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The Sun rose much earlier today than it should have. It was up at least 20 minutes earlier than it should have.

 
Puzzled One
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The Sun rose much earlier today than it should have. It was up at least 20 minutes earlier than it should have.
I have read many of the Sun out of position posts and given both sides of the arguement due consideration. I have not chimed in on this matter until today. The reason I am chimming in on this subject is because the early sunrise was blatantly obvious to me.

I have the exact same routine every morning whereby I leave the house at the exact same time everyday and take my child to the bus stop. My vantage point when waiting for the school bus is facing east and watching the morning horizon. What stuck me as very odd today was how bright it was compared to yesterday.

When I got to work today I looked up what time the Sun was to rise in my neck of the woods at it was listed as 7:03 AM. It was 6:37 AM when I noted the sunrise this morning. I could understand a few minutes either way but this is way off.

I am not even going to speculate what is going on. I am merely posting my personal observations. I have read some responses that indicate that this is a phenomema that is sporadic in nature.

Did anyone else notice this today?
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Re: The Sun rose much earlier today than it should have. It was up at least 20 minutes earlier than it should have.
yep but I am sure menow will be here to tell us we are blind soon..
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Re: The Sun rose much earlier today than it should have. It was up at least 20 minutes earlier than it should have.
There are lots of possible explanations for this. The most likely explanation is that you are a troll.
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Re: The Sun rose much earlier today than it should have. It was up at least 20 minutes earlier than it should have.
There are lots of possible explanations for this. The most likely explanation is that you are a troll.
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That was enlightening!

I too noticed it being much brighter this morning than yesterday. Which could mean the atmosphere is primed for increased reflectivity where I am at. Perhaps where you are too OP. Was the Sun completly up when you observed it or was it just breaking the horizon?
'The truth is out there'
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Re: The Sun rose much earlier today than it should have. It was up at least 20 minutes earlier than it should have.
I just hate it when the sun does that!!!
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Re: The Sun rose much earlier today than it should have. It was up at least 20 minutes earlier than it should have.
What kind of clock are you using for the basis of your argument?
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Re: The Sun rose much earlier today than it should have. It was up at least 20 minutes earlier than it should have.
Perfectly on time here in SC.
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Re: The Sun rose much earlier today than it should have. It was up at least 20 minutes earlier than it should have.
How are you determining the sunrise time, both on observing it and predicting it? Within a timezone, the sunrise time can obviously vary as much as an hour, so the sunrise time calculation must me made based on a very local geographic location. Also, the definition of sunrise is when the upper edge of the sun's disk becomes visible over a zero degree horizon.

[link to aa.usno.navy.mil]

That zero degree horizon means like what you would see on the shore of the ocean. If your horizon has a positive or negative angle, such as in the mountains or hilly terrain, that must be accounted for.
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Re: The Sun rose much earlier today than it should have. It was up at least 20 minutes earlier than it should have.
How are you determining the sunrise time, both on observing it and predicting it? Within a timezone, the sunrise time can obviously vary as much as an hour, so the sunrise time calculation must me made based on a very local geographic location. Also, the definition of sunrise is when the upper edge of the sun's disk becomes visible over a zero degree horizon.

[link to aa.usno.navy.mil]

That zero degree horizon means like what you would see on the shore of the ocean. If your horizon has a positive or negative angle, such as in the mountains or hilly terrain, that must be accounted for.
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Don't waste your time. He just made up the whole thing.
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Re: The Sun rose much earlier today than it should have. It was up at least 20 minutes earlier than it should have.
Another zidiot troll who is so lame and lazy to read and study some astronomy.

OP, just take a break from this life go study a bit and see that the Sun is exactly where it is supposed to be. Stop fucking around and start fucking inside if you are unable to learn, understand and research by yourself.
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Re: The Sun rose much earlier today than it should have. It was up at least 20 minutes earlier than it should have.
How are you determining the sunrise time, both on observing it and predicting it? Within a timezone, the sunrise time can obviously vary as much as an hour, so the sunrise time calculation must me made based on a very local geographic location. Also, the definition of sunrise is when the upper edge of the sun's disk becomes visible over a zero degree horizon.

[link to aa.usno.navy.mil]

That zero degree horizon means like what you would see on the shore of the ocean. If your horizon has a positive or negative angle, such as in the mountains or hilly terrain, that must be accounted for.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 193306


Using the time on the cell phone. This is usually synchronized to within a minute of official GMT time. The Navy site you cited is the site I used to look up the official sunrise time. I do live in hilly region therfore it may have risen earlier than my stated time. The time I stated was when the disk became visible on the horizon. It was noticibly brighter than yesterday and I made a mental note of the time.
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Re: The Sun rose much earlier today than it should have. It was up at least 20 minutes earlier than it should have.
I have read many of the Sun out of position posts and given both sides of the arguement due consideration. I have not chimed in on this matter until today. The reason I am chimming in on this subject is because the early sunrise was blatantly obvious to me.

I have the exact same routine every morning whereby I leave the house at the exact same time everyday and take my child to the bus stop. My vantage point when waiting for the school bus is facing east and watching the morning horizon. What stuck me as very odd today was how bright it was compared to yesterday.

When I got to work today I looked up what time the Sun was to rise in my neck of the woods at it was listed as 7:03 AM. It was 6:37 AM when I noted the sunrise this morning. I could understand a few minutes either way but this is way off.

I am not even going to speculate what is going on. I am merely posting my personal observations. I have read some responses that indicate that this is a phenomema that is sporadic in nature.

Did anyone else notice this today?
 Quoting: Puzzled One 195116


I noticed a stupid mofo troll posting bullshit on GLP.
Surprise, it's you.
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Re: The Sun rose much earlier today than it should have. It was up at least 20 minutes earlier than it should have.
How are you determining the sunrise time, both on observing it and predicting it? Within a timezone, the sunrise time can obviously vary as much as an hour, so the sunrise time calculation must me made based on a very local geographic location. Also, the definition of sunrise is when the upper edge of the sun's disk becomes visible over a zero degree horizon.

[link to aa.usno.navy.mil]

That zero degree horizon means like what you would see on the shore of the ocean. If your horizon has a positive or negative angle, such as in the mountains or hilly terrain, that must be accounted for.


Using the time on the cell phone. This is usually synchronized to within a minute of official GMT time. The Navy site you cited is the site I used to look up the official sunrise time. I do live in hilly region therfore it may have risen earlier than my stated time. The time I stated was when the disk became visible on the horizon. It was noticibly brighter than yesterday and I made a mental note of the time.
 Quoting: Puzzled One 166153


Just ask yourself why milions DID NOT observed this. And I'm not talking about googoos who live in a city and have no idea where the Sun rises.
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Re: The Sun rose much earlier today than it should have. It was up at least 20 minutes earlier than it should have.
Another zidiot troll who is so lame and lazy to read and study some astronomy.

OP, just take a break from this life go study a bit and see that the Sun is exactly where it is supposed to be. Stop fucking around and start fucking inside if you are unable to learn, understand and research by yourself.
 Quoting: Negaterium 26222



Nice language! Do you kiss your mother with that mouth you moron. I don't need to pick up an astonomy book to note what I saw this morning so take your viale mouth and suck Borats ass awhile. I'm sure it will feel like home to you jerk off!
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Re: The Sun rose much earlier today than it should have. It was up at least 20 minutes earlier than it should have.
How are you determining the sunrise time, both on observing it and predicting it? Within a timezone, the sunrise time can obviously vary as much as an hour, so the sunrise time calculation must me made based on a very local geographic location. Also, the definition of sunrise is when the upper edge of the sun's disk becomes visible over a zero degree horizon.

[link to aa.usno.navy.mil]

That zero degree horizon means like what you would see on the shore of the ocean. If your horizon has a positive or negative angle, such as in the mountains or hilly terrain, that must be accounted for.


Using the time on the cell phone. This is usually synchronized to within a minute of official GMT time. The Navy site you cited is the site I used to look up the official sunrise time. I do live in hilly region therfore it may have risen earlier than my stated time. The time I stated was when the disk became visible on the horizon. It was noticibly brighter than yesterday and I made a mental note of the time.
 Quoting: Puzzled One 166153



Yes, if you are looking down on the horizon, the sun will rise earlier than the calculated time. And be aware that the sunrise time is VERY localized. For instance, with sunrise times given in newspapers that cover several counties, or a whole state, the actual time may vary quite a bit for locations east or west of where the calculation was made. For instance, I just checked for the city in which I live and the city in which I work, which are only 40 miles apart. The sunrise difference is two full minutes.
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Re: The Sun rose much earlier today than it should have. It was up at least 20 minutes earlier than it should have.
I just checked for the city in which I live and the city in which I work, which are only 40 miles apart. The sunrise difference is two full minutes. 1rof1
OP must have a long commute!

Let's keep bumping to see which debunkers keep showing up here repeatedly. This is for them, take a whif butt
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Re: The Sun rose much earlier today than it should have. It was up at least 20 minutes earlier than it should have.
Just ask yourself why milions DID NOT observed this. And I'm not talking about googoos who live in a city and have no idea where the Sun rises.
 Quoting: Negaterium 26222

Perhaps because "millions" don't make it a habit to get up and check the rising of the sun local-time with the time it is said to rise.
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Re: The Sun rose much earlier today than it should have. It was up at least 20 minutes earlier than it should have.
I have read many of the Sun out of position posts and given both sides of the arguement due consideration. I have not chimed in on this matter until today. The reason I am chimming in on this subject is because the early sunrise was blatantly obvious to me.

I have the exact same routine every morning whereby I leave the house at the exact same time everyday and take my child to the bus stop. My vantage point when waiting for the school bus is facing east and watching the morning horizon. What stuck me as very odd today was how bright it was compared to yesterday.

When I got to work today I looked up what time the Sun was to rise in my neck of the woods at it was listed as 7:03 AM. It was 6:37 AM when I noted the sunrise this morning. I could understand a few minutes either way but this is way off.

I am not even going to speculate what is going on. I am merely posting my personal observations. I have read some responses that indicate that this is a phenomema that is sporadic in nature.

Did anyone else notice this today?
 Quoting: Puzzled One 195116


Interesting. What is your location? Did you check with an astronomy program? Please don't allow yourself to be dragged down by the notorious debunkers who always say that everything is normal. Please continue your observations.
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Re: The Sun rose much earlier today than it should have. It was up at least 20 minutes earlier than it should have.
Just ask yourself why milions DID NOT observed this. And I'm not talking about googoos who live in a city and have no idea where the Sun rises.

Perhaps because "millions" don't make it a habit to get up and check the rising of the sun local-time with the time it is said to rise.
 Quoting: Sir_Chancealot


Perhaps you missed the astronomy classes yourself and like to woo-woo around too.
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Re: The Sun rose much earlier today than it should have. It was up at least 20 minutes earlier than it should have.
I have read many of the Sun out of position posts and given both sides of the arguement due consideration. I have not chimed in on this matter until today. The reason I am chimming in on this subject is because the early sunrise was blatantly obvious to me.

I have the exact same routine every morning whereby I leave the house at the exact same time everyday and take my child to the bus stop. My vantage point when waiting for the school bus is facing east and watching the morning horizon. What stuck me as very odd today was how bright it was compared to yesterday.

When I got to work today I looked up what time the Sun was to rise in my neck of the woods at it was listed as 7:03 AM. It was 6:37 AM when I noted the sunrise this morning. I could understand a few minutes either way but this is way off.

I am not even going to speculate what is going on. I am merely posting my personal observations. I have read some responses that indicate that this is a phenomema that is sporadic in nature.

Did anyone else notice this today?


Interesting. What is your location? Did you check with an astronomy program? Please don't allow yourself to be dragged down by the notorious debunkers who always say that everything is normal. Please continue your observations.
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Yeah, please continue being a troll and do not check the work and study of thousands of astronomers and observers. Keep believing shit. It helps you a lot. You will get rich.
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Re: The Sun rose much earlier today than it should have. It was up at least 20 minutes earlier than it should have.
I have read many of the Sun out of position posts and given both sides of the arguement due consideration. I have not chimed in on this matter until today. The reason I am chimming in on this subject is because the early sunrise was blatantly obvious to me.

I have the exact same routine every morning whereby I leave the house at the exact same time everyday and take my child to the bus stop. My vantage point when waiting for the school bus is facing east and watching the morning horizon. What stuck me as very odd today was how bright it was compared to yesterday.

When I got to work today I looked up what time the Sun was to rise in my neck of the woods at it was listed as 7:03 AM. It was 6:37 AM when I noted the sunrise this morning. I could understand a few minutes either way but this is way off.

I am not even going to speculate what is going on. I am merely posting my personal observations. I have read some responses that indicate that this is a phenomema that is sporadic in nature.

Did anyone else notice this today?


Interesting. What is your location? Did you check with an astronomy program? Please don't allow yourself to be dragged down by the notorious debunkers who always say that everything is normal. Please continue your observations.
 Quoting: German guy


Yes please do. But do it in an informed way and you will see that everything IS indeed normal. There are several free planetarium programs such as SkyMap Pro (www.skymap.com) as well as a number of web-based planetarium aplications (there's one at astronomy.com) that will show the sky from yourlocation at any particular time.

If you want to call me a "debunker" I'll be happy to take that name, since to "de-bunk" means to expose bunk. I am a very active and long-time amater astronomer and astrophotographer (www.machunter.org/hapspics.html). I also observe and time lunar occultations on a regular basis ( [link to www.lunar-occultations.com] ) and have never observed anything to be out of place to the accuracy of my measurements (less than one arc-minute) or off time (under 1 milli-second for occultations).

If you want to supply accurate details of any discrepancies you think you see, we can discuss them. But be accurate...this foolishness of saying "about 10 minutes off" or "my compass says 5 degrees wrong" is rediculous. Astronomy is a very accurate and predictable business and there are very accurate tools available to anyone who is serious.
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Re: The Sun rose much earlier today than it should have. It was up at least 20 minutes earlier than it should have.
My point is that I am a creature of very rigid habit. I have to be because of the line of work I am in. Astronomy has NOTHING to do with personal observation, which is exactly what this post is about. A personal observation! Another observation of note is that yesterday while driving my child to the bus stop I nearly hit a jogger and had to swerve to miss that person. Today the visibility was noticeably better but not good enough to leave the headlights off. The sun disk was visible from my vantage point today at the time specified, which it was not yesterday. Again these are personal observations from the same place and time every weekday.
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Re: The Sun rose much earlier today than it should have. It was up at least 20 minutes earlier than it should have.
Granted. Sometimes there are distant clouds on the horizon that obscure the sunrise when it is clear overhead.

But astronomy IS a very exact science. I'm sure you have heard of GOTO telescopes which once calibrated with their location and the time, can point exactly to thousands of targets stored in their internal databases. They could not possibly work if anything in the sky was the least bit out of place or moving unpredictably. For instance, most of the deep-space objects I photograph cannot even be seen through the scope visually and I have to rely on the GOTO accuracy of my scope to frame each object in the camera. If the sky was not precisely predicatble, this would be impossible. Likewise, I expose for sometimes hours at a time...if my permanent scope mount were not exactly parallel to the rotational axis of the earth, long exposure photography would be impossible. There are those on GLP who claim that the moon is out of place, yet I can command my scope to point to not only the moon, but to any one of several hundred individual craters on it and have it slew exactly to the target. The same goes for the planets and asteroids. The scope has no way of seeing what it is pointing to. Can you explain how it could possibly slew exactly to targets if the earth and sky were not as they should be?
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Re: The Sun rose much earlier today than it should have. It was up at least 20 minutes earlier than it should have.
Isolated temporal displacement is theoretically a possible cause for isolated instances of this anomalous behavior. It would take into account the astrological positioning that the astronomers use to denounce the anomalous observations yet the anomalous observations could indeed be accurate under this premise. If there were an isolated rift in time the calculations used for precise measuring of the stars would not be affected.
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Re: The Sun rose much earlier today than it should have. It was up at least 20 minutes earlier than it should have.
just give us a link of a web-cam where we can watch
the early sunrise and i bet, it will suddenly go back
to position where it should be
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Re: The Sun rose much earlier today than it should have. It was up at least 20 minutes earlier than it should have.
Isolated temporal displacement is theoretically a possible cause for isolated instances of this anomalous behavior. It would take into account the astrological positioning that the astronomers use to denounce the anomalous observations yet the anomalous observations could indeed be accurate under this premise. If there were an isolated rift in time the calculations used for precise measuring of the stars would not be affected.
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Please dont use the term "astrological" in the same sentence with "astronomical". The later is science, the former pure hogwash.
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Re: The Sun rose much earlier today than it should have. It was up at least 20 minutes earlier than it should have.
just give us a link of a web-cam where we can watch
the early sunrise and i bet, it will suddenly go back
to position where it should be
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That's the same as those who claim visitation in the night by aliens.
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Re: The Sun rose much earlier today than it should have. It was up at least 20 minutes earlier than it should have.
There are also plenty of people who don't seem to realize that the sun position varies WITHIN a time zone.

At noon on a given day, The sun will be in a different position for someone in Boston, than someone in Pittsburgh, even though they are both in the "Eastern Time Zone".
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To: Puzzled One

Roughly, in what part of the country are you; How far North, any geographical references (large bodies of water, etc.)

Thank you.
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Re: The Sun rose much earlier today than it should have. It was up at least 20 minutes earlier than it should have.
There are lots of possible explanations for this. The most likely explanation is that you are a troll.
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chuckle
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Re: The Sun rose much earlier today than it should have. It was up at least 20 minutes earlier than it should have.
Just ask yourself why milions DID NOT observed this. And I'm not talking about googoos who live in a city and have no idea where the Sun rises.

Perhaps because "millions" don't make it a habit to get up and check the rising of the sun local-time with the time it is said to rise.

Perhaps you missed the astronomy classes yourself and like to woo-woo around too.
 Quoting: Negaterium 26222

No, I got an "A" in astronomy class, but that's been a few years back.

YOU said "Just ask yourself why milions {sic} did not observed {sic} this". I did. And the answer I came up with the idea that " 'millions' don't make it a habit to get up and check the rising of the sun".

Is it now your contention that millions of people DO get up to time the sunrise?





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