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Sun Set 12 or 13 minutes Earlier than Usual - go outside and look!

 
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I get it. Now, can you provide us with video showing you running your telescope and getting expected results?

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You wouldn't believe me. Best go join an actual star party yourself, and witness the telescopes tracking effortlessly.

I can run Stellarium and see the sun set out my window and see the 15 minute discrepancy.

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Again, were that true, no GOTO, anywhere in the world, could track the heavens. They do track. QED.

Multiple witnesses have asserted the fact that the sun is not setting when the equipment says it should.
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Then they must *explain* why, using precision equipment, the traditional math and answers work.
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bump and if the one above that is claiming the north star does not move and stays at this so called center... He/she has never observed it... You can set up a simple tube with the North star in it.. Toilet paper ones work great... and you can then see it does move.. it does that every single night.. go out a couple hours later and it won't be in the tube anymore... this is not new.. its been that way for 10 years since I started doing that experiment. You folks can stop posting internet bs as a substitute for really thinking and observation.
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That simply isn't true. My Pringle's can wobble buster (tm) has the North Star in it all year round. Likewise, sextants still work. Permanently mounted telescopes still work.
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and 74444 is so cheap he didn't even post the linky to that information. I have seen it word for word before.
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Yes, you have.

If you are not doing the work yourself you do not know and copying material off the net does not prove at damn this regards this topic.
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Uh, I wrote it originally, and have "done the work myself." Which requires, you know, thinking. And joining a star party to see for one's self.

get out there and do with work.. and to get tilt changes from day to day you have to be in exactly the same spot... you cannot move around.. move 10 feet and the sun will appear in a different spot from your perspective . So do the stars.. have any of you noticed when you walk at night that the stars appear to move with you?

find the moon with some marker like a the edge of a tree and walk 10 feet and it will not appear in the same place.
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Then how, precisely, does celestial navigation work in your universe? And please explain how GOTOs still work, if what you are claiming is true? There's a good fellow.
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IT IS FLUCATING EVERY DAY NOW. Something is going on. Did YOU actually go out there with a good view and check by the way.. because most of you who post this shit don't. I AM A SUNGAZER for much of my life in fact and I watch these things .
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Prove it, jackass.
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You prove it doesn't. I am no jackass and I am a sun gazer and I log this stuff since I go out to gaze the sun twice a day on my walks.
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OP it was you who started this bullshit thread. It's up to you to prove what you say is true.
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That would be too difficult for the OP, considering that she has the IQ of dog shit.
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now you know why all these men in the public eye are getting fired for sexual harassment. its a good cover story then just quitting their jobs and going underground to safety and the sheep just believe that they are perverts while they will get slaughtered for what is almost here.
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Clear skies this afternoon,Then bombed with Chem/Con trails right at moon rise.I am talking 6-8 planes in a 20 min period.
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bump and if the one above that is claiming the north star does not move and stays at this so called center... He/she has never observed it... You can set up a simple tube with the North star in it.. Toilet paper ones work great... and you can then see it does move.. it does that every single night.. go out a couple hours later and it won't be in the tube anymore... this is not new.. its been that way for 10 years since I started doing that experiment. You folks can stop posting internet bs as a substitute for really thinking and observation.
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That simply isn't true. My Pringle's can wobble buster (tm) has the North Star in it all year round. Likewise, sextants still work. Permanently mounted telescopes still work.
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Its been a couple years since I did this and I have done it several times... Perhaps your pringle jar is too big.
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I heard the comment "isn't the sun setting earlier than it did last year?"

So, I looked up on G-gle when it is supposed to set where I am: 5:02.

Then I went out and watched it set. I am up high - a mountain top, so if anything, it should be a few minutes later - right?

It set at 4:49.

If you are west of the Rockies - go out and watch it set - compare what you see with the official sunset data. Simpy type

"Sunset, December 2, 2017 in Phoenix, AZ" - or wherever you are, and compare.


damned
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In the UK the sunset is on time. No difference, not early and not late.
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and you check that how often personally by standing out there and LOOKING??????????????
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bump and if the one above that is claiming the north star does not move and stays at this so called center... He/she has never observed it... You can set up a simple tube with the North star in it.. Toilet paper ones work great... and you can then see it does move.. it does that every single night.. go out a couple hours later and it won't be in the tube anymore... this is not new.. its been that way for 10 years since I started doing that experiment. You folks can stop posting internet bs as a substitute for really thinking and observation.
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That simply isn't true. My Pringle's can wobble buster (tm) has the North Star in it all year round. Likewise, sextants still work. Permanently mounted telescopes still work.
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Its been a couple years since I did this and I have done it several times... Perhaps your pringle jar is too big.
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Kochab is not Polaris.

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You have to go where the days are longer and the nights are stronger than moonshine.
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bump and if the one above that is claiming the north star does not move and stays at this so called center... He/she has never observed it... You can set up a simple tube with the North star in it.. Toilet paper ones work great... and you can then see it does move.. it does that every single night.. go out a couple hours later and it won't be in the tube anymore... this is not new.. its been that way for 10 years since I started doing that experiment. You folks can stop posting internet bs as a substitute for really thinking and observation.
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That simply isn't true. My Pringle's can wobble buster (tm) has the North Star in it all year round. Likewise, sextants still work. Permanently mounted telescopes still work.
 Quoting: 74444


Its been a couple years since I did this and I have done it several times... Perhaps your pringle jar is too big.
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Perhaps you are observing the wrong star...?
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There's a new guy driving the sun, and he's not experienced enough to get it just right. The old guy retired, but in his day he was on schedule to the millisecond.
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Sunrise and sunset. For computational purposes, sunrise or sunset is defined to occur when the geometric zenith distance of center of the Sun is 90.8333 degrees. That is, the center of the Sun is geometrically 50 arcminutes below a horizontal plane. For an observer at sea level with a level, unobstructed horizon, under average atmospheric conditions, the upper limb of the Sun will then appear to be tangent to the horizon. The 50-arcminute geometric depression of the Sun's center used for the computations is obtained by adding the average apparent radius of the Sun (16 arcminutes) to the average amount of atmospheric refraction at the horizon (34 arcminutes).

When you doofuses who believe sunrise/sunset varies from printed tables: Use this information to make the calculations from your locations. Then get back with us if you still have significant variations. Thank you...
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bump and if the one above that is claiming the north star does not move and stays at this so called center... He/she has never observed it... You can set up a simple tube with the North star in it.. Toilet paper ones work great... and you can then see it does move.. it does that every single night.. go out a couple hours later and it won't be in the tube anymore... this is not new.. its been that way for 10 years since I started doing that experiment. You folks can stop posting internet bs as a substitute for really thinking and observation.
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That simply isn't true. My Pringle's can wobble buster (tm) has the North Star in it all year round. Likewise, sextants still work. Permanently mounted telescopes still work.
 Quoting: 74444


Its been a couple years since I did this and I have done it several times... Perhaps your pringle jar is too big.
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Perhaps you are observing the wrong star...?
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NOPE.. I know where is the North star since a kid.
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Sunrise this morning was at 7:16 here where I am.

G-gle says it was 7:08

I missed sunset today. But hopefully, there are more to come.

I realized today that a wobble would explain the oceans receding and then rushing back several hours later.
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Sunrise this morning was at 7:16 here where I am.

G-gle says it was 7:08

I missed sunset today. But hopefully, there are more to come.

I realized today that a wobble would explain the oceans receding and then rushing back several hours later.
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Maybe you should fix your clocks?
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St. Louis also. Is the earth on a wobble?
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Earth is wobbling in both rotation and tilt... yes. and more of you will notice as it worsens. It is however nothing to worry about in one sense.. you can't prepare anyway.
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Yes you can..you can get away from coastal regions and or even move toward more elevation etc to avoid tidal wave when the shift happens.
That is environmental prep...then of course comes stocking food...water...first aid etc.
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Again, I have observation evidence that contradicts this claim -- evidence anyone can duplicate for themselves, with precision equipment designed to measure exactly this.

Every year, as we get from solstice to solstice, these claims pop up. Yet, year after year, the Sun, Moon, stars, continue to move with breathtaking precision.

If you really think that the Sun is moving in any unpredictable way, I urge you to join a local star party, and go measure for yourself.
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And yet it set exactly when it was supposed to where I am.


Dumbass.
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IT IS FLUCATING EVERY DAY NOW. Something is going on. Did YOU actually go out there with a good view and check by the way.. because most of you who post this shit don't. I AM A SUNGAZER for much of my life in fact and I watch these things .
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Yawn...so are many others ... Pointless to debate because you have already decided.
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Sunrise this morning was at 7:16 here where I am.

G-gle says it was 7:08

I missed sunset today. But hopefully, there are more to come.

I realized today that a wobble would explain the oceans receding and then rushing back several hours later.
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Maybe you should fix your clocks?
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hesright
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It was fucking cold and rainy'ere: nobody goes out to watch sunset times, we stay at home all warmed up and drink rakia.
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Missed sunrise.

Sunset was 4:50PM - G-gle time and official charts said it would be at 5:02 - 12 minutes difference.


As for the shills, so far you have insisted:

Government paid scientists can be trusted

Government controlled media can be trusted

Government funded telescopes can be trusted.


Hmmm. . . what does that make you?

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Missed sunrise.

Sunset was 4:50PM - G-gle time and official charts said it would be at 5:02 - 12 minutes difference.


As for the shills, so far you have insisted:

Government paid scientists can be trusted

Government controlled media can be trusted

Government funded telescopes can be trusted.


Hmmm. . . what does that make you?
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Drive to work east every morning. Fall sun always in eyes, brutal. This fall different, sun way south no issues with visibility at all. Something is different. South Alberta.
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Missed sunrise.

Sunset was 4:50PM - G-gle time and official charts said it would be at 5:02 - 12 minutes difference.


As for the shills, so far you have insisted:

Government paid scientists can be trusted

Government controlled media can be trusted

Government funded telescopes can be trusted.


Hmmm. . . what does that make you?
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GOTOs are not government funded.

You can *buy your own.*

Your inability to address this simple point speaks volumes.

Hmmm...what does that make you?
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Missed sunrise.

Sunset was 4:50PM - G-gle time and official charts said it would be at 5:02 - 12 minutes difference.


As for the shills, so far you have insisted:

Government paid scientists can be trusted

Government controlled media can be trusted

Government funded telescopes can be trusted.


Hmmm. . . what does that make you?
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retards2
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It would be the number one fucking headline on all stations in all nations.
It would be the biggest story ever.... and all of the experts in the field would be going crazy, but somehow you think they’re all in agreement world wide to keep it on the downlow.
Use your brain for its intended purpose for a change..
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Actually, I was responding to this guy and another one I don't want to take the time to look for now.

Your argument, 7444-something, seemed ridiculous to me. I have no trouble seeing the sun set without a telescope. Incidentally, I can see the sunrise with my naked eyes as well. So can anyone else reading this.

So please . . . people, look at the sunset and sunrise and note the times - share them here, so we can all benefit from mass anecdotal evidence.

And then, notice miraculously how MSM will suddenly mentioned a "reason" for sunset and sunrise times being a little off recently. LOL.




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Your argument, 7444-something, seemed ridiculous to me. I have no trouble seeing the sun set without a telescope. Incidentally, I can see the sunrise with my naked eyes as well. So can anyone else reading this.

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Sure you can see the Sun. But you aren't *measuring* it.

If the Sun were an *amazing* 12 or 13 minutes off, every telescope would be 12 or 13 arc-minutes off in targeting anything in the heavens. That's a ridiculously huge margin. And no telescope, anywhere, has a mechanism that could adapt to such a change.

Since that demonstrably hasn't happened (telescopes continue to track the heavens just fine, thank you), I am thinking that you are somehow mistaken in your eyeballing it. Since we see no other consequences arising from such a massive change, it is tantamount to proof that no such change has occurred.

As an aside, please note the zillions of posts here on GLP, going back *years* and always near a solstice, about the Sun supposedly being out of place. Yet Stonehenge still lines up. Yet, you can still get an accurate latitude from sextants. Yet Eclipses and transits occur as predicted decades and centuries ago. And yet, GOTO telescopes can accurately track the heavens.

QED.
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Your argument, 7444-something, seemed ridiculous to me. I have no trouble seeing the sun set without a telescope. Incidentally, I can see the sunrise with my naked eyes as well. So can anyone else reading this.

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Sure you can see the Sun. But you aren't *measuring* it.

If the Sun were an *amazing* 12 or 13 minutes off, every telescope would be 12 or 13 arc-minutes off in targeting anything in the heavens. That's a ridiculously huge margin. And no telescope, anywhere, has a mechanism that could adapt to such a change.

Since that demonstrably hasn't happened (telescopes continue to track the heavens just fine, thank you), I am thinking that you are somehow mistaken in your eyeballing it. Since we see no other consequences arising from such a massive change, it is tantamount to proof that no such change has occurred.

As an aside, please note the zillions of posts here on GLP, going back *years* and always near a solstice, about the Sun supposedly being out of place. Yet Stonehenge still lines up. Yet, you can still get an accurate latitude from sextants. Yet Eclipses and transits occur as predicted decades and centuries ago. And yet, GOTO telescopes can accurately track the heavens.

QED.
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Thank you for trying harder. It makes discussion more possible.

I looked for any threads on GLP about the sun setting earlier - threads that are older than 5 years. (This didn't happen suddenly.)

Nada. No anecdotal witness threads. Would you care to point out a few for me?
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Thank you for trying harder. It makes discussion more possible.
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Most welcome.

I looked for any threads on GLP about the sun setting earlier - threads that are older than 5 years. (This didn't happen suddenly.)

Nada. No anecdotal witness threads. Would you care to point out a few for me?
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Sure.

Here are *some* of the Sun-too-far-some-direction over the years.

2016
Thread: I don't give a shit what anybody says, the fucking sun is practically setting NORTH.
Thread: What Is Causing The Sun To Tilt Off Its Axis?
Thread: Whats up with the Sun?
Thread: DOOM ? : Sun Isn't Setting in the West Now
Thread: Tilting sun..?!
Thread: The sun is rising too far north...with nasa proof.
Thread: :/- THE SUN IS SETTING NORTH -/:
Thread: SUN HAS SET 20 MINUTES TOO EARLY - JULY 3rd, 2016
Thread: Sun is about 17+ degrees too far North? - North Star has Moved East about 4 degrees?
Thread: WTF?! The sun is rising from the north!
Thread: the earth shifted or the sun moved
Thread: Sun not setting where it should.
Thread: The Sun Appears to be setting in the North West
Thread: Is the sun setting further North than it used to?

2014
Thread: What's with all the threads about weird solar motion lately?

2013
Thread: The Sun Is Seriously setting way Too Far North


2012
Thread: Sun Rising from SSE 154 degree When it Should be SSE between 120 to 130 degrees on compass in winter.
Thread: The sun set waaaay too far south today
Thread: Sun Almost Rising In The SOUTH!
Thread: sun in wrong place...cant believe im even thinking it...tell me when i made the mistake....uk
Thread: IS the Sun rising much further to the North or what
Thread: Have You Noticed The Sun Has "Moved"? Post Your Evidence / Stories Here!
Thread: The Sun Was Supposed To Set At 4:41 Central Time In Missouri, 12/18 , Still Hasn't Set At 5:01
Thread: Something is happening.....Sun rises late in Iceland (it was rising early last year)
Thread: Sun setting almost due South
Thread: Sun Did NOT Rise On TIME This AM
Thread: The Sun Was Supposed To Set At 4:41 And It's Still Very Bright Outside
Thread: Sun Rising in Wrong Direction?
Thread: The Sun Was Supposed To Set At 4:41 Central Time And It's Still Very Bright Outside
Thread: The Sun Is Setting Much Later Than It Is Predicted To On The Official Charts
Thread: Did the sun set later than normal today?
Thread: Somethings wrong... The sun is not setting when it should...
Thread: OH CRAP the sun isnot where it should be!!
Thread: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?

2011
Thread: The Sun is Setting too far to the North for May
Thread: The sun set last night North of due west. That's new.
Thread: WEST COAST US: Sun Setting in the NORTHWEST, set in the SOUTHWEST 2 days ago
Thread: sun setting further north
Thread: >>>>>The Sun is in the Wrong Location !!!!! PROOF SUN SETS IN NORTHWEST NOW/// ----> is this normal??????
Thread: The moon is much too far south. It's supposed to be overhead like the sun is!!!!!!!! Moon has been knocked below the ecliptic. What's going
Thread: Why is the Sun setting farther south?

2010
Thread: Sun is too far South for this time of year in the Northern Hemisphere
Thread: Did anybody notice that the Sun rose in the South today? Very odd - what is going on?
Thread: WTF The sun set DUE WEST tonight and rose this morning in the SOUTH SOUTH EAST !!! (Page 8)

2009
Thread: SOMETHING REALLY IS WRONG. SUN COMING UP IN NORTH AT 2:30 AM
Thread: The Sun is Rising Due North cant even pretend its East
Thread: SOME REALLY IS WRONG. SUN COMING UP IN NORTH AT 2:30 AM
Thread: GLP *Hurry* is correct-The SUN is setting way north
Thread: Sun much too much north or...
Thread: SUN MOVING SOUTH BEFORE SOLSTICE?

2008
Thread: Is it just me, or is the sun too far North!?!?! WTF!?!?!
Thread: the sun is too far west... no matter what anyone sayz!

2006
Thread: Did anybody else notice how far Noth the Sun rose today?
Thread: SUN RISING IN THE SOUTH?

Worse: this is an *excerpt.* There are many more.
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You prove it doesn't. I am no jackass and I am a sun gazer and I log this stuff since I go out to gaze the sun twice a day on my walks.
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Why is it that you morons do not understand the concept that if you make the claim, then you provide the proof?
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Put up or shut up. Where's your proof, shill? We have multiple anecdotal witnesses of a fact. You, on the other hand are the only one here spouting an opinion that cannot be proved. They pay you way too much.
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It would be the number one fucking headline on all stations in all nations.
It would be the biggest story ever.... and all of the experts in the field would be going crazy, but somehow you think they’re all in agreement world wide to keep it on the downlow.
Use your brain for its intended purpose for a change..
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^^^^ THIS





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