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Re: Want to see the result of viruses causing cell mutation, as in Ebola, Sci-fy Cult of evolution?
Darwin never said that. What he said was if there were no transitional fossils, then evolution could be falsified. Since then thousands of transition fossils have been found.
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Shhh!!!! Damn it! Don't you dare bring logic and facts onto this! Steve learned it in his last sunday school, it must be truth, regardless of completely false and a logic fallacy on itself.
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Re: Want to see the result of viruses causing cell mutation, as in Ebola, Sci-fy Cult of evolution?
Darwin never said that. What he said was if there were no transitional fossils, then evolution could be falsified. Since then thousands of transition fossils have been found.
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Yeah thousands and thousands of transitional fossils have been found since.

Cool story bro.

Interesting how you only require a handful of transitional fossils to believe evolutionism to be true, but on the other hand the gradual process of evolutionism should supply us with an extreme abundance of fossils.. yet none of these fossils have been found (yet!! they will be found! or maybe not, maybe none of them fossilized lolol!)
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Re: Want to see the result of viruses causing cell mutation, as in Ebola, Sci-fy Cult of evolution?
Tiktlalik, Archaeopteryx, Archosaurus, Pikia, Icthyostega, Cydodonts...thereís literally thousands of fossils.
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Fossils work because they back the same story as D.N.A does, they basically fact check one another.
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Fossils work because they back the same story as D.N.A does, they basically fact check one another.
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You forgot to mention homologies back the same story.

If you want to do some circular reasoning, please be complete.
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[link to www.livescience.com (secure)]

hey turd

snakes had arms and legs

they DE volved


if "GOD" can DEVOLVE....

could he not EVOLVE?
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Re: Want to see the result of viruses causing cell mutation, as in Ebola, Sci-fy Cult of evolution?
Tiktlalik, Archaeopteryx, Archosaurus, Pikia, Icthyostega, Cydodonts...thereís literally thousands of fossils.
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I see, thousands and thousands of fossils, I am amazed.

No living examples by any chance? Fruitflies perhaps, I've heard thousands of generations of them have been put to all sorts of tests, any updates on them?
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Re: Want to see the result of viruses causing cell mutation, as in Ebola, Sci-fy Cult of evolution?
I donít even need to bring up any other proofs of evolution such has homologous structures, E.R.Vs, or disabled genes. Thatís simply overkill. Now tell me, what mechanism prevents small amounts of mutations from piling up into big changes over long periods of time? How does it work and at what point does it activate.
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Fruit flies speculated and would no longer reproduce when placed in environments with different food (one was startch food, I forget the other.)
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Speciated*
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Live example? Some skinks in the wild have been transitioning from births through eggs to live births for years...
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I donít even need to bring up any other proofs of evolution such has homologous structures, E.R.Vs, or disabled genes. Thatís simply overkill. Now tell me, what mechanism prevents small amounts of mutations from piling up into big changes over long periods of time? How does it work and at what point does it activate.
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What?

You are describing a process that does not exist and/or misinterpreting it and ask me to explain away more random chance mechanisms concerning that process?

The question is, do you believe that the power of genes is limited or limitless. If I have to make a guess, you believe it to be limitless in the past, but you'll have to agree that the current state of science clearly proves set boundaries or limitations on level of the genome.
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Re: Want to see the result of viruses causing cell mutation, as in Ebola, Sci-fy Cult of evolution?
So Professor Darwin, how does that theory thingy go again?
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Hey ...When God created this world he made rules, like gravity and evolution. YOu don't believe in gravity? Step off that roof! Evolution is observable and obvious, although there's pretty good evidence manklind was also genetically modified by "alien" groups as well. And hey, God made them too. Don't limit God with your small vision. And while we are at it, God has no sex..pure spirit and love and bliss, so forgive my use of male pronoun.

Ok, you are going to quote Bible? A good history book plus a bunch of crafted tales by Council of Nicea etc. Read history.It is not proof of anything, anymore than "The Night Before Christmas" is proof of Santa Clause. The only possible proof is via your direct experiences. That constitutes knowledge. Many humans have had such experiences.

You needn't fret though. It doesn't matter really. What matters is how you live now. Lean as much as possible and apply it in the most positive way you can. That is enough. Be grateful. And stop being rude, as in your quote above.
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gods wet dream, your delusional feeds your own butt hurt mind. there is no GOD.
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Re: Want to see the result of viruses causing cell mutation, as in Ebola, Sci-fy Cult of evolution?
What I am saying is at what point do mutations cease to change a creature? D.N.A has finite limits, but the amount of changes possible with D.N.A is immense.
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Re: Want to see the result of viruses causing cell mutation, as in Ebola, Sci-fy Cult of evolution?
Live example? Some skinks in the wild have been transitioning from births through eggs to live births for years...
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I'll give you a list of words.



Genes.

Pre-existing information.

Alleles.

On.

Off.

Switch.


Perhaps another question, which of course will have an excellent reply from your behalf, after all these years of 'transitioning from births through eggs to live births', did the skins give birth to something that is not a skink?

You are getting better at drawing circles, your offspring is going to be selected for, for sure.
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Re: Want to see the result of viruses causing cell mutation, as in Ebola, Sci-fy Cult of evolution?
Evolution doesnít require them giving birth to something that is not a skunk. Still is evolution, just on a smaller scale. If you want something becoming something else entirely, look to the world of microbes.
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Re: Want to see the result of viruses causing cell mutation, as in Ebola, Sci-fy Cult of evolution?
Evolution doesnít require them giving birth to something that is not a skunk. Still is evolution, just on a smaller scale. If you want something becoming something else entirely, look to the world of microbes.
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I see.

You are one of those, well everything is evolution guys, aren't ya?

Oh look that bunny changed from a brown pelt to a white pelt, well, case closed, evolution is a fact. Want more evidence, go look at microbes and bacteria.

Winner.
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Re: Want to see the result of viruses causing cell mutation, as in Ebola, Sci-fy Cult of evolution?
Evolution is just the change in organisms across generations. The mechanisms between changes in an animals color and one animal becoming another is the same, just at a different scale and over different time periods. Scientifically they are literally the same thing.
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Re: Want to see the result of viruses causing cell mutation, as in Ebola, Sci-fy Cult of evolution?
Because of how quickly microbes reproduce, their macroevolution happens extremely quickly. Nylon consuming Bacteria and Yeast becoming a NEW, multi cell Fungi are both changes on par with a fish becoming an amphibian.
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Re: Want to see the result of viruses causing cell mutation, as in Ebola, Sci-fy Cult of evolution?
I donít even need to bring up any other proofs of evolution such has homologous structures, E.R.Vs, or disabled genes. Thatís simply overkill. Now tell me, what mechanism prevents small amounts of mutations from piling up into big changes over long periods of time? How does it work and at what point does it activate.
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Theories do not need to be disproved. The question isn't what prevents, it's where's the millions of claimed missing links? Did that sneaky old Easter bunny hide them in the bushes?
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Re: Want to see the result of viruses causing cell mutation, as in Ebola, Sci-fy Cult of evolution?
This is the fourth time I'm gonna explain this to you Steve:
Theory, in the scientific jargon, has a different meaning of theory as we use it in a day by day. Theory, when scientifically speaking, is something that has been proved again and again and all evidence points for it to be correct. Is not only a hunch.

For those discrediting human evolution, you could start here:
[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

There is a big list there. Be sure to go ahead into the "further reading" and "references" section. There is a LOT more to learn there.
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This is the fourth time I'm gonna explain this to you Steve:
Theory, in the scientific jargon, has a different meaning of theory as we use it in a day by day. Theory, when scientifically speaking, is something that has been proved again and again and all evidence points for it to be correct. Is not only a hunch.

For those discrediting human evolution, you could start here:
[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

There is a big list there. Be sure to go ahead into the "further reading" and "references" section. There is a LOT more to learn there.
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Nope Darwin's theory means I got a hunch but no proof, zero transitional fossils and if you can't disprove it I'm right regardless. Didn't you see the finches, they have different beaks?
lolsign
BTW the Wiki shows zero missing links of anything ever turning into something better, just remains of creatures that really did exist.
"Most of the fossils shown are not considered direct ancestors to Homo sapiens"

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Re: Want to see the result of viruses causing cell mutation, as in Ebola, Sci-fy Cult of evolution?
This is the fourth time I'm gonna explain this to you Steve:
Theory, in the scientific jargon, has a different meaning of theory as we use it in a day by day. Theory, when scientifically speaking, is something that has been proved again and again and all evidence points for it to be correct. Is not only a hunch.

For those discrediting human evolution, you could start here:
[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

There is a big list there. Be sure to go ahead into the "further reading" and "references" section. There is a LOT more to learn there.
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Nope Darwin's theory means I got a hunch but no proof, zero transitional fossils and if you can't disprove it I'm right regardless. Didn't you see the finches, they have different beaks?
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Would you be willing to learn a little about evolution, what it really is and how it really works, instead of doing what you're doing which is, take a point you don't quite understand, twist it to conform to your faith and then make claims that are not true? We can show you what it is, how it works and doesn't works, if you're willing to learn. And yes, there are plenty of videos to show you, since we are inclined to think that you ain't much of a reader.
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Re: Want to see the result of viruses causing cell mutation, as in Ebola, Sci-fy Cult of evolution?
There are MANY fossil trails. Archosaur fossil trail is among the most complete.
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This is the fourth time I'm gonna explain this to you Steve:
Theory, in the scientific jargon, has a different meaning of theory as we use it in a day by day. Theory, when scientifically speaking, is something that has been proved again and again and all evidence points for it to be correct. Is not only a hunch.

For those discrediting human evolution, you could start here:
[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

There is a big list there. Be sure to go ahead into the "further reading" and "references" section. There is a LOT more to learn there.
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Nope Darwin's theory means I got a hunch but no proof, zero transitional fossils and if you can't disprove it I'm right regardless. Didn't you see the finches, they have different beaks?
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Would you be willing to learn a little about evolution, what it really is and how it really works, instead of doing what you're doing which is, take a point you don't quite understand, twist it to conform to your faith and then make claims that are not true? We can show you what it is, how it works and doesn't works, if you're willing to learn. And yes, there are plenty of videos to show you, since we are inclined to think that you ain't much of a reader.
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The theory is easy to understand;
Train wreck mutation upgrades cells, rewrites their DNA resulting in precision form and function. like how the more wrecks a car has the better it gets. For example where do you think Corvettes come from, intelligent design? No they used to be Corvairs but after 50 years of rolling over and crashing they got upgraded to their current new improved condition. The ones that got crushed by the wrecker and run thru the metal shredder turn out best of all, like how mutating cells become tumors.

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Re: Want to see the result of viruses causing cell mutation, as in Ebola, Sci-fy Cult of evolution?
This is the fourth time I'm gonna explain this to you Steve:
Theory, in the scientific jargon, has a different meaning of theory as we use it in a day by day. Theory, when scientifically speaking, is something that has been proved again and again and all evidence points for it to be correct. Is not only a hunch.

For those discrediting human evolution, you could start here:
[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

There is a big list there. Be sure to go ahead into the "further reading" and "references" section. There is a LOT more to learn there.
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Nope Darwin's theory means I got a hunch but no proof, zero transitional fossils and if you can't disprove it I'm right regardless. Didn't you see the finches, they have different beaks?
lolsign
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Would you be willing to learn a little about evolution, what it really is and how it really works, instead of doing what you're doing which is, take a point you don't quite understand, twist it to conform to your faith and then make claims that are not true? We can show you what it is, how it works and doesn't works, if you're willing to learn. And yes, there are plenty of videos to show you, since we are inclined to think that you ain't much of a reader.
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The theory is easy to understand;
Train wreck mutation upgrades cells, rewrites their DNA resulting in precision form and function. like how the more wrecks a car has the better it gets. For example where do you think Corvettes come from, intelligent design? No they used to Corvairs but after 50 years of rolling over and crashing they got upgraded their current new improved condition.
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Didn't answered my question...
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Re: Want to see the result of viruses causing cell mutation, as in Ebola, Sci-fy Cult of evolution?
There are MANY fossil trails. Archosaur fossil trail is among the most complete.
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Yep. Archosaurs are a cool bunch :)
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Re: Want to see the result of viruses causing cell mutation, as in Ebola, Sci-fy Cult of evolution?
DGN, weíve talked about this before...mutations can be benifical. You can technically go and get tested to see what beneficial mutations you have.