Professor Darwin's Church of 'Evolution': So what exactly is the faith in? Confirmation in total futility? | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72531636 United States 01/18/2018 10:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Professor Darwin's Church of 'Evolution': So what exactly is the faith in? Confirmation in total futility? Protein coats in their current form are basically shells formed of multiple protomers (smaller subunits of proteins that chain together to form the protein coat as a whole.) The capsid is USUALLY (not always) inside of the coat as a whole. [link to upload.wikimedia.org (secure)] |
DGN (OP) User ID: 76114283 United States 01/18/2018 11:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Professor Darwin's Church of 'Evolution': So what exactly is the faith in? Confirmation in total futility? Protein coats in their current form are basically shells formed of multiple protomers (smaller subunits of proteins that chain together to form the protein coat as a whole.) Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72531636 The capsid is USUALLY (not always) inside of the coat as a whole. [link to upload.wikimedia.org (secure)] They should continue in that function forever, no? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72531636 United States 01/19/2018 12:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Professor Darwin's Church of 'Evolution': So what exactly is the faith in? Confirmation in total futility? Small mutations in it's D.N.A overtime are fine (microevolution), but a large mutation all at once is always fatal. Small mutations over many generations add up (macroevolution). Almost all of the mutations that are beneficial are due to processes such as mutation duplication or D.N.A transfers. |
DGN (OP) User ID: 76114283 United States 01/19/2018 12:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Professor Darwin's Church of 'Evolution': So what exactly is the faith in? Confirmation in total futility? Small mutations in it's D.N.A overtime are fine (microevolution), but a large mutation all at once is always fatal. Small mutations over many generations add up (macroevolution). Almost all of the mutations that are beneficial are due to processes such as mutation duplication or D.N.A transfers. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72531636 No, cell replication failures result in crash and burn, no exceptions ever observed, madness = run away madness, never superior intelligence. There is zero upside opportunity to defy divinely designed biology Last Edited by DGN on 01/19/2018 12:18 AM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72531636 United States 01/19/2018 12:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Professor Darwin's Church of 'Evolution': So what exactly is the faith in? Confirmation in total futility? Incorrect. There have been multiple observed accounts of useful mutations. For example, people with the new ccr5-Δ32 mutation have 2 ccr5-Δ32 alleles instead of one, and it gives resistence to both Yersinia pestis (the Black Plague) and Smallpox. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72531636 United States 01/19/2018 12:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Professor Darwin's Church of 'Evolution': So what exactly is the faith in? Confirmation in total futility? "Lenski eventually discovered that this population had evolved the ability to "eat" citrate, an organic molecule which was part of the solution the E. coli lived in, but which E. coli cannot normally uptake. Thus, evolution had been visibly observed, with an exquisite amount of evidence establishing the timeline along the way. Not only that, but the experiment was repeatable; Lenski started new experiments with the frozen "archives" of the population which exploded, and found that beyond a certain point, that particular population of E. coli were highly likely to evolve the ability to digest citrate. " |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73269883 Belgium 01/19/2018 09:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Professor Darwin's Church of 'Evolution': So what exactly is the faith in? Confirmation in total futility? Another great example of mutations was in Richard Lenski's 2 decade long observation of isolated E.Coli populations, which; Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72531636 "Lenski eventually discovered that this population had evolved the ability to "eat" citrate, an organic molecule which was part of the solution the E. coli lived in, but which E. coli cannot normally uptake. Thus, evolution had been visibly observed, with an exquisite amount of evidence establishing the timeline along the way. Not only that, but the experiment was repeatable; Lenski started new experiments with the frozen "archives" of the population which exploded, and found that beyond a certain point, that particular population of E. coli were highly likely to evolve the ability to digest citrate. " Can you agree that there are clear limitations within the evolution paradigm? Why do you ignore the fact that bacteria remain bacteria? Plenty of fauna and flora adapt their diet due to external circumstances, that's not evolution, that's adaptation. In every single case of adaptation we know, it is the (re)selection of pre-existing materials within the organism. Where do you see evolution at work? |
DGN (OP) User ID: 76140224 United States 01/19/2018 12:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Professor Darwin's Church of 'Evolution': So what exactly is the faith in? Confirmation in total futility? Another great example of mutations was in Richard Lenski's 2 decade long observation of isolated E.Coli populations, which; Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72531636 "Lenski eventually discovered that this population had evolved the ability to "eat" citrate, an organic molecule which was part of the solution the E. coli lived in, but which E. coli cannot normally uptake. Thus, evolution had been visibly observed, with an exquisite amount of evidence establishing the timeline along the way. Not only that, but the experiment was repeatable; Lenski started new experiments with the frozen "archives" of the population which exploded, and found that beyond a certain point, that particular population of E. coli were highly likely to evolve the ability to digest citrate. " They didn't evolve into a different species at all, they simply adapted to eat what's available. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72531636 United States 01/19/2018 12:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Professor Darwin's Church of 'Evolution': So what exactly is the faith in? Confirmation in total futility? Bacteria becoming something OTHER than a bacteria is possible (it has happened once in a lab), but bacteria is a DOMAIN, meaning that bacteria constitute a wider range of organisms than just animals, for example. There are three domains of life (Archae, Bacteria, and Eukaryota), bacteria being any organism in the group bacteria. Most changes we see in bacteria would be equivalent to lets say, the fish - amphibian jump (a change between class.) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72531636 United States 01/19/2018 12:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Professor Darwin's Church of 'Evolution': So what exactly is the faith in? Confirmation in total futility? Bacteria becoming something OTHER than a bacteria is possible (it has happened once in a lab), but bacteria is a DOMAIN, meaning that bacteria constitute a wider range of organisms than just animals, for example. There are three domains of life (Archae, Bacteria, and Eukaryota), bacteria being any organism in the group bacteria. Most changes we see in bacteria would be equivalent to lets say, the fish - amphibian jump (a change between class.) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72531636 United States 01/19/2018 12:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Professor Darwin's Church of 'Evolution': So what exactly is the faith in? Confirmation in total futility? No, they were no longer considered a form of yeast, and had ceased to be a form of yeast and could arguably have ceased to be a form of fungi as well, but the fungi bit is a bit more debatable. |
DGN (OP) User ID: 76140224 United States 01/19/2018 12:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Professor Darwin's Church of 'Evolution': So what exactly is the faith in? Confirmation in total futility? No, they were no longer considered a form of yeast, and had ceased to be a form of yeast and could arguably have ceased to be a form of fungi as well, but the fungi bit is a bit more debatable. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72531636 So does this mean by means of deliberate intelligent design in a lab life was created from scratch validating Professor Darwin's beloved theory? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 72531636 United States 01/19/2018 12:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Professor Darwin's Church of 'Evolution': So what exactly is the faith in? Confirmation in total futility? The SMALL mutations in the yeast built up over time, each new generation adding something to the old (with a lot dying off.) Yeast never simply jumped straight to multi-cells, instead starting with just minor mutations that made cooperation a bit better. |
DGN (OP) User ID: 76140224 United States 01/19/2018 12:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Professor Darwin's Church of 'Evolution': So what exactly is the faith in? Confirmation in total futility? The SMALL mutations in the yeast built up over time, each new generation adding something to the old (with a lot dying off.) Yeast never simply jumped straight to multi-cells, instead starting with just minor mutations that made cooperation a bit better. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72531636 Nope you totally made that up, no one rewrote their DNA least of all themselves. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72531636 United States 01/19/2018 01:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Professor Darwin's Church of 'Evolution': So what exactly is the faith in? Confirmation in total futility? Incorrect. Simple errors in D.N.A replication added information to the D.N.A, like it always does. Most of it was bad (which was why many of the yeasts died off) and some of it was good (which is why they went from colonies to becoming a multi-cell organism.) |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72531636 United States 01/19/2018 01:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Professor Darwin's Church of 'Evolution': So what exactly is the faith in? Confirmation in total futility? Like I've said before, we've seen plenty of beneficial mutations (many in humans.) This is what a lot of people call "microevolution." Macroevolution is just microevolution repeated over and over again, the difference between the two like the difference between 1+1 and 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1. |
DGN (OP) User ID: 76140224 United States 01/19/2018 01:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Professor Darwin's Church of 'Evolution': So what exactly is the faith in? Confirmation in total futility? Like I've said before, we've seen plenty of beneficial mutations (many in humans.) This is what a lot of people call "microevolution." Macroevolution is just microevolution repeated over and over again, the difference between the two like the difference between 1+1 and 1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72531636 Show me. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72531636 United States 01/19/2018 02:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Professor Darwin's Church of 'Evolution': So what exactly is the faith in? Confirmation in total futility? ccr5 delta -32 is a mutation of the normal ccr-5,which is a protein on the surface of white blood cells. People with this mutation smallpox and the plague. Another mutation is that of fungi which are able to survive the highly radioactive environment that is Chernobyl. |
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DGN (OP) User ID: 76140224 United States 01/19/2018 02:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Professor Darwin's Church of 'Evolution': So what exactly is the faith in? Confirmation in total futility? ccr5 delta -32 is a mutation of the normal ccr-5,which is a protein on the surface of white blood cells. People with this mutation smallpox and the plague. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72531636 Another mutation is that of fungi which are able to survive the highly radioactive environment that is Chernobyl. The fungi adaption is still making more fungi, just like animal fur thickens in winter but they never turn into Eskimos..... unless there's something we don't know. Last Edited by DGN on 01/19/2018 02:04 PM |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72531636 United States 01/19/2018 02:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Professor Darwin's Church of 'Evolution': So what exactly is the faith in? Confirmation in total futility? Of course, it's a small scale mutation. Evolution doesn't snap it's fingers and pop a new species, let alone a new order or even kingdom (fungi is an entire kingdom, just like animals) out of nowhere. Kingdom to kingdom evolution takes a few hundred million years on average, and new orders a few million years. |