and four principal winds, while the church has been scattered throughout the world, and since the "pillar and ground" of the church is the Gospel and the spirit of life, it is fitting that she should have four pillars, breathing incorruption on every side, and vivifying human afresh. From this fact, it is evident that the Logos, the fashioner [demiourgos] of all, he that sits on the cherubim and holds all things together, when he was manifested to humanity, gave us the gospel under four forms but bound together by one spirit. (Against Heresies 3.11.8)

The 4 gospels and Paul's letters......that is the bulk of the New Testament right there.

In addition, the fact of the four-fold gospel is also stated in the "Muratorian Fragment" which was written about the same time (around 170 A.D.) that Irenaeus was writing. The Muratorian Fragment lists for us basically the whole New Testament canon and it shows us once again that the four-fold gospel was an established fact by then.

We have approximately 50 manuscripts of the New Testament that PRE-DATE the Roman takeover of the established church in the 4th century, and we have piles and piles of New Testament quotations from the early church writers of the 2nd and 3rd centuries. We can be QUITE certain that the New Testament we have today has come down to us just as it was from the earliest days.

Yes, the Romans came in to the church in the 4th century and corrupted it and paganized the institutional church. There were many Christians who resisted this, and they were persecuted brutally. However, Christianity and the Bible were doing JUST FINE before Rome ever came on the scene.




You're a fucking idiot. Didn't yourever hear of the Reformation of 777, when the Catholic Church rewrote the entire Essene Bible to make people slaves? They struck out "the apocrypha" the whole bible, and wrote in shit like women don't have souls so it doesn't matter if you kill them, anything about fealty, and obeying the governments, and left out anything about truespirit.

King James further fucked with it. He was a total pig that like to roll around int he blood of animals he'd killed, raped children and loved to execute people.

The King James version is absolute crap. The Catholic version is even more crap. When that kid found the actual Dead Sea Scrolls, the RCC admitted that lied and murdered based on lies. Oh well, just forgive us. Anything THEY do is supposed to be forgiven. Not you. That's why they cannot understand why people get pissed over thier child molest. They have done it since they started and refuse to change.
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No, you are the one who is mistaken.

I have been one of the most anti-Roman Catholic posters on this site.

I agree with you that the Roman religion is evil.

Here is a great resource on that:

[link to www.chick.com]

What the Roman religion did to the scriptures does not matter.

What matters is what the early church did.

And we know what they considered scripture to be.

So you and I both can fight against the Roman religion.

But DO NOT let their evil keep you from finding the real truth.
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The gospel of Thomas is a fraud, a lie, a heretical text that treats women like dirt.


I've never seen evidence of that in his Gospel.
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Can you not read?

Look at the post just above you.

Right from the gospel of Thomas.

Here it is in black and white:

114. Simon Peter said to them, "Make Mary leave us, for females do not deserve life." Jesus said, "Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven."
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"The Council of Nicaea was convened, in 325 AD. This was where all the free-floating documents related to Jesus' ministry were gathered up by Emperor Constantine of Rome and compiled into the New Testament. There were many deletions, omissions and rewrites. Many gospels were completely left out, including the Gospel of Thomas and the Gospel of Mary Magdalene.




Wrong!

The Council of Nicaea had NOTHING to do with the development of the New Testament. It was not even on the agenda. Even Wikipedia knows that:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

What you have here is someone who is quoting someone who is parroting the Davinci Code nonsense. Dan Brown is NOT an authority on this stuff. He admitted on the stand that his wife did the research for the book. Dan Brown is about as much an authority on these things as Britney Spears is.

We already HAD the New Testament by then. PLEASE read my post about this above.

When you post this stuff it makes you sound as ignorant as someone saying that John F. Kennedy fought in the Civil War.

Know your history!



You had better dig a little deeper into your history. Things are not as you think they are. This has nothing to do with the Davinci code that so many are afraid of. I didn't even read it.

Contantine had his new Christians go out and burn the library at Alexandria so the other works of Christ and his followers would be destroyed. Interesting isn't it, that they would only include four books about Christ which are almost the same. These other works have re-surfaced despite their attempt to keep them away from the people.

You will not find God in the Bible or any religion. Do as Jesus said, find God within yourself. Do as Jesus said, do not listen to organized religions. Do as Jesus said, become like him. Do as Jesus said, "you can do all the things I do and even greater things you will do".

The true God is a God of love, not war! God does not cause all these evil things to happen, that is man. Just like man wrote the Bible to keep people brainwashed and ignorant.
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LIES, LIES, LIES, CHRISTIANS GOES OUT TO BURN THE ALEXANDRIA LIBRARY! YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW THE TRUTH! YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THE ROMANS NOR THE ARAB$ BURNED THE ALEXANDRIA LIBRARY THAT SET YOU ALL BACK 2000 YEARS!!!!!!
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And as for your "gospel of Thomas".....

First of all, it had NOTHING to do with the apostle Thomas.

Unlike the gospels, it was not written by an eyewitness or someone recording the testimony of eyewitnesses.

Secondly, it was EXTREMELY anti-woman.

Here is the gospel of Thomas on women:

114. Simon Peter said to them, "Make Mary leave us, for females do not deserve life." Jesus said, "Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven."

Okay, so the church was against this because it was too pro-woman?

LOL

Know your history!

The gospel of Thomas is a fraud, a lie, a heretical text that treats women like dirt.
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What you've quoted suggests Jesus considered woman and man to have the same spiritual potential.
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And as for your "gospel of Thomas".....

First of all, it had NOTHING to do with the apostle Thomas.

Unlike the gospels, it was not written by an eyewitness or someone recording the testimony of eyewitnesses.

Secondly, it was EXTREMELY anti-woman.

Here is the gospel of Thomas on women:

114. Simon Peter said to them, "Make Mary leave us, for females do not deserve life." Jesus said, "Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven."

Okay, so the church was against this because it was too pro-woman?

LOL

Know your history!

The gospel of Thomas is a fraud, a lie, a heretical text that treats women like dirt.



What you've quoted suggests Jesus considered woman and man to have the same spiritual potential.
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LOL

But only if they become male.......

LOL

I don't know how you can defend the gospel of Thomas with a straight face.
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you see they know

you see they ignore ?
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I SEE, I KNOW
I SEE, I DON'T IGNORE!
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And as for your "gospel of Thomas".....

First of all, it had NOTHING to do with the apostle Thomas.

Unlike the gospels, it was not written by an eyewitness or someone recording the testimony of eyewitnesses.

Secondly, it was EXTREMELY anti-woman.

Here is the gospel of Thomas on women:

114. Simon Peter said to them, "Make Mary leave us, for females do not deserve life." Jesus said, "Look, I will guide her to make her male, so that she too may become a living spirit resembling you males. For every female who makes herself male will enter the kingdom of Heaven."

Okay, so the church was against this because it was too pro-woman?

LOL

Know your history!

The gospel of Thomas is a fraud, a lie, a heretical text that treats women like dirt.



What you've quoted suggests Jesus considered woman and man to have the same spiritual potential.



LOL

But only if they become male.......

LOL

I don't know how you can defend the gospel of Thomas with a straight face.
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OK

Males, at that time = being closer to God. That is a given.

The way I interpret it, Jesus was suggesting that females should consider themselves closer to God than what society at the time deemed possible/allowable (ie make herself "male").
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Yeah, and the people that wrote the Bible are the same people that are still controlling earth. It's all the same old shit, different day.
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Yes, Jesus told us that satan would establish apostate Isreal in the times of revelation. It would be controlled by Jews who claim they are Jews but are not jews., but from the sinagog of satan, or satan's 13th tribe. The antichrist at this time would be the King of mystery Babylon, America, and start ww3 using lies and deceit. Jesus told us that Israel would then be totally destroyed with not one stone remaining upon another.


Can I get a link to this I must have missed it
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Synagogue of Satan... synagogue is a Greek word, meaning "house of study". Satan (Hebrew shatan) means "adversary" and is the accuser of Israel; this is a real, fallen messenger opposed to YHWH, and is ruling the entire Earth in all religious, political, and mercantile areas. Putting it together, the synagogue of Satan would be any "house of study" which teaches lawlessness or revised commandments. If we can prove that there is a difference between what is written in YHWH's Word (His Commandments) and what is practiced within a group that claims to worship YHWH, then we have identified a synagogue of Satan. "Jews" is the word seen in translation at Rev. 2:9, from the Hebrew word "Yahudim", and means "worshippers of Yah". Claiming to worship Yah, but not teaching and practicing His Commandments, shows us who is of this synagogue of Satan.
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The Illuminati has controlled religion since it began. It was the Illuminati who created the new Christianity and added what books they wanted in it, edited, re-wrote, took parts out, added parts to it. So OF COURSE they are trying to make their prophecies come true!
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MAN IS NOT TO ADD OR TO TAKE AWAY FROM THE SCRIPTURES

THE FIRST PART
"Ye shall not add unto the word which
I command you, neither shall ye diminish
ought from it, that ye may keep the com-
mandments of the Lord your God which
I command you." Deut. 4 : 2.

THE MIDDLE PART
PROV.30 : 5, 6.

THE LAST PART
Rev. 22 : 18, 19; John 10 : 35;
Isa. 55 :11; Jer. 23 :28; Isa. 40 : 7, 8.
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"The Council of Nicaea was convened, in 325 AD. This was where all the free-floating documents related to Jesus' ministry were gathered up by Emperor Constantine of Rome and compiled into the New Testament. There were many deletions, omissions and rewrites. Many gospels were completely left out, including the Gospel of Thomas and the Gospel of Mary Magdalene.




Wrong!

The Council of Nicaea had NOTHING to do with the development of the New Testament. It was not even on the agenda. Even Wikipedia knows that:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

What you have here is someone who is quoting someone who is parroting the Davinci Code nonsense. Dan Brown is NOT an authority on this stuff. He admitted on the stand that his wife did the research for the book. Dan Brown is about as much an authority on these things as Britney Spears is.

We already HAD the New Testament by then. PLEASE read my post about this above.

When you post this stuff it makes you sound as ignorant as someone saying that John F. Kennedy fought in the Civil War.

Know your history!
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EN.WIKIPEDIA IS ALTERED, BY MANY, IT'S NOT ACCURATE!
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"The Council of Nicaea was convened, in 325 AD. This was where all the free-floating documents related to Jesus' ministry were gathered up by Emperor Constantine of Rome and compiled into the New Testament. There were many deletions, omissions and rewrites. Many gospels were completely left out, including the Gospel of Thomas and the Gospel of Mary Magdalene.




Wrong!

The Council of Nicaea had NOTHING to do with the development of the New Testament. It was not even on the agenda. Even Wikipedia knows that:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

What you have here is someone who is quoting someone who is parroting the Davinci Code nonsense. Dan Brown is NOT an authority on this stuff. He admitted on the stand that his wife did the research for the book. Dan Brown is about as much an authority on these things as Britney Spears is.

We already HAD the New Testament by then. PLEASE read my post about this above.

When you post this stuff it makes you sound as ignorant as someone saying that John F. Kennedy fought in the Civil War.

Know your history!
EN.WIKIPEDIA IS ALTERED, BY MANY, IT'S NOT ACCURATE!
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EN.WIKIPEDIA CAN BE ADDED OR DELETED INFO. ALTERED!!!!!!!
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who are the editors?

exactly

how

do they know?
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"For the prophecyy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." 2 Pet. 1 : 21.

"But shun PROFANE and VAIN BABBLINGS: for they will INCREASE
unto more UNGODLINESS." 2 Tim. 2 : 16.
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Yes, Jesus told us that satan would establish apostate Isreal in the times of revelation. It would be controlled by Jews who claim they are Jews but are not jews., but from the sinagog of satan, or satan's 13th tribe. The antichrist at this time would be the King of mystery Babylon, America, and start ww3 using lies and deceit. Jesus told us that Israel would then be totally destroyed with not one stone remaining upon another.


Can I get a link to this I must have missed it



Synagogue of Satan... synagogue is a Greek word, meaning "house of study". Satan (Hebrew shatan) means "adversary" and is the accuser of Israel; this is a real, fallen messenger opposed to YHWH, and is ruling the entire Earth in all religious, political, and mercantile areas. Putting it together, the synagogue of Satan would be any "house of study" which teaches lawlessness or revised commandments. If we can prove that there is a difference between what is written in YHWH's Word (His Commandments) and what is practiced within a group that claims to worship YHWH, then we have identified a synagogue of Satan. "Jews" is the word seen in translation at Rev. 2:9, from the Hebrew word "Yahudim", and means "worshippers of Yah". Claiming to worship Yah, but not teaching and practicing His Commandments, shows us who is of this synagogue of Satan.
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The commandments of Moses are NOT the commandments of Jesus.

Yahweh is NOT the Father of Jesus.

The commandments of Jesus is Jesus' Word.
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The commandments of Moses are NOT the commandments of Jesus.

Yahweh is NOT the Father of Jesus.

The commandments of Jesus is Jesus' Word.
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You know, Jesus seemed to have a very HIGH regard for the Old Testament:

Matthew 5:17

17"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."

In fact, Jesus saw himself as fulfilling what the prophets had to say about him in the Old Testament:

Matthew 26:52-54

52"Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. 53Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels? 54But how then would the Scriptures be fulfilled that say it must happen in this way?"

Honestly I don't know where some people get all this stuff.
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Moses saw Yahweh's face:

"They (Moses & company) saw God, and did eat and drink." (Exodus 24:9-11)

"And the LORD spake unto Moses FACE TO FACE [my emphasis], as a man
speaketh unto his friend." (Exodus 33:11)

"And there arose not a prophet since in Israel like unto Moses,
whome the LORD knew FACE TO FACE [my emphasis]." (Deut. 34:10)

"With him will I speak MOUTH TO MOUTH, even apparently, and not
in dark speeches; and the similitude ("likeness") of the LORD
shall he behold." (Num. 12:8)

None of this means, of course, that Moses was not ALSO privileged to
see the divine "back parts" ('AHOREHEM) of "God". (Exodus 33:23)

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Jesus REPEATEDLY stated no man hath seen His Father's face.

John 14:8-9

Philip wanted to see God with his own eyes, but this is impossible since no one can ever do ever do that. The Bible says:


"No man hath seen God at any time,"

John 1:18


"No man hath seen God at any time,"

1 John 4:12


"And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape."

John 5:37


But they were listening to Jesus' voice and looking at him standing before them! Jesus was simply simply telling us that his own actions and miracles should be a sufficient proof of the existence of God without God having to physically come down and let himself be seen every time someone is doubtful. This is equivalent to for example:



1)John 8:19: "Then said they unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye neither know me, nor my Father: if ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also."

2)John 12:44 "Jesus cried and said, He that believeth on me, believeth not on me, but on him that sent me."

3)John 15:23 "He that hateth me hateth my Father also."
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I think you already answered your own question, but just for fun I will quote Exodus 33:21-23:

21 Then the LORD said, "There is a place near me where you may stand on a rock. 22 When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with my hand until I have passed by. 23 Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen."

And I fear we are in serious danger of thread drift.

Getting back more to the point, if the God of the Old Testament was not the Father of Jesus, then why does the Old Testament contain prophecies about Jesus all over the place?

Please see:

Isaiah 53
Psalm 22
Daniel 9:24-27
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I think you already answered your own question, but just for fun I will quote Exodus 33:21-23:

21 Then the LORD said, "There is a place near me where you may stand on a rock. 22 When my glory passes by, I will put you in a cleft in the rock and cover you with my hand until I have passed by. 23 Then I will remove my hand and you will see my back; but my face must not be seen."

And I fear we are in serious danger of thread drift.

Getting back more to the point, if the God of the Old Testament was not the Father of Jesus, then why does the Old Testament contain prophecies about Jesus all over the place?

Please see:

Isaiah 53
Psalm 22
Daniel 9:24-27
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I've already established beyond doubt that Yahweh and the Father are different entities.

Jesus told "those Jews who believed in Him . . . You are of your father the devil, and lust for what is forbidden. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him . . . as he is a liar and the father of lies" (John 8:31-44).
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Re: Did you know that there is an ancient book that foretold events that are happening in our lifetimes right before our very eyes?
Yeah, and the people that wrote the Bible are the same people that are still controlling earth. It's all the same old shit, different day.



Care to back up your statements?

The New Testament was written by eyewitnesses of Christ or by those who were recording the testimony of eyewitnesses.

Those controlling the earth today are mostly Luciferians when you get right down to it.

Are you going to follow TPTB and their Luciferian agenda, or are you going to be part of the Revolution and follow Christ?
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Actually the bible may well have been written by witnesses of Christ on Earth. however the council of nicea, they are the ones who had the say what did and didt get used in the bible. you see the new world order, and the world order are a group of illuminatists whom have passed the Torch from generation to generation. Do you truly beleive that the statue of liberty is there to evoke visions of your freedom. No its there for those whom have ears to hear and eyes to see, that its a symbol that the country is run by the illuminati. signs and symbols. ever noticed how any news team is backed by symbolic statues and memorials, those places are carefully chosen. There is always a symbol behind the newsreaders. FACT
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Re: Did you know that there is an ancient book that foretold events that are happening in our lifetimes right before our very eyes?
Yes I am aware of this book of lies that scares the people into submission.
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Re: Did you know that there is an ancient book that foretold events that are happening in our lifetimes right before our very eyes?
its not prophecy its a script
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Re: Did you know that there is an ancient book that foretold events that are happening in our lifetimes right before our very eyes?
Those controlling the earth today are mostly Luciferians

Are you going to follow TPTB and their Luciferian agenda, or are you going to be part of the Revolution and follow Christ?the bible may well have been written by witnesses of Christ on Earth. however the council of nicea, they are the ones who had the say what did and didt get used in the bible. you see the new world order, and the world order are a group of illuminatists whom have passed the Torch from generation to generation. Do you truly beleive that the statue of liberty is there to evoke visions of your freedom. No its there for those whom have ears to hear and eyes to see, that its a symbol that the country is run by the illuminati. signs and symbols. ever noticed how any news team is backed by symbolic statues and memorials, those places are carefully chosen. There is always a symbol behind the newsreaders. FACT
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"... mostly Luciferians"

What does Luciferian mean exactly (Lucifer means = most beautiful one...Satan means = against God)


"...ever noticed how any news team is backed by symbolic statues and memorials, those places are carefully chosen. There is always a symbol behind the newsreaders...."

could you explain this a little? ..Do you mean News by media? Journalists?
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Those controlling the earth today are mostly Luciferians

Are you going to follow TPTB and their Luciferian agenda, or are you going to be part of the Revolution and follow Christ?the bible may well have been written by witnesses of Christ on Earth. however the council of nicea, they are the ones who had the say what did and didt get used in the bible. you see the new world order, and the world order are a group of illuminatists whom have passed the Torch from generation to generation. Do you truly beleive that the statue of liberty is there to evoke visions of your freedom. No its there for those whom have ears to hear and eyes to see, that its a symbol that the country is run by the illuminati. signs and symbols. ever noticed how any news team is backed by symbolic statues and memorials, those places are carefully chosen. There is always a symbol behind the newsreaders. FACT




"... mostly Luciferians"

What does Luciferian mean exactly (Lucifer means = most beautiful one...Satan means = against God)


"...ever noticed how any news team is backed by symbolic statues and memorials, those places are carefully chosen. There is always a symbol behind the newsreaders...."

could you explain this a little? ..Do you mean News by media? Journalists?
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oops, forgot to put my name..


I posted the above. cheers
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Jesus was from Saturn and was one of the last to leave the doomed planet. He was sent with a message from the survicing bloodline. which went back to Noah. the davidian bloodline is saturn/satan oh yes it cannot be denied.

And the Monarchial bloodline of the martian race was. written into the enumah elish or gilgamesh tale. Simply put we have three breeds on the planet. MARTIAN/Saturnian/And Earthling.

Earthlings are the product of The sons of god taking wives on earth.
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Jesus was from Saturn and was one of the last to leave the doomed planet. He was sent with a message from the survicing bloodline. which went back to Noah. the davidian bloodline is saturn/satan oh yes it cannot be denied.

And the Monarchial bloodline of the martian race was. written into the enumah elish or gilgamesh tale. Simply put we have three breeds on the planet. MARTIAN/Saturnian/And Earthling.

Earthlings are the product of The sons of god taking wives on earth.
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