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Hell Yeah! Senate votes to reverse FCC order and restore net neutrality

 
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this is bad as is not net neutrality it is some rubbish obama passed in 2015 and called it net neutrality to fool people which benefits big tech companies

what the FCC did was remove obama rubbish called net neutrality and tried to put everything back to how it was pre 2015
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That is correct ! The evil democrats are fighting to supress free speech again. Net Neutrality is named and sold as the exact opposite of what it is. It will not be re-established as people have more information at their finger tips and can inform themselves. Net Neutrality is a stinking rip off of decent people.
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It's amazing how GLP survived for 16 years without net neutrality.


Thankfully Obama the lord christ and savoir came up with this great law to make these evil internet providers comply with government regulations.

After all if we can't have the internet controlled like another utility, how can we trust anyone but the government to regulate and keep it safe??????


5ahiding5ahiding5ahiding
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42079668


GLP survived all these years WITH a neutral internet.

You stupid fuckers want to ruin that and turn it over to Google and Mark Zuckerberg.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59543796


Net neutrality is turning the internet over to the hands of the government for them to regulate.

Is that what you want?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42079668



I want the internet to stay as it has been. That means NEUTRALITY and not allowing mega corporations to FUCK WITH IT!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59543796


You dumb fuck, Obama's net neutrality has only been in effect for three years. In that time, cost have risen, commercials have exploded and censorship has become horrible. If you want the internet to "stay as it has been" - from the 90s to 2015 - when it was the wild west and free of government control, net neutrality has to go. We need to RETURN to the way it always was. Net "neutrality" doesn't mean neutral. That's just Orwellian language to mislead people, like all government language does. It's the opposite of neutral.
In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

“Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.”

– Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project
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Because they are not in control now? It’s important that the speed in which they want the internet censored completely is slowed. Anything that allows people to still air their rights to freedom of speech needs celebrating.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29734028


Censorship has nothing to do with it.
Ending net neutrality means TURNING OVER the internet to Comcast, Facebook and Google and giving them carte blanche to control what you can see and at what speed.

Don't you get it??

iamwith
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59543796



You're a fucking liar. The internet already has slow and fast lanes. Gaming and streaming movies require more speed and bandwidth. Email doesn't. Sites like Netflix just don't want to pay for it so went to war with ISPs. You lying pieces of shit are misleading everyone and you're doing it deliberately. The internet was free and open from the time it began. It was fine. NN has only been in effect for three years and we now have censorship all over and higher rates.
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You quote Julian Assange in your sig. Julian Assange knows that net neutrality is necessary.

"Dear @realDonaldTrump: 'net neutrality' of some form is important. Your opponents control most internet companies. Without neutrality they can make your tweets load slowly, CNN load fast and infest everyone's phones with their ads. Careful"


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Net Neutrality came about when people wanted to use face time apps and other high intensity bandwidth uses over wireless internet.

Imagine if netflix were a trucking company, and they wanted the exclusive use of the highway system to deliver their goods.


That's what's happening here, higher bandwidth services such as streaming, chatting in real time, etc demanded higher network services.

They should be charged more.


People don't realize what's involved in sharing their stupid conversations over the internet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42079668


Your points don't actually make sense. Your analogy with a trucking company is quite uneducated to be honest.

Within that example netflix with be using the roads paid for by taxes (ISP subscription charges for the Internet and Taxes for actual roads) but they would then be required to pay a surcharge to use the road alongside of you to deliver the packages you want to you.

Big difference is that the roads cost a lot of money, extra bandwidth is pretty cheap and generally doesn't require much extra hardware where we are now. And keep in mind that the actual bandwidth (The actual roads of the internet) Have long been subsidized by the government and your tax payer money.

The ISPs are just milking every dollar out of their monopolies.
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Sorry I felt I needed to use a very small brained analogy to break it down for you.

Anyone who supports net "neutrality" ( a misleading name by the way ) supports the full government control of the internet.

Bottom line.

That is what will lead to internet being like television.

It's been proven time and time again government control makes things worse, not better.


Net neutrality gives the government the power to regulate and with it, it's only a matter of time before the internet in fact becomes not free, and websites like this will disappear.



As far as bandwidth you aren't going to argue that more demand on the network puts more stress and requires more power, more maintenance, etc.

You simply can't deny that.

So companies as well as people who want "fair internet" don't realize the costs involved in what they want.

Lets be honest, mostly folks who support net neutrality are concerned with their download speeds being slowed, because they are downloading tons of media, illegally.


The only other people supporting this lunacy would be brainwashed liberals.


Which one are you?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42079668


Thanks for jumping right into demeaning my intelligence and showing a clear lack of your own cognitive abilities to boot!

'Net Neutrality' Does not allow the the government the power to regulate the content on the internet. It just limits your ISP's ability to do so! And you pay your ISP for a speed and a dataplan.....

Net Neutrality actually is a regulation of the ability of ISP's to limit your access to content within the 'Service contract' you have with them. It stipulates that the ISP is required to provide the terms of their contract to all content providers online equally.

'Net Neutrality' Does not add government oversight over the internet. It's a means to not allow ISPs to discriminate the content you have access to within your service contract with them. It stipulates that your ISP cannot choose to limit your access to a service (or forum) because they do not like the content on it, or it takes more bandwidth then others.
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Re: Hell Yeah! Senate votes to reverse FCC order and restore net neutrality
Net Neutrality came about when people wanted to use face time apps and other high intensity bandwidth uses over wireless internet.

Imagine if netflix were a trucking company, and they wanted the exclusive use of the highway system to deliver their goods.


That's what's happening here, higher bandwidth services such as streaming, chatting in real time, etc demanded higher network services.

They should be charged more.


People don't realize what's involved in sharing their stupid conversations over the internet.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42079668


Your points don't actually make sense. Your analogy with a trucking company is quite uneducated to be honest.

Within that example netflix with be using the roads paid for by taxes (ISP subscription charges for the Internet and Taxes for actual roads) but they would then be required to pay a surcharge to use the road alongside of you to deliver the packages you want to you.

Big difference is that the roads cost a lot of money, extra bandwidth is pretty cheap and generally doesn't require much extra hardware where we are now. And keep in mind that the actual bandwidth (The actual roads of the internet) Have long been subsidized by the government and your tax payer money.

The ISPs are just milking every dollar out of their monopolies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73577072


Sorry I felt I needed to use a very small brained analogy to break it down for you.

Anyone who supports net "neutrality" ( a misleading name by the way ) supports the full government control of the internet.

Bottom line.

That is what will lead to internet being like television.

It's been proven time and time again government control makes things worse, not better.


Net neutrality gives the government the power to regulate and with it, it's only a matter of time before the internet in fact becomes not free, and websites like this will disappear.



As far as bandwidth you aren't going to argue that more demand on the network puts more stress and requires more power, more maintenance, etc.

You simply can't deny that.

So companies as well as people who want "fair internet" don't realize the costs involved in what they want.

Lets be honest, mostly folks who support net neutrality are concerned with their download speeds being slowed, because they are downloading tons of media, illegally.


The only other people supporting this lunacy would be brainwashed liberals.


Which one are you?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42079668


Thanks for jumping right into demeaning my intelligence and showing a clear lack of your own cognitive abilities to boot!

'Net Neutrality' Does not allow the the government the power to regulate the content on the internet. It just limits your ISP's ability to do so! And you pay your ISP for a speed and a dataplan.....

Net Neutrality actually is a regulation of the ability of ISP's to limit your access to content within the 'Service contract' you have with them. It stipulates that the ISP is required to provide the terms of their contract to all content providers online equally.

'Net Neutrality' Does not add government oversight over the internet. It's a means to not allow ISPs to discriminate the content you have access to within your service contract with them. It stipulates that your ISP cannot choose to limit your access to a service (or forum) because they do not like the content on it, or it takes more bandwidth then others.
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No.


I was responding to you calling my analogy uneducated.

You are also wrong about government oversight, net "neutrality" does add it, by the truckloads.


How do you think the government is supposed to enforce the neutrality and keep little old you safe from the evil corporations who want to limit your internet?

They will have to oversee these corporations of course, the same way they oversee television and radio corporations.

With an iron fist.




Face it bub, this so called net neutrality is bad business.
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Net Neutrality was a form of regulation that kept things on the internet as they always were. Comcast was trying to charge extra for delivering netflix, they went to netflix and told them to pay for the bandwidth, which costs them 0$ that their customers were using.

The regulation under the previous FCC chair protected online service providers from the internet access providers who already have monopolies in most of the US due to unregulated mergers. Then Ajit Pai, A former verizon lawyer became chair and decided that the monopolies should be allowed to charge for the content you get over the internet.

This isn't a partisan issue, it's a corporate issue. Should internet access providers be allowed to charge content providers for fast access to their content? Are then willing to pay subscriptions for content on the internet, knowing that money goes to the same company that charges you for giving you internet?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73577072


Well lets see, Netflix wanted to use more bandwidth without paying more, it seems they wanted preference over other websites without paying for it.

Seems like a pretty liberal policy to enforce private companies to charge the same no matter how much bandwidth a company is using.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42079668


You pay for your internet speed in tiers. Your subscription comes with a set speed and if you are unlucky a data limit. The side we are talking about, getting the data to you, is payed and covered by you. Why should netflix have to pay extra and then charge you more for your subscription? That's double dipping.
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Because people like me who would NEVER subscribe to Netflix should not pay more because you do have Netflix. You want it, you pay for it, however much that is.
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Then keep the system as it is, I pay my ISP, you pay yours. I pay netflix. The speed of our internet is specified in our contract with out ISPs, the data limit is specified in there. As long as we stay in that limit, no problem right?
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GLP survived all these years WITH a neutral internet.

You stupid fuckers want to ruin that and turn it over to Google and Mark Zuckerberg.
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Net neutrality is turning the internet over to the hands of the government for them to regulate.

Is that what you want?
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I want the internet to stay as it has been. That means NEUTRALITY and not allowing mega corporations to FUCK WITH IT!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59543796


You dumb fuck, Obama's net neutrality has only been in effect for three years. In that time, cost have risen, commercials have exploded and censorship has become horrible. If you want the internet to "stay as it has been" - from the 90s to 2015 - when it was the wild west and free of government control, net neutrality has to go. We need to RETURN to the way it always was. Net "neutrality" doesn't mean neutral. That's just Orwellian language to mislead people, like all government language does. It's the opposite of neutral.
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What the hell do you think is going to happen with advertising, censorship, and costs without neutrality, you fucking idiot?

Was it the government censoring YouTube and Facebook?

NO!

Was it the government creating commercials?

NO!

Was it the government raising costs?

NO!

It was the people and corporations that YOU want to utterly control the internet!
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Net Neutrality was a form of regulation that kept things on the internet as they always were. Comcast was trying to charge extra for delivering netflix, they went to netflix and told them to pay for the bandwidth, which costs them 0$ that their customers were using.

The regulation under the previous FCC chair protected online service providers from the internet access providers who already have monopolies in most of the US due to unregulated mergers. Then Ajit Pai, A former verizon lawyer became chair and decided that the monopolies should be allowed to charge for the content you get over the internet.

This isn't a partisan issue, it's a corporate issue. Should internet access providers be allowed to charge content providers for fast access to their content? Are then willing to pay subscriptions for content on the internet, knowing that money goes to the same company that charges you for giving you internet?
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So now Comcast and ATT put a 1tb limit per month on their customers. Therefore NFLX doesn't have to pay it is the customer that pays! 4k streaming eats up data!
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Well lets see, Netflix wanted to use more bandwidth without paying more, it seems they wanted preference over other websites without paying for it.

Seems like a pretty liberal policy to enforce private companies to charge the same no matter how much bandwidth a company is using.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42079668


You pay for your internet speed in tiers. Your subscription comes with a set speed and if you are unlucky a data limit. The side we are talking about, getting the data to you, is payed and covered by you. Why should netflix have to pay extra and then charge you more for your subscription? That's double dipping.
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Because people like me who would NEVER subscribe to Netflix should not pay more because you do have Netflix. You want it, you pay for it, however much that is.
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Then keep the system as it is, I pay my ISP, you pay yours. I pay netflix. The speed of our internet is specified in our contract with out ISPs, the data limit is specified in there. As long as we stay in that limit, no problem right?
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Yup.

So why do we need the internet as an intermediary?

If they start charging you lots more or slowing you down, then you can take legal action.

They can't legally do that already.


Why do we need more government oversight when we have laws in place already, to prevent something that wasn't even a problem to begin with?



Do you see the liberal viscous cycle yet?
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The Senate today voted 52-47 to disapprove the FCC’s recent order replacing 2015’s net neutrality rules, a pleasant surprise for internet advocates and consumers throughout the country. Although the disapproval will almost certainly not lead to the new rules being undone, it is a powerful statement of solidarity with a constituency activated against this deeply unpopular order.

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The way I'm reading this is it's bad. The FCC was trying to take the internet back to how it was before 2015. This is now blocking that.

Atleast thats my interpretation
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That's how I'm reading it too.

"Net Neutrality" allows these assholes to keep censoring.
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LOL this is good right?
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No you fucking moron. THat is not Net Neutrality. Combined with with the NDAA (National Defence Authorization Act) internet under the Title 2 can be taken over by the government at anytime. The Government can choose to shut down any webpage they want with no due process.

Net Neutrality is if the Congress passes law protecting the net, THat is the only true Net Neutrality. Government Agency control is not protecting the internet. Fuck people are so fucking retarded.
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Net neutrality is turning the internet over to the hands of the government for them to regulate.

Is that what you want?
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I want the internet to stay as it has been. That means NEUTRALITY and not allowing mega corporations to FUCK WITH IT!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59543796


You dumb fuck, Obama's net neutrality has only been in effect for three years. In that time, cost have risen, commercials have exploded and censorship has become horrible. If you want the internet to "stay as it has been" - from the 90s to 2015 - when it was the wild west and free of government control, net neutrality has to go. We need to RETURN to the way it always was. Net "neutrality" doesn't mean neutral. That's just Orwellian language to mislead people, like all government language does. It's the opposite of neutral.
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What the hell do you think is going to happen with advertising, censorship, and costs without neutrality, you fucking idiot?

Was it the government censoring YouTube and Facebook?

NO!

Was it the government creating commercials?

NO!

Was it the government raising costs?

NO!

It was the people and corporations that YOU want to utterly control the internet!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 59543796


The cool thing about an open and free internet is you don't like google and youtube, you can go elsewhere, or even make your own website.


With net neutrality and extensive government oversight, that won't be possible within a number of years.


Just a matter of time with government control over the internet before nanny state kicks in and websites like this are shut down.


you want free and open internet? Don't support net neutrality.
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Well lets see, Netflix wanted to use more bandwidth without paying more, it seems they wanted preference over other websites without paying for it.

Seems like a pretty liberal policy to enforce private companies to charge the same no matter how much bandwidth a company is using.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42079668


You pay for your internet speed in tiers. Your subscription comes with a set speed and if you are unlucky a data limit. The side we are talking about, getting the data to you, is payed and covered by you. Why should netflix have to pay extra and then charge you more for your subscription? That's double dipping.
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Because people like me who would NEVER subscribe to Netflix should not pay more because you do have Netflix. You want it, you pay for it, however much that is.
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I pay for the faster internet and I still don't use streaming services like netflix.

Only playing games, watching short videos, browsing.

I use very small amounts of bandwidth, but still pay extra for the faster speeds.
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According to liberals who want everything "equal" and "fair", you should have to pay as much as Netflix so Netflix doesn't have pay extra.
In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

“Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.”

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Your points don't actually make sense. Your analogy with a trucking company is quite uneducated to be honest.

Within that example netflix with be using the roads paid for by taxes (ISP subscription charges for the Internet and Taxes for actual roads) but they would then be required to pay a surcharge to use the road alongside of you to deliver the packages you want to you.

Big difference is that the roads cost a lot of money, extra bandwidth is pretty cheap and generally doesn't require much extra hardware where we are now. And keep in mind that the actual bandwidth (The actual roads of the internet) Have long been subsidized by the government and your tax payer money.

The ISPs are just milking every dollar out of their monopolies.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73577072


Sorry I felt I needed to use a very small brained analogy to break it down for you.

Anyone who supports net "neutrality" ( a misleading name by the way ) supports the full government control of the internet.

Bottom line.

That is what will lead to internet being like television.

It's been proven time and time again government control makes things worse, not better.


Net neutrality gives the government the power to regulate and with it, it's only a matter of time before the internet in fact becomes not free, and websites like this will disappear.



As far as bandwidth you aren't going to argue that more demand on the network puts more stress and requires more power, more maintenance, etc.

You simply can't deny that.

So companies as well as people who want "fair internet" don't realize the costs involved in what they want.

Lets be honest, mostly folks who support net neutrality are concerned with their download speeds being slowed, because they are downloading tons of media, illegally.


The only other people supporting this lunacy would be brainwashed liberals.


Which one are you?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42079668


Thanks for jumping right into demeaning my intelligence and showing a clear lack of your own cognitive abilities to boot!

'Net Neutrality' Does not allow the the government the power to regulate the content on the internet. It just limits your ISP's ability to do so! And you pay your ISP for a speed and a dataplan.....

Net Neutrality actually is a regulation of the ability of ISP's to limit your access to content within the 'Service contract' you have with them. It stipulates that the ISP is required to provide the terms of their contract to all content providers online equally.

'Net Neutrality' Does not add government oversight over the internet. It's a means to not allow ISPs to discriminate the content you have access to within your service contract with them. It stipulates that your ISP cannot choose to limit your access to a service (or forum) because they do not like the content on it, or it takes more bandwidth then others.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73577072


No.


I was responding to you calling my analogy uneducated.

You are also wrong about government oversight, net "neutrality" does add it, by the truckloads.


How do you think the government is supposed to enforce the neutrality and keep little old you safe from the evil corporations who want to limit your internet?

They will have to oversee these corporations of course, the same way they oversee television and radio corporations.

With an iron fist.




Face it bub, this so called net neutrality is bad business.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42079668


How does it add oversight? Any content provider that gets a shake down from a ISP will complain.... And they already oversee the ISP's. They are monopolies and the infrastructure that carries the content (bandwidth) is paid for with taxpayer dollars....

You're argument boils down to the town having to work the communal farm and then pay the local grocer who runs the farm to get the produce.....
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*APPLAUSE* for govt finally doing the right thing, sad that it was so close.
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The Senate today voted 52-47 to disapprove the FCC’s recent order replacing 2015’s net neutrality rules, a pleasant surprise for internet advocates and consumers throughout the country. Although the disapproval will almost certainly not lead to the new rules being undone, it is a powerful statement of solidarity with a constituency activated against this deeply unpopular order.

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What makes you morons hung “net neutrality” was a good thing? Because they slapped a pro-liberty sounding name on it? You’re fish.
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Sorry I felt I needed to use a very small brained analogy to break it down for you.

Anyone who supports net "neutrality" ( a misleading name by the way ) supports the full government control of the internet.

Bottom line.

That is what will lead to internet being like television.

It's been proven time and time again government control makes things worse, not better.


Net neutrality gives the government the power to regulate and with it, it's only a matter of time before the internet in fact becomes not free, and websites like this will disappear.



As far as bandwidth you aren't going to argue that more demand on the network puts more stress and requires more power, more maintenance, etc.

You simply can't deny that.

So companies as well as people who want "fair internet" don't realize the costs involved in what they want.

Lets be honest, mostly folks who support net neutrality are concerned with their download speeds being slowed, because they are downloading tons of media, illegally.


The only other people supporting this lunacy would be brainwashed liberals.


Which one are you?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42079668


Thanks for jumping right into demeaning my intelligence and showing a clear lack of your own cognitive abilities to boot!

'Net Neutrality' Does not allow the the government the power to regulate the content on the internet. It just limits your ISP's ability to do so! And you pay your ISP for a speed and a dataplan.....

Net Neutrality actually is a regulation of the ability of ISP's to limit your access to content within the 'Service contract' you have with them. It stipulates that the ISP is required to provide the terms of their contract to all content providers online equally.

'Net Neutrality' Does not add government oversight over the internet. It's a means to not allow ISPs to discriminate the content you have access to within your service contract with them. It stipulates that your ISP cannot choose to limit your access to a service (or forum) because they do not like the content on it, or it takes more bandwidth then others.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73577072


No.


I was responding to you calling my analogy uneducated.

You are also wrong about government oversight, net "neutrality" does add it, by the truckloads.


How do you think the government is supposed to enforce the neutrality and keep little old you safe from the evil corporations who want to limit your internet?

They will have to oversee these corporations of course, the same way they oversee television and radio corporations.

With an iron fist.




Face it bub, this so called net neutrality is bad business.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 42079668


How does it add oversight? Any content provider that gets a shake down from a ISP will complain.... And they already oversee the ISP's. They are monopolies and the infrastructure that carries the content (bandwidth) is paid for with taxpayer dollars....

You're argument boils down to the town having to work the communal farm and then pay the local grocer who runs the farm to get the produce.....
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Monopolies implies one company that controls all the avenues of a particular good or service.

Considering there are hundreds of internet service providers out there, where's this monopoly?


Government oversight comes in the form of regulation as I have explained a number of times.


If you don't get it I can't help you.


Furthermore if no government oversight is needed why is net neutrality needed?


Do you even understand what it does?

Because it puts the control of the internet directly in the hands of the government.

If you can't understand this one simple thing you won't understand why net neutrality is bad.
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You pay for your internet speed in tiers. Your subscription comes with a set speed and if you are unlucky a data limit. The side we are talking about, getting the data to you, is payed and covered by you. Why should netflix have to pay extra and then charge you more for your subscription? That's double dipping.
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Because people like me who would NEVER subscribe to Netflix should not pay more because you do have Netflix. You want it, you pay for it, however much that is.
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I pay for the faster internet and I still don't use streaming services like netflix.

Only playing games, watching short videos, browsing.

I use very small amounts of bandwidth, but still pay extra for the faster speeds.
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According to liberals who want everything "equal" and "fair", you should have to pay as much as Netflix so Netflix doesn't have pay extra.
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Aren't we there already? You pay your ISP for the access to the service, with their ability to set data caps and speed limits, and you pay the content provider for their content? Why would anyone need to pay more? If your data plan runs out, you can't consume.... why should the content provider have to pay to get their data to you? Isn't free market you working that out with your ISP?
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Because people like me who would NEVER subscribe to Netflix should not pay more because you do have Netflix. You want it, you pay for it, however much that is.
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I pay for the faster internet and I still don't use streaming services like netflix.

Only playing games, watching short videos, browsing.

I use very small amounts of bandwidth, but still pay extra for the faster speeds.
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According to liberals who want everything "equal" and "fair", you should have to pay as much as Netflix so Netflix doesn't have pay extra.
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Aren't we there already? You pay your ISP for the access to the service, with their ability to set data caps and speed limits, and you pay the content provider for their content? Why would anyone need to pay more? If your data plan runs out, you can't consume.... why should the content provider have to pay to get their data to you? Isn't free market you working that out with your ISP?
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Exactly if we are already there why do we need further laws and rules and government control applied?



Don't you see the problem with net neutrality logic yet??
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The Senate today voted 52-47 to disapprove the FCC’s recent order replacing 2015’s net neutrality rules, a pleasant surprise for internet advocates and consumers throughout the country. Although the disapproval will almost certainly not lead to the new rules being undone, it is a powerful statement of solidarity with a constituency activated against this deeply unpopular order.

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Ah..... so you are in favor of the tech giants controlling and censoring information. What an absolute brain washed idiot
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Get a list of the 47 traitors so they can be taken care of!

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Ty glp I feel good about this.hf
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AMERICA FUCK YEAH!
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Man I can't wait until Trump bitch slaps this stupid thing with a veto.
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The Senate today voted 52-47 to disapprove the FCC’s recent order replacing 2015’s net neutrality rules, a pleasant surprise for internet advocates and consumers throughout the country. Although the disapproval will almost certainly not lead to the new rules being undone, it is a powerful statement of solidarity with a constituency activated against this deeply unpopular order.

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It's pretty fun watching feeble democrats pretend and call a loss a win. Trump Derangement Syndrome literally knows no bounds apparently. It's so entertaining watching the continued ignorance and watching people continue to parrot the propaganda of the tech giants and the mainstream media. Oh the sheep.
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So Amazon’s latest in a long line of government-monopoly contracts – is just fine. And never, ever called a monopoly.

Meanwhile, the Media-Left keep trying to pawn off on us fake, phony, faux monopolies – with their just-as-totally-dishonest reporting about cable and the ISPs.

Because the Media-Left loathe cable and the ISPs.

Even though cable and the ISPs…give the Left a ton of money.

(Something cable and the ISPs should STRONGLY reconsider. Stop feeding the hands that bite you.)

Were it not for double standards – the Media-Left would have no standards at all.
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I have a simple rule of thumb, if the democrats are for something, I am against it.
You can bet either the little guy gets screwed, or a big payoff is on its way into their off shore bank accounts.
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Thanks for jumping right into demeaning my intelligence and showing a clear lack of your own cognitive abilities to boot!

'Net Neutrality' Does not allow the the government the power to regulate the content on the internet. It just limits your ISP's ability to do so! And you pay your ISP for a speed and a dataplan.....

Net Neutrality actually is a regulation of the ability of ISP's to limit your access to content within the 'Service contract' you have with them. It stipulates that the ISP is required to provide the terms of their contract to all content providers online equally.

'Net Neutrality' Does not add government oversight over the internet. It's a means to not allow ISPs to discriminate the content you have access to within your service contract with them. It stipulates that your ISP cannot choose to limit your access to a service (or forum) because they do not like the content on it, or it takes more bandwidth then others.
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No.


I was responding to you calling my analogy uneducated.

You are also wrong about government oversight, net "neutrality" does add it, by the truckloads.


How do you think the government is supposed to enforce the neutrality and keep little old you safe from the evil corporations who want to limit your internet?

They will have to oversee these corporations of course, the same way they oversee television and radio corporations.

With an iron fist.




Face it bub, this so called net neutrality is bad business.
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How does it add oversight? Any content provider that gets a shake down from a ISP will complain.... And they already oversee the ISP's. They are monopolies and the infrastructure that carries the content (bandwidth) is paid for with taxpayer dollars....

You're argument boils down to the town having to work the communal farm and then pay the local grocer who runs the farm to get the produce.....
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Monopolies implies one company that controls all the avenues of a particular good or service.

Considering there are hundreds of internet service providers out there, where's this monopoly?


Government oversight comes in the form of regulation as I have explained a number of times.


If you don't get it I can't help you.


Furthermore if no government oversight is needed why is net neutrality needed?


Do you even understand what it does?

Because it puts the control of the internet directly in the hands of the government.

If you can't understand this one simple thing you won't understand why net neutrality is bad.
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No ISP monopolies in the US? Do some research... There are a lot but most areas are serviced by one.

And Net Neutrality is not a government oversight measure, it's a limitation on companies to expand their revenue streams. It means that they get their profit from their users not the content providers. It does not increase government control over the internet it just requires ISP's to adhere to the basic rule that they provide unhindered access to all things online.

I understand that you want to think that any rule increases government power. Net Neutrality did something else. It limited the markets ability to monetize and discriminate your ability to access content online. Something that was generally accepted in the early days of the internet until a corporation saw a means to defy and milk it.

Net Neutrality is not a new idea, it's always been here, long before 2015. Hence why the internet worked good. Then ISP's got greedy and tried for new revenue streams. Hence it was deemed necessary to codify it.
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So Amazon’s latest in a long line of government-monopoly contracts – is just fine. And never, ever called a monopoly.

Meanwhile, the Media-Left keep trying to pawn off on us fake, phony, faux monopolies – with their just-as-totally-dishonest reporting about cable and the ISPs.

Because the Media-Left loathe cable and the ISPs.

Even though cable and the ISPs…give the Left a ton of money.

(Something cable and the ISPs should STRONGLY reconsider. Stop feeding the hands that bite you.)

Were it not for double standards – the Media-Left would have no standards at all.
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They hate it because unlike radio, televsion and movies, they can't control everything about it.


Hence, "net neutrality" so they could control everything.


They just need an army of liberal dummies to support it.
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The Senate today voted 52-47 to disapprove the FCC’s recent order replacing 2015’s net neutrality rules, a pleasant surprise for internet advocates and consumers throughout the country. Although the disapproval will almost certainly not lead to the new rules being undone, it is a powerful statement of solidarity with a constituency activated against this deeply unpopular order.

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I guess if you trust Obama

Remember this everything Obama passed was bad, everything Obama did was against Americans

So, why would we believe that this thing that Obama started would be a good thing?

The internet was fine before 20015, so why did Obama feel the need to pass net neutrality?
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The internet is the last frontier for free thinkers and free speech. Obama wanted to control it and tax it.





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