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Can soldiers commanded to commit war crimes against civilians be forgiven by God?

 
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According to the rules, even Hitler could have been saved if he regret in his heart and ask for forgiveness.
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Yeah, you keep telling yourself that...

When your life is over, and you stand in judgment, you will feel every pain you caused in this life, even indirectly.

There are no simple words you can say to escape responsibility for your actions, as we will all find out soon enough!
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The bottom line is, God knows every single detail, even the things that are hidden from us. There are no secrets hidden from Him at all.

If God commanded battles, I can assure everyone that the battles had a sure purpose.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71503346

Right this thread is not about divinely ordered exterminations, it's about world rulers feuding over who's going to be the boss of everyone no matter how many civilians must die.

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Who sets up kings and removes kings in this world's system?
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The bottom line is, God knows every single detail, even the things that are hidden from us. There are no secrets hidden from Him at all.

If God commanded battles, I can assure everyone that the battles had a sure purpose.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71503346

Right this thread is not about divinely ordered exterminations, it's about world rulers feuding over who's going to be the boss of everyone no matter how many civilians must die.

 Quoting: DGN


Who sets up kings and removes kings in this world's system?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73486280

Trying to impute men's crimes to God will have consequences;

"And I saw three unclean inspired expressions [that looked] like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and perform signs, and they go forth to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.
15 “Look! I am coming as a thief. Happy is the one that stays awake and keeps his outer garments, that he may not walk naked and people look upon his shamefulness.
16 And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew HarMagedon." Rv16:13
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Anything can be forgiven by God I would imagine but it's also up to the man upstairs to deal that forgiveness.
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read up on 'just war theory'
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read up on 'just war theory'
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How long does that take?
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The bottom line is, God knows every single detail, even the things that are hidden from us. There are no secrets hidden from Him at all.

If God commanded battles, I can assure everyone that the battles had a sure purpose.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71503346

Right this thread is not about divinely ordered exterminations, it's about world rulers feuding over who's going to be the boss of everyone no matter how many civilians must die.

 Quoting: DGN


Who sets up kings and removes kings in this world's system?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73486280

Trying to impute men's crimes to God will have consequences;

"And I saw three unclean inspired expressions [that looked] like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and perform signs, and they go forth to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.
15 “Look! I am coming as a thief. Happy is the one that stays awake and keeps his outer garments, that he may not walk naked and people look upon his shamefulness.
16 And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew HarMagedon." Rv16:13
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War that the kings of the earth bring about calamity. Would you agree ?
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The bottom line is, God knows every single detail, even the things that are hidden from us. There are no secrets hidden from Him at all.

If God commanded battles, I can assure everyone that the battles had a sure purpose.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71503346

Right this thread is not about divinely ordered exterminations, it's about world rulers feuding over who's going to be the boss of everyone no matter how many civilians must die.

 Quoting: DGN


Who sets up kings and removes kings in this world's system?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73486280

Trying to impute men's crimes to God will have consequences;

"And I saw three unclean inspired expressions [that looked] like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and perform signs, and they go forth to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.
15 “Look! I am coming as a thief. Happy is the one that stays awake and keeps his outer garments, that he may not walk naked and people look upon his shamefulness.
16 And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew HarMagedon." Rv16:13
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War that the kings of the earth bring about calamity. Would you agree ?
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God ordered war crimes in the OT.
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War crimes are attacks on civilians ordered by men.
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You mean will god forgive the murdering of human beings because the Pentagon approves?
NO.
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God ordered war crimes in the OT.
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War crimes are attacks on civilians ordered by men.
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You mean will god forgive the murdering of human beings because the Pentagon approves?
NO.
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"But Jesus said to him: “Fellow, for what purpose are you present?” Then they came forward and laid hands on Jesus and took him into custody. 51 But, look! one of those with Jesus reached out his hand and drew his sword and struck the slave of the high priest and took off his ear. 52 Then Jesus said to him: “Return your sword to its place, for all those who take the sword will perish by the sword" mt26;50
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God ordered war crimes in the OT.
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War crimes are attacks on civilians ordered by men.
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You mean will god forgive the murdering of human beings because the Pentagon approves?
NO.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72648363


"But Jesus said to him: “Fellow, for what purpose are you present?” Then they came forward and laid hands on Jesus and took him into custody. 51 But, look! one of those with Jesus reached out his hand and drew his sword and struck the slave of the high priest and took off his ear. 52 Then Jesus said to him: “Return your sword to its place, for all those who take the sword will perish by the sword" mt26;50
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Plenty of people who do not raise the sword die by the sword. War kills more civilians than actual combatants.
You're all just children delusional with the illusion of control. Those who claim greater control will lose the most.
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It is against the law to follow an unlawful order.

Many soldiers after the Vietnam war were put into prison for following unlawful orders.

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Yes of course even Moses killed people
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The bottom line is, God knows every single detail, even the things that are hidden from us. There are no secrets hidden from Him at all.

If God commanded battles, I can assure everyone that the battles had a sure purpose.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71503346

Right this thread is not about divinely ordered exterminations, it's about world rulers feuding over who's going to be the boss of everyone no matter how many civilians must die.

 Quoting: DGN


Who sets up kings and removes kings in this world's system?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73486280

Trying to impute men's crimes to God will have consequences;

"And I saw three unclean inspired expressions [that looked] like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and perform signs, and they go forth to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.
15 “Look! I am coming as a thief. Happy is the one that stays awake and keeps his outer garments, that he may not walk naked and people look upon his shamefulness.
16 And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew HarMagedon." Rv16:13
 Quoting: DGN


Since we know that it is God who sets up kings and removes kings, for his purpose

Daniel 2:21
He changes times and seasons; he deposes kings and raises up others. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning

And it is God who creates calamity

Isaiah 45:7

I form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity; I am the LORD, who does all these things

Who controls the world events, including the wars that create calamity?
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Right this thread is not about divinely ordered exterminations, it's about world rulers feuding over who's going to be the boss of everyone no matter how many civilians must die.

 Quoting: DGN


Who sets up kings and removes kings in this world's system?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73486280

Trying to impute men's crimes to God will have consequences;

"And I saw three unclean inspired expressions [that looked] like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and perform signs, and they go forth to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.
15 “Look! I am coming as a thief. Happy is the one that stays awake and keeps his outer garments, that he may not walk naked and people look upon his shamefulness.
16 And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew HarMagedon." Rv16:13
 Quoting: DGN


Since we know that it is God who sets up kings and removes kings, for his purpose

Daniel 2:21
He changes times and seasons; he deposes kings and raises up others. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning

And it is God who creates calamity

Isaiah 45:7

I form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity; I am the LORD, who does all these things

Who controls the world events, including the wars that create calamity?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73486280

Playing devil's advocate is a deadly game, none will prevail;
"We know that every [person] that has been born from God does not practice sin, but the One born from God watches him, and the wicked one does not fasten his hold on him. 19 We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the [power of the] wicked one. 20 But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us intellectual capacity that we may gain the knowledge of the true one. And we are in union with the true one, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting. 21 Little children, guard yourselves from idols." 1Jo5:19
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I see the birds outside my house attacking other birds that try to take their territory.

Does God forgive them?
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"All these sufferings are man-made and it is within man's power to put an end to them. God helps by facing man with the results of his actions and demanding that the balance should be restored. Karma is the law that works for righteousness; it is the healing hand of God." -- Nisargadatta
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I see the birds outside my house attacking other birds that try to take their territory.

Does God forgive them?
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Animals sin?
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Who sets up kings and removes kings in this world's system?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73486280

Trying to impute men's crimes to God will have consequences;

"And I saw three unclean inspired expressions [that looked] like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and perform signs, and they go forth to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.
15 “Look! I am coming as a thief. Happy is the one that stays awake and keeps his outer garments, that he may not walk naked and people look upon his shamefulness.
16 And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew HarMagedon." Rv16:13
 Quoting: DGN


Since we know that it is God who sets up kings and removes kings, for his purpose

Daniel 2:21
He changes times and seasons; he deposes kings and raises up others. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning

And it is God who creates calamity

Isaiah 45:7

I form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity; I am the LORD, who does all these things

Who controls the world events, including the wars that create calamity?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73486280

Playing devil's advocate is a deadly game, none will prevail;
"We know that every [person] that has been born from God does not practice sin, but the One born from God watches him, and the wicked one does not fasten his hold on him. 19 We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the [power of the] wicked one. 20 But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us intellectual capacity that we may gain the knowledge of the true one. And we are in union with the true one, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting. 21 Little children, guard yourselves from idols." 1Jo5:19
 Quoting: DGN


EVERYTHING HAS A PRECISE APPOINTED TIME INCLUDING WAR.

God Almighty is responsible for everything and He brings about everything only at its precise "APPOINTED SEASON AND TIME." Let's read it:

"To every thing there is a season and a time to every purpose under the heaven" (Ecc. 3:1).

The implications of this verse are staggering. The very foundation of human psychology and theology crumbles under the weight of this declaration of God's Word. This is undoubtedly one of the ten most profound Scriptures in the entire Bible.

If we are to be honest and believe this verse, then we must concede that absolutely NOTHING is left out God's profound declaration.


There is no wasted motion in God's creation, purpose and plan. Everything has an appointed time, and everything includes: "every purpose, every work, every matter, every event, and every deed.


[1] "To every thing there is a season [appointed time] ,and a time to every purpose [matter or event] under the heaven" (Ecc. 3:1) .

AND:

[2] "I know that, whatsoever God does... NOTHING can be put to it, nor ANYTHING taken from it: and GOD does it" (Ecc. 3:14).

like everything else that is beyond the realm of carnal comprehension, all of these things too, have been foreordained and pre-determined to happen only at their "APPOINTED TIME." God has appointed a time for false prophets to add and God has appointed a time for false prophets to take away from His word.

HOW INTELLECTUALLY AND SPIRITUALLY HONEST ARE YOU?

Do you believe the two verses of Scripture that I have quoted above? Is there any honest way out of what they say? Is there room for such a think as "man's uncaused free will choices" in either of these two verses? Unless you still insist on believing in contradictions and square circles, this should not be too mentally challenging to anyone:

[1] God has PREDETERMINED a PRE-APPOINTED TIME for EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS UNDER HEAVEN.

AND:

[2] Absolutely NOTHING can be ADDED TO OR TAKEN FROM this purpose of God's.

God is in control and that bothers you ?
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According to the rules, even Hitler could have been saved if he regret in his heart and ask for forgiveness.
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Yeah, you keep telling yourself that...

When your life is over, and you stand in judgment, you will feel every pain you caused in this life, even indirectly.

There are no simple words you can say to escape responsibility for your actions, as we will all find out soon enough!
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I would buy front row tickets to see your face when you get there and find out Krishna is the right answer. Or Zeus, or Shiva, or what have you.

The bible is very clear: repent, accept Jesus and you're saved, no matter what you did previously. Or you know better than this?
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read up on 'just war theory'
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A christian reading?!?!!? That's virtually impossible. They don't need to read anything else but their bible. All knowledge is there. The same for a muslim, or a hindu. I wonder christians would feel like a bunch of nitwits if they die and find out that Alah is the true god. Or Vishnu, or Zeus and so on...
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Trying to impute men's crimes to God will have consequences;

"And I saw three unclean inspired expressions [that looked] like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the wild beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are, in fact, expressions inspired by demons and perform signs, and they go forth to the kings of the entire inhabited earth, to gather them together to the war of the great day of God the Almighty.
15 “Look! I am coming as a thief. Happy is the one that stays awake and keeps his outer garments, that he may not walk naked and people look upon his shamefulness.
16 And they gathered them together to the place that is called in Hebrew HarMagedon." Rv16:13
 Quoting: DGN


Since we know that it is God who sets up kings and removes kings, for his purpose

Daniel 2:21
He changes times and seasons; he deposes kings and raises up others. He gives wisdom to the wise and knowledge to the discerning

And it is God who creates calamity

Isaiah 45:7

I form light and create darkness; I make well-being and create calamity; I am the LORD, who does all these things

Who controls the world events, including the wars that create calamity?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73486280

Playing devil's advocate is a deadly game, none will prevail;
"We know that every [person] that has been born from God does not practice sin, but the One born from God watches him, and the wicked one does not fasten his hold on him. 19 We know we originate with God, but the whole world is lying in the [power of the] wicked one. 20 But we know that the Son of God has come, and he has given us intellectual capacity that we may gain the knowledge of the true one. And we are in union with the true one, by means of his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God and life everlasting. 21 Little children, guard yourselves from idols." 1Jo5:19
 Quoting: DGN


EVERYTHING HAS A PRECISE APPOINTED TIME INCLUDING WAR.

God Almighty is responsible for everything and He brings about everything only at its precise "APPOINTED SEASON AND TIME." Let's read it:

"To every thing there is a season and a time to every purpose under the heaven" (Ecc. 3:1).

The implications of this verse are staggering. The very foundation of human psychology and theology crumbles under the weight of this declaration of God's Word. This is undoubtedly one of the ten most profound Scriptures in the entire Bible.

If we are to be honest and believe this verse, then we must concede that absolutely NOTHING is left out God's profound declaration.


There is no wasted motion in God's creation, purpose and plan. Everything has an appointed time, and everything includes: "every purpose, every work, every matter, every event, and every deed.


[1] "To every thing there is a season [appointed time] ,and a time to every purpose [matter or event] under the heaven" (Ecc. 3:1) .

AND:

[2] "I know that, whatsoever God does... NOTHING can be put to it, nor ANYTHING taken from it: and GOD does it" (Ecc. 3:14).

like everything else that is beyond the realm of carnal comprehension, all of these things too, have been foreordained and pre-determined to happen only at their "APPOINTED TIME." God has appointed a time for false prophets to add and God has appointed a time for false prophets to take away from His word.

HOW INTELLECTUALLY AND SPIRITUALLY HONEST ARE YOU?

Do you believe the two verses of Scripture that I have quoted above? Is there any honest way out of what they say? Is there room for such a think as "man's uncaused free will choices" in either of these two verses? Unless you still insist on believing in contradictions and square circles, this should not be too mentally challenging to anyone:

[1] God has PREDETERMINED a PRE-APPOINTED TIME for EVERYTHING THAT HAPPENS UNDER HEAVEN.

AND:

[2] Absolutely NOTHING can be ADDED TO OR TAKEN FROM this purpose of God's.

God is in control and that bothers you ?
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"Furthermore, [it is] YOU [God made alive] though YOU were dead in YOUR trespasses and sins, 2 in which YOU at one time walked according to the system of things of this world, according to the ruler of the authority of the air, the spirit that now operates in the sons of disobedience. 3 Yes, among them we all at one time conducted ourselves in harmony with the desires of our flesh, doing the things willed by the flesh and the thoughts, and we were naturally children of wrath even as the rest. 4 But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love with which he loved us, 5 made us alive together with the Christ, even when we were dead in trespasses—by undeserved kindness YOU have been saved> Eph2
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read up on 'just war theory'
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A christian reading?!?!!? That's virtually impossible. They don't need to read anything else but their bible. All knowledge is there. The same for a muslim, or a hindu. I wonder christians would feel like a bunch of nitwits if they die and find out that Alah is the true god. Or Vishnu, or Zeus and so on...
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"For though we walk in the flesh, we do not wage warfare according to [what we are in the] flesh. 4 For the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly, but powerful by God for overturning strongly entrenched things. 5 For we are overturning reasonings and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God; and we are bringing every thought into captivity to make it obedient to the Christ;" 2Cor10
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According to the rules, even Hitler could have been saved if he regret in his heart and ask for forgiveness.
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God hates the evil tyranny of men. But is full of grace and mercy to all who would come to the knowledge of Him.
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pretty sure its their duty to off that CO issuing the illegal order
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pretty sure its their duty to off that CO issuing the illegal order
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My duty (once we got back from Nam) was to refuse any further participation in the military industrial complex, and it's blood thirsty ,mass bombing of rice farming families, no matter how urgently the munition manufactures needed to expend their over stock to justify renewed billion dollar orders.
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W T F ???
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W T F ???
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It's rebuttal to the above posted 'kingdom of the heavens' which is completely Hollywood incoherent.

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