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US officials have ruled out a deal to exchange 15 Royal Navy personnel captured in the Gulf for five Iranians seized by American forces in Iraq.

State department spokesman Sean McCormack rejected suggestions that a swap could be made.

The five, believed to be members of Iran's Revolutionary Guard, were seized in January in the Iraqi city of Irbil.

Britain denies Iran's claims that the UK crew was in its waters when seized on 23 March.

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good morning shadow, i was wondering about that last night, although we have far more than five when you include the defectors, but it is kind of ironic that they would ask the usa to exchange for british captive, although we are a "coalition" or so i have been told

over, and over

with the third carrier group heading that way, i think time is running out for negotiations, i also find it ironic though, that geographically speaking, there really is not much room for us to maneuver there, with out fear of collision,, just wait till the bombs start flying, i think this could be like shooting fish in a barrel, for the iranians, not the usa

just a hunch
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That sort of trade, isnt even on the agenda. They are two completely different incidents. Lets not forget that as far as Iran anad the UK are concerned this is a detaining and not a hostage situation. THe MSM is parading this as a hostage situation when indeed it isnt
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good morning shadow, i was wondering about that last night, although we have far more than five when you include the defectors, but it is kind of ironic that they would ask the usa to exchange for british captive, although we are a "coalition" or so i have been told

over, and over

with the third carrier group heading that way, i think time is running out for negotiations, i also find it ironic though, that geographically speaking, there really is not much room for us to maneuver there, with out fear of collision,, just wait till the bombs start flying, i think this could be like shooting fish in a barrel, for the iranians, not the usa

just a hunch
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03/31/2007 08:21 AM
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THe MSM is parading this as a hostage situation when indeed it isnt
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It is very scary how people are falling for this propaganda, isn't it? The totally inaccurate word 'hostage' is brainwashing the sheeple into viewing a peaceful, legitimate, sovereign nation as a 'terrorist organization' instead.
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YUp and fed the line by msnbc and Faux news, even the freakin bbc are using the word HOSTAGE,

Your not a hostage in a peacetime situation. your a detainee, thats why theyre being treated nice.
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thanks for the map Dervish, sink a couple of oil tankers at the narrowest point and things are going to get dicey

coupled with the sunburn missle system, which we have no defense of , in that tight of quarters,, ala,,9/11 part 2
"By way of deception, thou shalt do war."

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Its really heating up as the dots are beginning to connect

1. japan launches its protection system for tokyo 1 year early, the defence system is active, just in case said the government of JAPAN

2. Saudi King denounces the Iraq war... hmmm!!! distancing himself from the coming warzone I mean look at the map they are smack bang centre of holy hell

3. Brits are making more of sailors beign detained than they should. US backing UK.

4. Europe eerily quiet

5. Russia supports Iran and says US must resolve peacefully

6. China agrees with Russia

7. NK are still suspected of renaging on a nuclear deal

Its all coming together as a war scenario
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thanks for the map Dervish, sink a couple of oil tankers at the narrowest point and things are going to get dicey

coupled with the sunburn missle system, which we have no defense of , in that tight of quarters,, ala,,9/11 part 2
 Quoting: malu


When you take out areas controlled by the UAE and other states that might not allow us to position ships,it does get a little tighter. Oman controls the south end of the choke point,and you can bet that we will have assets there.

The Gulf is still very big, I wouldn't call it fighting in a closet. But they ability to manuver will be limited. Thats why I think the third CSG will remain in the Indian Ocean side. Also, you don't want all your eggs in one small basket if they somehow do block off the straights. Keeping the USN penned up in the Gulf would be a pretty good tactic if it was used with other events in the far east.
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So if the Nimitz were attacked prior to reaching the war zone
what then
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thanks for the map Dervish, sink a couple of oil tankers at the narrowest point and things are going to get dicey

coupled with the sunburn missle system, which we have no defense of , in that tight of quarters,, ala,,9/11 part 2


When you take out areas controlled by the UAE and other states that might not allow us to position ships,it does get a little tighter. Oman controls the south end of the choke point,and you can bet that we will have assets there.

The Gulf is still very big, I wouldn't call it fighting in a closet. But they ability to manuver will be limited. Thats why I think the third CSG will remain in the Indian Ocean side. Also, you don't want all your eggs in one small basket if they somehow do block off the straights. Keeping the USN penned up in the Gulf would be a pretty good tactic if it was used with other events in the far east.
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i was reading yesterday, that the us is very nervous about wargames for fear of colliding their jets with iran's , that is how tight the airspace is

admirals have got to be going mad, with that much force in such a contained area,, this is by design, i feel sorry for the sailors who are going to be sacraficed
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So if the Nimitz were attacked prior to reaching the war zone
what then
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Thats an act of war. How many countries do you think could do that with any chance of success?
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muscle flexing like this will inevitably cause an accident. perhaps the Goal of it, they can then use it as a false flag to declare war
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So if the Nimitz were attacked prior to reaching the war zone
what then



Thats an act of war. How many countries do you think could do that with any chance of success?
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Not if were considered an accident. there was a guy here yesterday ISA or something. The nimitz has left for the area to relieve another ship they say, perhaps it might relieve perhaps its going to back up the ones already there. its tighter than hells kitchen as it is.

Three aircraft carriers is approx 15000 people
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Have the Iranians been charged with anything yet?
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Have the Iranians been charged with anything yet?
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Good thinking i think charging them could light a fuse, jeez its really that easy HUH!
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@Dervish

>>>>>>>Oman controls the south end of the choke point,and you can bet that we will have assets there.<<<<<<<<

NOT!!!

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For close to a month now, certain pockets of the U.S. intelligence and military communities have been deeply focused on a few key developments in the Iranian front of the War on Terror. When Iran declared war on America a few years ago ( without a suicidal public announcement of course ) the entirety of the burden of execution fell on the shoulders of its Revolutionary Guards. No other military units in Iran are competent enough for any type of engagement with Western forces.

The Guards were to do what they always do. Operate in the shadows, provide weapons, munitions, training, cash, personnel and other sundry types of support to a proxy army in Iraq. This proxy army would wage Iranís war with enough distance to allow for Iran to avoid an open conflict with superior American forces, essentially by providing it plausible deniability to the charge that it was waging war against America in the first place. S.O.P. - same deal as in Lebanon where Hezbollah fronts Iranís war on Israel. In the modern age, it is critical to enemies such as Iran that they never openly declare war on us, or we shall clearly have the right to annihilate them as we can. Plus it provides a critical weapon in their campaign to prevent American popular support for any U.S. military action against them. By never openly declaring war, they fool the American people into believing that they are indeed not waging war on us, so that when a President should call for military action against them, Iran is in the position to, and indeed does, say: ďWho us? We ainít doing shit. Your Presidentís a warmonger.Ē With the sounds of their IEDs and RPGs exploding in the background.

One of the key developments that has absorbed Washingtonís attention deeply, and resulted in the very significant personal involvement of Vice President Dick Cheney, was the fact that the Iranian Revolutionary Guards have invaded and seized almost all meaningful control of the strategic Masandam Peninsula in Oman - a peninsula that covers the Southern mouth of the Straight of Hormuz. Occupying this peninsula solidifies Iranís complete control of the straight. The Northern chokepoint has long been Iranís; the Southern chokepoint has long been Omanís. They are now both Iranís. The Revolutionary Guard also decided to make this area their own, because it makes for a smugglerís paradise. And smuggling is one of their #1 jobs. A priority for the Guard is to engage in as much profitable illegal activity, on a global scale, as they can, in order to pay for their very existence, and help bankroll the countryís nuclear program. And, long anticipating the oncoming sanctions, the Guard has kept an eye on various ways to keep goods flowing into the country. Their new stronghold in Oman, with such control over the Straights, provides for just that.

And Oman, terrified of the direct confrontation with Iran that our military has planned and suggested, has decided to do nothing.

Cheney visited Oman on Feb. 26, and discussed these plans for joint Omani and U.S. forces to lay seige and slowly eject the Iranians from Masandam. The Omanis ultimately got cold feet. And Tehran remains in positon to use the peninsula to threaten tankers, American supplies and reinforcements, and even American troops as they leave.
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@Dervish

>>>>>>>Oman controls the south end of the choke point,and you can bet that we will have assets there.<<<<<<<<

NOT!!!

Want to bet.
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Seems the US is rejecting an offer that the Iranians never made? The US can't ever let them (the Iranians the Americans hold)be released, think of the true things they would say about their time in custody. Who's fighting for their release (the Iranians the Americans hold)?

There was an attempt at diplomacy when they were first taken, the US rejected any and all solutions. Iran then dropped the issue. When is the UK going to shut-up and quietly wait for them to be released when Iran wants to release them. That's exactly what Iran has to do concerning their members.

Iran already stated way back when they were first taken that they were not a bargaining chip, how fucking slow is the US to not pick up on that point?
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thanks for the map Dervish, sink a couple of oil tankers at the narrowest point and things are going to get dicey

coupled with the sunburn missle system, which we have no defense of , in that tight of quarters,, ala,,9/11 part 2
 Quoting: malu



Really malu?

Do not think for one minute the Iranians are the Japanese of WW2, Pearl Harbour, Iran will get a kicking.

But at what cost?
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thanks for the map Dervish, sink a couple of oil tankers at the narrowest point and things are going to get dicey

coupled with the sunburn missle system, which we have no defense of , in that tight of quarters,, ala,,9/11 part 2



Really malu?

Do not think for one minute the Iranians are the Japanese of WW2, Pearl Harbour, Iran will get a kicking.

But at what cost?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 217002



yes really

all of our defenses that i am aware to defeat the sunburn system require "over the horizon" distance, the phalanx for one is worthless against it, and that is the fastest system in this tight of quarters

imho, two aircraft carrier groups and a lot of soldiers in iraq, yes iraq, are about to be sacraficed to further their agenda
"By way of deception, thou shalt do war."

Israel's Mossad

"The truth shall set you free."

U.S. Central Intelligence Agency Motto





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