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As a resident of Oklahoma I have to say that I fully support this bill!

The process to attain a permit at the moment is a tad silly. I suspect that it is more about the money made than being sure that those carrying are qualified. There is very little on gun safety during class or range testing which is what most new shooters really needed. There is some information on legalities but most should be common sense. What's more, none of the steps in the process would have weeded out a potential criminal who did not have previous convictions on a variety of crimes, a background check at the time of firearm purchase is far more inclusive. It's time that bills of this nature are passed nationwide to allow law abiding, responsible citizens to defend themselves and loved ones from those that would do harm!

Senate Bill 1212 would allow anyone who owns a gun to carry it without a permit.

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"We ought to be able to carry any gun whether we are licensed or not.' Doesn't the Supreme Court contradict that 'cause it's not actually a right?" said Rep. Collin Walke.

Supporters say better efforts are need to screen potential gun buyers, but that shouldn't punish current gun owners.

"Would it surprise you that the majority that have committed heinous crimes either have mental health conditions or the background checks have not been followed up? We're failing on that end. We need to concentrate on that end and not hinder our law-abiding citizens," said Rep. Justin Humphreys.


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"It will allow people in Oklahoma to have a gun to protect themselves without putting themselves in jeopardy and without going through the entire permit process and paying close to $300," Mike said.

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I think that this quote here explains why some don't want this bill and it has nothing to do with the safety of citizens.

“The Oklahoma State Bureau of investigation gets a great deal of money from the permitting process,” Coody replied, “So they simply are concerned about revenue over the freedom of law abiding citizens.”

[link to www.news9.com]

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Here is the bill itself for those interested.

[link to www.oklegislature.gov]

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OOPs! Here's the link.

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Quote:

"Other critics say constitutional carry would put law enforcement at risk, but the bill's author says that shouldn't be put above a citizen's right."


"I do not support the rights of law enforcement to feel not threatened or safe to the detriment of my own constitutional rights," said Rep. Jeff Coody, the bill's author.

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What is interesting is that most law enforcement seem to support the measure. Cops around here understand that more firearms legally in the hands of upright citizens means less bodies of innocent people end up in the morgue.

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"Representatives passed a controversial bill that would allow anyone over 21-years-old without a felony conviction to carry a handgun without a license Wednesday."

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As always, for some the almighty dollars is far more important than the safety of the people.


“The Oklahoma State Bureau of investigation gets a great deal of money from the permitting process,” Coody replied, “So they simply are concerned about revenue over the freedom of law abiding citizens.”"

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"Coody argued requiring a gun license only impacts law abiding citizens, because criminals don’t follow the laws anyhow.

“By that same definition do you propose to come out here and say introduce legislation that eliminates speed limits in Oklahoma?” Representative Scott Inman (D) Del City asked.

“There’s nothing in the constitution about cars and driving and it’s not a constitutional right. It’s a privilege,” Coody said, “But the right to self-defense, the right to carry keep and bear arms is a constitutional right.”


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Here is the bill for those that interested.

[link to www.oklegislature.gov]
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Sounds like a great place to live...
It should be a national law... It once was.
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As a resident of Oklahoma I have to say that I fully support this bill!

The process to attain a permit at the moment is a tad silly. I suspect that it is more about the money made than being sure that those carrying are qualified. There is very little on gun safety during class or range testing which is what most new shooters really needed. There is some information on legalities but most should be common sense. What's more, none of the steps in the process would have weeded out a potential criminal who did not have previous convictions on a variety of crimes, a background check at the time of firearm purchase is far more inclusive. It's time that bills of this nature are passed nationwide to allow law abiding, responsible citizens to defend themselves and loved ones from those that would do harm!

Senate Bill 1212 would allow anyone who owns a gun to carry it without a permit.

Quotes under 50%:

"We ought to be able to carry any gun whether we are licensed or not.' Doesn't the Supreme Court contradict that 'cause it's not actually a right?" said Rep. Collin Walke.

Supporters say better efforts are need to screen potential gun buyers, but that shouldn't punish current gun owners.

"Would it surprise you that the majority that have committed heinous crimes either have mental health conditions or the background checks have not been followed up? We're failing on that end. We need to concentrate on that end and not hinder our law-abiding citizens," said Rep. Justin Humphreys.


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"It will allow people in Oklahoma to have a gun to protect themselves without putting themselves in jeopardy and without going through the entire permit process and paying close to $300," Mike said.

Edit
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I think that this quote here explains why some don't want this bill and it has nothing to do with the safety of citizens.

“The Oklahoma State Bureau of investigation gets a great deal of money from the permitting process,” Coody replied, “So they simply are concerned about revenue over the freedom of law abiding citizens.”

[link to www.news9.com]

Edit
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Here is the bill itself for those interested.

[link to www.oklegislature.gov]
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You needed a permit to constitutional carry? LOL
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Constitutional carry is NOT carrying concealed.
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As a resident of Oklahoma I have to say that I fully support this bill!

The process to attain a permit at the moment is a tad silly. I suspect that it is more about the money made than being sure that those carrying are qualified. There is very little on gun safety during class or range testing which is what most new shooters really needed. There is some information on legalities but most should be common sense. What's more, none of the steps in the process would have weeded out a potential criminal who did not have previous convictions on a variety of crimes, a background check at the time of firearm purchase is far more inclusive. It's time that bills of this nature are passed nationwide to allow law abiding, responsible citizens to defend themselves and loved ones from those that would do harm!

Senate Bill 1212 would allow anyone who owns a gun to carry it without a permit.

Quotes under 50%:

"We ought to be able to carry any gun whether we are licensed or not.' Doesn't the Supreme Court contradict that 'cause it's not actually a right?" said Rep. Collin Walke.

Supporters say better efforts are need to screen potential gun buyers, but that shouldn't punish current gun owners.

"Would it surprise you that the majority that have committed heinous crimes either have mental health conditions or the background checks have not been followed up? We're failing on that end. We need to concentrate on that end and not hinder our law-abiding citizens," said Rep. Justin Humphreys.


snip

"It will allow people in Oklahoma to have a gun to protect themselves without putting themselves in jeopardy and without going through the entire permit process and paying close to $300," Mike said.

Edit
_____________________________________________________

I think that this quote here explains why some don't want this bill and it has nothing to do with the safety of citizens.

“The Oklahoma State Bureau of investigation gets a great deal of money from the permitting process,” Coody replied, “So they simply are concerned about revenue over the freedom of law abiding citizens.”

[link to www.news9.com]

Edit
_______________________________________________________
Here is the bill itself for those interested.

[link to www.oklegislature.gov]
 Quoting: Zuzu


You needed a permit to constitutional carry? LOL
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Constitutional carry is NOT carrying concealed.
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At this time (legally) we need a permit to carry either concealed or openly. Obviously this is not constitutional but with this bill our constitutional rights that have been infringed upon will be legally reinstated. The fact that there is a need to reinstate them is unconstitutional to begin with. Those rights should never have been tampered with. hf

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Boy, that was a serious overuse of the word constitution! chuckle

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Sounds like a great place to live...
It should be a national law... It once was.
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I could not agree more! And yep, it's a pretty nice place to live.hf
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outstanding......

I just watched a speech by Mary Taylor who's running for governor of Ohio and she said she will sign it if it hits her desk....
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Constitutional carry is NOT carrying concealed.
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OK.who made that decision ?
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Constitutional carry is NOT carrying concealed.
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OK.who made that decision ?
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he has no clue what he's talking about
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outstanding......

I just watched a speech by Mary Taylor who's running for governor of Ohio and she said she will sign it if it hits her desk....
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That's fantastic! Hopefully the rest of the country will follow the example.
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outstanding......

I just watched a speech by Mary Taylor who's running for governor of Ohio and she said she will sign it if it hits her desk....
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That's fantastic! Hopefully the rest of the country will follow the example.
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if you can post a youtube video......

go to youtube, then Budget Guns and Gear Reviews

about 10 videos back you'll see:

Ohio Lt. Governor Mary Taylor

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outstanding......

I just watched a speech by Mary Taylor who's running for governor of Ohio and she said she will sign it if it hits her desk....
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That's fantastic! Hopefully the rest of the country will follow the example.
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if you can post a youtube video......

go to youtube, then Budget Guns and Gear Reviews

about 10 videos back you'll see:

Ohio Lt. Governor Mary Taylor

......Come and Take it!
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This the one?


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I went to school with Walke. His grandparents lived down the street from me. He has always been very sharp. I'm proud of how well he handled this and also the teacher walkout. He's awesome!
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I went to school with Walke. His grandparents lived down the street from me. He has always been very sharp. I'm proud of how well he handled this and also the teacher walkout. He's awesome!
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That's really cool! And yes, he has faced his opposition with grace and dignity... something lacking in to many politicians today.
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Breaking Oklahoma House ratifies Second Amendment.


lol

didnt this happen in like 1776 or something?
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Breaking Oklahoma House ratifies Second Amendment.


lol

didnt this happen in like 1776 or something?
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Granted we may have taken a few steps backwards but at least we are moving forward now. hf
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hey thanks for posting that MT video.....
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States should not need a law to say citizens can exercise their Constitutional rights! That unfortunately is not how it works today, so I pray for the people of Oklahoma. Every state needs to affirm their citizens right to keep and bear arms. Contrary to what the liberal media says, Constitutional carry reduces crime dramatically. Criminals prefer unarmed victims.
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hey thanks for posting that MT video.....
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No problem. I watched most of it and I have to say that the lady has some exceptional things to say!
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We passed Constitutional Carry a couple years back in Maine. And kept our right to buy firearms from our neighbor as long as we are over 21, a resident of Maine, and and have not committed a felony. It has worked out great for the state and its people. Hope all states pass this law and we have reciprocity bill to back it too.
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"Representatives passed a controversial bill that would allow anyone over 21-years-old without a felony conviction to carry a handgun without a license Wednesday."

[link to www.news9.com]
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Looks like I'm moving. ;p
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Constitutional carry is NOT carrying concealed.
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Constitutional carry is the right to carry, concealed or open. We have had our Constitutional right to carry in Wyoming for several years. We can carry concealed without a permit, with few restrictions. Having a permit lets you carry a few places that are not allowed without it. The only good reason to have a Wyoming carry permit is the reciprocity with other states. With a permit, you can also carry in all the red states, and some of the blue states.
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We passed Constitutional Carry a couple years back in Maine. And kept our right to buy firearms from our neighbor as long as we are over 21, a resident of Maine, and and have not committed a felony. It has worked out great for the state and its people. Hope all states pass this law and we have reciprocity bill to back it too.
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So by calling it "Constitutional" carry and them having to pass a law to make it so, are they admitting that the Constitution is null and void?
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We passed Constitutional Carry a couple years back in Maine. And kept our right to buy firearms from our neighbor as long as we are over 21, a resident of Maine, and and have not committed a felony. It has worked out great for the state and its people. Hope all states pass this law and we have reciprocity bill to back it too.
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Hmmm, my ex-husband lives in Maine... maybe we should rethink this gun thing!

Okay, just kidding about the rethinking comment!

Looks like Maine is on the right path.. an example to the rest of the nation.
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