Call to Arms by Joerg Sprave of the Slingshot Channel, to form a Youtuber's Union to combat censorship and demonetization - youtubers unite! | |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 74070273 United States 03/04/2018 11:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Call to Arms by Joerg Sprave of the Slingshot Channel, to form a Youtuber's Union to combat censorship and demonetization - youtubers unite! Thats fucking brilliant. Force union rules on YouTube. Normally I’d be against forming a collective bargaining gang but in this instance it’d be poetic justice. |
FlashBuzzkill User ID: 75251329 United States 03/04/2018 12:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Call to Arms by Joerg Sprave of the Slingshot Channel, to form a Youtuber's Union to combat censorship and demonetization - youtubers unite! Screw YT, abandon them for the leftist authoritarians they are and give your money and attention to alternative hosting platforms. YT going out of business would be the best message we can possibly send. I think it's a damn important message too. Content creators need to make the move and those who support those channels it's time to pony up, send some money so they can make that transition. Stop making billions for a communist company! Last Edited by FlashBuzzkill on 03/04/2018 12:12 PM Gen. John B Gordon and Gen. Nathan Bedford Forrest were the finest citizen-soldiers birthed in America. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75253704 United States 03/04/2018 12:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Call to Arms by Joerg Sprave of the Slingshot Channel, to form a Youtuber's Union to combat censorship and demonetization - youtubers unite! Good luck. Hopefully it gains traction but why not leave and let them fall apart Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71688786 Google and Youtube do not charge you. (unless you get the premium service, etc). They give their services for free, as far as the consumer is concerned. It is really for advertising dollars, which means their advertising clients with the most money have the most control. So, they are in business to make money, and if you want their services, you must play by their rules. If they make money with cute cat videos that bring in the same amount of money as controversial political videos, they are happy to remove the controversial videos. |
Vision Thing (OP) User ID: 76008581 United States 03/04/2018 12:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Call to Arms by Joerg Sprave of the Slingshot Channel, to form a Youtuber's Union to combat censorship and demonetization - youtubers unite! Thanks for the responses. I don't know what the solution is but I know I like Joerg Sprave so much. I hope you watched the video and didn't just read the short excerpt I posted. And if you haven't watched his channel, here's the first video of his that I watched that got me hooked forever: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76300183 United States 03/04/2018 12:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Call to Arms by Joerg Sprave of the Slingshot Channel, to form a Youtuber's Union to combat censorship and demonetization - youtubers unite! Youtube has the infrastructure, just like the factory owner does. The content providers are using the infrastructure to produce the content, just like factory workers do. So they should unionize. When the workers are being abused by the management they must speak in one voice and demand their rights. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76320664 Japan 03/04/2018 01:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Call to Arms by Joerg Sprave of the Slingshot Channel, to form a Youtuber's Union to combat censorship and demonetization - youtubers unite! Good luck. Hopefully it gains traction but why not leave and let them fall apart Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71688786 Google and Youtube do not charge you. (unless you get the premium service, etc). They give their services for free, as far as the consumer is concerned. It is really for advertising dollars, which means their advertising clients with the most money have the most control. So, they are in business to make money, and if you want their services, you must play by their rules. If they make money with cute cat videos that bring in the same amount of money as controversial political videos, they are happy to remove the controversial videos. Sure but is that all the audience wants to watch? NO. They can go that route if they choose, but they will lose viewers and create a vacuum that another site will fill. Youtube will soon be known as the place your grandma goes to watch cat videos and that's about it. |
Vision Thing (OP) User ID: 76008581 United States 03/04/2018 01:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Call to Arms by Joerg Sprave of the Slingshot Channel, to form a Youtuber's Union to combat censorship and demonetization - youtubers unite! Youtube has the infrastructure, just like the factory owner does. The content providers are using the infrastructure to produce the content, just like factory workers do. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76300183 So they should unionize. When the workers are being abused by the management they must speak in one voice and demand their rights. Great analogy, content creators are the producers of what youtube sells. Joerg said that too, in a different way, it's good to hear it put different ways to make it clear. Thanks. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75253704 United States 03/04/2018 01:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Call to Arms by Joerg Sprave of the Slingshot Channel, to form a Youtuber's Union to combat censorship and demonetization - youtubers unite! Good luck. Hopefully it gains traction but why not leave and let them fall apart Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71688786 Google and Youtube do not charge you. (unless you get the premium service, etc). They give their services for free, as far as the consumer is concerned. It is really for advertising dollars, which means their advertising clients with the most money have the most control. So, they are in business to make money, and if you want their services, you must play by their rules. If they make money with cute cat videos that bring in the same amount of money as controversial political videos, they are happy to remove the controversial videos. Sure but is that all the audience wants to watch? NO. They can go that route if they choose, but they will lose viewers and create a vacuum that another site will fill. Youtube will soon be known as the place your grandma goes to watch cat videos and that's about it. "Sure but is that all the audience wants to watch? NO." Actually, it pretty much is. The majority of people today care more about cat videos, celebrity gossip, rap stars, etc, than they do about so-called "conspiracy theories". "create a vacuum that another site will fill" It's not that easy. And even if such a site were created, ultimately, that site will be subject to the same people who control Google and Youtube. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75946570 United States 03/04/2018 01:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Call to Arms by Joerg Sprave of the Slingshot Channel, to form a Youtuber's Union to combat censorship and demonetization - youtubers unite! Screw YT, abandon them for the leftist authoritarians they are and give your money and attention to alternative hosting platforms. YT going out of business would be the best message we can possibly send. I think it's a damn important message too. Quoting: FlashBuzzkill Content creators need to make the move and those who support those channels it's time to pony up, send some money so they can make that transition. Stop making billions for a communist company! I agree. To hell with YT. Crisis creates opportunity. I have no doubt that there a GLPer's here that are talented enough to seize this opportunity. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76320664 Japan 03/04/2018 01:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Call to Arms by Joerg Sprave of the Slingshot Channel, to form a Youtuber's Union to combat censorship and demonetization - youtubers unite! Good luck. Hopefully it gains traction but why not leave and let them fall apart Quoting: Anonymous Coward 71688786 Google and Youtube do not charge you. (unless you get the premium service, etc). They give their services for free, as far as the consumer is concerned. It is really for advertising dollars, which means their advertising clients with the most money have the most control. So, they are in business to make money, and if you want their services, you must play by their rules. If they make money with cute cat videos that bring in the same amount of money as controversial political videos, they are happy to remove the controversial videos. Sure but is that all the audience wants to watch? NO. They can go that route if they choose, but they will lose viewers and create a vacuum that another site will fill. Youtube will soon be known as the place your grandma goes to watch cat videos and that's about it. "Sure but is that all the audience wants to watch? NO." Actually, it pretty much is. The majority of people today care more about cat videos, celebrity gossip, rap stars, etc, than they do about so-called "conspiracy theories". "create a vacuum that another site will fill" It's not that easy. And even if such a site were created, ultimately, that site will be subject to the same people who control Google and Youtube. So you're essentially saying they are "Too big to fail"? I don't believe that. It will just take the perfect storm to make it happen but I believe the censorship conditions are ripe. The 2020 election will BREAK them, I think you underestimate the audience, once the masses have a reason to pay attention to politics again. |
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Resister User ID: 74908232 United States 03/04/2018 01:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Call to Arms by Joerg Sprave of the Slingshot Channel, to form a Youtuber's Union to combat censorship and demonetization - youtubers unite! That guy is cool. What a great spokesperson to rally around too. "God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76305468 United States 03/04/2018 01:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Call to Arms by Joerg Sprave of the Slingshot Channel, to form a Youtuber's Union to combat censorship and demonetization - youtubers unite! Very European approach, very feudal, grovel to your corporate overlords and beseech mercy. Oh please, don't be so ruthless, give us a few crumbs and we will go back under our rocks. NO, F'YT. Burn it down. Once you betray your base, there is no more trust it will happen again. D.tube |
Vision Thing (OP) User ID: 76008581 United States 03/04/2018 01:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Call to Arms by Joerg Sprave of the Slingshot Channel, to form a Youtuber's Union to combat censorship and demonetization - youtubers unite! I really like him, his videos are awesome, he has super engineering abilities and he's using them in a way that is really productive, he's making a great contribution to present day reality by making high-powered weapons out of old plywood, sheet metal, rubber and air canisters. He posts videos for directions for making extremely powerful arrow shooters with parts that you can buy on Amazon. |
Vision Thing (OP) User ID: 76008581 United States 03/04/2018 01:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Call to Arms by Joerg Sprave of the Slingshot Channel, to form a Youtuber's Union to combat censorship and demonetization - youtubers unite! Very European approach, very feudal, grovel to your corporate overlords and beseech mercy. Oh please, don't be so ruthless, give us a few crumbs and we will go back under our rocks. NO, F'YT. Burn it down. Once you betray your base, there is no more trust it will happen again. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76305468 D.tube Have you explored his channel? The guy is demonstrating how you can take some plywood boards and some other parts from the hardware store and make extremely powerful,lethal, legal weapons in your home workshop with ordinary tools. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76305468 United States 03/04/2018 01:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Call to Arms by Joerg Sprave of the Slingshot Channel, to form a Youtuber's Union to combat censorship and demonetization - youtubers unite! Very European approach, very feudal, grovel to your corporate overlords and beseech mercy. Oh please, don't be so ruthless, give us a few crumbs and we will go back under our rocks. NO, F'YT. Burn it down. Once you betray your base, there is no more trust it will happen again. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76305468 D.tube Have you explored his channel? The guy is demonstrating how you can take some plywood boards and some other parts from the hardware store and make extremely powerful,lethal, legal weapons in your home workshop with ordinary tools. OP, no, I'm not against Joerg, it is the European cultural mindset, their approach in solving issues like this, the methodology. Corporations are only interested in the bottom line. If they burn you, its a divorce. If you are married, come home from work, and the neighbor is humping and pumping your wife, you don't want your wife anymore. Spare me the tears. Screw these flippant corporate whores like YouTube. Be gone. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 75253704 United States 03/04/2018 01:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Call to Arms by Joerg Sprave of the Slingshot Channel, to form a Youtuber's Union to combat censorship and demonetization - youtubers unite! ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75253704 Google and Youtube do not charge you. (unless you get the premium service, etc). They give their services for free, as far as the consumer is concerned. It is really for advertising dollars, which means their advertising clients with the most money have the most control. So, they are in business to make money, and if you want their services, you must play by their rules. If they make money with cute cat videos that bring in the same amount of money as controversial political videos, they are happy to remove the controversial videos. Sure but is that all the audience wants to watch? NO. They can go that route if they choose, but they will lose viewers and create a vacuum that another site will fill. Youtube will soon be known as the place your grandma goes to watch cat videos and that's about it. "Sure but is that all the audience wants to watch? NO." Actually, it pretty much is. The majority of people today care more about cat videos, celebrity gossip, rap stars, etc, than they do about so-called "conspiracy theories". "create a vacuum that another site will fill" It's not that easy. And even if such a site were created, ultimately, that site will be subject to the same people who control Google and Youtube. So you're essentially saying they are "Too big to fail"? I don't believe that. It will just take the perfect storm to make it happen but I believe the censorship conditions are ripe. The 2020 election will BREAK them, I think you underestimate the audience, once the masses have a reason to pay attention to politics again. There are a few reasons. The "too big to fail" issue has benefited big banks and corporations in the past, so it is a real issue. One thing is that it is very expensive to serve up lots of videos, especially if viewers demand high resolution. So any alternative to Youtube requires deep pockets. Youtube, of course, has deep pockets because it is funded by people with a mission. Another reason is that even with an independent site, it is still dependent on the rest of the internet, which is not independent. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 59618971 United States 03/04/2018 02:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Call to Arms by Joerg Sprave of the Slingshot Channel, to form a Youtuber's Union to combat censorship and demonetization - youtubers unite! Wait... so we're pro socialism now? Youtube may do a bunch of underhanded BS but it's their site. When we come to GLP we are bound by GLP's rules and anything we post is subject to removal if Trinity or other admin don't like what we've posted. The same goes for Youtube. If Youtube bans or censors a person for whatever reason, it is their right. They pay for the bandwidth to host and serve your video so they choose what sits on their servers. If we don't like it there are plenty other video sites that can host our videos. The problem is that the other sites don't even have a quarter of viewers and don't exactly pay what Youtube pays. If the viewers support the creators they will follow the creators to other sites and maybe pay a monthly fee. Unions are socialist and border on communism. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76305468 United States 03/04/2018 03:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Call to Arms by Joerg Sprave of the Slingshot Channel, to form a Youtuber's Union to combat censorship and demonetization - youtubers unite! Wait... so we're pro socialism now? Youtube may do a bunch of underhanded BS but it's their site. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59618971 When we come to GLP we are bound by GLP's rules and anything we post is subject to removal if Trinity or other admin don't like what we've posted. The same goes for Youtube. If Youtube bans or censors a person for whatever reason, it is their right. They pay for the bandwidth to host and serve your video so they choose what sits on their servers. If we don't like it there are plenty other video sites that can host our videos. The problem is that the other sites don't even have a quarter of viewers and don't exactly pay what Youtube pays. If the viewers support the creators they will follow the creators to other sites and maybe pay a monthly fee. Unions are socialist and border on communism. In general, many YT content creators have contracts and have complied with the terms and then their channel account is modified by YT in a breech of those terms. You are correct TY can do what it pleases but when contracts are breeched then you either arbitrate the dispute or take it to court. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76305468 United States 03/04/2018 03:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Call to Arms by Joerg Sprave of the Slingshot Channel, to form a Youtuber's Union to combat censorship and demonetization - youtubers unite! Wait... so we're pro socialism now? Youtube may do a bunch of underhanded BS but it's their site. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59618971 When we come to GLP we are bound by GLP's rules and anything we post is subject to removal if Trinity or other admin don't like what we've posted. The same goes for Youtube. If Youtube bans or censors a person for whatever reason, it is their right. They pay for the bandwidth to host and serve your video so they choose what sits on their servers. If we don't like it there are plenty other video sites that can host our videos. The problem is that the other sites don't even have a quarter of viewers and don't exactly pay what Youtube pays. If the viewers support the creators they will follow the creators to other sites and maybe pay a monthly fee. Unions are socialist and border on communism. Ding! Ding! Ding! See how that slithers in? He is right. |
Vision Thing (OP) User ID: 76008581 United States 03/04/2018 03:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Call to Arms by Joerg Sprave of the Slingshot Channel, to form a Youtuber's Union to combat censorship and demonetization - youtubers unite! Wait... so we're pro socialism now? Youtube may do a bunch of underhanded BS but it's their site. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59618971 When we come to GLP we are bound by GLP's rules and anything we post is subject to removal if Trinity or other admin don't like what we've posted. The same goes for Youtube. If Youtube bans or censors a person for whatever reason, it is their right. They pay for the bandwidth to host and serve your video so they choose what sits on their servers. If we don't like it there are plenty other video sites that can host our videos. The problem is that the other sites don't even have a quarter of viewers and don't exactly pay what Youtube pays. If the viewers support the creators they will follow the creators to other sites and maybe pay a monthly fee. Unions are socialist and border on communism. In general, many YT content creators have contracts and have complied with the terms and then their channel account is modified by YT in a breech of those terms. You are correct TY can do what it pleases but when contracts are breeched then you either arbitrate the dispute or take it to court. Yes if you read the transcript linked in the video description, or watch the video all the way through, he wants better communication and better policies between Youtube and Youtube's "partners" which is what they've always called their content creators. He wants consistency of enforcement of terms, and reasonable policies without double standards. I don't see anything communistic or socialistic about this at all. You're just objecting to the word. Obviously this isn't about wages or workers striking. And seriously, if people are working in a coal mine and getting killed every day while starving to death to make some guy rich, then if me supporting their right to unionize makes me a "communist", so be it. I do not support government worker's unions, that's bullshit. and yes some unions have overreached their power. BUT all that aside! This isn't about any of that! It's about people coming together for better communication! The use of the word union bothers you, maybe they should call it something else? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73031661 United States 03/04/2018 03:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: Call to Arms by Joerg Sprave of the Slingshot Channel, to form a Youtuber's Union to combat censorship and demonetization - youtubers unite! Wait... so we're pro socialism now? Youtube may do a bunch of underhanded BS but it's their site. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59618971 When we come to GLP we are bound by GLP's rules and anything we post is subject to removal if Trinity or other admin don't like what we've posted. The same goes for Youtube. If Youtube bans or censors a person for whatever reason, it is their right. They pay for the bandwidth to host and serve your video so they choose what sits on their servers. If we don't like it there are plenty other video sites that can host our videos. The problem is that the other sites don't even have a quarter of viewers and don't exactly pay what Youtube pays. If the viewers support the creators they will follow the creators to other sites and maybe pay a monthly fee. Unions are socialist and border on communism. Thats why europeans have 4 weeks of vacation, parental leave, free education, free health care. While you slave away. |