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NawtyBits (OP) User ID: 76572535 United States 05/17/2018 02:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.dailystar.co.uk (secure)] Ebola crisis meeting called – WHO poised to declare 'international EMERGENCY' WHO has called for a crunch meeting tomorrow as bosses consider declaring the latest Ebola outbreak a "public health emergency of international concern". WWJBD-What Would Jimmy Buffett Do "If it's wet and not yours, don't touch it." Oregon H1N1 Summit speaker |
NawtyBits (OP) User ID: 76572535 United States 05/17/2018 02:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Working a lot but still kicking. I see your keeping up to date also. Latest reports show silent spread and great uncertainty. Hope the vaccine can do something! I don't see the vax helping anyone but the rich/powerful and health care workers. Not enough doses to make a dent in the general population. WWJBD-What Would Jimmy Buffett Do "If it's wet and not yours, don't touch it." Oregon H1N1 Summit speaker |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76588029 France 05/17/2018 02:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just saw this article , it's in French, saying that 300 people potentially had direct or indirect contact with the infected (which were all regularly going to church). It also says that people in the city are starting to panick. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76588029 [link to actualite.cd (secure)] Almost 600 people are now monitored. |
Teslawasriteuno User ID: 68486170 United States 05/17/2018 02:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just imagine how much money the big pharm boys who control WHO will make from their Vaccines if there is a full on Ebola epidemic or if the media is able to create a frenzy ad they did before and make people think there is going to be an epidemic. Also, imagine all the new kinds of poison they can put into the Ebola vaccines as millions line up for that jab and don't give a shit what is in it. Profit potential and population control potential is right in line with the globalist agenda. Bill Gates is smiling I'm sure. |
Feistylorax User ID: 7247104 United States 05/17/2018 03:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm here as well, It's a port city upstream from the capital. looks like things are going to get serious fast. Quoting: Feistylorax Does anyone know about the cultural aspects that caused issues in the last one dealing with things like burial? You mean like hand washing the dead body as part of the funeral process? Yea, we covered this in detail. Read that last thread which is linked on the OP here. You'll know more than you ever wanted to know about housing, food, cultural practices and weather where Ebola thrives. Appreciated,I was part of that group as well almost from the beginning. I was thinking that due to the distance between the two outbreaks that there may be a few differences between the cultures and practices when dealing with the sick or dead. The one I remember the most was the dead bodies being transported in Taxi's between living people. The one thing that may be in our favor is that the Congo has the most experience with Ebola. The Congo was formerly known as Zaire. “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, Nothing is going to get better. It's not.” Dr. Seuss, The Lorax ENTP SAHM raising chickens and kids preparing for whatever happens |
Feistylorax User ID: 7247104 United States 05/17/2018 03:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Technically since it is in a major city, and the person was contagious it could be anywhere in the world right now. However that is extremely unlikely since the average African doesn't leave on vacations to Europe and America. However hopefully they are a bit more proactive on the travel bans this time. “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, Nothing is going to get better. It's not.” Dr. Seuss, The Lorax ENTP SAHM raising chickens and kids preparing for whatever happens |
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NawtyBits (OP) User ID: 63573929 United States 05/17/2018 03:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I removed a post on depopulation. It's not that i agree or disagree, it's not relevant to the immediate concerns of this thread. I'm not trying to censor anyone. WWJBD-What Would Jimmy Buffett Do "If it's wet and not yours, don't touch it." Oregon H1N1 Summit speaker |
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NawtyBits (OP) User ID: 63573929 United States 05/17/2018 03:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm here as well, It's a port city upstream from the capital. looks like things are going to get serious fast. Quoting: Feistylorax Does anyone know about the cultural aspects that caused issues in the last one dealing with things like burial? You mean like hand washing the dead body as part of the funeral process? Yea, we covered this in detail. Read that last thread which is linked on the OP here. You'll know more than you ever wanted to know about housing, food, cultural practices and weather where Ebola thrives. Appreciated,I was part of that group as well almost from the beginning. I was thinking that due to the distance between the two outbreaks that there may be a few differences between the cultures and practices when dealing with the sick or dead. The one I remember the most was the dead bodies being transported in Taxi's between living people. The one thing that may be in our favor is that the Congo has the most experience with Ebola. The Congo was formerly known as Zaire. I hope some of the old group show up here. I think that WHO and other groups are going to be a lot less forthcoming with info. MAN has been fairly quiet, we will need to dig for info. WWJBD-What Would Jimmy Buffett Do "If it's wet and not yours, don't touch it." Oregon H1N1 Summit speaker |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76162798 France 05/17/2018 03:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also of note, was what was written about an 8 week late growing period due to adverse weather conditions. All, correctly predicted.....so far |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 49476107 Germany 05/17/2018 03:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Remember reading a PDF doc where something like this was forecast to start to happen this year and by 2019 20,000,000 Africans dying from it. If this does go rancid banana, then kiss goodbye to more than that worldwide. That document also predicted massive worldwide food shortages leading to mass riots, by Oct 2018 and Volcanic activity will lead to a poisoned atmosphere........ all written at least before any of the current probs started. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76162798 Also of note, was what was written about an 8 week late growing period due to adverse weather conditions. All, correctly predicted.....so far Won't happen this year. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76162798 France 05/17/2018 03:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Remember reading a PDF doc where something like this was forecast to start to happen this year and by 2019 20,000,000 Africans dying from it. If this does go rancid banana, then kiss goodbye to more than that worldwide. That document also predicted massive worldwide food shortages leading to mass riots, by Oct 2018 and Volcanic activity will lead to a poisoned atmosphere........ all written at least before any of the current probs started. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76162798 Also of note, was what was written about an 8 week late growing period due to adverse weather conditions. All, correctly predicted.....so far Won't happen this year. I can see world food shortages this year |
NawtyBits (OP) User ID: 63573929 United States 05/17/2018 03:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Remember reading a PDF doc where something like this was forecast to start to happen this year and by 2019 20,000,000 Africans dying from it. If this does go rancid banana, then kiss goodbye to more than that worldwide. That document also predicted massive worldwide food shortages leading to mass riots, by Oct 2018 and Volcanic activity will lead to a poisoned atmosphere........ all written at least before any of the current probs started. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76162798 Also of note, was what was written about an 8 week late growing period due to adverse weather conditions. All, correctly predicted.....so far If this kills 20,000,000 Africans, it will kill a lot of other people, too. No country will be untouched. I think some nasty bug is going to get us at and point. But i always assumed that it would come out of southeast Asia. SARS, MERS, avian flu, are all trying to kill us. Ebola just gets more publicity because it's horrifying. WWJBD-What Would Jimmy Buffett Do "If it's wet and not yours, don't touch it." Oregon H1N1 Summit speaker |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76162798 France 05/17/2018 03:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Remember reading a PDF doc where something like this was forecast to start to happen this year and by 2019 20,000,000 Africans dying from it. If this does go rancid banana, then kiss goodbye to more than that worldwide. That document also predicted massive worldwide food shortages leading to mass riots, by Oct 2018 and Volcanic activity will lead to a poisoned atmosphere........ all written at least before any of the current probs started. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76162798 Also of note, was what was written about an 8 week late growing period due to adverse weather conditions. All, correctly predicted.....so far If this kills 20,000,000 Africans, it will kill a lot of other people, too. No country will be untouched. I think some nasty bug is going to get us at and point. But i always assumed that it would come out of southeast Asia. SARS, MERS, avian flu, are all trying to kill us. Ebola just gets more publicity because it's horrifying. Very much agree with you on the 'no country will be untouched' thing. It looks like we're in for a wicked time of things from now on. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73578187 United States 05/17/2018 03:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Working a lot but still kicking. I see your keeping up to date also. Latest reports show silent spread and great uncertainty. Hope the vaccine can do something! I don't see the vax helping anyone but the rich/powerful and health care workers. Not enough doses to make a dent in the general population. All the vaccine does is toxify and temporarily suppress symptoms through immune system disifiguration as toxicity reaches a threshold - and then last ditch shedding (outbreak) occurs as the organism dies in the process. Takes about 12 months, depending on the individual's toxicity profile. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73694037 United States 05/17/2018 03:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Working a lot but still kicking. I see your keeping up to date also. Latest reports show silent spread and great uncertainty. Hope the vaccine can do something! I don't see the vax helping anyone but the rich/powerful and health care workers. Not enough doses to make a dent in the general population. No they are fucked, and $2 says it will mutate away from it anyway, it experimental. Too many loose ends already. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76589102 France 05/17/2018 03:38 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's not a confirmed information (I saw some tweets in french, as it's one of the spoken languages in RDC), saying that the case confirmed on the spot is a subject related to the people who witnessed the burial of a Ebola death in Bikoro, the epicenter of the epidemic. |
NawtyBits (OP) User ID: 63573929 United States 05/17/2018 03:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Working a lot but still kicking. I see your keeping up to date also. Latest reports show silent spread and great uncertainty. Hope the vaccine can do something! I don't see the vax helping anyone but the rich/powerful and health care workers. Not enough doses to make a dent in the general population. All the vaccine does is toxify and temporarily suppress symptoms through immune system disifiguration as toxicity reaches a threshold - and then last ditch shedding (outbreak) occurs as the organism dies in the process. Takes about 12 months, depending on the individual's toxicity profile. I know a little bit about a little bit. You will have to provide a link to substantiate that claim, please. WWJBD-What Would Jimmy Buffett Do "If it's wet and not yours, don't touch it." Oregon H1N1 Summit speaker |
NawtyBits (OP) User ID: 63573929 United States 05/17/2018 03:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's not a confirmed information (I saw some tweets in french, as it's one of the spoken languages in RDC), saying that the case confirmed on the spot is a subject related to the people who witnessed the burial of a Ebola death in Bikoro, the epicenter of the epidemic. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76589102 African burials are very hands-on, deeply rooted tradition. This was a major problem with the 2013/14 outbreak. Thanks for translating. Some of the news sites out of Africa i check are in French....i may ask for help. It has to be better than Google translate. WWJBD-What Would Jimmy Buffett Do "If it's wet and not yours, don't touch it." Oregon H1N1 Summit speaker |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 73578187 United States 05/17/2018 03:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73694037 Working a lot but still kicking. I see your keeping up to date also. Latest reports show silent spread and great uncertainty. Hope the vaccine can do something! I don't see the vax helping anyone but the rich/powerful and health care workers. Not enough doses to make a dent in the general population. All the vaccine does is toxify and temporarily suppress symptoms through immune system disifiguration as toxicity reaches a threshold - and then last ditch shedding (outbreak) occurs as the organism dies in the process. Takes about 12 months, depending on the individual's toxicity profile. I know a little bit about a little bit. You will have to provide a link to substantiate that claim, please. LMAO. We all know what you are. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76589102 France 05/17/2018 03:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's not a confirmed information (I saw some tweets in french, as it's one of the spoken languages in RDC), saying that the case confirmed on the spot is a subject related to the people who witnessed the burial of a Ebola death in Bikoro, the epicenter of the epidemic. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76589102 African burials are very hands-on, deeply rooted tradition. This was a major problem with the 2013/14 outbreak. Thanks for translating. Some of the news sites out of Africa i check are in French....i may ask for help. It has to be better than Google translate. No problem, it would be a pleasure to help. I really appreciate your threads since a long time :) |
NawtyBits (OP) User ID: 63573929 United States 05/17/2018 04:01 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: NawtyBits I don't see the vax helping anyone but the rich/powerful and health care workers. Not enough doses to make a dent in the general population. All the vaccine does is toxify and temporarily suppress symptoms through immune system disifiguration as toxicity reaches a threshold - and then last ditch shedding (outbreak) occurs as the organism dies in the process. Takes about 12 months, depending on the individual's toxicity profile. I know a little bit about a little bit. You will have to provide a link to substantiate that claim, please. LMAO. We all know what you are. Yeah. That's what i thought. WWJBD-What Would Jimmy Buffett Do "If it's wet and not yours, don't touch it." Oregon H1N1 Summit speaker |
Feistylorax User ID: 7247104 United States 05/17/2018 04:07 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Remember reading a PDF doc where something like this was forecast to start to happen this year and by 2019 20,000,000 Africans dying from it. If this does go rancid banana, then kiss goodbye to more than that worldwide. That document also predicted massive worldwide food shortages leading to mass riots, by Oct 2018 and Volcanic activity will lead to a poisoned atmosphere........ all written at least before any of the current probs started. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76162798 Also of note, was what was written about an 8 week late growing period due to adverse weather conditions. All, correctly predicted.....so far If this kills 20,000,000 Africans, it will kill a lot of other people, too. No country will be untouched. I think some nasty bug is going to get us at and point. But i always assumed that it would come out of southeast Asia. SARS, MERS, avian flu, are all trying to kill us. Ebola just gets more publicity because it's horrifying. Very much agree with you on the 'no country will be untouched' thing. It looks like we're in for a wicked time of things from now on. Rule of thumb is things that are mostly produced in only that geographical area to stock first to save some money. So for example it will be Coffee, cocoa, vanilla for me. Those are the major food supplies from that region I use. If it starts to spread beyond that area medical supplies ect would be necessary. Thank God MERS, H7N9 and such are being very quiet. “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, Nothing is going to get better. It's not.” Dr. Seuss, The Lorax ENTP SAHM raising chickens and kids preparing for whatever happens |
Feistylorax User ID: 7247104 United States 05/17/2018 04:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.everyculture.com] Rituals and Holy Places. Most Congolese mix their indigenous practices with the Christian faith, depending on circumstances and desired outcomes. When someone falls ill, the whole community works together to help the patient. First, it must be determined whether the illness comes "from God," or if it is of natural or human causes. If it is determined that a witch or enemy caused the sickness, then traditional healing methods and beliefs are used, such as offering sacrifices to God and the ancestors. If, however, the disease seems to be from God, members of the community will most likely go to church to pray for the person. Death and the Afterlife. Many Congolese believe that the spirits of people who have died remain with the family in very obvious ways. Ancestors are very much alive and remain active in the life of the family for generations. People communicate with their ancestors, who act as intermediaries between humans and God. People often ask their ancestors for rain, health, good crops, or the solution to a difficult problem. White cloth is tied around trees to welcome these ancestral spirits. [b]When someone dies, small gifts are placed around the corpse so the person will have these items when he or she enters the spirit world.[/i] The body is then buried in a shroud. Women wear white paint on their faces to symbolize both their mourning and strength in overcoming difficulties. Medicine and Health Care Since many people drink, bathe, wash their clothes, and defecate in the same river, most water that is accessible to the population carries a host of diseases. Only 14 percent of the population has access to safe drinking water. Standards of living are even lower in refugee camps, where disease spreads much faster because of squalid living conditions and high the population density. Other problems in the Congo relate to the wartime conditions, which have led to the closure of some hospitals and to the government not paying some nurses and doctors. Some common ailments affecting the Congolese include malaria, parasites, tuberculosis, schistosomiasis, diarrhea, AIDS, and malnutrition. The increasing problem of AIDS has led to education programs targeting youth. Religious Beliefs. The missionaries in the colonial past greatly influenced the Congo's society, and most Congolese profess Christianity as their primary religion. The Roman Catholic Church is extremely prominent, both as a religion and organized group. Over half of the population is Roman Catholic, owing to the large number of missions, schools, hospitals, and foundations run by the church. The Catholics have the most extensive social network of schools, hospitals, and churches in the country. Traditional beliefs pervade nearly every aspect of life, even for churchgoing Christians. Several syncretic sects have combined traditional ancestral worship and ancient beliefs with Christianity to create new faiths, such as Kimbanguism. Started in 1902 by Simon Kimbangu, who claimed to receive visions of Moses healing, this faith combines anti-European sentiment with traditional African religion. Other Christian based-faiths include the Jamaa, the Kitawala, and the Protestant Church of Christ. There are also a small number of Muslims, who were converted by the influence of Zanzibari slave traders in the 1870s. People in the Congo who still primarily adhere to traditional African religions believe in the presence of a supreme being who is best accessed through ancestors rather than by direct prayer. Traditional beliefs hold that divine spirits inhabit inanimate objects, and that god can be found as a rock, a tree, or any other object. Having respect and reverence for one's ancestors is part of daily life in the Congo, and people hold a continual dialogue with their ancestors. Angry ancestral spirits looming around villages are offered sacrifices and gifts to placate them. People prayerfully ask the ancestors to bring them good harvests, and ceremonies are held specifically for that purpose. Illnesses, poor harvests, impotence, and death may arise because of a number of causes. Problems may be attributed to the will of god, angry ancestors, enemies, or witches, depending on the circumstance. Many Congolese fear witches, which are believed to bring all sorts of destruction to communities. People may pay village diviners, known to have special powers including healing and intuition, to find out the cause of the problem. Once the cause has been determined, the solution is remedied according to the healer's knowledge. Religious Practitioners. Spiritual healers, often called ngangas , use sacred medicines made of a variety of herbs to cure patients. Someone seeking advice or a cure may go to a healer to remedy a headache, skin disease, or AIDS; to ask for good crops or to become pregnant; or to be told the future. During certain rituals inside the healer's home, specific rules must be followed, depending on the consultation. This usually involves killing chickens, eating special herbs, uttering specific phrases, and consulting the nkisi . The nkisi may be a box, bag, or gourd with medicines inside. It is thought to be a force raised from the dead that has chosen to submit itself to human control during rituals. Ngangas wear around their waist the nkisi and small bags with herbs. Last Edited by Feistylorax on 05/17/2018 04:56 PM “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot, Nothing is going to get better. It's not.” Dr. Seuss, The Lorax ENTP SAHM raising chickens and kids preparing for whatever happens |