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Hell Yeah! Senate votes to reverse FCC order and restore net neutrality

 
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Snowflakes lost a battle. Thank fucking Christ, shit was getting sucky with tube vids being pulled and stuff.

Fair play to your senate.

Good thread op
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I don't know why you believe that giving MORE control of the internet to large corporations like Comcast, Facebook, and Google will help the situation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59543796


Because they are not in control now? Itís important that the speed in which they want the internet censored completely is slowed. Anything that allows people to still air their rights to freedom of speech needs celebrating.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29734028


Censorship has nothing to do with it.
Ending net neutrality means TURNING OVER the internet to Comcast, Facebook and Google and giving them carte blanche to control what you can see and at what speed.

Don't you get it??

iamwith
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I thought google and ms did kind of own the internet already? I thought that it stopped a monopoly taking complete control of it on its own. Competition is healthy and thus allowing the internet to continue in a similar role as now as opposed to complete censorship due to it being more or less state run.

I donít think I do get it?
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Snowflakes lost a battle. Thank fucking Christ, shit was getting sucky with tube vids being pulled and stuff.

Fair play to your senate.

Good thread op
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29734028


I don't know why you believe that giving MORE control of the internet to large corporations like Comcast, Facebook, and Google will help the situation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59543796


Because they are not in control now? Itís important that the speed in which they want the internet censored completely is slowed. Anything that allows people to still air their rights to freedom of speech needs celebrating.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29734028


Censorship has nothing to do with it.
Ending net neutrality means TURNING OVER the internet to Comcast, Facebook and Google and giving them carte blanche to control what you can see and at what speed.

Don't you get it??

iamwith
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59543796



You're a fucking liar. The internet already has slow and fast lanes. Gaming and streaming movies require more speed and bandwidth. Email doesn't. Sites like Netflix just don't want to pay for it so went to war with ISPs. You lying pieces of shit are misleading everyone and you're doing it deliberately. The internet was free and open from the time it began. It was fine. NN has only been in effect for three years and we now have censorship all over and higher rates.
In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

“Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.”

– Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project
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GLP is safe, for now...
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It's amazing how GLP survived for 16 years without net neutrality.


Thankfully Obama the lord christ and savoir came up with this great law to make these evil internet providers comply with government regulations.

After all if we can't have the internet controlled like another utility, how can we trust anyone but the government to regulate and keep it safe??????


5ahiding5ahiding5ahiding
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GLP survived all these years WITH a neutral internet.

You stupid fuckers want to ruin that and turn it over to Google and Mark Zuckerberg.
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LOL this is good right?
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For a time. But lets remember, the wicked have no rest day or night, its why they are always pushing. Creeping communism sometimes needs a pushback.flag waverangryoridin
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Net Neutrality came about when people wanted to use face time apps and other high intensity bandwidth uses over wireless internet.

Imagine if netflix were a trucking company, and they wanted the exclusive use of the highway system to deliver their goods.


That's what's happening here, higher bandwidth services such as streaming, chatting in real time, etc demanded higher network services.

They should be charged more.


People don't realize what's involved in sharing their stupid conversations over the internet.
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I don't know why you believe that giving MORE control of the internet to large corporations like Comcast, Facebook, and Google will help the situation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59543796


Because they are not in control now? Itís important that the speed in which they want the internet censored completely is slowed. Anything that allows people to still air their rights to freedom of speech needs celebrating.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29734028


Censorship has nothing to do with it.
Ending net neutrality means TURNING OVER the internet to Comcast, Facebook and Google and giving them carte blanche to control what you can see and at what speed.

Don't you get it??

iamwith
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59543796


I thought google and ms did kind of own the internet already? I thought that it stopped a monopoly taking complete control of it on its own. Competition is healthy and thus allowing the internet to continue in a similar role as now as opposed to complete censorship due to it being more or less state run.

I donít think I do get it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29734028


That's a paid poster trying to mislead everyone. They're all over, online, trying to push this.
In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

“Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.”

– Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project
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Net Neutrality was a form of regulation that kept things on the internet as they always were. Comcast was trying to charge extra for delivering netflix, they went to netflix and told them to pay for the bandwidth, which costs them 0$ that their customers were using.

The regulation under the previous FCC chair protected online service providers from the internet access providers who already have monopolies in most of the US due to unregulated mergers. Then Ajit Pai, A former verizon lawyer became chair and decided that the monopolies should be allowed to charge for the content you get over the internet.

This isn't a partisan issue, it's a corporate issue. Should internet access providers be allowed to charge content providers for fast access to their content? Are then willing to pay subscriptions for content on the internet, knowing that money goes to the same company that charges you for giving you internet?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73577072


Well lets see, Netflix wanted to use more bandwidth without paying more, it seems they wanted preference over other websites without paying for it.

Seems like a pretty liberal policy to enforce private companies to charge the same no matter how much bandwidth a company is using.
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You pay for your internet speed in tiers. Your subscription comes with a set speed and if you are unlucky a data limit. The side we are talking about, getting the data to you, is payed and covered by you. Why should netflix have to pay extra and then charge you more for your subscription? That's double dipping.
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I don't know why you believe that giving MORE control of the internet to large corporations like Comcast, Facebook, and Google will help the situation.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59543796


Because they are not in control now? Itís important that the speed in which they want the internet censored completely is slowed. Anything that allows people to still air their rights to freedom of speech needs celebrating.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29734028


Censorship has nothing to do with it.
Ending net neutrality means TURNING OVER the internet to Comcast, Facebook and Google and giving them carte blanche to control what you can see and at what speed.

Don't you get it??

iamwith
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59543796



You're a fucking liar. The internet already has slow and fast lanes. Gaming and streaming movies require more speed and bandwidth. Email doesn't. Sites like Netflix just don't want to pay for it so went to war with ISPs. You lying pieces of shit are misleading everyone and you're doing it deliberately. The internet was free and open from the time it began. It was fine. NN has only been in effect for three years and we now have censorship all over and higher rates.
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YES net neutrality has driven prices up and prevented new tech from emerging due to increased demand to comply with government regulations.


Bunch of brainwashed zombies don't know anything supporting this crap.
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Net Neutrality was a form of regulation that kept things on the internet as they always were. Comcast was trying to charge extra for delivering netflix, they went to netflix and told them to pay for the bandwidth, which costs them 0$ that their customers were using.

The regulation under the previous FCC chair protected online service providers from the internet access providers who already have monopolies in most of the US due to unregulated mergers. Then Ajit Pai, A former verizon lawyer became chair and decided that the monopolies should be allowed to charge for the content you get over the internet.

This isn't a partisan issue, it's a corporate issue. Should internet access providers be allowed to charge content providers for fast access to their content? Are then willing to pay subscriptions for content on the internet, knowing that money goes to the same company that charges you for giving you internet?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73577072


Well lets see, Netflix wanted to use more bandwidth without paying more, it seems they wanted preference over other websites without paying for it.

Seems like a pretty liberal policy to enforce private companies to charge the same no matter how much bandwidth a company is using.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42079668


You pay for your internet speed in tiers. Your subscription comes with a set speed and if you are unlucky a data limit. The side we are talking about, getting the data to you, is payed and covered by you. Why should netflix have to pay extra and then charge you more for your subscription? That's double dipping.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73577072


I pay for my cable subscription, why should I be subjected to commercials?

Oh that's right television is subject to the domination of bureaucracy via the FCC and it's stronghold over television.

Do you want the internet to become like television?

That's what's going to happen with net neutrality.
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this is bad as is not net neutrality it is some rubbish obama passed in 2015 and called it net neutrality to fool people which benefits big tech companies

what the FCC did was remove obama rubbish called net neutrality and tried to put everything back to how it was pre 2015
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I had a feeling deep down this was some BS!
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Don't believe the trolls.
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Net Neutrality was a form of regulation that kept things on the internet as they always were. Comcast was trying to charge extra for delivering netflix, they went to netflix and told them to pay for the bandwidth, which costs them 0$ that their customers were using.

The regulation under the previous FCC chair protected online service providers from the internet access providers who already have monopolies in most of the US due to unregulated mergers. Then Ajit Pai, A former verizon lawyer became chair and decided that the monopolies should be allowed to charge for the content you get over the internet.

This isn't a partisan issue, it's a corporate issue. Should internet access providers be allowed to charge content providers for fast access to their content? Are then willing to pay subscriptions for content on the internet, knowing that money goes to the same company that charges you for giving you internet?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73577072


Well lets see, Netflix wanted to use more bandwidth without paying more, it seems they wanted preference over other websites without paying for it.

Seems like a pretty liberal policy to enforce private companies to charge the same no matter how much bandwidth a company is using.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42079668


You pay for your internet speed in tiers. Your subscription comes with a set speed and if you are unlucky a data limit. The side we are talking about, getting the data to you, is payed and covered by you. Why should netflix have to pay extra and then charge you more for your subscription? That's double dipping.
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If only that was really what this bill is about lol.

I'm sure everyone here understands the basic principals of the free market and competition. If an ISP were to degrade the performance of a streaming service, do you not think a competitor would find a way to eliminate that degrading performance without negative benefits to the consumer? Do you not think consumers would prefer that solution?

It's almost like free market principals are not taught any more or people have forgotten that anti-trust laws exist for a reason. If an ISP is buying up the competition in local areas for consumer control purposes, that is a matter for the anti-trust laws. Not more government control.
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Wait, they voted FOR net neutrality or AGAINST?

'Net Neutrality' so-called, is not neutral and only benefits companies like Netflix, Amazon, Google, etc., through subsidies, then rate limits the little guys because they don't pony up enough cash for bandwidth.
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I don't know why you believe that giving MORE control of the internet to large corporations like Comcast, Facebook, and Google will help the situation.
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Because they are not in control now? Itís important that the speed in which they want the internet censored completely is slowed. Anything that allows people to still air their rights to freedom of speech needs celebrating.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29734028


Censorship has nothing to do with it.
Ending net neutrality means TURNING OVER the internet to Comcast, Facebook and Google and giving them carte blanche to control what you can see and at what speed.

Don't you get it??

iamwith
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You're a fucking liar. The internet already has slow and fast lanes. Gaming and streaming movies require more speed and bandwidth. Email doesn't. Sites like Netflix just don't want to pay for it so went to war with ISPs. You lying pieces of shit are misleading everyone and you're doing it deliberately. The internet was free and open from the time it began. It was fine. NN has only been in effect for three years and we now have censorship all over and higher rates.
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You quote Julian Assange in your sig. Julian Assange knows that net neutrality is necessary.

"Dear @realDonaldTrump: 'net neutrality' of some form is important. Your opponents control most internet companies. Without neutrality they can make your tweets load slowly, CNN load fast and infest everyone's phones with their ads. Careful"


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Net Neutrality came about when people wanted to use face time apps and other high intensity bandwidth uses over wireless internet.

Imagine if netflix were a trucking company, and they wanted the exclusive use of the highway system to deliver their goods.


That's what's happening here, higher bandwidth services such as streaming, chatting in real time, etc demanded higher network services.

They should be charged more.


People don't realize what's involved in sharing their stupid conversations over the internet.
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Yes, those bandwidth hogs need fast lanes (which have always been there but they need more) and they don't want to pay for it. They convinced the useful idiots it wasn't "fair" that some users need to pay more than others for this extra infrastructure that's required. The useful idiots think the little guy/small user is going to pay more, which isn't true. It was always about the big streaming sites paying an access fee for all that extra speed. If liberals had their way, there would be only one lane on the freeways to be "fair" and jets would have to fly as slow as a Cesna because "fair". And, they also want censorship.
In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

“Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.”

– Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project
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Because they are not in control now? Itís important that the speed in which they want the internet censored completely is slowed. Anything that allows people to still air their rights to freedom of speech needs celebrating.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29734028


Censorship has nothing to do with it.
Ending net neutrality means TURNING OVER the internet to Comcast, Facebook and Google and giving them carte blanche to control what you can see and at what speed.

Don't you get it??

iamwith
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59543796


I thought google and ms did kind of own the internet already? I thought that it stopped a monopoly taking complete control of it on its own. Competition is healthy and thus allowing the internet to continue in a similar role as now as opposed to complete censorship due to it being more or less state run.

I donít think I do get it?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29734028


That's a paid poster trying to mislead everyone. They're all over, online, trying to push this.
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You lying piece of shit.
I bet you're paid by Google.
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Net Neutrality came about when people wanted to use face time apps and other high intensity bandwidth uses over wireless internet.

Imagine if netflix were a trucking company, and they wanted the exclusive use of the highway system to deliver their goods.


That's what's happening here, higher bandwidth services such as streaming, chatting in real time, etc demanded higher network services.

They should be charged more.


People don't realize what's involved in sharing their stupid conversations over the internet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42079668


Your points don't actually make sense. Your analogy with a trucking company is quite uneducated to be honest.

Within that example netflix with be using the roads paid for by taxes (ISP subscription charges for the Internet and Taxes for actual roads) but they would then be required to pay a surcharge to use the road alongside of you to deliver the packages you want to you.

Big difference is that the roads cost a lot of money, extra bandwidth is pretty cheap and generally doesn't require much extra hardware where we are now. And keep in mind that the actual bandwidth (The actual roads of the internet) Have long been subsidized by the government and your tax payer money.

The ISPs are just milking every dollar out of their monopolies.
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Youíre all fucking retards (I used to like you 5%, you crazy Canuck, but youíre a braindead clod), please do some more research. This is a very bad thing, thank God it wonít pass the House.
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GLP is safe, for now...
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It's amazing how GLP survived for 16 years without net neutrality.


Thankfully Obama the lord christ and savoir came up with this great law to make these evil internet providers comply with government regulations.

After all if we can't have the internet controlled like another utility, how can we trust anyone but the government to regulate and keep it safe??????


5ahiding5ahiding5ahiding
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GLP survived all these years WITH a neutral internet.

You stupid fuckers want to ruin that and turn it over to Google and Mark Zuckerberg.
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Net neutrality is turning the internet over to the hands of the government for them to regulate.

Is that what you want?
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GLP is safe, for now...
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It's amazing how GLP survived for 16 years without net neutrality.


Thankfully Obama the lord christ and savoir came up with this great law to make these evil internet providers comply with government regulations.

After all if we can't have the internet controlled like another utility, how can we trust anyone but the government to regulate and keep it safe??????


5ahiding5ahiding5ahiding
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42079668


GLP survived all these years WITH a neutral internet.

You stupid fuckers want to ruin that and turn it over to Google and Mark Zuckerberg.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59543796


Net neutrality is turning the internet over to the hands of the government for them to regulate.

Is that what you want?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42079668



I want the internet to stay as it has been. That means NEUTRALITY and not allowing mega corporations to FUCK WITH IT!
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Net Neutrality came about when people wanted to use face time apps and other high intensity bandwidth uses over wireless internet.

Imagine if netflix were a trucking company, and they wanted the exclusive use of the highway system to deliver their goods.


That's what's happening here, higher bandwidth services such as streaming, chatting in real time, etc demanded higher network services.

They should be charged more.


People don't realize what's involved in sharing their stupid conversations over the internet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42079668


Your points don't actually make sense. Your analogy with a trucking company is quite uneducated to be honest.

Within that example netflix with be using the roads paid for by taxes (ISP subscription charges for the Internet and Taxes for actual roads) but they would then be required to pay a surcharge to use the road alongside of you to deliver the packages you want to you.

Big difference is that the roads cost a lot of money, extra bandwidth is pretty cheap and generally doesn't require much extra hardware where we are now. And keep in mind that the actual bandwidth (The actual roads of the internet) Have long been subsidized by the government and your tax payer money.

The ISPs are just milking every dollar out of their monopolies.
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Sorry I felt I needed to use a very small brained analogy to break it down for you.

Anyone who supports net "neutrality" ( a misleading name by the way ) supports the full government control of the internet.

Bottom line.

That is what will lead to internet being like television.

It's been proven time and time again government control makes things worse, not better.


Net neutrality gives the government the power to regulate and with it, it's only a matter of time before the internet in fact becomes not free, and websites like this will disappear.



As far as bandwidth you aren't going to argue that more demand on the network puts more stress and requires more power, more maintenance, etc.

You simply can't deny that.

So companies as well as people who want "fair internet" don't realize the costs involved in what they want.

Lets be honest, mostly folks who support net neutrality are concerned with their download speeds being slowed, because they are downloading tons of media, illegally.


The only other people supporting this lunacy would be brainwashed liberals.


Which one are you?
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Net Neutrality was a form of regulation that kept things on the internet as they always were. Comcast was trying to charge extra for delivering netflix, they went to netflix and told them to pay for the bandwidth, which costs them 0$ that their customers were using.

The regulation under the previous FCC chair protected online service providers from the internet access providers who already have monopolies in most of the US due to unregulated mergers. Then Ajit Pai, A former verizon lawyer became chair and decided that the monopolies should be allowed to charge for the content you get over the internet.

This isn't a partisan issue, it's a corporate issue. Should internet access providers be allowed to charge content providers for fast access to their content? Are then willing to pay subscriptions for content on the internet, knowing that money goes to the same company that charges you for giving you internet?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73577072


Well lets see, Netflix wanted to use more bandwidth without paying more, it seems they wanted preference over other websites without paying for it.

Seems like a pretty liberal policy to enforce private companies to charge the same no matter how much bandwidth a company is using.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42079668


You pay for your internet speed in tiers. Your subscription comes with a set speed and if you are unlucky a data limit. The side we are talking about, getting the data to you, is payed and covered by you. Why should netflix have to pay extra and then charge you more for your subscription? That's double dipping.
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If only that was really what this bill is about lol.

I'm sure everyone here understands the basic principals of the free market and competition. If an ISP were to degrade the performance of a streaming service, do you not think a competitor would find a way to eliminate that degrading performance without negative benefits to the consumer? Do you not think consumers would prefer that solution?

It's almost like free market principals are not taught any more or people have forgotten that anti-trust laws exist for a reason. If an ISP is buying up the competition in local areas for consumer control purposes, that is a matter for the anti-trust laws. Not more government control.
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You assume that carrying the data increases costs for the ISP's. If it were so your argument would hold true. That however is not the case. ISP's are just dipping into more revenue sources. And keep in mind they use subsidized infrastructure. The ISP's are maximizing the revenue for their shareholders by charging the user and the provider for their services that they offer over lines payed for by taxpayers.

It's like a town charging a fee per customer entering a shop.
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It's amazing how GLP survived for 16 years without net neutrality.


Thankfully Obama the lord christ and savoir came up with this great law to make these evil internet providers comply with government regulations.

After all if we can't have the internet controlled like another utility, how can we trust anyone but the government to regulate and keep it safe??????


5ahiding5ahiding5ahiding
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GLP survived all these years WITH a neutral internet.

You stupid fuckers want to ruin that and turn it over to Google and Mark Zuckerberg.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59543796


Net neutrality is turning the internet over to the hands of the government for them to regulate.

Is that what you want?
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I want the internet to stay as it has been. That means NEUTRALITY and not allowing mega corporations to FUCK WITH IT!
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Government regulation is not neutral.




There are laws in place to prevent corporations from doing anything illegal.


They aren't out to prevent you from using internet or slow you down.


It's just not good business.


People are so brainwashed they think the government is their savoir from the evil corporations.

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Net Neutrality was a form of regulation that kept things on the internet as they always were. Comcast was trying to charge extra for delivering netflix, they went to netflix and told them to pay for the bandwidth, which costs them 0$ that their customers were using.

The regulation under the previous FCC chair protected online service providers from the internet access providers who already have monopolies in most of the US due to unregulated mergers. Then Ajit Pai, A former verizon lawyer became chair and decided that the monopolies should be allowed to charge for the content you get over the internet.

This isn't a partisan issue, it's a corporate issue. Should internet access providers be allowed to charge content providers for fast access to their content? Are then willing to pay subscriptions for content on the internet, knowing that money goes to the same company that charges you for giving you internet?
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Well lets see, Netflix wanted to use more bandwidth without paying more, it seems they wanted preference over other websites without paying for it.

Seems like a pretty liberal policy to enforce private companies to charge the same no matter how much bandwidth a company is using.
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You pay for your internet speed in tiers. Your subscription comes with a set speed and if you are unlucky a data limit. The side we are talking about, getting the data to you, is payed and covered by you. Why should netflix have to pay extra and then charge you more for your subscription? That's double dipping.
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Because people like me who would NEVER subscribe to Netflix should not pay more because you do have Netflix. You want it, you pay for it, however much that is.
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The Senate today voted 52-47 to disapprove the FCCís recent order replacing 2015ís net neutrality rules, a pleasant surprise for internet advocates and consumers throughout the country. Although the disapproval will almost certainly not lead to the new rules being undone, it is a powerful statement of solidarity with a constituency activated against this deeply unpopular order.

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When billion dollar tech corps tell you net neutrality is good it just might not be good for you.

Take your Obama internets with a shot of grape drink and all will be okay.

The Iran deal was great as well.

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Well lets see, Netflix wanted to use more bandwidth without paying more, it seems they wanted preference over other websites without paying for it.

Seems like a pretty liberal policy to enforce private companies to charge the same no matter how much bandwidth a company is using.
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You pay for your internet speed in tiers. Your subscription comes with a set speed and if you are unlucky a data limit. The side we are talking about, getting the data to you, is payed and covered by you. Why should netflix have to pay extra and then charge you more for your subscription? That's double dipping.
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If only that was really what this bill is about lol.

I'm sure everyone here understands the basic principals of the free market and competition. If an ISP were to degrade the performance of a streaming service, do you not think a competitor would find a way to eliminate that degrading performance without negative benefits to the consumer? Do you not think consumers would prefer that solution?

It's almost like free market principals are not taught any more or people have forgotten that anti-trust laws exist for a reason. If an ISP is buying up the competition in local areas for consumer control purposes, that is a matter for the anti-trust laws. Not more government control.
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You assume that carrying the data increases costs for the ISP's. If it were so your argument would hold true. That however is not the case. ISP's are just dipping into more revenue sources. And keep in mind they use subsidized infrastructure. The ISP's are maximizing the revenue for their shareholders by charging the user and the provider for their services that they offer over lines payed for by taxpayers.

It's like a town charging a fee per customer entering a shop.
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Small brained analogy here.

Towns don't own shops, they are privately owned businesses.

And if that shop owner is paying for electricity, taxes, mortgage, all to run that shop, why shouldn't he charge people to walk in?





But they don't.


And they won't.

Because business owners aren't some greedy evil folks, and the government isn't here to save you from them.
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There's nothing they can do to completely stop the net. The internet is a beast that they should have never made mainstream and will be their demise ultimatelydevil61rof1
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you would think so, but people are just using it for the dumbest most pointless shit, literally... its a tool we could all be using for global progression of the human species... people supporting net neutrality lmfao wow..
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Net Neutrality was a form of regulation that kept things on the internet as they always were. Comcast was trying to charge extra for delivering netflix, they went to netflix and told them to pay for the bandwidth, which costs them 0$ that their customers were using.

The regulation under the previous FCC chair protected online service providers from the internet access providers who already have monopolies in most of the US due to unregulated mergers. Then Ajit Pai, A former verizon lawyer became chair and decided that the monopolies should be allowed to charge for the content you get over the internet.

This isn't a partisan issue, it's a corporate issue. Should internet access providers be allowed to charge content providers for fast access to their content? Are then willing to pay subscriptions for content on the internet, knowing that money goes to the same company that charges you for giving you internet?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73577072


Well lets see, Netflix wanted to use more bandwidth without paying more, it seems they wanted preference over other websites without paying for it.

Seems like a pretty liberal policy to enforce private companies to charge the same no matter how much bandwidth a company is using.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42079668


You pay for your internet speed in tiers. Your subscription comes with a set speed and if you are unlucky a data limit. The side we are talking about, getting the data to you, is payed and covered by you. Why should netflix have to pay extra and then charge you more for your subscription? That's double dipping.
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Because people like me who would NEVER subscribe to Netflix should not pay more because you do have Netflix. You want it, you pay for it, however much that is.
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I pay for the faster internet and I still don't use streaming services like netflix.

Only playing games, watching short videos, browsing.

I use very small amounts of bandwidth, but still pay extra for the faster speeds.
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Net Neutrality was a form of regulation that kept things on the internet as they always were. Comcast was trying to charge extra for delivering netflix, they went to netflix and told them to pay for the bandwidth, which costs them 0$ that their customers were using.

The regulation under the previous FCC chair protected online service providers from the internet access providers who already have monopolies in most of the US due to unregulated mergers. Then Ajit Pai, A former verizon lawyer became chair and decided that the monopolies should be allowed to charge for the content you get over the internet.

This isn't a partisan issue, it's a corporate issue. Should internet access providers be allowed to charge content providers for fast access to their content? Are then willing to pay subscriptions for content on the internet, knowing that money goes to the same company that charges you for giving you internet?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73577072


Well lets see, Netflix wanted to use more bandwidth without paying more, it seems they wanted preference over other websites without paying for it.

Seems like a pretty liberal policy to enforce private companies to charge the same no matter how much bandwidth a company is using.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42079668


You pay for your internet speed in tiers. Your subscription comes with a set speed and if you are unlucky a data limit. The side we are talking about, getting the data to you, is payed and covered by you. Why should netflix have to pay extra and then charge you more for your subscription? That's double dipping.
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Because people like me who would NEVER subscribe to Netflix should not pay more because you do have Netflix. You want it, you pay for it, however much that is.
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Exactly. I'm amazed that anyone could support this idiotic shit
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There's nothing they can do to completely stop the net. The internet is a beast that they should have never made mainstream and will be their demise ultimatelydevil61rof1
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2876001


you would think so, but people are just using it for the dumbest most pointless shit, literally... its a tool we could all be using for global progression of the human species... people supporting net neutrality lmfao wow..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75559427


Net neutrality leads down the road to the internet becoming like TV, corporate, censored, controlled and advertised to death.





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