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The Commentator User ID: 204909 United States 05/10/2007 12:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 31 degrees South, huh? That alone blows the mythical lunar mission from Australia into a cocked hat. You see, the basic physics say that the payload to orbit is profoundly sensitive to the launch latitude. The Saturn V was designed to be launched from a point no further than 28.5 degrees north or south of the equator. Woomera, being at 31 degrees south means that even the saturn V would not have the delta v to do a lunar mission with an Apollo spacecraft. Mass constraints on the later Apollo missions were so tight that even such things as the number of bandages ib the medical kit was a factor. This is basic astrodynamics, but the bunkers, not being terribly aware of astrodynamics, ignore physics to try to make a good myth. So, by another line of reasoning, this mission is bogus, utter bunk, a hoax. And not even a very good hoax at that. non sufficit Orbis Being a zetatard means never having to make sense. "Nancy pays me to post on Her threads" Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill NO max/bridget EVER!!!!! NO luser EVER!!! NO clunker EVER!!!!! |
boris User ID: 234356 Australia 05/10/2007 12:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to en.wikipedia.org] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 234356"The Woomera Prohibited Area currently has an area of 127,000 square kilometres making it the largest land-based defence and aerospace range in the world " Which part of Woomera are u talking about? The town itself(lol) or maybe some other part of the test area? It's a BIG place with not much else around until Darwin about 2000kms north. Oh, except for Pine Gap |
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The Commentator User ID: 204909 United States 05/10/2007 12:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Then show the Saturn V pad. Show the australian version of the VAB. Oh wait, you can't. non sufficit Orbis Being a zetatard means never having to make sense. "Nancy pays me to post on Her threads" Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill NO max/bridget EVER!!!!! NO luser EVER!!! NO clunker EVER!!!!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 234356 Australia 05/10/2007 12:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Quoting: Anonymous Coward 234356 Security is still a bit tight and NASA left there 1972. I never said they whet to the moon from there either, i just said they could launch rockets to space without people seeing them. but to quote u "That alone blows the mythical lunar mission from Australia into a cocked hat. You see, the basic physics say that the payload to orbit is profoundly sensitive to the launch latitude. The Saturn V was designed to be launched from a point no further than 28.5 degrees north or south of the equator. Woomera, being at 31 degrees south means that even the saturn V would not have the delta v to do a lunar mission with an Apollo spacecraft. Mass constraints on the later Apollo missions were so tight that even such things as the number of bandages ib the medical kit was a factor. This is basic astrodynamics, but the bunkers, not being terribly aware of astrodynamics, ignore physics to try to make a good myth. So, by another line of reasoning, this mission is bogus, utter bunk, a hoax. And not even a very good hoax at that" Do you know believe it was possible to launch from woomera? or are you going to have another rant at me? |
boris User ID: 234356 Australia 05/10/2007 01:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Then show the Saturn V pad. Show the australian version of the VAB. Quoting: The CommentatorOh wait, you can't. [link to www.youtube.com] for you.... |
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boris User ID: 234356 Australia 05/10/2007 01:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | but wait there more 31.323 S, 136.776 E Joint Defence Facility Nurrungar (JDFN), located on the edge of Island Lagoon, approximately 15 km south of Woomera, South Australia at 31.323 S, 136.776 E, was a facility operated jointly by the Australian Department of Defence and the United States Air Force from 1969 through 1999. Its official area of emphasis was space-based surveillance, in particular the early detection of missile launches and nuclear detonations using US Defense Support Program satellites in geostationary orbits. The name Nurrungar derives from an aboriginal term meaning "listen". |
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boris User ID: 234356 Australia 05/10/2007 01:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | oh Canberra bomber.the last photo is me and a mate outside baxter detention centre. Quoting: DrPostmanYea, saw that. Thanks. In those colors it must have been part of a demonstration team. thats not the canberra bomer, that was across the street. They were all test aircraft hence the bright colours. |
The Commentator User ID: 204909 United States 05/10/2007 02:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | In other words, Boris, you still can't support the claim of a manned lunar mission using a Saturn V booster launching from Australia. Oh yes, where is the liquid Oxygen production facility? Where is the liquid Hydrogen facility? There is a LOT more to launching a Saturn V than just the booster. non sufficit Orbis Being a zetatard means never having to make sense. "Nancy pays me to post on Her threads" Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill NO max/bridget EVER!!!!! NO luser EVER!!! NO clunker EVER!!!!! |
The Commentator User ID: 204909 United States 05/10/2007 03:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Learn a little more about the Woomera Range: [link to www.astronautix.com] non sufficit Orbis Being a zetatard means never having to make sense. "Nancy pays me to post on Her threads" Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill NO max/bridget EVER!!!!! NO luser EVER!!! NO clunker EVER!!!!! |
boris User ID: 234356 Australia 05/10/2007 03:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.frogandtoad.com.au] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 234356"the township has only been open to the public since 1982" Security is still a bit tight and NASA left there 1972. I never said they whet to the moon from there either, i just said they could launch rockets to space without people seeing them. but to quote u "That alone blows the mythical lunar mission from Australia into a cocked hat. You see, the basic physics say that the payload to orbit is profoundly sensitive to the launch latitude. The Saturn V was designed to be launched from a point no further than 28.5 degrees north or south of the equator. Woomera, being at 31 degrees south means that even the saturn V would not have the delta v to do a lunar mission with an Apollo spacecraft. Mass constraints on the later Apollo missions were so tight that even such things as the number of bandages ib the medical kit was a factor. This is basic astrodynamics, but the bunkers, not being terribly aware of astrodynamics, ignore physics to try to make a good myth. So, by another line of reasoning, this mission is bogus, utter bunk, a hoax. And not even a very good hoax at that" Do you know believe it was possible to launch from woomera? or are you going to have another rant at me? note "I never said they whet to the moon from there either, i just said they could launch rockets to space without people seeing them." you should read more..... |
boris User ID: 234356 Australia 05/10/2007 03:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Learn a little more about the Woomera Range: [link to www.astronautix.com] Quoting: The CommentatorFunny they dont even mention the Nuclear tests done there. but u have all the answers and seem to know everything. Wonder why it was in the top ten USSR targets, i wonder why it was only open to the pubic (the township that is)from 1982. Have you looked at the whole thread? But i guess seeing as you still cant go on the range yet they have told the public everything that happened there. Guessing you also know of everything that was every tested at Area 51 too. Guessing you judge a book by its cover and the government never lies too. But hey i bet you didnt even know about Woomera until today. |
The Commentator User ID: 204909 United States 05/10/2007 03:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Which is utterly unimportant from the topic of the discussion, a mythical Apollo manned lunar landing. If you can't support the vehicle, you can't launch it. Pure and simple. non sufficit Orbis Being a zetatard means never having to make sense. "Nancy pays me to post on Her threads" Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill NO max/bridget EVER!!!!! NO luser EVER!!! NO clunker EVER!!!!! |
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The Commentator User ID: 204909 United States 05/10/2007 03:29 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yes, quite a bit actually. Sadly the British space program, once full of hope did a few launches from Woomera, but sadly never really caught the governmental or public imagination. The British Interplanetary Society did a very good book on the place a few years ago, In addition the US had a tracking station there for both Apollo and deep space work, and of course the NSA station at Pine Gap is not far away. I have been wirking the space game as an engineer for my entire adult life. Woomera was well known to US space professionals since the 1950s. non sufficit Orbis Being a zetatard means never having to make sense. "Nancy pays me to post on Her threads" Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill NO max/bridget EVER!!!!! NO luser EVER!!! NO clunker EVER!!!!! |
boris User ID: 234356 Australia 05/10/2007 03:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to pargoo.customer.netspace.net.au] Wow they did launch a lot of rockets. Check out that list. [link to pargoo.customer.netspace.net.au] nice pic too. So could we agree that maybe things happened at Woomers that the US government forgot to tell you. |
boris User ID: 234356 Australia 05/10/2007 03:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dont forget Joint Defense Facility Nurrungar [link to en.wikipedia.org] |
The Commentator User ID: 204909 United States 05/10/2007 03:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can't be too big a secret, you know about it, and one of the links I gave you listed all the launches. Forgot to tell you, or you didn't bother to look? non sufficit Orbis Being a zetatard means never having to make sense. "Nancy pays me to post on Her threads" Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill NO max/bridget EVER!!!!! NO luser EVER!!! NO clunker EVER!!!!! |
boris User ID: 234356 Australia 05/10/2007 03:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Can't be too big a secret, you know about it, and one of the links I gave you listed all the launches. Quoting: The CommentatorForgot to tell you, or you didn't bother to look? you list was a bit shorter that one i just gave above. Its not like it brought down the Australia government..... [link to www.newdawnmagazine.com] |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 234356 Australia 05/10/2007 03:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 31 degrees South, huh? Quoting: The CommentatorThat alone blows the mythical lunar mission from Australia into a cocked hat. You see, the basic physics say that the payload to orbit is profoundly sensitive to the launch latitude. The Saturn V was designed to be launched from a point no further than 28.5 degrees north or south of the equator. Woomera, being at 31 degrees south means that even the saturn V would not have the delta v to do a lunar mission with an Apollo spacecraft. Mass constraints on the later Apollo missions were so tight that even such things as the number of bandages ib the medical kit was a factor. This is basic astrodynamics, but the bunkers, not being terribly aware of astrodynamics, ignore physics to try to make a good myth. So, by another line of reasoning, this mission is bogus, utter bunk, a hoax. And not even a very good hoax at that. do you still stand by this i.e too far south. Because as you said you have known about it since the 50's but as pointed out by me it is well in you 28.5 degrees south range. |
The Commentator User ID: 204909 United States 05/10/2007 03:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No, obviously did not bring down the government. But I have to ask, what is the point of that link? It really doesn't seem connected to the topic at hand. non sufficit Orbis Being a zetatard means never having to make sense. "Nancy pays me to post on Her threads" Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill NO max/bridget EVER!!!!! NO luser EVER!!! NO clunker EVER!!!!! |
boris User ID: 234356 Australia 05/10/2007 04:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No, obviously did not bring down the government. Quoting: The CommentatorBut I have to ask, what is the point of that link? It really doesn't seem connected to the topic at hand. it did bring down the government, 2 infact.Whitlam and Harold E. Holt. Harold disappeared but they named a base after him. Have you heard of it? [link to en.wikipedia.org] [link to en.wikipedia.org] |
The Commentator User ID: 204909 United States 05/10/2007 04:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | That base is new to me, but what is the connection between it and launching Saturn boosters on manned Apollo missions? non sufficit Orbis Being a zetatard means never having to make sense. "Nancy pays me to post on Her threads" Free Store admits to being a paid zetadrool shill NO max/bridget EVER!!!!! NO luser EVER!!! NO clunker EVER!!!!! |