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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76467549 United States 05/26/2018 11:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 'Nos pasamos todo el día esperando novedades, con la esperanza de que solamente estuviera herida', dijo Marquez al periódico El Nuevo Día. 'Pero sus padres nos advirtieron que tal vez no lo lograría. Recién nos dieron la triste noticia'." Jorge Marquez, grandfather of AMG, and mayor of Manauba, Puerto Rico "Ana Marquez-Green died in hospital after receiving multiple gunshot wounds at Sandy Hook School in Newtown Connecticut. 'We spent the whole day waiting for news, with the hope that she had only been wounded,' said Marquez to the newspaper El Nuevo Dia. "But her parents informed us that she might not make it [emphasis added]. We just got the sad news." [link to listas.20minutos.es (secure)] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76467549 United States 05/26/2018 11:52 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, clearly AMG was taken to a hospital. The question is why CSP and the state's attorney decided to lie about it. It could have had to do with AMG specifically, or it could have had to do with covering up information related to another child (the girl who was officially transported, for example), or both. We know there weren't enough ambulances--Cario flat out said so--we know those ambulances were inadequately staffed, and we know at least four patients made it to Danbury. It had to be an issue of inadequate care, any way you look at it. See also Thread: Sandy Hook: Missing paramedics & the reality of all-volunteer, small town EMS |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74630877 United States 05/26/2018 05:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So, clearly AMG was taken to a hospital. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76467549 The question is why CSP and the state's attorney decided to lie about it. It could have had to do with AMG specifically, or it could have had to do with covering up information related to another child (the girl who was officially transported, for example), or both. We know there weren't enough ambulances--Cario flat out said so--we know those ambulances were inadequately staffed, and we know at least four patients made it to Danbury. It had to be an issue of inadequate care, any way you look at it. See also Thread: Sandy Hook: Missing paramedics & the reality of all-volunteer, small town EMS What's wrong with you?!! It's only obvious they were reading from two separate scripts!! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74797622 United States 05/27/2018 10:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There were far more than two children taken out. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76467549 Ana's grandfather said she died in hospital. Jesse's mother was told by a doctor--not a police officer--that he had passed away. Cario and Dragon removed a girl and a boy from Room 8, at minimum; a sworn document for vehicle decontamination of Vanghele's SUV confirms that it transported multiple juvenile victims. (00256555) Msgt Davis gave a sworn statement that Cario placed "another child," who was a girl, in Lt. Vanghele's SUV (Davis, 00007290) Michele Gay stated that only 21 parents waited at the fire house for notification of their child's death. Does any sane person (and would any sane jury) believe that literally half the parents of children known to be injured or deceased at that school went to the scene to find out what the hell was going on? That literally half of them said, "Just call me when you find out?" No way. [link to www.dailyherald.com] Further, we know that multiple couples were a the firehouse awaiting notification; they were photographed on scene, and also photographed leaving with officers after notification. That means that we are to believe that some deceased children's parents just didn't go to the scene at all. That, knowing their child was at Sandy Hook School that day, neither parent bothered going to the scene to be notified. Unthinkable, and illogical. The reason some parents weren't at the scene to receive notification is because they were at hospitals. Ana's grandfather was told by Ana's parents that she had been "wounded multiple times," and that they waited to hear her condition but unfortunately she didn't make it. The Danbury security supervisor reported four victim's in his ER by 10:25: File name: StartTime 2012-12-14 15-25-12 Logger 45170321 Channel 1 Radi Caller: "We're at Danbury Hospital, the emergency room..." CSP Dispatcher: "OK, do you have any victims that are there?" Caller: "Yes, we have four victims that already came in from Newtown." More than two children were transported away from Sandy Hook School. The Connecticut State Police, and Danbury State's Attorney, chose to lie about it. So which kids died at the hospital? You can get their death certificates here: [link to www.newtown-ct.gov] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76467549 United States 05/28/2018 05:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not even the children's own parents believe the information on the death certificates. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76467549 Which is why multiple parents asked in August of 2013 whether/how their child had been transported. EIGHT MONTHS LATER and parents still do not believe the police official story that their child lay in the school. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76467549 United States 05/28/2018 05:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The reason parents were kept from their children is not because the wounds were too horrific. It was because some or many children had wounds which, to put it in awful terms, were not horrific enough. Those of us who actually care about this case will continue to get the truth out there until the police who responded that day finally, finally admit what happened. Why? Because the basic law of response review is that you have to critically analyze problems in order to save lives. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76467549 United States 05/28/2018 10:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some, to many, to most victims had no apparent fatal injuries. Think about that, and what it means. It was in fact this very thing which caused Carver to personally call Dr. Lenworth Jacobs and tell him what the hell happened--that the children had perished unnecessarily, from survivable wounds. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74630877 United States 05/28/2018 10:54 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some, to many, to most victims had no apparent fatal injuries. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76467549 Think about that, and what it means. It was in fact this very thing which caused Carver to personally call Dr. Lenworth Jacobs and tell him what the hell happened--that the children had perished unnecessarily, from survivable wounds. Carver? The same Carver that didn't know what caliber of weapons were used nor the difference of how many boys and girls there were?! that Carver?? LOL! Oh boy I hope things don't start falling on the heads of Newtown!! - not! hahaha..... |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76467549 United States 05/29/2018 12:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some, to many, to most victims had no apparent fatal injuries. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76467549 Think about that, and what it means. It was in fact this very thing which caused Carver to personally call Dr. Lenworth Jacobs and tell him what the hell happened--that the children had perished unnecessarily, from survivable wounds. Carver? The same Carver that didn't know what caliber of weapons were used nor the difference of how many boys and girls there were?! that Carver?? LOL! Oh boy I hope things don't start falling on the heads of Newtown!! - not! hahaha..... Sure he knew. That's why he said what he knew. Any cop watching that knew the deal. Any cop watching knew Carver was saying, "The words I'm mouthing are BS." Carver was the first man to rebel against the official story. Which is why you hirelings immediately attacked him. Kind of a bad strategy in the end, don't you think? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76627076 United States 05/29/2018 02:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Some, to many, to most victims had no apparent fatal injuries. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76467549 Think about that, and what it means. It was in fact this very thing which caused Carver to personally call Dr. Lenworth Jacobs and tell him what the hell happened--that the children had perished unnecessarily, from survivable wounds. Carver? The same Carver that didn't know what caliber of weapons were used nor the difference of how many boys and girls there were?! that Carver?? LOL! Oh boy I hope things don't start falling on the heads of Newtown!! - not! hahaha..... Sure he knew. That's why he said what he knew. Any cop watching that knew the deal. Any cop watching knew Carver was saying, "The words I'm mouthing are BS." Carver was the first man to rebel against the official story. Which is why you hirelings immediately attacked him. Kind of a bad strategy in the end, don't you think? He was a moron and still is. He is incompetent and lied. And the 2 dumbass officers over his shoulder were just as intrigued - especially that short guy with the mustache! lol! He couldn't wait for Carver to shut the hell up so he could go get a donut I suppose! "nothing to see here!" LOL watch him - and you'll see what I mean! If there really was a tragedy at Sandy Hook that damn'd officer couldn't have acted the way he did! hahahaha |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75832495 United States 05/29/2018 04:57 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The reason parents were kept from their children is not because the wounds were too horrific. It was because some or many children had wounds which, to put it in awful terms, were not horrific enough. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76467549 That thought never occurred to me...it's completely plausible. I had a brother who died of 3rd degree burns over 90% of his body when he was only 13 years old and nothing could stop my mom from seeing him. It was HER choice to make whether that memory would be the last she had of him. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 68221914 United States 05/29/2018 05:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He was a moron and still is. He is incompetent and lied. And the 2 dumbass officers over his shoulder were just as intrigued - especially that short guy with the mustache! lol! He couldn't wait for Carver to shut the hell up so he could go get a donut I suppose! "nothing to see here!" LOL Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76627076 watch him - and you'll see what I mean! If there really was a tragedy at Sandy Hook that damn'd officer couldn't have acted the way he did! hahahaha Watch it again, knowing that Carver is being somewhat sarcastic about the words they've ordered him to use, and he doesn't always stick to his orders either. .223/5.56 is not designed to "deposit energy in the tissue." Those officers know damn well Carver is a loose cannon; the general population doesn't know what the hell he's hinting at but other law enforcement and medical people do. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 68221914 United States 05/29/2018 05:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The reason parents were kept from their children is not because the wounds were too horrific. It was because some or many children had wounds which, to put it in awful terms, were not horrific enough. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76467549 That thought never occurred to me...it's completely plausible. I had a brother who died of 3rd degree burns over 90% of his body when he was only 13 years old and nothing could stop my mom from seeing him. It was HER choice to make whether that memory would be the last she had of him. I'm so very, very sorry to hear this, AC :( |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 68221914 United States 05/29/2018 06:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Notice Carver's actual wording: "The bullets are designed in such a fashion that the energy...this is very clinical, and I shouldn't be saying this, but the energy is deposited in the tissue." Hollow points? What's he saying? We know there were hollow points used at some point because they're in the evidence photos. Also note that at the time of his presser he'd autopsied seven victims, and only two had been shot at close range. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76467549 United States 05/29/2018 09:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | NEWTOWN, Conn. — For Ray Corbo, first assistant fire chief at Newtown Hook and Ladder, the horrific images from Friday's shooting rampage at Sandy Hook Elementary have taken a toll. There was the Newtown police officer who ran by him in the school's parking lot, carrying a boy, limp in his arms. "The police officer's uniform had blood all over it," he said. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 49143694 United States 06/01/2018 04:44 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Read it again: "There was the Newtown police officer who ran by him in the school's parking lot, carrying a boy, limp in his arms." Ray Corbo was first assistant fire chief at Newtown Hook and Ladder. He knows what an NPD uniform looks like. It was a Newtown officer carrying a boy. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 49143694 United States 06/05/2018 11:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "...president and CEO of Danbury Hospital. He talked about the moment when they received the phone call, [which] said to expect, "...as many as many as two dozen victims coming through here who will require immediate medical care." [link to archive.org (secure)] |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 49143694 United States 06/06/2018 12:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "The police that were in there were calling for as many ambulances as possible." Ray Corbo, First Assistant Fire Chief, Newtown Hook & Ladder [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] As the first PR shills here rightly claimed, medical resources are not spent on patients with "obviously fatal" injuries. Patients with "obviously fatal" injuries are black-tagged and NOT transported. That means those ambulances were called for a LARGE number of patients with no obvious fatal injuries. That means there were a large number of wounded who were not "black-tagged." |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74797622 United States 06/06/2018 01:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "The police that were in there were calling for as many ambulances as possible." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49143694 Ray Corbo, First Assistant Fire Chief, Newtown Hook & Ladder [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] As the first PR shills here rightly claimed, medical resources are not spent on patients with "obviously fatal" injuries. Patients with "obviously fatal" injuries are black-tagged and NOT transported. That means those ambulances were called for a LARGE number of patients with no obvious fatal injuries. That means there were a large number of wounded who were not "black-tagged." They had to call for many ambulances because it was a shooting. But once the three cops and the three medics checked the victims, those many ambulances were not needed. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 49143694 United States 06/06/2018 01:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "The police that were in there were calling for as many ambulances as possible." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49143694 Ray Corbo, First Assistant Fire Chief, Newtown Hook & Ladder [link to www.youtube.com (secure)] As the first PR shills here rightly claimed, medical resources are not spent on patients with "obviously fatal" injuries. Patients with "obviously fatal" injuries are black-tagged and NOT transported. That means those ambulances were called for a LARGE number of patients with no obvious fatal injuries. That means there were a large number of wounded who were not "black-tagged." They had to call for many ambulances because it was a shooting. But once the three cops and the three medics checked the victims, those many ambulances were not needed. Ah, you're back. The question in this thread is not when the children died. It is whether they had obviously fatal wounds. Many did not, as proven by the fact that many ambulances were called for them. You are not up to this task, my friend. They're going to have to shell out for a heavier hitter. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 74797622 United States 06/06/2018 03:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Police--who as you mentioned, were also medically trained--saw victims. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49143694 They immediately requested "as many ambulances as possible." That means many, many victims had no apparent fatal injuries. Period. In the interview the paramedic says there were one or two to treat. They were expectoration more when they got there but didn't get any other than the one or two he mentioned. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 49143694 United States 06/06/2018 03:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Police--who as you mentioned, were also medically trained--saw victims. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49143694 They immediately requested "as many ambulances as possible." That means many, many victims had no apparent fatal injuries. Period. In the interview the paramedic says there were one or two to treat. They were expectoration more when they got there but didn't get any other than the one or two he mentioned. Exactly. Why was there an expectation of more? Because police inside the school told them there were many, many wounded who needed ambulances. Ambulances = NOT black-tagged. Ambulances = NO obviously-fatal injuries. Calling for many many ambulances at an MCI is the exact tactical equivalent of announcing that there are many victims with no apparent fatal injuries. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74797622 United States 06/06/2018 03:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Police--who as you mentioned, were also medically trained--saw victims. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49143694 They immediately requested "as many ambulances as possible." That means many, many victims had no apparent fatal injuries. Period. In the interview the paramedic says there were one or two to treat. They were expectoration more when they got there but didn't get any other than the one or two he mentioned. Expecting more i meant to write. Like I said, the ambulances were asked for when they thought they might have many victims to treat. Once the victims were checked they realized they did not have many to treat once they ambulances arrived. Paramedic summed it up in that interview. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 74797622 United States 06/06/2018 04:06 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Police--who as you mentioned, were also medically trained--saw victims. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 49143694 They immediately requested "as many ambulances as possible." That means many, many victims had no apparent fatal injuries. Period. In the interview the paramedic says there were one or two to treat. They were expectoration more when they got there but didn't get any other than the one or two he mentioned. Exactly. Why was there an expectation of more? Because police inside the school told them there were many, many wounded who needed ambulances. Ambulances = NOT black-tagged. Ambulances = NO obviously-fatal injuries. Calling for many many ambulances at an MCI is the exact tactical equivalent of announcing that there are many victims with no apparent fatal injuries. There was an expectation of more because it was a mass shooting. Multiple victims at a mass shooting should be expected. but the paramedic in the interview gave the answer. When they got there, there were none to treat, expect one or two. |