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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 189402 United States 04/03/2007 11:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Power Behind the Throne While Adolf Hitler is today recognized as the central figure of Nazism, he was a less important player when the Nazi machine was first assembled. Its first leader was Ernst Roehm. Homosexual historian Frank Rector writes that "Hitler was, to a substantial extent, Roehm's protegé" (Rector:80). Roehm had been a captain in the German army. Hitler had been a mere corporal. After World War I, Roehm was highly placed in the underground nationalist movement that plotted to overthrow the Weimar government and worked to subvert it through assassinations and terrorism. In The Order of the Death's Head, author Heinz Hohne writes that Roehm met Hitler at a meeting of a socialist terrorist group called the Iron Fist and "saw in Hitler the demagogue he required to mobilize mass support for his secret army" (Hohne:20). Roehm, who had joined the German Worker's Party before Hitler, worked with him to take over the fledgling organization. With Roehm's backing, Hitler became the first president of the party in 1921 (ibid.:21) and changed its name to the National Socialist German Worker's Party. Soon after, Rossbach's Storm Troopers, the SA, became its military arm. In his classic Nazi history, The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, author William Shirer describes Roehm as "a stocky, bull-necked, piggish-eyed, scar- faced professional soldier...[and] like so many of the early Nazis, a homosexual" (Shirer:64). Rector writes: Was not the most outstanding, most notorious, of all homosexuals the celebrated Nazi leader Ernst Ro[e]hm, the virile and manly chief of the SA, the du buddy of Adolf Hitler from the beginning of his political career? Hitler's rise had in fact depended upon Ro[e]hm and everyone knew it. Ro[e]hm's gay fun and games were certainly no secret; his amorous forays to gay bars and gay Turkish baths were riotous. Whatever anti-homosexual sentiments may have been expressed by straight Nazis were more than offset by the reality of highly visible, spectacular, gay-loving Ro[e]hm. If there were occasional ominous rumblings and grumblings about "all those queers" in the SA and Movement, and some anti-gay flare-ups, homosexual Nazis felt more-or-less secure in the lap of the Party. After all, the National Socialist Party member who wielded the greatest power aside from Hitler was Ro[e]hm (Rector:50f). Betraying his roots in the "Butch" faction of the German "gay rights" movement, Roehm viewed homosexuality as the basis for a new society. Louis Snyder writes that Roehm "projected a social order in which homosexuality would be regarded as a human behavior pattern of high repute...he flaunted his homosexuality in public and insisted that his cronies do the same. What was needed, Roehm believed, was a proud and arrogant lot who could brawl, carouse, smash windows, kill and slaughter for the hell of it. Straights, in his eyes, were not as adept in such behavior as practicing homosexuals" (Snyder:55). "The principle function of this army-like organization," writes historian Thomas Fuchs, "was beating up anyone who opposed the Nazis, and Hitler believed this was a job best undertaken by homosexuals" (Fuchs:48f). The favorite meeting place of the SA was a "gay" bar in Munich called the Bratwurstglockl where Roehm kept a reserved table (Hohne:82). This was the same tavern where some of the earliest formative meetings of the Nazi Party had been held (Rector:69). At the Bratwurstglockl, Roehm and associates-Edmund Heines, Karl Ernst, Ernst's partner Captain Rohrbein, Captain Petersdorf, Count Ernst Helldorf and the rest-would meet to plan and strategize. These were the men who orchestrated the Nazi campaign of intimidation and terror. All of them were homosexual (Heiden:371). Indeed, homosexuality was all that qualified many of these men for their positions in the SA. Heinrich Himmler would later complain of this: "Does it not constitute a danger to the Nazi movement if it can be said that Nazi leaders are chosen for sexual reasons?" (Gallo:57). Himmler was not so much opposed to homosexuality itself as to the fact that non- qualified people were given high rank based on their homosexual relations with Roehm and others. For example, SA Obergruppenfuhrer (Lieutenant General) Karl Ernst, a militant homosexual, had been a hotel doorman and a waiter before joining the SA. "Karl Ernst is not yet 35," writes Gallo, "he commands 250,000 men...he is simply a sadist, a common thug, transformed into a responsible official" (ibid.:50f). This strange brand of nepotism was a hallmark of the SA. By 1933 the SA had grown far larger than the German army, yet the Vikingkorps (Officers' Corps) remained almost exclusively homosexual. "Roehm, as the head of 2,500,000 Storm Troops," writes historian H.R. Knickerbocker, "had surrounded himself with a staff of perverts. His chiefs, men of rank of Gruppenfuhrer or Obergruppenfuhrer, commanding units of several hundred thousand Storm Troopers, were almost without exception homosexuals. Indeed, unless a Storm Troop officer were homosexual he had no chance of advancement" (Knickerbocker:55). In the SA, the Community of the Special's Hellenic ideal of masculine homosexual supremacy and militarism was fully realized. "Theirs was a very masculine brand of homosexuality," writes homosexualist historian Alfred Rowse, "they lived in a male world, without women, a world of camps and marching, rallies and sports. They had their own relaxations, and the Munich SA became notorious on account of them" (Rowse:214). The similarity of the SA to Freidlander and Brand's dream of Hellenic revival is not coincidental. In Gay American History, Jonathan Katz writes that Roehm was a prominent member of the Society for Human Rights (SHR), an offshoot of the CS (J.Katz:632). The "relaxations" to which Rowse refers were, of course, the homosexual activities (many of them pederastic) for which the SA and the CS were both famous. Hohne writes that Roehm "used the SA for ends other than the purely political...Peter Granninger, who had been one of Roehm's partners...and was now given cover in the SA Intelligence Section. For a monthly salary of 200 marks he kept Roehm supplied with new friends, his main hunting ground being Geisela High School Munich; from this school he recruited no fewer than eleven boys, whom he first tried out and then took to Roehm" (Hohne:82). |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 216583 United States 04/04/2007 12:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | with good reason Kay Griggs terms it the 'German Disease' Quoting: Anonymous Coward 216583sex with children and homosexuality, in specificity. [link to opposingdigits.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 218579 Australia 04/04/2007 12:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | with good reason Kay Griggs terms it the 'German Disease' Quoting: Anonymous Coward 216583sex with children and homosexuality, in specificity. Look, I agree about the children… because some decisions—like sex—should be reserved until one has reasonable judgment ability. But homosexuality… I don't get how it could be such a big deal between two consenting adults. Purely rooted in religious dogma. It is your body; do with it as you will. As for it being a disease… never let a shrink tell anyone what is and isn't a disease. Disease is herpes or syphilis—something tangible. Not the intangible indoctrinated opinion of shrinks and preachers. |
mercury2 User ID: 218580 Norway 04/04/2007 12:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Has anyone here ever read the short story "The Forgotten One" by James Norman Hall? It was in a collection of stories with that as the title of the book. In the story Hall travels in the South Pacific and stops at an isolated island to visit a man who has cast himself away and lives there alone with one native woman as a housekeeper. I think the guy's name was Creighton. Hall stays a few days to visit and to try to understand why a man would choose to permanently remove himself from others and impose a solitary confinement on himself. In a spooky convoluted way part of the answer comes to light, I think possibly in a letter to Hall that he recieved at a distance, perhaps after Creighton's death, I don't remember. Creighton talked about Berlin in the teens and twenties being a pit of temptations, the scene of great debaucheries and orgies, where any perversion was accomodated, and that he had participated and become obsessed with the sexual vices that were freely available. When I first read the story I thought it was only that he was gay, and I thought it was so sad, that he was so ashamed of being gay that he chose to cast himself away far from temptation, since he knew he couldn't change himself. When I learned more about Berlin though, then it occurred to me that maybe it was pedophilia that he was obsessed with and ashamed of, that his conscience bothered him so much over, and that he didn't dare be tempted by? I should go read the story again. It was kind of a horror story really. I love James Norman Hall (wrote the Bounty Trilogy with Charles Nordhoff). |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 216583 United States 04/04/2007 12:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Look, I agree about the children… because some decisions—like sex—should be reserved until one has reasonable judgment ability. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 218579But homosexuality… I don't get how it could be such a big deal between two consenting adults. Purely rooted in religious dogma. It is your body; do with it as you will. As for it being a disease… never let a shrink tell anyone what is and isn't a disease. Disease is herpes or syphilis—something tangible. Not the intangible indoctrinated opinion of shrinks and preachers. the 'German Disesase' was never about consent. it was forced upon these children Where does it come from? I cannot really say. I only know from my one experience as child - as one of these denoted 'special' ones that it was attempted on me more than once. For some reason I was blessed and protected from the events and circumstances Kay and others speak of. Although I was exposed to such things, I was able to avoid the ultimate path presented to me. All I can say is, It is Real. Enough said. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 218579 Australia 04/04/2007 01:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Creighton talked about Berlin in the teens and twenties being a pit of temptations, the scene of great debaucheries and orgies, where any perversion was accomodated, and that he had participated and become obsessed with the sexual vices that were freely available. Quoting: mercury2I'm not familiar with the work you describe… I'll prolly check it out. But I just wanted to comment on this: >>>Creighton talked about Berlin in the teens and twenties being a pit of temptations, the scene of great debaucheries and orgies, where any perversion was accomodated, and that he had participated and become obsessed with the sexual vices that were freely available.<<< history is littered with these 'perversions' … what I don't understand is; who is one group of people to say to another group of people "you are a perverts for being involved in that orgy" … I mean if everyone is consenting and above a reasonable age (this is key… no forcing) then who is to dictate what it 'perversion' and acceptable? It should've always been; "mind your own business" … not police each other like you are all criminals for silly reasons. Of course I know the answer. Religion. Religion is responsible, solely. And the reason they instituted rules was so they had reasons to torture and kill… they are liars of liars. |
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mercury2 User ID: 101443 United States 04/04/2007 02:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | who is to dictate what it 'perversion' and acceptable? It should've always been; "mind your own business" … not police each other like you are all criminals for silly reasons. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 218579Of course I know the answer. Religion. Religion is responsible, solely. And the reason they instituted rules was so they had reasons to torture and kill… they are liars of liars. You have a _very_ modern viewpoint. Which is influenced by the soullessness of modern life, and by the ready availability of birth control, abortion, and medical remedies for venereal diseases. You don't see sex as having any moral issues attached to it at all? I think it's fraught with moral questions . . through and through . . and I lived through the ultimate sexual freedom of the seventies, anything goes, no consequences. It hasn't always been like this through history you know . . London in the 1860s was teeming with prostitutes, there was great vice and debauchery there too. Why do you think people looked at it as a moral issue? And not just "freedom of expression between consenting adults"? Because of the babies, that's why. Do you think they just threw them in the river? I am sure they did with some. The orphanages and streets were full of the unwanted children of prostitutes. Maybe today we don't see that as a moral issue when we decide whether to have sex with someone! That it might have an impact on someone else's life (the kid's!). I know, I know, how old-fashioned! Another thing is, people's feelings. Sex awakens great emotional attachment in people who are capable of such things. Causing someone to fall in love with you by being as nice to them as is possible (sex) and then abandoning them, is considered a moral failing by some old fashioned types. In the novel, The Picture of Dorian Gray, by Oscar Wilde, the main character is portrayed as an evil beast, who flaunts the rules of society and is ostracized as a pariah. Reading it with a modern eye, the worst thing you can say about him is that he seduced and abandoned young women. Seduced and Abandoned! It was considered shocking, horrific, evil. We don't even have the emotional or moral vocabulary today to conceive of what they meant when they judged him for that. Today, what's the big deal? Seduced and abandoned, that's what it's all about, right? I could go on but it's getting late. The older I get, the more old fashioned I get. LOL being old fashioned seems like the rebellious way to be these days! Always have to be contrary . . :-) |
89446 User ID: 194979 Romania 04/04/2007 03:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In 1945 a Jewish historian by the name of Samuel Igra published Germany's National Vice, which called homosexuality the "poisoned stream" that ran through the heart of Nazism. Igra, who escaped Germany in 1939, claims that Hitler "had been a male prostitute in Vienna at the time of his sojourn there, from 1907 to 1912, and that he practiced the same calling in Munich from 1912 to 1914" --- My, can anyone spot an agenda behind Igra's claims? OP better check your sources next time before posting all this drible. BTW, Hirschfeld was jewish and he did the first sex change operation in the world: [link to www.petertatchell.net] Sol Dominvs Imperi Romani Imperium Romanum Sacrum In Varietate Concordia |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 189402 United States 04/10/2007 07:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Since occultism is associated primarily with Gnosticism the association of the Gnostics with homosexuality is of primary relevance to this study. Thus, we found an obscure reference to Hitler as a Manichaean in Steven Katz’s The Holocaust in Historical Context, Volume 1, of interest. Arthur Evans’ Witchcraft and the Gay Counterculture provides some illumination here. Mani, for whom Manichaeism is named, was a third century Prince of Babylon who devised his own form of Gnosticism. Gnostics blended pagan sex rituals and Mother Goddess worship with elements of New Testament Christianity and “rejected Jehovah God as an evil demon.” Manichaeism imposed on Gnosticism a caste system of leaders (elect) and followers (hearers). A Manichaean sect called the Bogomils (later called the Cathars) arose in Bulgaria and spread across Europe. Homosexuality became so closely associated with these Bulgarian heretics that the practice became known as “buggery.” Indeed, “the word for Cathar in most European languages came to be the word for homosexual: in German, Ketzer, in Italian, Gazarro, and in French, Herite....Heresy and homosexuality became so interchangable that those accused of heresy attemped to prove their innocence by claiming heterosexuality” (Evans:51ff). We probably all take for granted the fact that today our modern world culture is dominated by the religions based on the Mosaic law (i.e. Judaism, Christianity and Islam). In their orthodox forms each of these religions regards homosexuality as an abomination. But pagan cultures have no such prohibition. (By definition, pagans are people who are not Jews, Christians or Moslems). In pagan cultures, homosexuals often hold an elevated position in religion and society. When pagan civilizations ruled the world, homosexuality and pederasty were widely practiced and accepted. Homosexualist author Judy Grahn writes, Many aspects of shamanism had homosexual content, and many of the gods, spirits, and divinities of the world have been associated with Gayness. In Tahiti there were special divinities for homosexual worship. The ancient Shinto temples of Japan display scenes of sexual ritual orgies similar to those of the Baccanalia of the Romans...the Great Mother Goddess of ancient China, Kwan-Yin, was worshipped with sexual rites that included homosexuality. When the Spanish conquistadores reached Central America and the Yucatan, they found a prevalence of Gay priests and sacred statues and stone sculpture depicting the homosexual union as a sacred act. In the Yucatan the god Chin is said to have established sacred homosexuality and a Gay priesthood serving in the temples just as was true of the temples of ancient Babylon and Sumeria (Grahn:129). Christian writer George Grant concurs. He writes that “Rome was a perpetual satyricon. Egypt, Persia, Carthage, Babylon, and Assyria were all steeped in pederastic tradition. And the ancient empires of the Mongols, Tartars, Huns, Teutons, Celts, Incas, Aztecs, Mayans, Nubians, Mings, Canaanites, and Zulus likewise celebrated depravity, degradation and debauchery” (Grant, 1993:24). In Sexuality and Homosexuality, historian Arno Karlen writes of homosexual cults throughout the ancient world: “‘male temple prostitutes’—existed among the devotees of Ishtar and Astarte in Syria, the Albanians and Babylonians, the Canaanite neighbors of the ancient Hebrews, and in Cos, Crete and Ephesus in the Greek world” (Karlen:6). |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 189402 United States 04/10/2007 08:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Homosexual Perversion is an inadequate life denying Satanic substitute for God's gift of heterosexual marriage and family which is God's unit for society, and homosexuality has always had a very high incidence of pedophiliac activity. An example is the venerated ancient statue of Zeus, Greek Mythology's revered king of the gods, in the act of abducting Ganymede, a pre-adolescent boy, for the purposes of sodomy, illustrating the complete degradation and lack of morality of the pantheon of false gods to whom the Olympians dedicated their Olympic games. This, in turn, was a direct reflection of the Olympians own amoral beliefs and behavior. The antiquity of the inspirational Satanic source of Nazism's occultic religion, which was secretly practised in Germany by Hitler and his closest and most powerful colleagues and for which initiation into was a prerequisite for induction into the SS, and this evil religion's historically reoccuring fruit are both well documented throughout the history of mankind. The feared and hated SS were required by Himmler to join this revived form of occultic Viking paganistic worship, after their public and formal renunciation of Christianity, through secret initiation rites before they were allowed to begin training as SS troops. As a spiritual result of this, the SS, like every other occultic organization since the beginning of time, was amoral and experienced a very high percentage of homosexual men, as Occultism and homosexuality are inseparable. According to SS-Haupsturmfuehrer (Captain) Dieter Wisliceny, quoted in The Twisted Cross, by Joseph J. Carr, "the SS was a new form of religious sect with its own rites and customs." The SS leadership believed in a supreme being, frequently invoking him in speeches and Nazi oaths, but it was not the Christian God, but a curious blend of atheism, theosophy - which teaches the occult "secret doctrine" that each of us is ourselves "God" or "Christ," and pagan deism." Truly false gods created from the evil imagination of man - through the inspiration of Satan, result from man turning his back on the one true God, and creating a god in man's own image! |
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