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Professor Darwin's Church of 'Evolution': So what exactly is the faith in? Confirmation in total futility?

 
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The great monkey king
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It's a strange faith, he never offered anyone anything but his personal assurance this won't happen;
"Most truly I say to YOU, The hour is coming, and it is now, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God and those who have given heed will live. 26 For just as the Father has life in himself, so he has granted also to the Son to have life in himself. 27 And he has given him authority to do judging, because Son of man he is. 28 Do not marvel at this, because the hour is coming in which all those in the memorial tombs will hear his voice 29 and come out, those who did good things to a resurrection of life, those who practiced vile things to a resurrection of judgment." Jo5:25

"And the wolf will actually reside for a while with the male lamb, and with the kid the leopard itself will lie down, and the calf and the maned young lion and the well-fed animal all together; and a mere little boy will be leader over them. 7 And the cow and the bear themselves will feed; together their young ones will lie down. And even the lion will eat straw just like the bull. 8 And the sucking child will certainly play upon the hole of the cobra; and upon the light aperture of a poisonous snake will a weaned child actually put his own hand. 9 They will not do any harm or cause any ruin in all my holy mountain; because the earth will certainly be filled with the knowledge of Jehovah as the waters are covering the very sea." Isa11:6
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D.N.A isn't totally rewritten between new species. Just very very different. Like, Archosaurs. Archosaurs D.N.A wise are closer to each other than Lepidosaurs (so Crocodiles and Birds will be closer to each other than Crocodiles and Lizards.) One can see it clearly by comparing D.N.A.
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I see there are no arguments against beneficial mutations?
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I see there is no evidence of any mutation ever rewriting any creatures dna and transforming it into an entirely new species.
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thats not how it works
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D.N.A isn't totally rewritten between new species. Just very very different. Like, Archosaurs. Archosaurs D.N.A wise are closer to each other than Lepidosaurs (so Crocodiles and Birds will be closer to each other than Crocodiles and Lizards.) One can see it clearly by comparing D.N.A.
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Between apes and humans it's only what, 1 or 2%
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1 to 2% is huge in the context of D.N.A. Even .1% would be "huge."
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1 to 2% is huge in the context of D.N.A. Even .1% would be "huge."
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looks like these guys got short changed by .01% but who's counting?

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Yes all from creatures that actually lived. S0 show me one fossil of a creature turning into a different one.
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Oh there's one now!

No creature turns into a different one. A creature has a baby that is ever so slightly different and that adds up over generations.

It's like a movie reel, it's all a bunch of single images one after the other that paint a moving picture when seen as a whole.
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So show me a sample fossil trail of this so I know you didn't just make that up.
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"And to Adam he said: “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and took to eating from the tree concerning which I gave you this command, ‘You must not eat from it,’ cursed is the ground on your account. In pain you will eat its produce all the days of your life. 18 And thorns and thistles it will grow for you, and you must eat the vegetation of the field. 19 In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” Ge3;13
So..... the faith proves true?
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Church is for religion, however evolution is based on science, progressive logic, and evidence.

Because religions like Jehovah's Witnesses teach mythical nonsense, it requires "Faith" to believe such drivel. On the other hand, evolution only requires that a person understand logic, evidence, science, and common sense.

However a certain level of intelligence is required to grasp it, unfortunately most JWs dwell in the bottom half of the bell curve.
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Science is a religion, and the god of that religion is gravity
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But you don't require such proof for your religious beliefs.
Its all based on Faith which amounts to " I have no proof at all just trust me".

Why does Evolution require more proof than your religious proof?
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The same with these new age science like theoretical science. They just make up theories that can't be proving
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But you don't require such proof for your religious beliefs.
Its all based on Faith which amounts to " I have no proof at all just trust me".

Why does Evolution require more proof than your religious proof?
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The same with these new age science like theoretical science. They just make up theories that can't be proving
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Because they're trying to say it's fact with no evidence.
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"And to Adam he said: “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and took to eating from the tree concerning which I gave you this command, ‘You must not eat from it,’ cursed is the ground on your account. In pain you will eat its produce all the days of your life. 18 And thorns and thistles it will grow for you, and you must eat the vegetation of the field. 19 In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” Ge3;13
So..... the faith proves true?
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Church is for religion, however evolution is based on science, progressive logic, and evidence.

Because religions like Jehovah's Witnesses teach mythical nonsense, it requires "Faith" to believe such drivel. On the other hand, evolution only requires that a person understand logic, evidence, science, and common sense.

However a certain level of intelligence is required to grasp it, unfortunately most JWs dwell in the bottom half of the bell curve.
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Science is a religion, and the god of that religion is gravity
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I would say science is the study of divine designs and man's feeble attempt to unravel their structural/operational secrets, especially at the molecular and biological levels.
Professor Darwin's supercilious theory of mutation = precision form and function is like telling a simpleton the more wrecks a car gets in the more perfected it becomes until a Corvair morphs into a Corvette, no evidence required, trust me and my infallible intellectual superiority.
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"And to Adam he said: “Because you listened to your wife’s voice and took to eating from the tree concerning which I gave you this command, ‘You must not eat from it,’ cursed is the ground on your account. In pain you will eat its produce all the days of your life. 18 And thorns and thistles it will grow for you, and you must eat the vegetation of the field. 19 In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.” Ge3;13
So..... the faith proves true?
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Church is for religion, however evolution is based on science, progressive logic, and evidence.

Because religions like Jehovah's Witnesses teach mythical nonsense, it requires "Faith" to believe such drivel. On the other hand, evolution only requires that a person understand logic, evidence, science, and common sense.

However a certain level of intelligence is required to grasp it, unfortunately most JWs dwell in the bottom half of the bell curve.
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Science is a religion, and the god of that religion is gravity
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I would say science is the study of divine designs and man's feeble attempt to unravel their structural/operational secrets, especially at the molecular and biological levels.
Professor Darwin's supercilious theory of mutation = precision form and function is like telling a simpleton the more wrecks a car gets in the more perfected it becomes until a Corvair morphs into a Corvette, no evidence required, trust me and my infallible intellectual superiority.
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Science was created to disprove the most high.
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I'll give a fossil trail of birds, another wall of text incoming.

Juravenator, an early theropod raptor. Just another raptor, with feathers and some slight changes in it's hip that would end up resembling those of birds. But still clearly a raptor.

Anchiornis: Lived about 15-20 million years after Juravenator, and it was still very raptor-like, with a long, bony tail, a spine attaching to the back end of the skull unlike birds' attaching to the base, and long legs in the structure of a flightless, endurance hunting raptor. However, it still had feathers, and at this point the wrists were much more flexible, and were now more bird than raptor. Still, very much a raptor.

Archeopterx: Everyone has heard of this, it's a cousin to modern birds. Still has spine attaching to the back of the skull, sickle claws, boned tails, many things you'd expect of raptors. However, it did have fully developed asymmetrical flight feathers, fused furcula from joined clavicles, and backward and elongated pubis not found in primitive theropods.

For the next few tens of millions of years, birds would take on a beak, and would become very much like modern birds, such as Confuciusornis (which independently evolved a toothless beak D:)
By the time we reach Ichthyornis, it is very similar to a modern bird, but has things such as a toothed beak. From here on out, it is just the evolution of new birds, not of raptors to birds.
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Church is for religion, however evolution is based on science, progressive logic, and evidence.

Because religions like Jehovah's Witnesses teach mythical nonsense, it requires "Faith" to believe such drivel. On the other hand, evolution only requires that a person understand logic, evidence, science, and common sense.

However a certain level of intelligence is required to grasp it, unfortunately most JWs dwell in the bottom half of the bell curve.
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Science is a religion, and the god of that religion is gravity
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I would say science is the study of divine designs and man's feeble attempt to unravel their structural/operational secrets, especially at the molecular and biological levels.
Professor Darwin's supercilious theory of mutation = precision form and function is like telling a simpleton the more wrecks a car gets in the more perfected it becomes until a Corvair morphs into a Corvette, no evidence required, trust me and my infallible intellectual superiority.
stoner
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Science was created to disprove the most high.
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Then put your faith in that.
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I'll give a fossil trail of birds, another wall of text incoming.

Juravenator, an early theropod raptor. Just another raptor, with feathers and some slight changes in it's hip that would end up resembling those of birds. But still clearly a raptor.

Anchiornis: Lived about 15-20 million years after Juravenator, and it was still very raptor-like, with a long, bony tail, a spine attaching to the back end of the skull unlike birds' attaching to the base, and long legs in the structure of a flightless, endurance hunting raptor. However, it still had feathers, and at this point the wrists were much more flexible, and were now more bird than raptor. Still, very much a raptor.

Archeopterx: Everyone has heard of this, it's a cousin to modern birds. Still has spine attaching to the back of the skull, sickle claws, boned tails, many things you'd expect of raptors. However, it did have fully developed asymmetrical flight feathers, fused furcula from joined clavicles, and backward and elongated pubis not found in primitive theropods.

For the next few tens of millions of years, birds would take on a beak, and would become very much like modern birds, such as Confuciusornis (which independently evolved a toothless beak D:)
By the time we reach Ichthyornis, it is very similar to a modern bird, but has things such as a toothed beak. From here on out, it is just the evolution of new birds, not of raptors to birds.
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Absolutely zero reason/evidence to pretend a dinosaur mutated downward into a bird.

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The bone structure supports it, the fossil record supports it, and DNA supports it.
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[link to ichef.bbci.co.uk]

The left-most skull is a normal chicken embryo skull, the middle is a chicken embryo that had it's old, useless, disabled genes reactivated, and the third is a crocodile embryo (which, like birds, are a form of archosaur.)
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The bone structure supports it, the fossil record supports it, and DNA supports it.
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The missing link between man and ape is still missing. Thats why it's still a theory. Not to mention 80 percent of prehumans found has been debunked
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Science is a religion, and the god of that religion is gravity
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I would say science is the study of divine designs and man's feeble attempt to unravel their structural/operational secrets, especially at the molecular and biological levels.
Professor Darwin's supercilious theory of mutation = precision form and function is like telling a simpleton the more wrecks a car gets in the more perfected it becomes until a Corvair morphs into a Corvette, no evidence required, trust me and my infallible intellectual superiority.
stoner
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Science was created to disprove the most high.
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Then put your faith in that.
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There are to many holes in some sciences. And science always go back to the bible for reference. For example science says over 90 percent of our DNA is junk.that makes no sense.
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But you don't require such proof for your religious beliefs.
Its all based on Faith which amounts to " I have no proof at all just trust me".

Why does Evolution require more proof than your religious proof?
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The same with these new age science like theoretical science. They just make up theories that can't be proving
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Because they're trying to say it's fact with no evidence.
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There is no fact that came from a one cell organisms.it's just another way to make money and lead people astray, RELIGION
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A theory in SCIENCE is by definition; "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment."

Plus, there have been many human species before us found. At LEAST 50. H.Erectus, Neanderthals, H. tsaichangensis, H.Halibis, H.Naledi, the list goes on.
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The bone structure supports it, the fossil record supports it, and DNA supports it.
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Well didn't do a diligent enough research.
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Oh really? Look at crocodiles. They have disabled genes for feathers. Birds have disabled genes for beak-less, toothed mouths, sickle claws, talons on wings, and bony tails. That's all raptor features.
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A theory in SCIENCE is by definition; "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment."

Plus, there have been many human species before us found. At LEAST 50. H.Erectus, Neanderthals, H. tsaichangensis, H.Halibis, H.Naledi, the list goes on.
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So what is it called when theory has no evidence, but it is still pushed to the masses
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The bone structure supports it, the fossil record supports it, and DNA supports it.
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Yeah I can see the similarity between the 3 ton dino leg bone structure and the hollow 12 oz, bird legs. Somehow I see zero fossil record of a dinosaur devolving into a bird, must be a secret? DNA specifies every creature replicates according to it's specific kind to maintain equilibrium in the biosphere, zero exceptions, NEVER been observed.

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Do not look at Sauropods. Look at small raptors like Velicoraptor, which was only about the size of a chicken. Side by side their legs and you'll see the similarities.
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Oh really? Look at crocodiles. They have disabled genes for feathers. Birds have disabled genes for beak-less, toothed mouths, sickle claws, talons on wings, and bony tails. That's all raptor features.
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Out of all the years of human life on this plane. There is no record of anyone seeing a creature evolve. What were monkeys before they were monkeys
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A theory in SCIENCE is by definition; "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment."

Plus, there have been many human species before us found. At LEAST 50. H.Erectus, Neanderthals, H. tsaichangensis, H.Halibis, H.Naledi, the list goes on.
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So what is it called when theory has no evidence, but it is still pushed to the masses
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Great question, here's your answer;
"I solemnly charge you before God and Christ Jesus, who is destined to judge the living and the dead, and by his manifestation and his kingdom, 2 preach the word, be at it urgently in favorable season, in troublesome season, reprove, reprimand, exhort, with all long-suffering and [art of] teaching. 3 For there will be a period of time when they will not put up with the healthful teaching, but, in accord with their own desires, they will accumulate teachers for themselves to have their ears tickled; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, whereas they will be turned aside to false stories. 5 You, though, keep your senses in all things, suffer evil, do [the] work of an evangelizer, fully accomplish your ministry." 2Ti4

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Do not look at Sauropods. Look at small raptors like Velicoraptor, which was only about the size of a chicken. Side by side their legs and you'll see the similarities.
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DUDE it doesn't make sense
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"Nobody seeing a creature evolved." Fruit flies speciating to the point where they can no longer breed together? Dog breeds? And the Bible can't be used as evidence in a debate about evolution. People 2000+ years ago had no idea of it's existence.





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