ALERT - SpaceX is launching its broadband satellites into orbit this weekend

Just CGI.

Well, the total amount of land in the world is roughly 57 million square miles. So this many satellites is not even close to cover the whole world's communication.

Nope.

The car, I'll agree, could be. I mean it was so awesome looking, [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] that it must be fake!

But these satellites are the real deal. Thousands of them. Forget 5G, go SpaceX!

I'm calling BS on this

How is the 2way comms gonna work ?

Look at satellite TV ...the smallest dish is 18" and that's just for receiving ....24"-30" needed for uplink + high wattage for signal strength.

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Elon cries that the sky is falling regarding AI while he builds Skynet's house.

Sorry, For some reason my mind read this as being for cellphone use...

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Yea, LOL !!!

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It's been tracked by a multitude of observers, myself included.
[link to projectpluto.com (secure)]

From the geocentric orbital elements:
Orbital elements (geocentric): 2018-017A
Perigee 2018 Feb 7.107618 +/- 5.34e-5 TT = 2:34:58 (JD 2458156.607618)
Epoch 2018 Feb 8.0 TT = JDT 2458157.5 Gray
q 7194.62795 +/- 0.828 (J2000 equator)
H 25.4 G 0.15
Peri. 144.38401 +/- 0.0032
Node 288.26796 +/- 0.00047
e 1.2156565 +/- 4.55e-5 Incl. 28.79279 +/- 0.00056
269 of 277 observations 2018 Feb. 8-13; mean residual 0".358

First off, in bold at the top, the perigee date and time indicates it was closest to earth at about 9:35 pm eastern time on the 6th of February, about 6 hours after the Tesla was launched, right when the final burn to eject it from earth orbit was supposed to be occurring. See Elon's tweet from 1:28 PM pacific time on launch day (4:28 PM eastern, 5 hours prior to 9:30 pm when the final burn took place):
[link to twitter.com (secure)]

Secondly, also in bold near the bottom, the geocentric inclination is about 28 degrees, which by a shocking coincidence just happens to be the latitude of Florida where it launched from. That's not a coincidence though; they launched it from Florida with a heading of about 90 degrees due east, so it should have had an inclination roughly equal to the latitude of the launch site.

It's the Tesla and Second Stage. The launch was not faked, and the second stage really did blast itself out of earth orbit when and where they said it did.

Last Edited by Astromut on 02/14/2018 12:16 PM

You spotted "something." Yes. But there is no way we can say that this is the Tesla, compared to say literal deadweight or some other secret payload... SpaceX does not work with NASA not for nothing and they need to stay in good graces with the US government, so _anything_ is possible. And seeing what we have seen with the hoodwinking that goes on - literally, who knows...

They protect satellites in all kinds of layers of special foils, metals, materials and insulation. Yet this roadster can just zip right up there and howdy doody time, it's show time.

Forget the massive heat and incredible cold (spinning or not), what about the space winds? [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]


"The steady plasmaspheric wind, caused by an imbalance between gravitational, centrifugal and pressure gradient forces, sweeps about a kilo of plasmaspheric material out toward the magnetosphere every second, at speeds of more than 5,000 km per hour. It's always active, unlike the plasma plumes, which are governed by geomagnetic activity coming from the Sun. Due to the wind, the plasmasphere loses up to 90 tons of material every day."
See more: [link to www.popsci.com (secure)]

and - [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]



Once again, I believe the launch was real. Those boaster rockets did land again, which was cool as all get-go. Yes, I'll give it some odds that this really was his Tesla up there... BUT, I would giver higher odds that there is a secret payload up there and not a bloody car.

I wonder, did it still have it's license plates on it?

Last Edited by 2012Portal on 02/14/2018 12:20 PM

No. Not just something. There is no question that the object I spotted is the Falcon Heavy second stage.



It's dead weight. It didn't have to "do" anything other than look nice. And from the outgassing of the seals and the bubbling up of the center dash area, it's clear it wasn't designed for space.

You think solar wind is going to matter to a multi-ton second stage and car? Not over the short time scale that it's been up there. Solar wind is minuscule for an object of that mass and size. Guys, you're just showing your own ignorance of astronomy and spaceflight with this nonsense. Don't discredit yourselves.

This is getting crazy!

:crazed:

T'would be supreme to have full earth coverage, but the more stuff we put up there the more chances a cascade fault - one thing crashes into another thing crashing into other things, etc - could happen and render space unattainable for thousands of years on account of too much debris in orbit

Last Edited by RandomS on 02/14/2018 12:34 PM

"Space" is not like the size of your backyard ya'know?

Parts should be flinging off the car, at the very least. At least I would suspect. Clear is clear, I am no astrophysicist. I respect your information and learn a lot from it.

Do you have any videos that show parts of the car bubbling or what have you?

Yes, you saw the second stage, for sure. Just not sure they really, truly, placed an automobile into orbit. Well, on a path to swing by Mars! (Odd, Isn't it... why Mars?)

Exactly, can't wait to hear them deny world wide internet when it is a free commodity.

You've seen it represented in that movie.. uh.. where the lady is in orbit and there's an accident.. Gravity?.. anyway, the theory is:

Thing a) crashes into thing b), both break up into smaller pieces which then fly off like a shotgun shot and hit things c) through f), which also break up, and in the same way fly off and hit other stuff, which break up and..

Eventually you are left with an impossible to navigate field of small debris, like the size of a screw, let's say, flying about erratically in all vectors, at super sonic speeds..

Cascade effect.. Snowball failure!

Last Edited by RandomS on 02/14/2018 12:48 PM

Because you say so? No.

See, this is the defect in thinking I see all the time in conspiracy circles. You need to break yourself of it. It comes down to substituting personal expectations for evidence of something awry, especially in unusual circumstances like a car in space. Physics doesn't give a damn what your personal expectations are, and if those expectations are violated it doesn't mean the world is wrong. But that's the mistake in thinking I see all the time. This went against what I expected, therefore it's wrong, therefore it was faked. Wrong. Your expectations were wrong, and there is a fuck ton of independent evidence that it really did happen.

By the way, the cloud patterns have been matched up to various weather satellite images from that day, they match up.
[link to www.metabunk.org (secure)]
So there's that too. And it leaves me wondering, why would they even bother faking this if they actually launched the second stage up there for real? That's a lot of effort and a dangerous game to play, especially if you're really blasting that second stage on the trajectory you said you were anyway. It's like me going out to film the launch itself, but then faking it all with CGI and uploading that even though I did film it. Why the fuck would I do that?

I suggest you study SpaceX some more and read up on their stated goals and intentions. Their entire purpose and reason for existence is to one day get humans to Mars. They have a huge mural in their headquarters of Mars undergoing terraforming.

Kessler syndrome. It's real, but the time scale for it is a lot longer than depicted in Gravity.

Awesome, thanks for weighing in with your real knowledge of the matter!

Don't get me wrong, I am all for the use and exploration of space, but the more people putting stuff up there the harder it will be for them all to avoid each other, being on different networks and so on, is my theory!

Here is an example:
Take lets say the whole state of Texas, all empty, no houses, mountains, water nothing, just a huge freaking nothing. Toss a fridge in a random spot. Then do it like 10000 more times. Now, tell me the odds of tossing a fridge and hit another fridge. Remember, the WHOLE state. And the proportions in space are even bigger.

Parts should be flinging off the car, at the very least.

Because you say so? No.

See, this is the defect in thinking I see all the time in conspiracy circles. You need to break yourself of it. It comes down to substituting personal expectations for evidence of something awry, especially in unusual circumstances like a car in space. Physics doesn't give a damn what your personal expectations are, and if those expectations are violated it doesn't mean the world is wrong. But that's the mistake in thinking I see all the time. This went against what I expected, therefore it's wrong, therefore it was faked. Wrong. Your expectations were wrong, and there is a fuck ton of independent evidence that it really did happen.

By the way, the cloud patterns have been matched up to various weather satellite images from that day, they match up.
[link to www.metabunk.org (secure)]
So there's that too. And it leaves me wondering, why would they even bother faking this if they actually launched the second stage up there for real? That's a lot of effort and a dangerous game to play, especially if you're really blasting that second stage on the trajectory you said you were anyway. It's like me going out to film the launch itself, but then faking it all with CGI and uploading that even though I did film it. Why the fuck would I do that?

I suggest you study SpaceX some more and read up on their stated goals and intentions. Their entire purpose and reason for existence is to one day get humans to Mars. They have a huge mural in their headquarters of Mars undergoing terraforming.



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Here are my replies..


Not because I say so. I would like more thought and proof though. His press conference was not very scientifically based or reassuring. In any event, I am a critical thinker. That is one reason I found my way back to Yehovah, God our father in heaven. I tried to prove every Bible study wrong, till that I realised I could not.

Anyway, there certainly could be his Tesla up there. Yet a studio production is just as important to TPTB, and that is a fact. Not a fact that Musk is working for them on this, but just in general. So till I see more evidence pointing to it being a car up there and not something else, I will keep questioning.

Why would they CGI/studio produce the car in space part?
Many reasons. Testing the hoodwink ability of the general public, one HUGE advertisement for Tesla (would not want that care torn to shreds on the live feed, would he!) and last but not leaset, because they can. (equally as applies to throwing a car up in space in the first place.)

By the way, I have said since I first saw this, that if we can match up the weather patterns, that this would be a big step reassuring us this was real. Thanks for that link.

Lastly, a question:

Those bay doors or doors around the second stage that harboured the Tesla. They exploded off. Why? And, those two objects are also huge. Where are they now?

Last Edited by 2012Portal on 02/14/2018 01:31 PM

The Kessler syndrome (also called the Kessler effect, collisional cascading or ablation cascade), proposed by the NASA scientist Donald J. Kessler in 1978, is a scenario in which the density of objects in low earth orbit (LEO) is high enough that collisions between objects could cause a cascade where each collision generates space debris that increases the likelihood of further collisions.[3] One implication is that the distribution of debris in orbit could render space activities and the use of satellites in specific orbital ranges infeasible for many generations.

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]



In your scenario, every time you tossed a fridge, that fridge breaks up into a million pieces and scatters all over the place, hitting other fridges who also explode into a million pieces and scatter all over the place, until the entire state is covered with debris, and you can't drive a car through without getting it all over your tires.. ugh, messy!

Last Edited by RandomS on 02/14/2018 01:35 PM

The satellites are to link between 5G terrestrial transponders. The satellites will be the inter-backbone since 5G ultra-high frequency has such a limited line-of-sight range. Wireless 10Gb world coverage is a nice plan if they can get it to work. Something about pass-through routing and no servers much like point-to-point file transfers.