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UPDATE::: KRATOM SCENARIO REVERSED - Kratom EMERGENCY ---BULK SUPPLIERS SHUTTING DOWN-- COMPANIES AFRAID / UNCERTAIN OF PERSECUTION

 
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I'm just going to say that last week I finally noticed my go-to bulk suppliers have EVERYTHING back in stock, then this week I begin seeing news making it seem like kratom will not be federally banned in the US. (These bulk suppliers must have caught wind that regulation was NOT coming and were given the green light to supply in bulk again) Everything after this sentence is from the original post. did not want to edit anything below

If you've been following up on the legalities surrounding Kratom, then you will not be surprised to hear the campaign against kratom use has been ramping up quite a bit in the last 6 months to a year.

AT THIS VERY MOMENT, most online retailers are OUT OF STOCK. Particularly the ones who don't screw over the customer with high prices for small quantities. If you buy a pound or more at a time, good luck finding a supplier that ISNT going to stop restocking after March. Not only this, many sites vividly portray on their home page that 'We will not be restocking our shelves due to market volatility' which is double speak for being uncertain about government regulation.


There HAS to be something these companies were told for SO MANY to choose to basically close their businesses, or at least stop providing the very product that created their business in the first place, without any official DEA announcement that kratom will be federally illegal after any date.



Oh, and all of this is happening while a town of 2900 received 20.8 MILLION pharma pain pills. Probably unrelated tho, right?

[link to www.wvgazettemail.com (secure)]

Below is a kratom legality status map if you're interested

[link to www.kratomnews.org]

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BUMP

Usually companies respond to new laws.


Right now these companies are responding to an unknown source that's motivating them to destroy their businesses without a govt regulation forcing it.

This is weird and I believe deserves discussion and research
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Try gaia ethnobotanicals. They're stocked.
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Not so sure about that. I randomly pulled up a Kratom website called Kraken Kratom and they are fully stocked. See link.

[link to krakenkratom.com]
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My apologies. The small vendors who rip everyone off are still selling and are stocked up.

My OP stated those how are out are' Particularly the ones who don't screw over the customer with high prices for small quantities '


You are correct, I did not mean to mislead but to inform.


It's fine. This shit will run out on the shelves and people will find this thread and realize they were warned ---all IF bulk suppliers are shutting down due to upcoming regulatory actions.
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IF the government is planning on banning Kratom it will be yet another bonehead move on their part. The war on drugs is a fucking joke.
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IF the government is planning on banning Kratom it will be yet another bonehead move on their part. The war on drugs is a fucking joke.
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I just hope regulation is backed by double blind studies proving dangers outweigh benefits, particularly in comparison to pharma drugs that are used to treat the same symptoms
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Try gaia ethnobotanicals. They're stocked.
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Glad I have 2kg arriving today or tomorrow. If I'm getting ripped off, I sure can't tell.

It's also a war on chronic pain sufferers! Knee-jerk reactions from lawmakers without a single thought about how it affects legitimate patients. Lawmakers are suddenly doctors, doctors are suddenly wannabe cops, as if either can glance at you and decide what you are and what's best for you.

The docs here are absolute failures for the patient. They're only good at padding the bottom line and making money for the hospital corporation. Been trying for three years to get an issue resolved and they just keep passing me around and billing a level 4 for EVERY visit. I drove four hours to one doc, they took my temp, blood pressure, asked five questions, and sent me on my way. Until I'm broken or bleeding, I won't be seeing another quack, I canceled all future appointments.

I asked God to show me how to help myself, I think that's how I first tried kratom.

Got an email from AKA advising to use only responsible vendors that do not sell adulterated products, which is causing the FDA to gain a foothold against all kratom in general.
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The one I buy from took a two week break...they said to comply with federal law....We will see.
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I was very unimpressed the quality of the above mentioned supplier gaia

It helped me stop

Being addicted to kratom is tons better than Tylenol tainted pain pills but the withdrawal can be the exact same

Kratom is not something you want to consume, having said that im a libertarian but who advises against buying that sh!t

Im so glad I kicked it, it sucked, pure agony for a week plus
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I was very unimpressed the quality of the above mentioned supplier gaia

It helped me stop

Being addicted to kratom is tons better than Tylenol tainted pain pills but the withdrawal can be the exact same

Kratom is not something you want to consume, having said that im a libertarian but who advises against buying that sh!t

Im so glad I kicked it, it sucked, pure agony for a week plus
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Yet you don't advise where the best is.

What are you doing for pain now? Or were you looking for a high?

I ran out of kratom and the very, very mild withdrawals lasted 6-8 hours. However, I'm using it at a medicinal level and not abusing it to try and get high.

I've done cold turkey from pain meds three times, so I know what bad withdrawals are like.
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I was very unimpressed the quality of the above mentioned supplier gaia

It helped me stop

Being addicted to kratom is tons better than Tylenol tainted pain pills but the withdrawal can be the exact same

Kratom is not something you want to consume, having said that im a libertarian but who advises against buying that sh!t

Im so glad I kicked it, it sucked, pure agony for a week plus
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Yet you don't advise where the best is.

What are you doing for pain now? Or were you looking for a high?

I ran out of kratom and the very, very mild withdrawals lasted 6-8 hours. However, I'm using it at a medicinal level and not abusing it to try and get high.

I've done cold turkey from pain meds three times, so I know what bad withdrawals are like.
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How could he advise of the best if he tried one supplier then quit?

I took kratom every day for over a year, then went a full week without it. The withdrawls are barely comparable to withdrawls of being on tylenol 5 for a month.

To compare, pharma meds withdrawl are like going down a rocky road lined with 6" rocks

where kratom withdrawl is like going over that same road with the worlds absolutely best shocks & struts. way smooth in comparison, both in my experience as well as a friend who used kratom to get off heroine

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Try gaia ethnobotanicals. They're stocked.
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Glad I have 2kg arriving today or tomorrow. If I'm getting ripped off, I sure can't tell.

It's also a war on chronic pain sufferers! Knee-jerk reactions from lawmakers without a single thought about how it affects legitimate patients. Lawmakers are suddenly doctors, doctors are suddenly wannabe cops, as if either can glance at you and decide what you are and what's best for you.

The docs here are absolute failures for the patient. They're only good at padding the bottom line and making money for the hospital corporation. Been trying for three years to get an issue resolved and they just keep passing me around and billing a level 4 for EVERY visit. I drove four hours to one doc, they took my temp, blood pressure, asked five questions, and sent me on my way. Until I'm broken or bleeding, I won't be seeing another quack, I canceled all future appointments.

I asked God to show me how to help myself, I think that's how I first tried kratom.

Got an email from AKA advising to use only responsible vendors that do not sell adulterated products, which is causing the FDA to gain a foothold against all kratom in general.



 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76371677



Let me tell you how easy it would be for someone to create a kratom company, just to sour their product with contaminants, just to have that very batch of kratom tested, just to PROVE how 'dangerous kratom is' in official scientific literature?
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IF the government is planning on banning Kratom it will be yet another bonehead move on their part. The war on drugs is a fucking joke.
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IF the government is planning on banning Kratom it will be yet another bonehead move on their part. The war on drugs is a fucking joke.
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Welcome to Trump's necon America
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Nikon?


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Not sure what to think now, I'll just have to wait and see...

My 2kg order has been taking an odd, circuitous route, hundreds of miles out of route. Was last shown in Philly, but now says .... Status: In-Transit, Delayed March 20, 2018

It had been moving, but is now delayed. It was seized? The package bombs causing delays? Someone goofed up the shipping label?
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Must be no problem with the shipping. It moved about 350 miles, 70 more to go. Sure took the long way home.
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this was definitely a precursor to the proposed ban that is currently being voted on.

Thread: Kratom to be banned today without your help!

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If you've been following up on the legalities surrounding Kratom, then you will not be surprised to hear the campaign against kratom use has been ramping up quite a bit in the last 6 months to a year.

AT THIS VERY MOMENT, most online retailers are OUT OF STOCK. Particularly the ones who don't screw over the customer with high prices for small quantities. If you buy a pound or more at a time, good luck finding a supplier that ISNT going to stop restocking after March. Not only this, many sites vividly portray on their home page that 'We will not be restocking our shelves due to market volatility' which is double speak for being uncertain about government regulation.


There HAS to be something these companies were told for SO MANY to choose to basically close their businesses, or at least stop providing the very product that created their business in the first place, without any official DEA announcement that kratom will be federally illegal after any date.



Oh, and all of this is happening while a town of 2900 received 20.8 MILLION pharma pain pills. Probably unrelated tho, right?

[link to www.wvgazettemail.com (secure)]

Below is a kratom legality status map if you're interested

[link to www.kratomnews.org]
 Quoting: Layers of Reality




bump for me being correct when trying to warn GLP of potential upcoming regulation
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My apologies. The small vendors who rip everyone off are still selling and are stocked up.

My OP stated those how are out are' Particularly the ones who don't screw over the customer with high prices for small quantities '


You are correct, I did not mean to mislead but to inform.


It's fine. This shit will run out on the shelves and people will find this thread and realize they were warned ---all IF bulk suppliers are shutting down due to upcoming regulatory actions.
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Wow, 3 months later and not a single hiccup. This sure turned out to be either fake news or uncle intel. Oh well, i rather be warned and not happen than not warned and does happen.
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My apologies. The small vendors who rip everyone off are still selling and are stocked up.

My OP stated those how are out are' Particularly the ones who don't screw over the customer with high prices for small quantities '


You are correct, I did not mean to mislead but to inform.


It's fine. This shit will run out on the shelves and people will find this thread and realize they were warned ---all IF bulk suppliers are shutting down due to upcoming regulatory actions.
 Quoting: Layers of Reality


Wow, 3 months later and not a single hiccup. This sure turned out to be either fake news or uncle intel. Oh well, i rather be warned and not happen than not warned and does happen.
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exactly. most of the bulk suppliers did not go back into the kratom business. It's been hard to find good quality sources for affordable prices ever since, and it appears as if it will be getting more difficult moving forward.
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If you've been following up on the legalities surrounding Kratom, then you will not be surprised to hear the campaign against kratom use has been ramping up quite a bit in the last 6 months to a year.

AT THIS VERY MOMENT, most online retailers are OUT OF STOCK. Particularly the ones who don't screw over the customer with high prices for small quantities. If you buy a pound or more at a time, good luck finding a supplier that ISNT going to stop restocking after March. Not only this, many sites vividly portray on their home page that 'We will not be restocking our shelves due to market volatility' which is double speak for being uncertain about government regulation.


There HAS to be something these companies were told for SO MANY to choose to basically close their businesses, or at least stop providing the very product that created their business in the first place, without any official DEA announcement that kratom will be federally illegal after any date.



Oh, and all of this is happening while a town of 2900 received 20.8 MILLION pharma pain pills. Probably unrelated tho, right?

[link to www.wvgazettemail.com (secure)]

Below is a kratom legality status map if you're interested

[link to www.kratomnews.org]
 Quoting: Layers of Reality




bump for me being correct when trying to warn GLP of potential upcoming regulation
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You have GOT to be kidding!! You didnt warn a single time about upcoming legislation/regulation. Lol. Your whole post centered around companies closing their doors because of uncertain regulation. Gaia ethnobotanicles just got credit card payments back last night for crying out loud. Business is booming.
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My apologies. The small vendors who rip everyone off are still selling and are stocked up.

My OP stated those how are out are' Particularly the ones who don't screw over the customer with high prices for small quantities '


You are correct, I did not mean to mislead but to inform.


It's fine. This shit will run out on the shelves and people will find this thread and realize they were warned ---all IF bulk suppliers are shutting down due to upcoming regulatory actions.
 Quoting: Layers of Reality


Wow, 3 months later and not a single hiccup. This sure turned out to be either fake news or uncle intel. Oh well, i rather be warned and not happen than not warned and does happen.
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exactly. most of the bulk suppliers did not go back into the kratom business. It's been hard to find good quality sources for affordable prices ever since, and it appears as if it will be getting more difficult moving forward.
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I dont understand your objective here, where do you buy yours at? Every good supplier has continued selling without issue besides not being able to use credit cards.
You make it seem a if your post was some future vision warning or something. All the good big vendors have never stopped selling. Name one
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UPDATED on pg 1 and title.
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I'm just going to say that last week I finally noticed my go-to bulk suppliers have EVERYTHING back in stock, then this week I begin seeing news making it seem like kratom will not be federally banned in the US. (These bulk suppliers must have caught wind that regulation was NOT coming and were given the green light to supply in bulk again)
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Have gotten emails from a couple of vendors, including Herbal-Salvation that they are back in stock and taking new customers. This is promising.
More deplorable all the time.





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