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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75849051 United States 11/19/2017 08:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Right to travel : it is unconstitutional to require natural born free citizens in the US to have a drivers license It is guaranteed under the constitution.. so why do we have to abide ?? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51550258 You can walk anywhere you want. If you want to travel by train or bus you don't need a license for that either. Society has decided that if you want to operate a 4000 lb, high speed automobile you need to demonstrate to the rest of us that you have some level of proficiency. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 34398756 United States 11/19/2017 08:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Right to travel : it is unconstitutional to require natural born free citizens in the US to have a drivers license It is guaranteed under the constitution.. so why do we have to abide ?? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51550258 You can walk anywhere you want. If you want to travel by train or bus you don't need a license for that either. Society has decided that if you want to operate a 4000 lb, high speed automobile you need to demonstrate to the rest of us that you have some level of proficiency. /thread |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 69538385 United States 11/19/2017 08:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Right to travel : it is unconstitutional to require natural born free citizens in the US to have a drivers license The people don't care. No-one cares. There could be a video played on primetime television on every station in every language by anonymous that shows the whole worlds leaders doing what they do exposing each and every foking one of them. Still no one would quit their jobs, stop paying their bills, shopping, eating etc etc. (You know the hard work) {Faith} No-one cares. In god we trust on the cop cars, on the money, 5 pointed stars on killing maXhines. LoLoLoLoLoLoL It's pathetic. What is allowed to continue, will continue. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74857921 United States 11/19/2017 08:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Right to travel : it is unconstitutional to require natural born free citizens in the US to have a drivers license It is guaranteed under the constitution.. so why do we have to abide ?? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51550258 You can walk anywhere you want. If you want to travel by train or bus you don't need a license for that either. Society has decided that if you want to operate a 4000 lb, high speed automobile you need to demonstrate to the rest of us that you have some level of proficiency. BUT WHADABBOUT MUH FREEDUMBS?? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71312991 France 11/19/2017 08:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Right to travel : it is unconstitutional to require natural born free citizens in the US to have a drivers license ]b]The Orphaned Right: The Right to Travel by Automobile, 1890-1950 Oklahoma City University Law Review, Vol. 30, p. 245, 2005 Abstract: "Driving an automobile is a privilege, not a right, according to the prevailing laws of every jurisdiction of the United States. However, this was not always the case. When automobiles were first introduced around the turn of the twentieth century, drivers relied on common law traditions that protected the right of every person to travel upon public roadways without a license. Courts repeatedly wrote of an individual's "right to travel" by automobile and struck down regulations aimed at limiting the liberties of automobile drivers on constitutional grounds. With the passage of time, however, automobile regulators generally prevailed in legislative halls and courtrooms. Today, the public has accepted a degree of travel regulation which would have seemed almost tyrannical to nineteenth century Americans. This paper analyzes this change in common law and suggests that even if most Americans are unaware of it, the change represents a substantial loss of liberty." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75408062 United States 11/19/2017 08:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Right to travel : it is unconstitutional to require natural born free citizens in the US to have a drivers license Take it to court. Prove that you needed to get from point A to B in a reasonable and safe manor in a period of time that was necessary. See if the cop even shows up. Research the actual laws in the state. It's a fucking tax! We pay this goddamming tax over and over and over. How many roads have we paid for now? Then the tolls! Registration tax, title tax, 911 tax, state tax. It's predatory! Nobody had to pay taxes for horse and buggy across country. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 51550258 United States 11/19/2017 08:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Right to travel : it is unconstitutional to require natural born free citizens in the US to have a drivers license Car insurance is another scam . Why does everyone bend over and not only allow but beg to be fucked by a corrupt , immoral, and most of all unconstitutional legal system ? I don't get it |
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Wondering Mind User ID: 73265267 United States 11/19/2017 08:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Right to travel : it is unconstitutional to require natural born free citizens in the US to have a drivers license It keeps the roads safe if we have them, it catches those who drive drunk and without insurance, those who mangle and kill other drivers and use their vehicles to carry out crime. The most precious things are the simple things in life, always present in the simplest of minds. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31695488 Mexico 11/19/2017 08:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Right to travel : it is unconstitutional to require natural born free citizens in the US to have a drivers license It keeps the roads safe if we have them, it catches those who drive drunk and without insurance, those who mangle and kill other drivers and use their vehicles to carry out crime. Quoting: Wondering Mind No it doesn't, not at all. ANYONE that is not brutally retarded can get a driver's license. Even naggers can pass the test, it's that easy. It does not keep the roads safe. It does not catch anyone. Criminals use stolen cars, they don't need a license for that, either, Moran. |
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SpringLeak User ID: 75632946 United States 11/19/2017 09:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Right to travel : it is unconstitutional to require natural born free citizens in the US to have a drivers license As usual the coke whores are doing it anyway. SpamSpamSignatureSpamSpam Force Ghost Void God Zombie Wookie King From Beyond The Stars - Also I'm modest and understated. "Those who know, don't teach. Those who teach, are fucking with you." "When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him." Jonathan Swift "Whenever possible be more compassionate. It is always possible to be more compassionate." "Four hearts combined are one." "There is a reason we use brains for thinking and concrete for sidewalks." "God is love. All you need is love...and GALAXY BLASTING SPACE WEAPONS." (I knew there was something wrong with this one, it just took me a while to figure it out) "Women are evil, men are dumb, somebody pissed in the beer." "The thing about smart people is: they seem like crazy people... to dumb people." "He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt he who is doing it." "Humanity has driven off the cliff, now the military is holding their hands over our eyes so we don't see the ground coming." "Some of what you read is wrong because the people who wrote it also did not have a very good education and were groping around in the dark when they wrote it. Lets thank them for trying because without people like them we would have a lot more groping to do in a much darker world" |
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SpringLeak User ID: 75632946 United States 11/19/2017 09:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Right to travel : it is unconstitutional to require natural born free citizens in the US to have a drivers license Its not that people don't care, its that there is nothing they can do about it. Even the soldiers have spent their whole lives only being taught the bare minimum to do their jobs while the coke whores have been raping everything. This is a military problem, and there is no legitimate military left on earth to do anything about it. All the militaries are criminally controlled and anyone that could have and would have challenged them is dead or effectively neutralized. We already have a one world government, posing as many governments. Its a prison planet and there is no escape and no doing anything about it. SpamSpamSignatureSpamSpam Force Ghost Void God Zombie Wookie King From Beyond The Stars - Also I'm modest and understated. "Those who know, don't teach. Those who teach, are fucking with you." "When a true genius appears, you can know him by this sign: that all the dunces are in a confederacy against him." Jonathan Swift "Whenever possible be more compassionate. It is always possible to be more compassionate." "Four hearts combined are one." "There is a reason we use brains for thinking and concrete for sidewalks." "God is love. All you need is love...and GALAXY BLASTING SPACE WEAPONS." (I knew there was something wrong with this one, it just took me a while to figure it out) "Women are evil, men are dumb, somebody pissed in the beer." "The thing about smart people is: they seem like crazy people... to dumb people." "He who says it cannot be done should not interrupt he who is doing it." "Humanity has driven off the cliff, now the military is holding their hands over our eyes so we don't see the ground coming." "Some of what you read is wrong because the people who wrote it also did not have a very good education and were groping around in the dark when they wrote it. Lets thank them for trying because without people like them we would have a lot more groping to do in a much darker world" |
Gelatinous Mass User ID: 73899585 United States 11/19/2017 09:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Right to travel : it is unconstitutional to require natural born free citizens in the US to have a drivers license The State, and the citizens, have set standards by which your ability to safely operate a vehicle is measured. In order to PROVE you have achieved that standard, you need a license. FURTHER, I sure as fuck do not want people on the roads who do not know how to drive safely, nor do I want drunk assholes or potheads freely operating a car or truck. Thus, the license is something that can be revoked, putting you in deep doo doo if you are busted driving under the influence or driving without a valid credential. FURTHER, I want the State to be able to positively identify those caught breaking the law. The drivers license is a primary means of doing so. You have the right to travel from state to state without hindrance. But you DO NOT have the right to do so on State and Federal roadways, or via air travel, without playing by the established rules and holding proper identification and/or driving credentials. Don't like it? WALK or RIDE A BIKE. I bet you have at least one DUI under your belt, yes? Last Edited by Gelatinous Mass on 11/19/2017 09:22 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75871039 United States 11/19/2017 09:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Right to travel : it is unconstitutional to require natural born free citizens in the US to have a drivers license It is guaranteed under the constitution.. so why do we have to abide ?? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51550258 You can walk anywhere you want. If you want to travel by train or bus you don't need a license for that either. Society has decided that if you want to operate a 4000 lb, high speed automobile you need to demonstrate to the rest of us that you have some level of proficiency. I'm so glad that merely taking away this piece of plastic stops everybody that can't/shouldn't drive... Like this one drunk I knew of, had his license taken, was in jail for drunk driving...would walk out the back door for work release and hop right into his car... Oh wait... You want to give me an actual good reason for your government bullshit now? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75849051 United States 11/19/2017 09:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Right to travel : it is unconstitutional to require natural born free citizens in the US to have a drivers license It is guaranteed under the constitution.. so why do we have to abide ?? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51550258 You can walk anywhere you want. If you want to travel by train or bus you don't need a license for that either. Society has decided that if you want to operate a 4000 lb, high speed automobile you need to demonstrate to the rest of us that you have some level of proficiency. I'm so glad that merely taking away this piece of plastic stops everybody that can't/shouldn't drive... Like this one drunk I knew of, had his license taken, was in jail for drunk driving...would walk out the back door for work release and hop right into his car... Oh wait... You want to give me an actual good reason for your government bullshit now? It comes from a practicality stand point. You must agree that a busy highway or interstate is a dangerous place right? High speed chunks of metal and glass hurdling down the road sometimes in heavy traffic? In this sort of environment society has deemed it necessary to have some rules in place in order to make things as safe as it possibly can be. So the license demonstrates that you at least know how to operate the vehicle to a reasonable standard. (i.e. you know where the brake pedal is, you know how to operate turn signals etc..) Believe it or not, there are people out there who can't drive a car. Literally have no idea. Having a license serves another purpose as well. It attempts to keep people honest in that, if they drive drunk or recklessly, it can be taken away. Now I know you said you know someone who drives illegally. Yes it happens all the time but, and here's the but, that person if caught not only loses his driving privileges but also his freedom as he will more than likely spend time in jail. This deters most people from driving without one and hopefully deters most people from endangering others with reckless behavior. That's the intent. Like it or not, that's what it's there for. The license plate and registration are a form of tax. It sucks. But they also put a name with a car. That way, if your car gets stolen from you it may be retrievable at least until the thief is able to ditch your tag. The Vin number is another way to identify your vehicle and is harder to get rid of as it's stamped all over the car. That is also included in the registration. Another reason to have an identifier on the exterior of the car is so that police or even citizens can identify you if you are endangering other citizens. See, this isn't just about your freedom but everyone else's as well. I should have the freedom not to be killed by you. Get it? And if you do happen to kill me out on the highway, I want you identified so you'll have to pay the price. Insurance. Yes people drive without it all the time. It's part of the reason insurance is so high and also a contributing factor in why we also must carry uninsured motorist/collision insurance if we want to get our car fixed when we've been hit by someone without insurance. See, if you damage my property, I want you to have to pay for it. If I damage yours I want to pay that also. At the cost of a typical auto repair bill (the average is between 2-3000 dollars) most people can't afford to pay that out of their own pocket. Because of that, Insurance must be carried. You may or may not agree with any of this. You probably won't read it. But it's the law of the land. Run for congress and try to change the law. Contact your senator. Write president Trump about it. Until the law changes though it is what it is. If you choose to drive without a license, prepare to deal with the consequences and don't say you weren't warned. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 7813967 United States 11/19/2017 09:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Right to travel : it is unconstitutional to require natural born free citizens in the US to have a drivers license It keeps the roads safe if we have them, it catches those who drive drunk and without insurance, those who mangle and kill other drivers and use their vehicles to carry out crime. Quoting: Wondering Mind Just shut up, ass kisser. [link to wearechange.org (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 31695488 Mexico 11/19/2017 09:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Right to travel : it is unconstitutional to require natural born free citizens in the US to have a drivers license IT IS NOT THE LAW OF THE LAND. This has been taken all the way to the Supreme Court, many times. Just because you CONSENTED to it and signed a whole bunch of papers agreeing to your consent, does not make it LAWFUL. It's comparable to, say, you work in a company where you have to wear a tie. If you don't wear a tie you will be FIRED. I come to meet you for lunch, NOT WEARING A TIE. I don't work there. They can't fire me. The most they could do is kick me out of the building. Notice how mad this ASSHOLE COP gets when he realizes they are German. He can't do ANYTHING to them, he has no authority, because they do not have an American "license". But, somehow, they are allowed to rent a car and drive around in it. The only legal thing he can do is deport them, and nobody gets deported for speeding. But I guarantee if YOU got stopped going 98 mph he wouldn't just let you go like that, would he now? That's because YOU SIGNED THE PAPERS agreeing to give him authority over you. Chump. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 74989850 United States 11/19/2017 10:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Right to travel : it is unconstitutional to require natural born free citizens in the US to have a drivers license It is guaranteed under the constitution.. so why do we have to abide ?? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51550258 You can walk anywhere you want. If you want to travel by train or bus you don't need a license for that either. Society has decided that if you want to operate a 4000 lb, high speed automobile you need to demonstrate to the rest of us that you have some level of proficiency. I'm so glad that merely taking away this piece of plastic stops everybody that can't/shouldn't drive... Like this one drunk I knew of, had his license taken, was in jail for drunk driving...would walk out the back door for work release and hop right into his car... Oh wait... You want to give me an actual good reason for your government bullshit now? It comes from a practicality stand point. You must agree that a busy highway or interstate is a dangerous place right? High speed chunks of metal and glass hurdling down the road sometimes in heavy traffic? In this sort of environment society has deemed it necessary to have some rules in place in order to make things as safe as it possibly can be. So the license demonstrates that you at least know how to operate the vehicle to a reasonable standard. (i.e. you know where the brake pedal is, you know how to operate turn signals etc..) Believe it or not, there are people out there who can't drive a car. Literally have no idea. Having a license serves another purpose as well. It attempts to keep people honest in that, if they drive drunk or recklessly, it can be taken away. Now I know you said you know someone who drives illegally. Yes it happens all the time but, and here's the but, that person if caught not only loses his driving privileges but also his freedom as he will more than likely spend time in jail. This deters most people from driving without one and hopefully deters most people from endangering others with reckless behavior. That's the intent. Like it or not, that's what it's there for. The license plate and registration are a form of tax. It sucks. But they also put a name with a car. That way, if your car gets stolen from you it may be retrievable at least until the thief is able to ditch your tag. The Vin number is another way to identify your vehicle and is harder to get rid of as it's stamped all over the car. That is also included in the registration. Another reason to have an identifier on the exterior of the car is so that police or even citizens can identify you if you are endangering other citizens. See, this isn't just about your freedom but everyone else's as well. I should have the freedom not to be killed by you. Get it? And if you do happen to kill me out on the highway, I want you identified so you'll have to pay the price. Insurance. Yes people drive without it all the time. It's part of the reason insurance is so high and also a contributing factor in why we also must carry uninsured motorist/collision insurance if we want to get our car fixed when we've been hit by someone without insurance. See, if you damage my property, I want you to have to pay for it. If I damage yours I want to pay that also. At the cost of a typical auto repair bill (the average is between 2-3000 dollars) most people can't afford to pay that out of their own pocket. Because of that, Insurance must be carried. You may or may not agree with any of this. You probably won't read it. But it's the law of the land. Run for congress and try to change the law. Contact your senator. Write president Trump about it. Until the law changes though it is what it is. If you choose to drive without a license, prepare to deal with the consequences and don't say you weren't warned. Agree, but the insurance is a scam. If the legal system was doing its job, we wouldnt need to bring a third party into it. The fact that they mandate insurance is a concession that the legal system has failed. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 17753079 United States 12/08/2017 05:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Right to travel : it is unconstitutional to require natural born free citizens in the US to have a drivers license It is guaranteed under the constitution.. so why do we have to abide ?? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 51550258 You can walk anywhere you want. If you want to travel by train or bus you don't need a license for that either. Society has decided that if you want to operate a 4000 lb, high speed automobile you need to demonstrate to the rest of us that you have some level of proficiency. Can you travel this way when you're intoxicated? |
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