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Passengers Could Be Stranded Without Flights Over Christmas Holidays Due To American Airlines Computer Glitch; No Pilots For Airplanes

 
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"According to the pilot's union, thousands of American Airlines flights next month, including over the busy holiday travel period, do not have pilots assigned to them due to a computer glitch."

"The glitch allowed all pilots to book time off between Dec. 17-31, affecting a reported 15,000 flights. The scheduling computer showed flights were covered when they were not.

"The Dallas Morning News reports American Airlines is offering pilots 150 percent of their normal hourly pay to fly their planes, but the union claims the solution violates its labor agreement."


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Another article:

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what are they going to do about it
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what are they going to do about it
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"The pilots' union estimated that when the problem was discovered late last week, about 19,000 cockpit seats were left empty.

"This is a potential crisis that we see well in advance," said Dennis Tajer, a spokesman for the union. "This is very unusual."

"The union has lodged a protest against the company's plan to fix the mistake by tapping reserve or on-call pilots and offering overtime pay for some of the unstaffed flights. The union says American is violating its labor contract by imposing a solution without union input, and is improperly restricting premium pay.

"American officials "expect to avoid cancellations this holiday season," said airline spokesman Matt Miller. "We will work with the (union) to take care of our pilots and ensure we get our customers to where they need to go over the holidays."


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It doesn't really say.

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what are they going to do about it
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"The pilots' union estimated that when the problem was discovered late last week, about 19,000 cockpit seats were left empty.

"This is a potential crisis that we see well in advance," said Dennis Tajer, a spokesman for the union. "This is very unusual."

"The union has lodged a protest against the company's plan to fix the mistake by tapping reserve or on-call pilots and offering overtime pay for some of the unstaffed flights. The union says American is violating its labor contract by imposing a solution without union input, and is improperly restricting premium pay.

"American officials "expect to avoid cancellations this holiday season," said airline spokesman Matt Miller. "We will work with the (union) to take care of our pilots and ensure we get our customers to where they need to go over the holidays."


[link to www.nbcconnecticut.com (secure)]

It doesn't really say.

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This is Exactly why unions suck
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I hope my flight is cancelled...I am going due to pressure and guilt. I wish AA would ask for volunteers to have their tickets refunded grinning
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I hope you don't mind Panda, I green pinned the thread incase other people on GLP are affected. hf
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Nobody needs to be flying anyway.
They should already be home.
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what are they going to do about it
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"The pilots' union estimated that when the problem was discovered late last week, about 19,000 cockpit seats were left empty.

"This is a potential crisis that we see well in advance," said Dennis Tajer, a spokesman for the union. "This is very unusual."

"The union has lodged a protest against the company's plan to fix the mistake by tapping reserve or on-call pilots and offering overtime pay for some of the unstaffed flights. The union says American is violating its labor contract by imposing a solution without union input, and is improperly restricting premium pay.

"American officials "expect to avoid cancellations this holiday season," said airline spokesman Matt Miller. "We will work with the (union) to take care of our pilots and ensure we get our customers to where they need to go over the holidays."


[link to www.nbcconnecticut.com (secure)]

It doesn't really say.

1dunno1

The Union didn't write that computer software nor check it.

That was the companies responsibility.

Blame the union for pilot demands. Sure.

This wasn't a computer glitch.

This was a management snafu.

This is why I don't trust business.
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This is Exactly why unions suck
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Glad Iíll be enjoying the Holidays here at home. I donít fly anyways because I donít want TSA groping all over me or any of that other BS that comes with flying.
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Unions suck
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what are they going to do about it
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You fly the plane.

Supply/demand. Raise wages to attract pilots.
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what are they going to do about it
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"The pilots' union estimated that when the problem was discovered late last week, about 19,000 cockpit seats were left empty.

"This is a potential crisis that we see well in advance," said Dennis Tajer, a spokesman for the union. "This is very unusual."

"The union has lodged a protest against the company's plan to fix the mistake by tapping reserve or on-call pilots and offering overtime pay for some of the unstaffed flights. The union says American is violating its labor contract by imposing a solution without union input, and is improperly restricting premium pay.

"American officials "expect to avoid cancellations this holiday season," said airline spokesman Matt Miller. "We will work with the (union) to take care of our pilots and ensure we get our customers to where they need to go over the holidays."


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It doesn't really say.

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This is Exactly why unions suck
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Not if you are a member......
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I heard about this!!

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:6flag74:
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Computers work about as well as they do, why be surprised?

I rely on them to mis-behave for a living.

Not worried that AI will be factor in my life, I make a living tending Artificial Stupidity of various vintage.
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Glad Iíll be enjoying the Holidays here at home. I donít fly anyways because I donít want TSA groping all over me or any of that other BS that comes with flying.
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Same

Aviation destroyed like everything else


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Unions suck
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hesright
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Passengers would most likely live longer if they didn't travel on planes! Those things are full of germs,infections from passengers etc.and who wants to be fried by back scanners every time they fly? Or on a possibly remote controlled plane??
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what are they going to do about it
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You fly the plane.

Supply/demand. Raise wages to attract pilots.
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ďNo need to panic, but does anyone know how to fly a plane?Ē
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This was no computer glitch...

Perhaps there was an imminent threat to that particular airline around Christmas and to avoid taking any chances, the Trump admin. says "SHUT IT ALL DOWN!"

I mean, c'mon! A computer glitch causing pilots not to be scheduled to work...? Sounds shady to me.
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Passengers Could Be Stranded Without Flights Over Christmas Holidays Due To American Airlines Computer Glitch; No Pilots For Airplanes

"According to the pilot's union, thousands of American Airlines flights next month, including over the busy holiday travel period, do not have pilots assigned to them due to a computer glitch."

"The glitch allowed all pilots to book time off between Dec. 17-31, affecting a reported 15,000 flights. The scheduling computer showed flights were covered when they were not.

"The Dallas Morning News reports American Airlines is offering pilots 150 percent of their normal hourly pay to fly their planes, but the union claims the solution violates its labor agreement."


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Don't panic yet....
Many American pilots will be climbing all over each other to get the bonus pay, or as we call it, Open Time Red Pay.

And the regionals are already scheduling extra flights on their planes to help cover. The regional schedules are heavily reduced over the Holidays, so there are planes and crews to spare, to help fill in.

IMO, when the dust settles, it will only be a few shorter flights (ex. NY-D.C., Nyc-Syr, etc) that get affected by this. but the media will already have their narratives written.
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siren2

This was no computer glitch...

Perhaps there was an imminent threat to that particular airline around Christmas and to avoid taking any chances, the Trump admin. says "SHUT IT ALL DOWN!"

I mean, c'mon! A computer glitch causing pilots not to be scheduled to work...? Sounds shady to me.

 Quoting: AstroBuzz


Someone ( Probably unemployed now) likely forgot to click a box on a setup screen, when setting the staffing levels when the schedule bids came out.

They were scheduled, but the system that allows pilots to call off on days they don't want to work, or take vacay days, allowed too many to do so.

That is the problem. And that no one caught it before it became a problem.

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siren2

This was no computer glitch...

Perhaps there was an imminent threat to that particular airline around Christmas and to avoid taking any chances, the Trump admin. says "SHUT IT ALL DOWN!"

I mean, c'mon! A computer glitch causing pilots not to be scheduled to work...? Sounds shady to me.

 Quoting: AstroBuzz


Someone ( Probably unemployed now) likely forgot to click a box on a setup screen, when setting the staffing levels when the schedule bids came out.

They were scheduled, but the system that allows pilots to call off on days they don't want to work, or take vacay days, allowed too many to do so.

That is the problem. And that no one caught it before it became a problem.
 Quoting: Flying Elvii


My thoughts as well.
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i think management would rather say "computer glitch" than "staffing failure" . a bit like the dog ate my homework .
the managers involved are women ?
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siren2

This was no computer glitch...

Perhaps there was an imminent threat to that particular airline around Christmas and to avoid taking any chances, the Trump admin. says "SHUT IT ALL DOWN!"

I mean, c'mon! A computer glitch causing pilots not to be scheduled to work...? Sounds shady to me.

 Quoting: AstroBuzz


They were scheduled, but the system that allows pilots to call off on days they don't want to work, or take vacay days, allowed too many to do so.

That is the problem. And that no one caught it before it became a problem.
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That's what they WANT you to believe...

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Nah, I'm sure you're right. I was just thinking out loud with my conspiracy hat on.

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To all those saying unions suck I think you need to back down from your bias.

The management created a problem and did not go through the due process to correct the problem.

All they had to do waa contact the union and negotiate an LOA. Easy peasy.

Granted the union would have wanted something in return but probably not much. Maybe an end to a grievance they are arbitrating or red time pay for all flight hours during that period etc... doable, quick solutions.

Instead management circumvented the appropriate process. Why they did is anyone's guess but it was wrong. For the union to turn a blind eye would set a precedent that could be disasterous in the future.

Unions suck because conservatives have left the playing field and most leadership positions are held by liberals. It's your own fault for why unions suck.
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They were taken by the USAF for the coming war in Korea which will start WW3.
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siren2

This was no computer glitch...

Perhaps there was an imminent threat to that particular airline around Christmas and to avoid taking any chances, the Trump admin. says "SHUT IT ALL DOWN!"

I mean, c'mon! A computer glitch causing pilots not to be scheduled to work...? Sounds shady to me.

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No glitch, the pilots got emergency calls by USAF.
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DEC 16, 2017 NYC Martial Law Enacted Virus Outbreak out of control all travel will be restricted by military enforced
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DEC 16, 2017 NYC Martial Law Enacted Virus Outbreak out of control all travel will be restricted by military enforced
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