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The Iraq War, Iran , and Sunni/Shia situation....The biggest blunder ever?... Or was it intentional by design?

 
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A horrible blunder, or intentional for some odd reason? -->


The biggest blunder IMO is that we have now created a second Shia-controlled nation right beside the Shia-controlled nation of Iran. Iraq used to be completely controlled by the Sunni minority(Saddam and Co) that was unfriendly to Iran's Shia extremist regime.

At the beginning of the war, Bush apparently(?) did not even have a clue who was Sunni and who was Shia, and the importance of this in the Muslim world. Iran is absolutely loving all of this. They are hysterically laughing at us. Iran loves what we did. It was in their best interest. In this respect, we were FAR better off with Saddam, or at least the Sunnis, in control of Iraq.

Creating a "democracy" in Iraq necessarily meant that Iraq would become Shia-dominated as opposed to the former Sunni-controlled state. On the surface at least, it appears that our leadership had little to no clue of this situation. The Shias will come to dominate Iraq and join forces with Iran if things remain as is.

Between the
1) Shia controlled nations of Iran and [now]Iraq,
2) the increase in Muslim extremism towards the West caused by this war,
3) and then the Globalists' absolutely-bullshit new world order goals which are hurting us horribly in numerous ways->

our future looks very very bleak for a long time to come.



There is NO good solution at all to this entire situation. None. Too late now. Was this intentional for some hidden reason, or was it simply one of the greatest blunders in American foreign policy history? I am wondering if this was not intentional for some publically-unknown reason. Perhaps to create a new superpower to engage in a new cold war with? I wish I knew the answer.


A good map showing the Sunni and Shia concentrations(very important to understand this situation):

[link to www.uwec.edu]
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Re: The Iraq War, Iran , and Sunni/Shia situation....The biggest blunder ever?... Or was it intentional by design?
Divide and conquer.

Oldest trick in the book.

The sheepies fall for it every time.

There os no "Left vs. Right" in Iraq, so they have to do it this way.

Nothing new here.
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Divide and conquer.

Oldest trick in the book.

The sheepies fall for it every time.

There os no "Left vs. Right" in Iraq, so they have to do it this way.

Nothing new here.
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exactly.
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A horrible blunder, or intentional for some odd reason? -->


The biggest blunder IMO is that we have now created a second Shia-controlled nation right beside the Shia-controlled nation of Iran. Iraq used to be completely controlled by the Sunni minority(Saddam and Co) that was unfriendly to Iran's Shia extremist regime.

At the beginning of the war, Bush apparently(?) did not even have a clue who was Sunni and who was Shia, and the importance of this in the Muslim world. Iran is absolutely loving all of this. They are hysterically laughing at us. Iran loves what we did. It was in their best interest. In this respect, we were FAR better off with Saddam, or at least the Sunnis, in control of Iraq.

Creating a "democracy" in Iraq necessarily meant that Iraq would become Shia-dominated as opposed to the former Sunni-controlled state. On the surface at least, it appears that our leadership had little to no clue of this situation. The Shias will come to dominate Iraq and join forces with Iran if things remain as is.

Between the
1) Shia controlled nations of Iran and [now]Iraq,
2) the increase in Muslim extremism towards the West caused by this war,
3) and then the Globalists' absolutely-bullshit new world order goals which are hurting us horribly in numerous ways->

our future looks very very bleak for a long time to come.



There is NO good solution at all to this entire situation. None. Too late now. Was this intentional for some hidden reason, or was it simply one of the greatest blunders in American foreign policy history? I am wondering if this was not intentional for some publically-unknown reason. Perhaps to create a new superpower to engage in a new cold war with? I wish I knew the answer.


A good map showing the Sunni and Shia concentrations(very important to understand this situation):

[link to www.uwec.edu]
 Quoting: Jorge 217332

A great link OP, I'm convinced that Bush has the worst advisors on Islam in the world! Try telling a true Muslim that Democracy is better than Sharia law. I don't know if they even know the difference between Sunni and Shia!
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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Teamwork also.

Bush41 {{{ SUCKERED }}} the Shia into revolting against Sadam after GWI - promising Arms, Money etc.
When the Shia said they did NOT want the Tigris "defiled" with American Troops - Meaning they weren't going to take orders - The SETUP was on - Sadam SLAUGHTERED them.

Sadam & bush41 Teamwork !!!

Daniel


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Youre right. Excellent post. Why? Why? We know it wasnt for the WMD's. Then why? We have definately done far more harm than good, and this eventual situation had to have been known about from before the war ever started. Bush might be dumb, but he has a very large group of highly intelligent people in the CIA and elsewhere. These things dont happen accidentally. Nothing in Federal politics is accidental. What they have done seems really 'messed up'. A really messed up situation it is. None of this makes sense as is. There has to be some grand, ulterior motive and plan going on here...
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Re: The Iraq War, Iran , and Sunni/Shia situation....The biggest blunder ever?... Or was it intentional by design?
Divide and conquer.

Oldest trick in the book.

The sheepies fall for it every time.

There os no "Left vs. Right" in Iraq, so they have to do it this way.

Nothing new here.
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Yeah. Nothing new here.

But I would take it one step further.

The more we focus on 'war plans', the more they can make it happen, we feed our precious energy into it. Don't get me wrong, I'm a total news junkie. But, I figured it's not smart to let outside influences wreck my life.

By concentrating on their war plans, you give them power. They're fools and psychopaths ... and we would be total idiots to listen to them.

I'm not having lunatics dictate my reality to me. How about you?
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A great link OP, I'm convinced that Bush has the worst advisors on Islam in the world! Try telling a true Muslim that Democracy is better than Sharia law. I don't know if they even know the difference between Sunni and Shia!
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They will never institute a democracy in iraq .

Culturally those people are centuries away from a democracy.

The only boots that we should have put on the ground were those to dismantle hussien and his army and secure the oil fields until one faction or the other took control.
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Re: The Iraq War, Iran , and Sunni/Shia situation....The biggest blunder ever?... Or was it intentional by design?
back in 1960, the nation by JFKs vision, undertook a 10 yr program to change our lives...a moon mission!


Thirty Years Later...the national goals & aspirations went downhill;
back in the 1990s, a political faction thought to seize the nation, created the PNAC blueprint, seized the reins of the nation with a small party (reflect on bible prophecy)...with the evil Empire relegated to a back-seat position, the 'trampling underfoot' by the iron legged 'beast' began in earnest...focus 'Middle East'
all elements of Daniels' & Revelations' Prophecy !
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They will never institute a democracy in iraq .

Culturally those people are centuries away from a democracy.

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Democracy is only an illusion anyway. Those with the money ALWAYS rule.
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...and speaking of money, there is a lot of money to be made from war.
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The plan as made by Albert Pike (Scottish Rite Mason) in the 1800's was to develop this religious war in the middle-east. After this war of Christian/Jew/Muslim then the world will be ready for Illuminati yoke. It's the Plan, Stan.
Charlie Chaplin wasn't really that careless and inept. His talent was in making it look like he was.
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They will never institute a democracy in iraq .

Culturally those people are centuries away from a democracy.



Democracy is only an illusion anyway. Those with the money ALWAYS rule.
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So far, anyway.
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So far, anyway.
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Thanks for the hope :)
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To think attacking Iran is a good idea,the shea in Iraq will rise,with the sunni.

I wonder if they understand this?
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We should kill all the Shia in Iraq and Iran. Its the only way.
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We should kill all the Shia in Iraq and Iran. Its the only way.
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"Glass parking lot"! Green glass! Should make for some nice land-speed record breakers with a couple hundred miles to run, once the radiation has cooled down that is. FREE oil too!
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No. We want Islam to be forever divided between Shi'a and Sunni. Divide and conquer. That is why despite all Bush rheteric we are completely supporting the Shi'ite national police force in Iraq who are in turn killing and cleansing Sunnis out of their Shi'a lands
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America would rather be divided into Catholic, Protestant, Jewish and Mormon parts, before the Muslims even get a vague idea what "Shia" and "Sunny" the USA is talking about. The last time anyone fought about such a stupid thing as religion was back in 1291.
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you people have no idea whats in store for you.thanks for getting ridd of hussen for us.what a bunch of dummies.next is iraq than kawitt.we will control all the oil in the middle east........you will bow down to us.....your young daughters will meet our every needs....we will control the world...allah is great........................
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you people have no idea whats in store for you.thanks for getting ridd of hussen for us.what a bunch of dummies.next is iraq than kawitt.we will control all the oil in the middle east........you will bow down to us.....your young daughters will meet our every needs....we will control the world...allah is great........................
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In The War Against the Terror Masters, Neocon Michael Ledeen stated:

First and foremost, we must bring down the terror regimes, beginning with the Big Three: Iran, Iraq, and Syria. And then we have to come to grips with Saudi Arabia. ... Once the tyrants in Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Saudi Arabia have been brought down, we will remain engaged. ...We have to ensure the fulfillment of the democratic revolution. ... Stability is an unworthy American mission, and a misleading concept to boot. We do not want stability in Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and even Saudi Arabia; we want things to change. The real issue is not whether, but how to destabilize.

Rejecting stability as "an unworthy American mission," Ledeen goes on to define America's authentic "historic mission":

Creative destruction is our middle name, both within our society and abroad. We tear down the old order every day, from business to science, literature, art, architecture, and cinema to politics and the law. Our enemies have always hated this whirlwind of energy and creativity which menaces their traditions (whatever they may be) and shames them for their inability to keep pace. ... [W]e must destroy them to advance our historic mission.
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In The War Against the Terror Masters, Neocon Michael Ledeen stated:

First and foremost, we must bring down the terror regimes, beginning with the Big Three: Iran, Iraq, and Syria. And then we have to come to grips with Saudi Arabia. ... Once the tyrants in Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Saudi Arabia have been brought down, we will remain engaged. ...We have to ensure the fulfillment of the democratic revolution. ... Stability is an unworthy American mission, and a misleading concept to boot. We do not want stability in Iran, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, and even Saudi Arabia; we want things to change. The real issue is not whether, but how to destabilize.

Rejecting stability as "an unworthy American mission," Ledeen goes on to define America's authentic "historic mission":

Creative destruction is our middle name, both within our society and abroad. We tear down the old order every day, from business to science, literature, art, architecture, and cinema to politics and the law. Our enemies have always hated this whirlwind of energy and creativity which menaces their traditions (whatever they may be) and shames them for their inability to keep pace. ... [W]e must destroy them to advance our historic mission.
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Reads a bit like this, doesn't it.

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Reads a bit like this, doesn't it.

[link to www.biblebelievers.org.au]
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Now, THAT is enough to make your blood run cold.

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Bush has the best advisors on Islam in the world.

This is all by design.
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bump


Bush has the best advisors on Islam in the world.

This is all by design.
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Deliberate and designed. Divide into duality and conquer them both as they eliminate each other. Old as the hills and it works if the perpetrators keep out of sight. Who are the perpetrators? The ones who stir you up to take action.
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Intentional, designed. There is no such thing as a coincidental incident in politics- if 'shit' happens, you can damn well be sure it was planned that way.

End of story.
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Re: The Iraq War, Iran , and Sunni/Shia situation....The biggest blunder ever?... Or was it intentional by design?
oil oil oil.
peak oil in 2020.
US is bankrupt.
A solution is attain oil assets then make the price go supersonic. Sudenly, all that US debt vanishes and its back in the black. yoo hoo. So, what will happen in Iran.
Who knows but it would seem that once the assets are secure one way to make the oil price supersonic is to hit the Strait and bingo. But the oil must be secure.
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A horrible blunder, or intentional for some odd reason? -->


The biggest blunder IMO is that we have now created a second Shia-controlled nation right beside the Shia-controlled nation of Iran. Iraq used to be completely controlled by the Sunni minority(Saddam and Co) that was unfriendly to Iran's Shia extremist regime.

At the beginning of the war, Bush apparently(?) did not even have a clue who was Sunni and who was Shia, and the importance of this in the Muslim world. Iran is absolutely loving all of this. They are hysterically laughing at us. Iran loves what we did. It was in their best interest. In this respect, we were FAR better off with Saddam, or at least the Sunnis, in control of Iraq.

Creating a "democracy" in Iraq necessarily meant that Iraq would become Shia-dominated as opposed to the former Sunni-controlled state. On the surface at least, it appears that our leadership had little to no clue of this situation. The Shias will come to dominate Iraq and join forces with Iran if things remain as is.

Between the
1) Shia controlled nations of Iran and [now]Iraq,
2) the increase in Muslim extremism towards the West caused by this war,
3) and then the Globalists' absolutely-bullshit new world order goals which are hurting us horribly in numerous ways->

our future looks very very bleak for a long time to come.



There is NO good solution at all to this entire situation. None. Too late now. Was this intentional for some hidden reason, or was it simply one of the greatest blunders in American foreign policy history? I am wondering if this was not intentional for some publically-unknown reason. Perhaps to create a new superpower to engage in a new cold war with? I wish I knew the answer.


A good map showing the Sunni and Shia concentrations(very important to understand this situation):

[link to www.uwec.edu]
 Quoting: Jorge 217332





bumpunderstanding this is tremendously important.
"Every word of God is pure: He is a shield unto them that put their trust in Him." Prov. 30:5





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