JESUS CALLED FOR ELIJAH ON THE CROSS

I will try to be kind here.

You are mistaken.

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He is mistaken bigtime as usual.Eli means God,not Elijah.What a stupid false prophet.

Born of a sinner you were, Elijah, and sin you did inherit as your birthright, as did I.

To name yourself after a great prophet of the living God is hypocrasy.

I have read the lies you spew forth like venom, decieving the weak and turning them from the God you claim to serve. Exalt yourself, self proclaimed prophet; for your days of self-emulation are soon coming to an end and you will stand before the living God and answer for your pride.

Jesus died as a sacrifice and his grace is sufficient to save us. Obeying the commandments of God is what we are called to do, but failure to do so does not bring separation from God. This is because Jesus sits next to God and says "I have payed for that sin with my blood."

In Luke 16:16, our Lord Jesus Christ announced the line of demarcation between Law and Grace and confirmed it with His "It is Finished" statement on the cross.

The parable of Lazarus and the Rich man described the trouble people would have with accepting this transition.

The book of Galatians describes the error of combining the two. Even Peter, who studied under Jesus for 3+ years had to be rebuked by Paul for trying to require that Gentiles be circumcised.

Today, those who mix Law and Grace will miss the better resurrection (Rev 20:6) as they have become religious monsters or Legalist Christians and yes, will stand before the Great White Throne, in a lesser resurrection, a millennium later for their error.

jezus is a story . get to terms with it

It is truly sad to know you are so very deceived. Rebuked by Paul? And who is Paul, but a lying murderer of saints!
Legalist--what crap.It IS the law, and never mind what Paul said, or some idiot preacher told you to make you think "it is finished" has any bearing on the Law,when clearly, the ONLY thing that was finished was His Crucifixion.
Til Heaven and Earth pass away--THAT's how long "Christ" said the Law would remain, in it's entirety.Anything else is more Paulian lies.

nah jesus is real,you just dont know it yet.:o)

It will be written, in your mind and heart, there is no need too teach HIM, the ONE, and ONLY, TRUE HOLY SPIRIT, the CHOSEN ONE, at the time of the END, the SECOND COMING

Well, Praise the Lord God Almighty!


Both Elijah and myself, Scribe, must be on the right track, as in Jesus' day, it was the same kind of scoffers who persecuted Him that are persecuting us today.

Psalm 105:15 is your judgment. "Touch not mine anointed, and do my prophets no harm."

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you are interpreting the scripture backwards and that is causing you to be bound under the law of sin and death.

Jeus said that all would pass away when all is fulfilled.

Jesus fulfilled all when He died on the cross.

It is finished also is a way of saying 'all is fulfilled'

Heaven and earth passed away, and the jot and tittle of the law passed away when all was fulfilled.

scribe you are attempting to use scripture to gain some leverage to your false prophet, but because he is not annointed there is nothing to fear about rebuking his lies.

You go right ahead and try to keep your 'law', every jot and tittle of it.

I am a new covenant creation and have been promoted to grace.

You are welcome to come too but you will not be able to pour the new wine into your old wineskin.

Scribe is Satan's ghostwriter, and willing shill for this sad, sorry mental case; Ernest Frank Mauck, who suffers from delusions of grandeur, re: referring to himself as Elijah the Fishbait ! Of course the sorry creature has nothing else going for him, other than this absurd hoax ! They both wrest the scripture, into interpretations that are strange doctrines and gospels, to their own destructions !

Butch I don't have any doubt that you are in Christ, I have read many of your posts that bear witness to the Truth.

But you are misunderstanding what I have written, when I say that Christ fulfilled the law and all is finished. For some reason you are seeing it as me suggesting the law id still in effect, when I think it is quite clear that I am not saying this.

Actually, you and 'Elijah' are the ones Jesus referred to as ye snakes and hypocrites . . . you devour widow's houses . . . you are white sepulchers . . . clouds without water . . .

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Yes, I have heard all this BS a million times, from Pork Fed gluttonous Sunday keeping, Sabbath breaking...
Do you even know what jot and tittle means? It means the most minute details. Look around you, has heaven and earth passed away? Of course not!
You are just repeating a really ignorant spiel that makes no actual sense at all.You really could benefit from a search on Paul the Deceiver...

quoting Scribe...("These few very elect are them that are written in Revelation 18:1-4. They have come away from the Great Whore as written in Revelation 17:1 to 18. When you make a stand upon the truth you will be persecuted for the truth's sake, even by your own deceived family who will not accept the truth. So sad.")

Jesus is calling all his own out from amongst the false shepherds and they listen to his voice. His true Bride will not listen to hired men, and if they have been deceived in the past are now waking up and getting out of the harlots. Read John 10.

He is gathering them to his right side out of all the nations. His sheep are trapped in all religions, and those who hear his voice can no longer touch the unclean thing, and they will hear his voice calling and they will see through all the deceptions in religion. They will see that thay have not been putting their complete trust in Jesus sacrifice, and have strayed from his original teachings and they will repent..if they are truly His.

He has brought them to the wilderness(outside buildings of men) away from the face of the serpent for a cleansing and whitening before the marriage can happen. They are being refined now for the privledge to wear the white wedding garment.

And you are so clearly confused, you can't even keep straight who you are replying to.
So, who do you credit as your Creator, anyway? Paul, your beloved teacher of lies?

I stick to Jesus original teachings in Matthew Mark Luke John Jude, and trust them over what Paul taught. I dont trust Pauls teachings , for he seemed to want to be called Father alot

Here is what all of this really comes down to: You have before you a choice: you can choose the narrow,"legalistic" path that there be few that find, offered by "Christ", or you can choose the broad path that leads to destruction, offered by Paul.
Now as always, the best advice is offered by Moses: "therefore, choose life."

A NEW HEAVEN AND A NEW EARTH

The approach we have been using to interpret these portions of the book of Revelation can be used with the remaining passages, interpreting all of the symbols and imagery with consistency and relevancy. This level of consistency cannot be approached by any futurist or mystic interpretation of the book. In fact, most futurist commentators on the Revelation readily admit to their lack of complete understanding of it. They assert that where their interpretation falls short of a consistent explanation, those parts they could not decipher must be beyond our ability to know! They close up and seal what Jesus Christ has opened up and revealed, because they have placed the symbols in the wrong time frame of history.


Placing something out of place in time is called anachronism, and, as Wallace put it, “the theory that switches the events of Revelation to the future is the greatest anachronism of all time.”


The imagery of the final two chapters of Revelation are particularly misunderstood by a majority of believers and Christian teachers today. The traditional image of heaven that most modern Christians have grown up with and accept without question, has its source here in the last pages of the Apocalypse. If, however, the symbols and the theme of the book relate completely to the events of A.D. 70, how do we interpret these heavenly images of gates of pearl, streets of gold, no night, and no tears?


Once we come to understand the spiritual nature of the coming of Christ against his enemies, and the spiritual nature of the Kingdom of God which was established on Pentecost, we can understand at last what Jesus tried to tell his Jewish brethren almost 2,000 years ago.

He told them:

“God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
[John 4:24]

and he told Pilate,

“My kingdom is not of this world…Now is my kingdom not from hence.
[John 18:36]

He told the disciples in John 12:26 –


“If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be….”

If we follow Jesus Christ today, then we are where he is. We are in that spiritual realm or kingdom where God makes his true abode. This is not a physical realm on the planet Earth, but a universal spiritual realm whose only physical attributes are the human bodies of the people who are members of that spiritual realm of God. Paul makes this clear in 1 Corinthians 6:19, and 2 Corinthians 6:16 –

“What? Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost, which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?”

“…For ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them, and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.”

Knowing these things, we can look with fresh eyes of understanding at the beautiful images of the last two chapters of the Bible. In the first verse of chapter 21, John says:

“And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.”

Now, the first heaven and earth – the religious system and authorities (high priest, Sanhedrin, etc.), and the place where it existed (the country of Judea) – were “passed away” by the events of the war. They were literally wiped out and taken away from that land. John sees the true nature of this event. The old nation and the old law were finished and the new nation and new law were taking its place. The new heaven” was the spiritual Kingdom of God which had been redeemed from its mortal enemies and was now ready to grow and spread throughout the world of men. The “new earth” was the place and the people of that kingdom – that is, it was the very flesh and blood of those people. God’s kingdom is not a physical land like Judea was, but a spiritual kingdom that exists within the hearts and minds of believing men and women. Jesus told the Jews:

“Behold, the kingdom is within you.”
[Luke 17:21]

John saw the New Heaven and Earth taking precedence over the old ones, and then says “there was no more sea.” As we discovered in chapter 6, the symbol SEA refers to a large group of people, usually a nation. This time it refers to the Jewish nation, which had been utterly destroyed and removed from their land. There was no more “sea” of Jewish peoples in the old “earth” of Palestine.


Now, in verses 2-3, we read:

“And I, John, saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.”

We know that this is not some future event, for we are a part of the New Jerusalem. It is the same thing as the Kingdom of God, or the Church. Hebrews 12:22-23 makes this plain:

“But you have come to Mount Zion, to the heavenly Jerusalem, the city of the living God. You have come to thousands upon thousands of angels in joyful assembly, to the church of the firstborn, whose names are written in heaven. You have come to God, the judge of all men, to the spirits of righteous men made perfect, to Jesus the mediator of a new covenant….”
[NIV]

This New Jerusalem was coming down out of God’s heavenly realm, signifying that it was a spiritual city. Now, the people of God would dwell in assurance, peace, and victory over the persecuting enemies. This is the true meaning of the next verse in Revelation 21, verse 4:

“He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away.”

The great tribulation was finally ended. Although pagan persecutions would continue for many years, the Church would never again be threatened with total annihilation. To be understood, this passage must be placed in the context of the victory over the Jewish persecutions. This is made plain by the phrase, “for the old order of things has passed away.” It was the passing of the old Jewish order, and those who were erroneously following the old Law of Moses, that brought such relief to the Christians. There would be no more persecutions from them – no more death, crying, or pain – because they had been removed out of the way.

Now, in verses 5-7, God speaks of this new order of things:

“And he that sat upon the throne said, behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, write: for these words are true and faithful. And he said unto me, it is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely. He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will he his God, and he shall be my son.”

God had taken the old order out of the way by using the Roman army to destroy his former people. Now, he had made “all things new – the new spiritual realm of Christ had been established and redeemed. Now, God said, “It is done”! If it is not yet done, then we must still live in the old order of things, and God is not our God and we are not his children.

Here, God has stated that the “fountain of the water of life” is freely given for anyone that asks for it. In chapter 22:17, John restates this in an invitation:

“And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.”

We should consider carefully that if God has not completed these things that are envisioned in the Book of Revelation, then this offer cannot yet be extended to humankind. We would not be able to freely take of eternal life with God, for these things would not be “done” until some future time! God, however, has made this abundantly clear – this offer of life is available now to whosoever will. This is the essence of Christian evangelism and the good news which is the Gospel! These visions and this offer are tied together in time. If the visions are yet future, then so is the offer.

Yes, and he did and said LOTS of things that "Christ" condemned as leading to death.

Look around you, has heaven and earth passed away?

A NEW HEAVEN AND A NEW EARTH

The approach we have been using to interpret these portions of the book of Revelation can be used with the remaining passages, interpreting all of the symbols and imagery with consistency and relevancy. This level of consistency cannot be approached by any futurist or mystic interpretation of the book. In fact, most futurist commentators on the Revelation readily admit to their lack of complete understanding of it. They assert that where their interpretation falls short of a consistent explanation, those parts they could not decipher must be beyond our ability to know! They close up and seal what Jesus Christ has opened up and revealed, because they have placed the symbols in the wrong time frame of history.

What a disgusting, evil lie.Seen any lions laying peaceably with lambs lately?

continued from previous post......

In chapter 21:9 through the end of the symbolic visions in chapter 22:5, we see a vision or picture of the Kingdom of God, the New Jerusalem, the Church of Christ. This is the imagery that most people ascribe to a future Heaven, but this cannot be so. Instead, it is a description of the present Kingdom, found not in the land of Palestine, made not with walls of literal stone, but found in the hearts and minds of righteous men and women who believe and accept Jesus Christ. Once we enter into this great spiritual city, we have retraced our steps back into the true Eden, for God is there and we are his friends.


All of the wonderful attributes of the City as described to John are symbols of the perfection of the spiritual realm of God. The New Jerusalem has “twelve foundations,” which are explained to us as representing the twelve apostles, upon whose work and sacrifice the church was built (v. 14). The City has “twelve gates with the names of the twelve tribes of Israel” (v. 12), which signifies the continuance of God’s promise to Abraham. The Christian believers were the spiritual descendants of the holy twelve tribes of literal Israel.


The City is laid out like a square, actually like a cube, with walls whose length, breadth, and height all equal the same amount. This is a reflection of the shape of the original altar that God commanded the Israelites to build. It, too, was “foursquare,” its symmetry symbolizing the perfection of God. The New Jerusalem is also “foursquare,” for it is the perfect and beautiful spiritual City of God.

In verse 18, the City is described with terms like “jasper,” “gold,” and “clear glass” (like crystal). These are symbolic of the pure and beautiful nature and form of the spiritual Kingdom. Similar terms continue in the next verse where John describes the foundations of the City wall as precious gems: jasper, sapphire, chalcedony, emerald, sardonyx, camelian, chrysolite, beryl, topaz, chrysoprase, jacinth, and amethyst. We should remember that there were twelve foundations, representing the twelve apostles. These precious stones represent the transfer of God’s approval and authorization from the old priesthood of the Jews to the new spiritual priesthood that began with the foundation of the apostles. There is an interesting reference in Josephus, where he describes the garments worn by the High Priest when he officiated at the special Jewish ceremonies. In describing the ephod, a vest–like cloth that draped over his shoulders, he says:

“There were upon it two golden buttons…[in which] were enclosed two very large and very excellent sardonyxes, having the names of the tribes of that nation engraved upon them: on the other part were hung twelve stones,…a sardius, a topaz, and an emerald: a carbuncle, a jasper, and a sapphire; and agate, an amethyst, and a ligure; an onyx, a beryl, and a chrysolite; upon every one of which was again engraved one of the forementioned names of the tribes.”

It is an obvious reference for John to make. In describing the foundations of this Christian City that replaced the old Jerusalem city, he used symbols that, although generally pleasing and beautiful to us today, would be immediately recognized by any Jew as having special significance. It was a part of their culture to see the High Priest dressed in the exquisite gown that God himself demanded (Exodus 39:8-14), displaying these precious stones that represented their own tribes. How stinging and hurtful John’s use of the gems would have been to the unbelieving Jew! How uplifting and glorious that same usage would be to the persecuted Christian! It was the very blessing of God upon the new Kingdom and his great curse upon the unbelievers still hanging on to the old way.


In verse 21, John continues to describe the great City in terms of symbolic gems:

“And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.”

The commonly distorted picture of a literal heaven with its “pearly gates pales into a feeble shadow of the glorious reality of the present spiritual Kingdom – perfect and shining like something made of gold or crystal or perfect pearls. As we read in the next few verses, these things shine, not in the rays of the literal sun, but in the spiritual light of God himself. Verses 22-24:

“And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.”(Re 21:22)

The people who walk these streets of gold are the “nations of them which are saved.” If we are saved today, then we walk those streets of gold today. If we do not, then we are outside the “great and high wall” (v. 12) of the City and are none of God’s. The “kings of the earth” here are, again, those who are the religious leaders or persons of importance in the land of the people involved in the prophecy. In this case, the KINGS were the apostles and the EARTH is the Church. The righteous apostles were glorious in their victory over the persecutors and were honored because of the sacrifice of their lives.

In verse 25, John continues:

“And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.”

This spiritual Kingdom of God would be forever open to “whosoever will.” It has no literal night or day, for this is a spiritual realm, not a physical one. God is the light of this realm, and since he is always present, there is no “night” or lack of God’s presence.
Verses 26-27:

“The glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it. Nothing impure will ever enter it, nor will anyone who does what is shameful or deceitful, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.”
[NIV]

The reference to the “nations” means that this new Jerusalem would be open to all men and women, no matter if they are Jew or Gentile. Only those who believe and obey Christ, who are pure in heart, can enter into the Kingdom. They receive the promised gift of eternal life. In the next section, we will discuss in more detail the important implications of purity or sinlessness in the Church.

In the first several verses of chapter 22, John continues the picture of eternal life in the New Jerusalem where the “river of the water of life” flows out of the throne of God and the “tree of life” grows and bears fruit of healing for the nations of mankind. In verses 3-5, the visions of Revelation end with this:

“And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: and they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.”

What curse has come to an end with the advent of the Kingdom? It was the curse of Adam and Eve, the curse of sin and of separation from God. From the time of the Garden of Eden, mankind had no direct spiritual access to God. God had promised that he would make it possible for human beings to be reconciled to him through a Savior. Christ fulfilled this promise and broke the curse. If the visions of Revelation are not fulfilled, then we all still live under the curse! Thank God that instead, we who believe are reconciled through grace to live in the presence of God, wearing his name, and serving him now and forever.


The very last phrase of the vision portion of Revelation is the fulfillment of Daniel’s vision (in Daniel 7:18) of the same event some five hundred years earlier:

“But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.”

For Daniel, this great event was far in the future and the angel told him to “go your way,” for, “the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the end.” Now, however, for John and the other believing Christians, it was the time of the end, and this great taking of the redeemed Kingdom would happen shortly. This time, the vision was not sealed up, for this was the true and present Revelation of Jesus Christ.

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