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okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?

 
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"Extended out... The only unsteady rocking motion that could be felt by them is if the $change$ stopped dropping in their pockets.."


Funny quote about the sell-out nature of the debunkers here. So many reports of an out of place Sun ... Hmmm.

Remember folks, it's the usual debunkers ie. Duncan Kunz, User# 74444, User# 88145, Dr Postman, Circuit Breaker, The CommonHater, who all state that the Sun has not changed in colour to whiter and has not in any way become brighter.

This obvious LIE and the fact that every one of them argues on the same side of the debate (also watch the way they insult and call everybody idiots seeing changes), when we can clearly see a brighter and whiter Sun exposes them for who they are. They are associated and they always back each other up, usually in clumps of posts. And these are the very same people who tell us their GoTo scopes are still functioning properly. Hmmmm, pretty hard to believe them anymore, with all the more than obvious deceit!
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I crawled out of my bed at 4.00 am today morning. And yes, the Moon was in the right place the right time. However, I noticed that Polaris was too high in the sky. I live at 49°26' northern latitude, so Polaris should be at 49.5 degrees over the horizon. However, it was at least 55 degrees. My eyes didnt deceive me. I drew a line from the horizon through Polaris to the point straight over my head. Polaris should divide that line about 5:4. However it was divided like 2:1 (meaning 60 degrees high). As I said, it was at least 55 degrees high. Odd!

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If what you claim were true, then every polar mounted telescope in the world, including 8 of them at my observatory, would not track and long exposure astrophotography would be impossible. You are clearly wrong since they all work just fine.
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
"Extended out... The only unsteady rocking motion that could be felt by them is if the $change$ stopped dropping in their pockets.."


Funny quote about the sell-out nature of the debunkers here. So many reports of an out of place Sun ... Hmmm.

Remember folks, it's the usual debunkers ie. Duncan Kunz, User# 74444, User# 88145, Dr Postman, Circuit Breaker, The CommonHater, who all state that the Sun has not changed in colour to whiter and has not in any way become brighter.

This obvious LIE and the fact that every one of them argues on the same side of the debate (also watch the way they insult and call everybody idiots seeing changes), when we can clearly see a brighter and whiter Sun exposes them for who they are. They are associated and they always back each other up, usually in clumps of posts. And these are the very same people who tell us their GoTo scopes are still functioning properly. Hmmmm, pretty hard to believe them anymore, with all the more than obvious deceit!
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Please post outside links to out of place sun.

Please post outside links to sun being brighter and whiter.
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
"Extended out... The only unsteady rocking motion that could be felt by them is if the $change$ stopped dropping in their pockets.."


Funny quote about the sell-out nature of the debunkers here. So many reports of an out of place Sun ... Hmmm.

Remember folks, it's the usual debunkers ie. Duncan Kunz, User# 74444, User# 88145, Dr Postman, Circuit Breaker, The CommonHater, who all state that the Sun has not changed in colour to whiter and has not in any way become brighter.

This obvious LIE and the fact that every one of them argues on the same side of the debate (also watch the way they insult and call everybody idiots seeing changes), when we can clearly see a brighter and whiter Sun exposes them for who they are. They are associated and they always back each other up, usually in clumps of posts. And these are the very same people who tell us their GoTo scopes are still functioning properly. Hmmmm, pretty hard to believe them anymore, with all the more than obvious deceit!


Please post outside links to out of place sun.

Please post outside links to sun being brighter and whiter.
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He won't because the only place you'll fine this crap is on woo woo sites where people don't know any better.
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
In Central Europe the Sun sets 10 minutes later, should be 19:31, were 19:41, and more north. I have checked it with three PC programs. Likewise Venus. I don´t know why, but it is a fact.
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
In Central Europe the Sun sets 10 minutes later, should be 19:31, were 19:41, and more north. I have checked it with three PC programs. Likewise Venus. I don´t know why, but it is a fact.
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What is you lat and long and what time do you calculate it should set or rise and where?
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
Not only the Eskimos but people in different countries allover the world are commenting on this.

England, Spain, Germany, Usa, Australia...

Guess they are all wrong or trying to get some conspiracy going?


Where are they commenting on this?
Outside link please.
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If you look at the dates when it was posted on glp and the date the inuit message came out you will see it is all around the same date and that the messages started appearing on glp from people with different AC numbers claiming to be posting from different countries however experiencing the same thing BEFORE the messages from the inuit people started appearing.

That for me is enough to see something IS going on.
If it is not for you then maybe you have a problem...
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I can also add that I live in the south of europe and the sun at midday is higher as usual for this time of year.
Its like it would be end may. Now you cannot debunk my own observation.
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"If what you claim were true, then every polar mounted telescope in the world, including 8 of them at my observatory, would not track and long exposure astrophotography would be impossible. You are clearly wrong since they all work just fine."


The arrogance of the debunkers shows NO bounds. And their deceit is everywhere and often overstated.
This debunker is stating that he KNOWS what every telescope in the world is seeing. He can only speak for the ones he uses ... not every one in the world as he implies. Talk about trying too hard. And BTW, no credible astronomer or no acknowledged scientist in the world would speak about what somebody else's equipment might have been seeing. Scientists rely on personal observation, not conjecture about what everybody else "must" be seeing.

The debunkers continue to expose themselves as anybody BUT who they say they are. (((shaking head)))
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
"If what you claim were true, then every polar mounted telescope in the world, including 8 of them at my observatory, would not track and long exposure astrophotography would be impossible. You are clearly wrong since they all work just fine."

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"If what you claim were true, then every person seeing the sunrise changing in the world, including the Inuit people that surely track the sun more then you do, would be lying and conspiring and that would be impossible. You are clearly wrong since they all see what they see just fine."
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
This debunker is stating that he KNOWS what every telescope in the world is seeing. He can only speak for the ones he uses ... not every one in the world as he implies.
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What motion of the Earth could possibly cause SOME telescopes to continue moving properly, while causing OTHERS to fail, hm?

Go ahead and describe it. If you can.
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
I crawled out of my bed at 4.00 am today morning. And yes, the Moon was in the right place the right time. However, I noticed that Polaris was too high in the sky. I live at 49°26' northern latitude, so Polaris should be at 49.5 degrees over the horizon. However, it was at least 55 degrees. My eyes didnt deceive me. I drew a line from the horizon through Polaris to the point straight over my head. Polaris should divide that line about 5:4. However it was divided like 2:1 (meaning 60 degrees high). As I said, it was at least 55 degrees high. Odd!

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Superb report German Guy!

This tilt of the N Pole toward the Sun, to simulate seasons during the halted orbit of Earth, is comon. Most sighting on Polaris just look North and say 'oh, there it is' and adjust their scopes to look for whatever they are seeking, using Polaris as an anchor.

It would be the Azimuth of Polaris that would relate to the lurch of the N Pole toward Planet X, showing up since March and documented by many around the world. Do you recall, was Polaris dead North, or slightly East or West?

By the way, I'm German too! Solid, in family line. Did you know that most patents are from folks of German descent? Logical mechanical minds! Sure shows up here!
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Well, your logical mechanical mind should be able to suss this out... If the North Star has moved 60 degrees, why do objects still spin around it?
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Please post outside links to out of place sun.

Please post outside links to sun being brighter and whiter.


He won't because the only place you'll fine this crap is on woo woo sites where people don't know any better.
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You really need a link?
How about going outside and check for yourself?
How old are you? Are you to young to see for yourself that our sun has changed? How about the weather? Haven´t noticed anything strange there either? Do you ever notice anything strange or "out of your order"?
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By the way, I'm German too! Solid, in family line. Did you know that most patents are from folks of German descent? Logical mechanical minds! Sure shows up here!
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Yes, a mechanical mind in a solid state, nanotech world.

Are you hoping, that like a stopped clock, you will be right twice a day? That would be quite an improvement over your 100% dead, flat, wrong record.

What part of your mechanical mind told you to start killing puppies, nanzeta LIEDer?

Oh yes, you really need to hire a better class of paid shill, troll and disinformation agent. Your current pair is utterly pathetic.
non sufficit Orbis

Being a zetatard means never having to make sense.

"Nancy pays me to post on Her threads"

Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill

NO max/bridget EVER!!!!!
NO luser EVER!!!
NO clunker EVER!!!!!
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
Why cant people imagine anything outside of their booklet? Can you understand that maybe our baby science cannot explain everything. That they might be wrong? How can you attack people for what they think is true without even opening up to their story because your silly science does not permit you.

You know what science means?
It means observing something and start to guess what might be going on. That is exactly what open minded people do.
Not everything has a logical explanation. We are just peabrain people not having a clue of what is going on. But you with all your invented science believe to hold the truth.

The day you wake up you will be in for a nasty surprise.

Open your mind now!
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SUN MOON ROTATION / HALTED ORBIT

These issues of how the Sun and Moon can continue to match the clock in their rotation have been repeatedly addressed in this chat, on Feb 3 and Jan 27. Note: questioner put Nancy on the wrong page by suggesting the day would be short in a halted orbit, by 4 minutes, when the OPPOSITE is true. Yes, Nancy as translator can distort the message if she has a different idea in her head. However, the Zetas were relaying the correct concept of synching to the Sun each day at noon or the Moon synching to parts in the Universe 13 times a year, regardless of how Nancy might have been scrambled by the questioners deliberate ploys.
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CHRIST, are you STILL repeating this lie?????? The people questioning your claim did NOT mislead you. We stated the rotation situation CORRECTLY and you stubbornly kept restating your error. Then, you finally admitted the error, but blamed ME for "confusing" you. Then, we pointed out to you that you had originally made the error the week BEFORE my statement you said "confused" you. Of course, you then ceased to acknowledge the issue at all.

Nancy, you are a shameless, lying, insipid witch.
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"What motion of the Earth could possibly cause SOME telescopes to continue moving properly, while causing OTHERS to fail, hm?

Go ahead and describe it. If you can."



This debunker fails to understand the scientific process. Such a learned soul!

Once again, you can only speak for your own observations ... not everybody else's. And we all know how trustworthy you guys are. Simple enough???
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
I crawled out of my bed at 4.00 am today morning. And yes, the Moon was in the right place the right time. However, I noticed that Polaris was too high in the sky. I live at 49°26' northern latitude, so Polaris should be at 49.5 degrees over the horizon. However, it was at least 55 degrees. My eyes didnt deceive me. I drew a line from the horizon through Polaris to the point straight over my head. Polaris should divide that line about 5:4. However it was divided like 2:1 (meaning 60 degrees high). As I said, it was at least 55 degrees high. Odd!

hiding


Superb report German Guy!

This tilt of the N Pole toward the Sun, to simulate seasons during the halted orbit of Earth, is comon. Most sighting on Polaris just look North and say 'oh, there it is' and adjust their scopes to look for whatever they are seeking, using Polaris as an anchor.

It would be the Azimuth of Polaris that would relate to the lurch of the N Pole toward Planet X, showing up since March and documented by many around the world. Do you recall, was Polaris dead North, or slightly East or West?

By the way, I'm German too! Solid, in family line. Did you know that most patents are from folks of German descent? Logical mechanical minds! Sure shows up here!
 Quoting: Nancy Lieder


Nancy, your ignorance and your lies show no bounds. Even if people aligned their scopes with an existion position of stars, the MOTION of the sky would still be wrong in your scenario and scopes would not track properly. This would be obvious to the person using the scope within 5 minutes. If what you claim were true, every astronomer on the planet would know about it. Game over, Nancy.
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
"What motion of the Earth could possibly cause SOME telescopes to continue moving properly, while causing OTHERS to fail, hm?

Go ahead and describe it. If you can."



This debunker fails to understand the scientific process. Such a learned soul!

Once again, you can only speak for your own observations ... not everybody else's. And we all know how trustworthy you guys are. Simple enough???
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He didn't speak of any observations at all. He asked you a question, which you dodged.
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
The sun set in a red horizon this evening to the extreme north west. I have never seen it set that far north.
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
"What motion of the Earth could possibly cause SOME telescopes to continue moving properly, while causing OTHERS to fail, hm?

Go ahead and describe it. If you can."



This debunker fails to understand the scientific process. Such a learned soul!

Once again, you can only speak for your own observations ... not everybody else's. And we all know how trustworthy you guys are. Simple enough???
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Well, he's right, you know. The scientific process is observing, and then explaining the observed.

How can the Sun rise and set correctly from one point of view on Earth, while being 60 degrees off somewhere else? I can't imagine a movement that would accomplish that. If you can, please describe it.

Take a globe and a lamp. Now spin the glove so the lamp would appear to rise and set from the surface. Pick a dot on the ceiling that can be the North Star, and line up the globe's pole with it.

Now, move the Earth in such a way that the dot stays lined up with the pole, but the lamps "rise and set" moves 60 degrees.

Did you do it?

How?
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The sun set in a red horizon this evening to the extreme north west. I have never seen it set that far north.
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Kindly define "extreme north west" and "that far north". Please be specific. Can't? Oh... what a surprise!
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
Let me guess. Your a paid debunker?

Consider true north and true west. It was to the extreme north west as in using a compass. Leaning more towards the north.
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
Let me guess. Your a paid debunker?

Consider true north and true west. It was to the extreme north west as in using a compass. Leaning more towards the north.
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Bzzt. Your guess is wrong. Ridiculously wrong. Just the fact that you would ask that question shows how much you have bought into Nancy's crapola.

I understand what "north" and "west" are, except what do YOU mean by "true north" and how did you determine "true north"?
I see that you go on to say "compass". Do you know what DECLINATION is, how it affects compass readings and what the deviation is for your area?
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Let me guess. Your a paid debunker?

Consider true north and true west. It was to the extreme north west as in using a compass. Leaning more towards the north.
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By the way... even though all your internet buddies would also use "your" as you do in your sentence above, it should read: "YOU'RE a paid debunker?" not "your" since you were meaning YOU ARE in the sentence.
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
Please post outside links to out of place sun.

Please post outside links to sun being brighter and whiter.


He won't because the only place you'll fine this crap is on woo woo sites where people don't know any better.



You really need a link?
How about going outside and check for yourself?
How old are you? Are you to young to see for yourself that our sun has changed? How about the weather? Haven´t noticed anything strange there either? Do you ever notice anything strange or "out of your order"?
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no

I agree,


Please post outside links to out of place sun.

Please post outside links to sun being brighter and whiter.

Anywhere other than GLP

Thanks!
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
In Central Europe the Sun sets 10 minutes later, should be 19:31, were 19:41, and more north. I have checked it with three PC programs. Likewise Venus. I don´t know why, but it is a fact.

What is you lat and long and what time do you calculate it should set or rise and where?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 222828

48° North 17° East. It should set 7:31 PM (yesterday) circa 285° (azimuth) - it were 10 min later and some 3 degrees more north.
Venus should set circa 22:45; actualy it was later.
I did not calculate or observe the rise.
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
I crawled out of my bed at 4.00 am today morning. And yes, the Moon was in the right place the right time. However, I noticed that Polaris was too high in the sky. I live at 49°26' northern latitude, so Polaris should be at 49.5 degrees over the horizon. However, it was at least 55 degrees. My eyes didnt deceive me. I drew a line from the horizon through Polaris to the point straight over my head. Polaris should divide that line about 5:4. However it was divided like 2:1 (meaning 60 degrees high). As I said, it was at least 55 degrees high. Odd!

hiding


Superb report German Guy!

This tilt of the N Pole toward the Sun, to simulate seasons during the halted orbit of Earth, is comon. Most sighting on Polaris just look North and say 'oh, there it is' and adjust their scopes to look for whatever they are seeking, using Polaris as an anchor.

It would be the Azimuth of Polaris that would relate to the lurch of the N Pole toward Planet X, showing up since March and documented by many around the world. Do you recall, was Polaris dead North, or slightly East or West?

By the way, I'm German too! Solid, in family line. Did you know that most patents are from folks of German descent? Logical mechanical minds! Sure shows up here!
 Quoting: Nancy Lieder


Thanks for the compliment, Nancy. I remember Polaris was dead North. Although I had a sixtant with me, I could not measure it because of the darkness and Polaris is not bright enough to see it in the mirror of the sextant. But there was a metal plate on the tower (where I make all my astronomical observations) with a sky rose showing the exact North. But I DO recall that Polaris was too high in the sky.

Will observe the sky again tonight. Only 7 hours until darkness from now etc.
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
I crawled out of my bed at 4.00 am today morning. And yes, the Moon was in the right place the right time. However, I noticed that Polaris was too high in the sky. I live at 49°26' northern latitude, so Polaris should be at 49.5 degrees over the horizon. However, it was at least 55 degrees. My eyes didnt deceive me. I drew a line from the horizon through Polaris to the point straight over my head. Polaris should divide that line about 5:4. However it was divided like 2:1 (meaning 60 degrees high). As I said, it was at least 55 degrees high. Odd!

hiding


If what you claim were true, then every polar mounted telescope in the world, including 8 of them at my observatory, would not track and long exposure astrophotography would be impossible. You are clearly wrong since they all work just fine.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 222828


I saw what I saw! And my visual judgement is good. I know this from a test a few years back. I hardly care what the deflunkers say, I honestly report my observation.





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