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okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?

 
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
IF it is a case of Planet X incomming then Nancy should back up her data with good, no solar flare photography. ALL we have seen is bad solar photos posted around the net by amatuars who know how to point and click a camera but not how to use one. ALL photos posted are pure bunk.
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This thread was not even my thread, started by others. This PHOTO is also not by a ZetaTalk fan, as the photographer is clueless as to what he has captured! On the C2C website.

[link to www.coasttocoastam.com]

Note the sun rising to the left, this orb which is several times the size of Venus (as Planet X is) is along the Ecliptic, shrouded in red dust, and only visible because of the clarity of the morning sky, NOT clouded by the increasing fogging of chemtrails we are experiencing. Do chemtrail and the visiblity of this interloper relate? Oh yeah!
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I highly doubt that the photographer was clueless. The publicly posted claim is that he/she saw a red orb in the sky, but I maintain that this was a staged hoax. All you need is a red spotlight off camera. See here: [link to i134.photobucket.com]

As for the "red orb" being on the ecliptic, - rubbish. That lens flare was nowhere near the ecliptic.
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
MIC & GERMAN GUY

Sagt mal, glaubt ihr diesen Schwachsinn allen Ernstes?

Denkt doch mal nach!

Warum gibt es keine Beweise?

zum Beispiel: eine Webcam, die den Sonnenaufgang zeigt,
da müsste das doch zu sehen sein, dass sich die Position
ändert.


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Dear SUN-OUT-OF-POSITION-BELIEVERS

give me a proof - just a webcam showing the sunrise every
day, so we can see the sun rising in different places

I BET YOU CAN NOT, CAUSE EVERYTHING IS AS IT SHOULD BE

If not, it would be so easy to proof - Just do it if you can
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
I agree with above poster as well..I don't believe in infalibility of these instruments especially with the limited knowledge some of these supposed learned people demonstrate in othe areas.. 99% of everything out there is unknown.. Isn't that the latest from NASA
that and knowing they account to the Government and we all know about their propensity towards lying
Think of how we are keep in the dark of ET pressence and crop circles etc...
I doubt rather highly they would shed the proper light on this phenominon either. Kinda like a no brainer.
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
Recently I saw the moon to be at a totally wrong place. This was rather a feeling and I didn't check it out. We had 28° Celsius here in Germany on April 15th. This is simply abnormal. To weeks ago we had deep winter. My nose tells me that there is something seriously wrong.
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Where was the Moon when you say it was "wrong" and where SHOULD it have been? If you can't answer those questions, your comments are useless. Sorry, but just your "feelings" that you didn't "check out" are worthless in determining whether the Moon was truly out of place.
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Menow
I'am also sorry but whether I answer questions or not is depending on who is asking them. I would assign the attribut "worthless" rather to comments like yours. What you in your mind define as useless does not necessarily count for the rest of us.

Regards

Mic
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Mic, your statement about "feeling" that things are out of place is worthless because it can not be cross-checked. You offer no measurements or time references, of any kind. We can't just take your word for it; we have to be able to verify what you say for ourselves. It is by scientific standards that your statement is of no worth. For you to dispute this, you must have a gripe with science and accuracy.

Naturally, your only defense is to accuse Menow's request for information as useless. You motto is most likely "I'm made of rubber and you're made of glue. What-ever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you." Childish.
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
Recently I saw the moon to be at a totally wrong place. This was rather a feeling and I didn't check it out. We had 28° Celsius here in Germany on April 15th. This is simply abnormal. To weeks ago we had deep winter. My nose tells me that there is something seriously wrong.


Where was the Moon when you say it was "wrong" and where SHOULD it have been? If you can't answer those questions, your comments are useless. Sorry, but just your "feelings" that you didn't "check out" are worthless in determining whether the Moon was truly out of place.


Menow
I'am also sorry but whether I answer questions or not is depending on who is asking them. I would assign the attribut "worthless" rather to comments like yours. What you in your mind define as useless does not necessarily count for the rest of us.

Regards

Mic
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So, you stand by your "feeling" that the Moon was in the wrong place in spite of all evidence to the contrary? How cute. If you don't even know where the Moon is SUPPOSED to be, how can you say it is "wrong"??
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
Recently I saw the moon to be at a totally wrong place. This was rather a feeling and I didn't check it out. We had 28° Celsius here in Germany on April 15th. This is simply abnormal. To weeks ago we had deep winter. My nose tells me that there is something seriously wrong.


Where was the Moon when you say it was "wrong" and where SHOULD it have been? If you can't answer those questions, your comments are useless. Sorry, but just your "feelings" that you didn't "check out" are worthless in determining whether the Moon was truly out of place.


Menow
I'am also sorry but whether I answer questions or not is depending on who is asking them. I would assign the attribut "worthless" rather to comments like yours. What you in your mind define as useless does not necessarily count for the rest of us.

Regards

Mic
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BTW this is the above poster I agree with.. Be there any question.. bump
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
Why cant people imagine anything outside of their booklet? Can you understand that maybe our baby science cannot explain everything. That they might be wrong? How can you attack people for what they think is true without even opening up to their story because your silly science does not permit you.

You know what science means?
It means observing something and start to guess what might be going on. That is exactly what open minded people do.
Not everything has a logical explanation. We are just peabrain people not having a clue of what is going on. But you with all your invented science believe to hold the truth.

The day you wake up you will be in for a nasty surprise.

Open your mind now!


I agree with this poster 100 percent. Electromagnetism is at play here and I will bet that the disappearance of the bees and the solar strangeness are intima(ely related. I urge raders to read the bee thread carefully and understand the importance of their disappearing act. Eighnstein warned that when the bees go missing, "man will have four years of life left."
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"It means observing something and start to guess what might be going on."

Sorry, but we do not have to "guess" whether the Moon, Sun or stars are in the wrong places in the sky. Only the totally ignorant have to "guess" about that. Having an "open mind" does not mean that we have to re-invent the wheel each year. We KNOW how sky objects move.
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
Recently I saw the moon to be at a totally wrong place. This was rather a feeling and I didn't check it out. We had 28° Celsius here in Germany on April 15th. This is simply abnormal. To weeks ago we had deep winter. My nose tells me that there is something seriously wrong.


Where was the Moon when you say it was "wrong" and where SHOULD it have been? If you can't answer those questions, your comments are useless. Sorry, but just your "feelings" that you didn't "check out" are worthless in determining whether the Moon was truly out of place.


Menow
I'am also sorry but whether I answer questions or not is depending on who is asking them. I would assign the attribut "worthless" rather to comments like yours. What you in your mind define as useless does not necessarily count for the rest of us.

Regards

Mic

BTW this is the above poster I agree with.. Be there any question.. bump
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So, you agree that people can just "feel" that the Moon is in the wrong place in the sky, and others must just accept that as true without question?
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
OK, I looked. The Sun, Venus and Polaris were in the right places. Nothing extraordinary.
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
OK, I looked. The Sun, Venus and Polaris were in the right places. Nothing extraordinary.
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Thanks for your honesty. *friendly handshake*
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
Recently I saw the moon to be at a totally wrong place. This was rather a feeling and I didn't check it out. We had 28° Celsius here in Germany on April 15th. This is simply abnormal. To weeks ago we had deep winter. My nose tells me that there is something seriously wrong.


Where was the Moon when you say it was "wrong" and where SHOULD it have been? If you can't answer those questions, your comments are useless. Sorry, but just your "feelings" that you didn't "check out" are worthless in determining whether the Moon was truly out of place.


Menow
I'am also sorry but whether I answer questions or not is depending on who is asking them. I would assign the attribut "worthless" rather to comments like yours. What you in your mind define as useless does not necessarily count for the rest of us.

Regards

Mic
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Evasion noted. Typical.
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
I agree with above poster as well..I don't believe in infalibility of these instruments especially with the limited knowledge some of these supposed learned people demonstrate in othe areas.. 99% of everything out there is unknown.. Isn't that the latest from NASA
that and knowing they account to the Government and we all know about their propensity towards lying
Think of how we are keep in the dark of ET pressence and crop circles etc...
I doubt rather highly they would shed the proper light on this phenominon either. Kinda like a no brainer.
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Dee, you're missing the point.

If GOTOs are still tracking, AND the skies are moving as unpredictably as the believers claim -- they somehow the telescopes have a *BETTER* than 100 percent accuracy! They are now predicting completely unpredictable motion.

My question: What mechanism could describe this 'psychic' ability of telescopes to supposedly predict these motions? How do you believe telescopes could adapt to one or twenty or sixty degree changes that are, by defintion, unpredictable and unprecedented? What is your explanation of this?

My explanation is that the sky is NOT moving unpredictably, and the telescope is thus able to track normally, and that people thinking objects are in the wrong place are mistaken. A mundane explanation, I know. What's yours?
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
OK, I looked. The Sun, Venus and Polaris were in the right places. Nothing extraordinary.
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Well... thanks for the input, but can you explain a little more? How did you arrive at your conclusions this time? Was Polaris at a different height than it was last time? If not, can you explain why you thought it was at 60 degrees last time?

If you now see that your previous observation was wrong, will you see to it that Nancy retracts your other claimed "carefull observation" which you now know was incorrect?
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
No I aint joining the jerk circle on this one.. My reasons are my own say, intuitive gut feelings. Nothing you could understand and I sure don't expect you to.

Don't matter to me what you think. Even if gave a good reason you are trained well enough to shoot any opposite point of view in the foot. I just aint up to the nonsense you guys provoke on these kind of topics..
As anything else we aren't suppose to notice or discus the subject always gets blasted and insults are hurled at those who question.

Who cares, people know what they see and can't help but wake up and see through the lies.
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
Mic, your statement about "feeling" that things are out of place is worthless because it can not be cross-checked. You offer no measurements or time references, of any kind. We can't just take your word for it; we have to be able to verify what you say for ourselves. It is by scientific standards that your statement is of no worth. For you to dispute this, you must have a gripe with science and accuracy.

Naturally, your only defense is to accuse Menow's request for information as useless. You motto is most likely "I'm made of rubber and you're made of glue. What-ever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you." Childish.
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No Defence and No Cross Check. I don't want to argue who's right or wrong.

I you believe everthing is in order - that's you opion - not mine.
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
No I aint joining the jerk circle on this one.. My reasons are my own say, intuitive gut feelings. Nothing you could understand and I sure don't expect you to.
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That's unfortunate.

Don't matter to me what you think. Even if gave a good reason you are trained well enough to shoot any opposite point of view in the foot.
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Well, honestly, no one has ever given a good reason. For YEARS questions liek this have gone unanswered. A simple mechanism by which a borign telescope could continue to track the sky if it were movign unpredictably. For some reason, a believers haven't proposed one.

I just aint up to the nonsense you guys provoke on these kind of topics..
As anything else we aren't suppose to notice or discus the subject always gets blasted and insults are hurled at those who question.
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One -- Why would insults matter?

Two -- Insults seems to be hurled at debunkers with at least as much force and vehemence.

Three -- I haven't blasted nor insulted anyone. I've just continually asked my simple question, which no believer ever answers about the predictability of the motions in the heavens.

Who cares, people know what they see and can't help but wake up and see through the lies.
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What lies are being seen through, other than Nancy's lies about a halted Earth, the Sun out of position, Capricorn being difficult to see, and the dozens of other faulty astronomical claims she's made?
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
WHERE IS A WEBCAM_LINK SHOWING THE SUN RISING IN DIFFERENT PLACES?

MIC?

IF ITS FOR REAL, IT IS SO EASY TO PROOF
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
No I aint joining the jerk circle on this one.. My reasons are my own say, intuitive gut feelings. Nothing you could understand and I sure don't expect you to.

Don't matter to me what you think. Even if gave a good reason you are trained well enough to shoot any opposite point of view in the foot. I just aint up to the nonsense you guys provoke on these kind of topics..
As anything else we aren't suppose to notice or discus the subject always gets blasted and insults are hurled at those who question.

Who cares, people know what they see and can't help but wake up and see through the lies.
 Quoting: Dee 223737


Your "reasons" for what? I, for one, have no idea what you are trying to say. Are you trying to say you can "feel" that the Sun, Moon, stars are out of place? That's pretty silly, I think, when you can physically look and see that they are not.

"people know what they see"

Unfortunately, they don't. The movements in the sky are complex and surprising to those who have never really studied them. "German Guy" went back and did some more carefull observation in the last few hours and, low and behold... NOTHING WRONG IN THE SKY! It is only those who do casual "I feel it" type of observations who think something is out of place.

I think you will see that those people who just get mad and start throwing insults are the only ones who continue to insist something is wrong in the sky, and they refuse to look again and really LEARN how the sky works.
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
No Defence and No Cross Check. I don't want to argue who's right or wrong.

I you believe everthing is in order - that's you opion - not mine.
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K, if that's how you want it. As long as you understand that no one can take you seriously until you yourself get serious.

With respect to the sun and moon bing in different parts of the sky - did you know that the ecliptic shifts position in the sky during the course of a day? This is normal, and completely predicted by science: [link to i134.photobucket.com]

This why it happens: [link to www.jgiesen.de]
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Mic, your statement about "feeling" that things are out of place is worthless because it can not be cross-checked. You offer no measurements or time references, of any kind. We can't just take your word for it; we have to be able to verify what you say for ourselves. It is by scientific standards that your statement is of no worth. For you to dispute this, you must have a gripe with science and accuracy.

Naturally, your only defense is to accuse Menow's request for information as useless. You motto is most likely "I'm made of rubber and you're made of glue. What-ever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you." Childish.


No Defence and No Cross Check. I don't want to argue who's right or wrong.

I you believe everthing is in order - that's you opion - not mine.
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Isn't that convenient.... and childish. You just want to prattle: "Something's wrong in the sky", and expect not to be challenged on the details. HAR!
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Mic, your statement about "feeling" that things are out of place is worthless because it can not be cross-checked. You offer no measurements or time references, of any kind. We can't just take your word for it; we have to be able to verify what you say for ourselves. It is by scientific standards that your statement is of no worth. For you to dispute this, you must have a gripe with science and accuracy.

Naturally, your only defense is to accuse Menow's request for information as useless. You motto is most likely "I'm made of rubber and you're made of glue. What-ever you say bounces off of me and sticks to you." Childish.


No Defence and No Cross Check. I don't want to argue who's right or wrong.

I you believe everthing is in order - that's you opion - not mine.
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By the way... NO ONE is saying that "everthing is in order". That is just your lame mischaricterization of our arguement. Learned that from Nancy, dincha!?
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My Sunday's observations:
My place - long 48 dg. E, lat 17 dg. N. (C.Eur.)
Sun: should set 19:32, actualy set 19:42.
Venus: should set 23:10 azimuth 304, actualy set 23:25 azimuth cca 315 (NW).

These days are without clouds here.
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My Sunday's observations:
My place - long 48 dg. E, lat 17 dg. N. (C.Eur.)
Sun: should set 19:32, actualy set 19:42.
Venus: should set 23:10 azimuth 304, actualy set 23:25 azimuth cca 315 (NW).

These days are without clouds here.
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You are measuring azimuth, how?
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Er, long 17 E, lat 48 N.
Regarding azimuth, I only gues, have only compass. But Venus set circa in north-west.
Time of my observations is right cca +/- 2 min, I think.
I have the NW and W horizont slightly hilly.
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MIC & GERMAN GUY

Sagt mal, glaubt ihr diesen Schwachsinn allen Ernstes?

Denkt doch mal nach!

Warum gibt es keine Beweise?

zum Beispiel: eine Webcam, die den Sonnenaufgang zeigt,
da müsste das doch zu sehen sein, dass sich die Position
ändert.


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Dear SUN-OUT-OF-POSITION-BELIEVERS

give me a proof - just a webcam showing the sunrise every
day, so we can see the sun rising in different places

I BET YOU CAN NOT, CAUSE EVERYTHING IS AS IT SHOULD BE

If not, it would be so easy to proof - Just do it if you can
 Quoting: FRACHE 223685


Lieber Frache,
wir sind alles Idioten und warten auf jemanden der uns erleuchtet.
Dear Frache,
we are all idiots and wait for someone to enlight us.
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This should be the story of the century.
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Er, long 17 E, lat 48 N.
Regarding azimuth, I only gues, have only compass. But Venus set circa in north-west.
Time of my observations is right cca +/- 2 min, I think.
I have the NW and W horizont slightly hilly.
 Quoting: Sup 223745


Did you figure the DECLINATION for your area? That can certainly be enough to account for the few compass degrees you say Venus was off.
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we are all idiots and wait for someone to enlight us.
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People are TRYING to enlighten you as to the normal motions of sky objects, but you just want to "feel" it, right?
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Re: okay... who else saw the Sun rising way too far North this morning? More North even than in June.. WTF?
Er, long 17 E, lat 48 N.
Regarding azimuth, I only gues, have only compass. But Venus set circa in north-west.
Time of my observations is right cca +/- 2 min, I think.
I have the NW and W horizont slightly hilly.
 Quoting: Sup 223745


Yet there are many of us here with precision GOTO telescopes that can routinely measure positions to well within an arc-minute (1/60th of a degree and 1/30th the diameter of the moon) who see absolutely nothing amiss. If you are truly interested in accurately measuring the positions of the sun, moon, planets and stars, please find your local astronomy club and attend some of their public "star parties" (generally every month around the new moon) and see for yourself how accurately these things are routinely measured. And while you're there, ask if anyone has ever noticed anything out of place.

Again, if you are truly interested in finding these things for yourself, there are lots of perfectly accurate methods available to anyone. Heck...cheap GOTO telescopes are even aailable at Walmart now. A compass is fraught with inaccuracies, not the only of which is magnetic deviation.
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This should be the story of the century.
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It would be...if it were true. But it's not.





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