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Tobacco and various hallucinogenic drugs were smoked all over the Americas as early as 5000 BC, in shamanistic rituals. Traces of cocaine and tobacco, plants only to have existed in the Americas prior to Columbus, were found in some Egyptian mummies.

German scientist Dr Svetla Balabanova was studying the mummified remains of Lady Henut Taui, a member of the ruling class, when she made a surprising discovery the mummy contained traces of nicotine and cocaine . Disbelief in the findings led to alternative hypotheses, for example, that the tests were contaminated or the mummies were fakes, but these ideas were disproved and the mummy and the test results were found to be authentic.

The results were particularly surprising considering that tobacco and coca plants, which were only found in the Americas at the time, were not exported overseas until the Victorian era in the 19th century. Could it be that the ancient Egyptians had made it all the way to America 3,000 years ago?
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Sorry that was me when I ruled Egypt. The white powder makes girls things.........lol
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Sorry that was me when I ruled Egypt. The white powder makes girls things.........lol
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Traces of cocaine and tobacco, plants only to have existed in the Americas prior to Columbus, were found in some Egyptian mummies.

Could it be that the ancient Egyptians had made it all the way to America 3,000 years ago?

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There was trade between the Indian civilizations of south America and the advanced peoples of northern Africa prior to the Roman empire, the trade winds allowed easy travel in both directions and they had the boats big enough to do it. This is one of the things the Catholic church was desperate to suppress.
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the oceans were lower during the northern hemisphere ice age of current underwater cities and above pyramids. less water between land masses equal shorter water routes and more stops along the ways.
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I remember reading about this years ago. Interesting stuff.
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the oceans were lower during the northern hemisphere ice age of current underwater cities and above pyramids. less water between land masses equal shorter water routes and more stops along the ways.
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Fixed a double post. I hate it when I do that.

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Ibero-America

Ibero is phonetically Hebrew

Why Phonetically?

Let the writings of Herodotus explain...

The ancient Greeks reached the Iberian Peninsula, of which they had heard from the Phoenicians, by voyaging westward on the Mediterranean. Hecataeus of Miletus was the first known to use the term Iberia, which he wrote about circa 500 BC. Herodotus of Halicarnassus says of the Phocaeans that "it was they who made the Greeks acquainted with... Iberia." According to Strabo, prior historians used Iberia to mean the country "this side of Iberos)" as far north as the river Rhône in France, but currently they set the Pyrenees as the limit. Polybius respects that limit, but identifies Iberia as the Mediterranean side as far south as Gibraltar, with the Atlantic side having no name. Elsewhere he says that Saguntum is "on the seaward foot of the range of hills connecting Iberia and Celtiberia."

How can I possibly say that Ibero...where the country named Iberia gets it from, is Hebrew?

Easy...

Look at their written language.

It's Paleo-Hebrew. Didn't even miss a hot.

There is more archeological evidence for cradle of civilization people being in America than there's not.

It will take 100 years before these ever become accepted fact in Academia...if ever.

The Phoenician people were amazing sailors and even more amazing astronomers.

They understood latitude AND Longitude and the people's they carried all over the world left their mark everywhere they went.

The secret of "the new world" was because of lost culture.

I can tell you it was the goat humpers that were directly responsible for that being lost.

However, they themselves maintained the information and transmitted it down through modern time on a need to know basis because it was they who first began the slave trade of native Africans back to the cradle of civilization people, as well as the continual sale of the same to those amazing sailors to be sold on their far away journeys...to South and Central America.

After a short loss of that information...about 250 years, it was the Islamic invasion of the Turkish Spring that cut off the trade with India and China that resulted in Columbus being sent out by the king and queen of Spain to find a different route to get back to the Indies and China.

Columbus was not really his name. That's the clue.

The routes he took were ones known in antiquity as well as being route the Islamic world was aware existed, as some of them had been there, via these selfsame sailors in the 1100s. Fact.

The reason why Columbus himself is steeped in mystery when he should not be was to cover all this known information about land over here.

The king and queens daughter was Cathrine of Aragon who was married at the time to the sitting king of England.

All the royal elite well knew there was land and people over in a new land and there was active slave trade for workers and goods there.

As an aside to this aside, it is a widely accepted theory that the Maya and Inca leaders were captured and brought to places in North America and became the leaders of the native populations in the lands of their resettlement as the slave trade began going both directions at some point in time.

This is evidenced by the sudden appearance of mound builders and in particular the worship of the feathered serpent, found in both Middle Eastern and South/Central American mythology.

The relationship between Central America and the Middle East cannot, even for a second be questioned by archeological evidence.

It is Academia that prevents these truths from seeing the full light of day because it proves some things they'd rather not address.
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5,000 BC is 7,000 years ago. Otherwise, great post. Thanks!
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The land was all one huge continent back then. There was no Atlantic Ocean.
Get over it or die mad.
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Ibero-America

Ibero is phonetically Hebrew

Why Phonetically?

Let the writings of Herodotus explain...

The ancient Greeks reached the Iberian Peninsula, of which they had heard from the Phoenicians, by voyaging westward on the Mediterranean. Hecataeus of Miletus was the first known to use the term Iberia, which he wrote about circa 500 BC. Herodotus of Halicarnassus says of the Phocaeans that "it was they who made the Greeks acquainted with... Iberia." According to Strabo, prior historians used Iberia to mean the country "this side of Iberos)" as far north as the river Rhône in France, but currently they set the Pyrenees as the limit. Polybius respects that limit, but identifies Iberia as the Mediterranean side as far south as Gibraltar, with the Atlantic side having no name. Elsewhere he says that Saguntum is "on the seaward foot of the range of hills connecting Iberia and Celtiberia."

How can I possibly say that Ibero...where the country named Iberia gets it from, is Hebrew?

Easy...

Look at their written language.

It's Paleo-Hebrew. Didn't even miss a hot.

There is more archeological evidence for cradle of civilization people being in America than there's not.

It will take 100 years before these ever become accepted fact in Academia...if ever.

The Phoenician people were amazing sailors and even more amazing astronomers.

They understood latitude AND Longitude and the people's they carried all over the world left their mark everywhere they went.

The secret of "the new world" was because of lost culture.

I can tell you it was the goat humpers that were directly responsible for that being lost.

However, they themselves maintained the information and transmitted it down through modern time on a need to know basis because it was they who first began the slave trade of native Africans back to the cradle of civilization people, as well as the continual sale of the same to those amazing sailors to be sold on their far away journeys...to South and Central America.

After a short loss of that information...about 250 years, it was the Islamic invasion of the Turkish Spring that cut off the trade with India and China that resulted in Columbus being sent out by the king and queen of Spain to find a different route to get back to the Indies and China.

Columbus was not really his name. That's the clue.

The routes he took were ones known in antiquity as well as being route the Islamic world was aware existed, as some of them had been there, via these selfsame sailors in the 1100s. Fact.

The reason why Columbus himself is steeped in mystery when he should not be was to cover all this known information about land over here.

The king and queens daughter was Cathrine of Aragon who was married at the time to the sitting king of England.

All the royal elite well knew there was land and people over in a new land and there was active slave trade for workers and goods there.

As an aside to this aside, it is a widely accepted theory that the Maya and Inca leaders were captured and brought to places in North America and became the leaders of the native populations in the lands of their resettlement as the slave trade began going both directions at some point in time.

This is evidenced by the sudden appearance of mound builders and in particular the worship of the feathered serpent, found in both Middle Eastern and South/Central American mythology.

The relationship between Central America and the Middle East cannot, even for a second be questioned by archeological evidence.

It is Academia that prevents these truths from seeing the full light of day because it proves some things they'd rather not address.
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yes, it is Ivri in some languages. Ibero works too.
Columbus was a Marrano - that is a working theory.

the New World was called Columbus's Medina in some old songs.... Columbus's world.... the song I am thinking of is "The Green Cousin", known in German and a related language...

green means new, like a greenhorn.

ivri = ibr

vowels do not matter. b is a v phonetically in many languages too.

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The language of that song is the one studied at the YIVO institute in NYC, where else?

looking for a link

this will do



[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]


I have a thesis paper there if they did not toss it. kinda funny how you study something in college, then your life takes you to Idaho..... metaphorically speaking!

and you just love Idaho....

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Yes. Absolutely correct. No vowels. I forget that isn't common knowledge and that was my mistake.

Very good etymologic contribution on Iberia and it's name origin for the region. That explained something I hadn't considered on a different topic.

I've recently dove back into Paleo-Hebrew which is the same as ancient Phoenician but the earliest is pictoral and it is blowing my mind when breaking down words back into their pictures.

It tells both an agricultural and seafaring story.

Really freaking cool.

The Central America early stuff relied heavily on the agricultural nature and has made me want to go back and dig a little deeper now that I know more stuff.

Their structures and architecture harkens an antediluvuan feel to it that suggests to me the relationship of those cultures to the pre-flood and immediate post-flood civilization may have been well established and quite strong.

The architecture blows everything else away.

The serpent and the bird thing...where you clap and you hear both as a 1,2 delayed echo...freaking amazing!

I'll bet the Egyptians really did take a fast liking to the cocaine.

Those are harsh conditions for workers too so I'm sure this was a commodity that could have extended to the laborers for greater production.

Not much has changed in 5000 years. lol
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thank you, Innocent
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Yes. Absolutely correct. No vowels. I forget that isn't common knowledge and that was my mistake.

Very good etymologic contribution on Iberia and it's name origin for the region. That explained something I hadn't considered on a different topic.

I've recently dove back into Paleo-Hebrew which is the same as ancient Phoenician but the earliest is pictoral and it is blowing my mind when breaking down words back into their pictures.

It tells both an agricultural and seafaring story.

Really freaking cool.

The Central America early stuff relied heavily on the agricultural nature and has made me want to go back and dig a little deeper now that I know more stuff.

Their structures and architecture harkens an antediluvuan feel to it that suggests to me the relationship of those cultures to the pre-flood and immediate post-flood civilization may have been well established and quite strong.

The architecture blows everything else away.

The serpent and the bird thing...where you clap and you hear both as a 1,2 delayed echo...freaking amazing!

I'll bet the Egyptians really did take a fast liking to the cocaine.

Those are harsh conditions for workers too so I'm sure this was a commodity that could have extended to the laborers for greater production.

Not much has changed in 5000 years. lol
 Quoting: Innocentfishingboat


I have been blown away by that too, for Resh and Dalet. will post if I recall the teachings of the ideographical or pictorial origin of those two letters.

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The Phoenician people were amazing sailors and even more amazing astronomers.


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Ancient Egyptians loved their Coco Puffs!
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The cone-headed Nephilim traveled around in their flying vimanas
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It shows those who handled the mummies were coke head chainsmokers.
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That or someone smuggled cocaine inside the mummy.
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The cone-headed Nephilim traveled around in their flying vimanas
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That shows how the drug cartels are so powerful; they've been around forever.
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I remember reading about this years ago. Interesting stuff.
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It was the Minoan Empire.

They were trading partners with Egypt.

When the Minoan Empire collapsed after a tsunami caused by the eruption of Santorini, cocain and nicotine disappeared from Egypt.

Its not that difficult to cross the Atlantic, people have literally done it in rowboats as a challenge....For the Western World the main obstacle of crossing the Atlantic was finding a reason to do so ,since it was believed that there was nothing but water out there.

Apparently the Minoans did cross the Atlantic and discovered a product valuable enough lto justify the trip...
Cocain and Tobacco.
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The first design is my slipmat for my turntable. Actually is a thin pressed plastic. Dosent look as good in real life. More just a yellow and black lines.
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I thought that you needed petrol to extract the cocaine from cocoa leaves, so how did they get petrol back in ancient Egypt?





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