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The religion of peace - New apostasy bill to impose death on anyone who leaves Islam
New apostasy bill to impose death on anyone who leaves Islam
by Qaiser Felix

Pakistan’s government sends draft bill tabled by six-party Islamic alliance to standing committee for review. Under the bill’s terms, apostates would be sentenced to death or life in prison. Testimony by two adults is the only independent evidence needed to determine or demonstrate apostasy. Lahore archbishop is praying the bill is never adopted.

Islamabad (AsiaNews) – A draft bill adopted in first reading by Pakistan’s National Assembly is now before a standing committee. Tabled by a six-party politico-religious alliance, the Muttahida Majlis-i-Amal or MMA, the Apostasy Act 2006 which the government sent to the committee would impose the death penalty on Muslim men and life in prison on Muslim women in case they leave Islam. It would also force them to forfeit their property and lose legal custody of children.

During the same session, lawmakers rejected another draft bill moved by minority MNA Bhandara which sought to amend the existing blasphemy law.

“This situation is unfortunate and sad. We demand freedom of conscious, religion and expression in Pakistan, and this bill is contrary to the principle of freedom of choice”, said Archbishop Lawrence John Saldanha, head of National Commission for Justice and Peace and chairman of the Pakistan Catholic Bishops’ Conference.

“Because international human rights charters give every individual the right to change his or her religion according to his or her conscience, we hope and pray that this bill will not be passed,” Mgr Saldanha said.

Should the bill become law anyone who leaves Islam for another religion can be sentenced to death (if male) or life in prison ‘until repentance occurs’ (if female).

Section 4 of the bill says that the offender’s own confession in court or the testimony by at least two adults is sufficient grounds for conviction in apostasy cases. Testimony by non Muslims is not however admissible in certain Pakistani courts.

Section 5 stipulates that the ‘offender’ must be granted 3 to 30 days to recant the conversion and return to Islam. But even in cases where the person returns to Islam judges can impose two-year sentences as punishment for the original ‘crime’. The accused can convert and reconvert up to three times before the death sentence becomes automatic.

Under Section 8 apostates forfeit all their properties which are awarded only to their Muslim relatives. Section 9 says that they also lose custody to any minor in their care and guardianship, including their biological children.


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Re: The religion of peace - New apostasy bill to impose death on anyone who leaves Islam
The persecution of Christians is rising around the world.

There are some even here on GLP who "want to do away with Christians".....

Thanks for posting this Pac!
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What's your point? Is Pakistan YOUR country? Leave them alone to live their lives. If the people are unhappy they will rise up against those they don't want in power. Have you asked YOUR OWN COUNTRY why they support Pakistan and its leader who ousted a democratically elected PM in a coup? Look to the evils of your own nation first.
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Sounds more like gang membership conditions to me. than 'religion'
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What's your point? Is Pakistan YOUR country? Leave them alone to live their lives. If the people are unhappy they will rise up against those they don't want in power. Have you asked YOUR OWN COUNTRY why they support Pakistan and its leader who ousted a democratically elected PM in a coup? Look to the evils of your own nation first.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 157627


What do you make of a religion that has to threaten death or life in prison for anyone who wants a new faith?



Moron
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What's your point? Is Pakistan YOUR country? Leave them alone to live their lives. If the people are unhappy they will rise up against those they don't want in power. Have you asked YOUR OWN COUNTRY why they support Pakistan and its leader who ousted a democratically elected PM in a coup? Look to the evils of your own nation first.
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It's good to know at least a few people understand who created the problem and what freedom truly means.
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yes let's not blame the leadership of pakistan but instead condemn the religion as a whole, while catholic priests keep molesting your children
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Pakistan gov = #1 agents of US admin
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yes let's not blame the leadership of pakistan but instead condemn the religion as a whole, while catholic priests keep molesting your children
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Or we could call it all evil (which it is):

The leadership of Pakistan is wicked.

Islam is wicked.

The Roman religion is wicked.

Catholic priests who molest children are insanely wicked.

Let's call a spade a spade.

Let's come back to reality folks.
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What's your point? Is Pakistan YOUR country? Leave them alone to live their lives. If the people are unhappy they will rise up against those they don't want in power. Have you asked YOUR OWN COUNTRY why they support Pakistan and its leader who ousted a democratically elected PM in a coup? Look to the evils of your own nation first.


What do you make of a religion that has to threaten death or life in prison for anyone who wants a new faith?



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 Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat


What do you make of a group of people who condemn another group of people for the actions of a few?


ALL religions are a huge bullshit festivals designed to manipulate and stifle progress.
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What's your point? Is Pakistan YOUR country? Leave them alone to live their lives. If the people are unhappy they will rise up against those they don't want in power. Have you asked YOUR OWN COUNTRY why they support Pakistan and its leader who ousted a democratically elected PM in a coup? Look to the evils of your own nation first.



It's good to know at least a few people understand who created the problem and what freedom truly means.
 Quoting: JosieWales 108458

Yes. America and Israel created the inherent problems with the 'religion of peace' - it has nothing at all to do with the Islamics themselves. They are merely victims of US imperialism. That of course, is why they stone adulterers, cut off the hands of theives - and sentence to death those who want to leave the faith!

OF COURSE IT'S THE US & ISRAELS FAULT!

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So, what's the story Pacman? You're either on a rant against Muslims, Democrats, Liberals or Gays. Without them, you'd have no posts.
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What's your point? Is Pakistan YOUR country? Leave them alone to live their lives. If the people are unhappy they will rise up against those they don't want in power. Have you asked YOUR OWN COUNTRY why they support Pakistan and its leader who ousted a democratically elected PM in a coup? Look to the evils of your own nation first.


What do you make of a religion that has to threaten death or life in prison for anyone who wants a new faith?



Moron
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What do you make of a group of people who condemn another group of people for the actions of a few?

 Quoting: JosieWales 108458

Pakistan is a nation of hundreds of millions - would you condemn them to a mandatory life of medeival barbarism to satisfy your lefty opinions? YES - OF COURSE YOU WOULD!

IDIOT
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What's your point? Is Pakistan YOUR country? Leave them alone to live their lives. If the people are unhappy they will rise up against those they don't want in power. Have you asked YOUR OWN COUNTRY why they support Pakistan and its leader who ousted a democratically elected PM in a coup? Look to the evils of your own nation first.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 157627


Sounds like something out of the Spanish Inquisition.

Oh thats right muslims think it is still the 1400's don't they.
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What's your point? Is Pakistan YOUR country? Leave them alone to live their lives. If the people are unhappy they will rise up against those they don't want in power. Have you asked YOUR OWN COUNTRY why they support Pakistan and its leader who ousted a democratically elected PM in a coup? Look to the evils of your own nation first.


What do you make of a religion that has to threaten death or life in prison for anyone who wants a new faith?



Moron
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What do you make of a group of people who condemn another group of people for the actions of a few?


Pakistan is a nation of hundreds of millions - would you condemn them to a mandatory life of medeival barbarism to satisfy your lefty opinions? YES - OF COURSE YOU WOULD!

IDIOT
:&ardo:
 Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat


I believe the people are free to choose their own government and to rise up against the government they despise. And Pakistanis have the nature to do that as well if and when they choose. So leave them alone.
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Pakistan is a nation of hundreds of millions - would you condemn them to a mandatory life of medeival barbarism to satisfy your lefty opinions? YES - OF COURSE YOU WOULD!

IDIOT
:&ardo:


I believe the people are free to choose their own government and to rise up against the government they despise. And Pakistanis have the nature to do that as well if and when they choose. So leave them alone.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 157627

You obviously support the Islamist agenda..


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Well I would rather be a muslim then a Jew, I cant be a anyway I'm not a Khazar. Did you know that the jews murdered over 60 million Christians during the Russian revolution.
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I would be extremley happy to leave the islamics to fester in their own shitholes untill they either reform or wipre each other out - but instead their governments manipulate the discontent at home into hatred for the west - and encourage all their excess population to migrate here.
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I would be extremley happy to leave the islamics to fester in their own shitholes untill they either reform or wipre each other out - but instead their governments manipulate the discontent at home into hatred for the west - and encourage all their excess population to migrate here.
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What's your point? Is Pakistan YOUR country? Leave them alone to live their lives. If the people are unhappy they will rise up against those they don't want in power. Have you asked YOUR OWN COUNTRY why they support Pakistan and its leader who ousted a democratically elected PM in a coup? Look to the evils of your own nation first.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 157627



You are obviously a cowardly and immoral individual.

"leave them alone" ???????

Do NOTHING ????????

The Satanic shit going on in Pakistan and Iran is EXACTLY the reason the world needs a policeman.

It OUGHT to be the U.N., but they are too cowardly, just like you.

The fact that ANY country would PUT TO DEATH someone who, through an examination of conscience, changes their religious beliefs, is UNACCEPTABLE.

WHAT PART OF UNACCEPTABLE DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND ???

This means the civilized world must now overthrow the government of Pakistan AND Iran.

We CANNOT sit by idly.


If YOU saw a mother sexually molesting her son in public, would you say, "leave them alone" to other bystanders, or would you STAND UP, and say , "WE CANNOT ALLOW THIS TO CONTINUE" ???


It is time the whole world STOOD UP, and said to all radical Islamic regimes, " we will not allow this to continue".

NOW, DO YOU UNDERSTAND, MAGGOT ?
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This is how "Muslim countries" stay Muslim. A few of them have laws such as this on the books. The others will send government thugs to arrest and torture the "apostate" for threatening the "unity of the State". And if that doesn't happen, the locals will deal with him.

If a Pakistani Hindu ever converted to Islam, he or she would be treated like a national hero.
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What do you make of a religion that has to threaten death or life in prison for anyone who wants a new faith?
...
 Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat


I'm all for SECULAR governments and SECULAR citizenship. I don't believe in coercing or compelling anyone into obeying any religious law.
"Until you are willing to organize your friends and neighbors and literally shut down cities - drive at 5mph through the streets of major cities on the freeway and stop commerce, refuse to show up for work, refuse to borrow and spend more than you make, show up in Washington DC with a million of your neighbors and literally shut down The Capitol you WILL be bent over the table on a daily basis." Karl Denninger

Don't blame me; I voted for Ron Paul.


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Islam was founded by a guy called Muhammad (or something like that). He was a paedophile (taking 9 years old girl for wife) and mass murderer (killing thousands of prisoners of war).

What then to expect by such a "religion"?
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What do you make of a religion that has to threaten death or life in prison for anyone who wants a new faith?
...


I'm all for SECULAR governments and SECULAR citizenship. I don't believe in coercing or compelling anyone into obeying any religious law.
 Quoting: Redheaded Stepchild

Then we are in agreement for once. How can any nation promote a law compelling a MANDATORY spiritual/religious affiliation? RIDICULOUS! Musharraf's hands must be getting mighty sweaty..
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Then we are in agreement for once. How can any nation promote a law compelling a MANDATORY spiritual/religious affiliation? RIDICULOUS! Musharraf's hands must be getting mighty sweaty..
 Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat


How can any religion promote a law COMPELLING a mandatory spiritual/religious affiliation and require that it be THEIR religion that is to be followed?
"Until you are willing to organize your friends and neighbors and literally shut down cities - drive at 5mph through the streets of major cities on the freeway and stop commerce, refuse to show up for work, refuse to borrow and spend more than you make, show up in Washington DC with a million of your neighbors and literally shut down The Capitol you WILL be bent over the table on a daily basis." Karl Denninger

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This issue says a lot about the religion.

Most Muslims are born into the religion. Not that many are willing converts from other religions. If they have to have a penalty of physical torture or death for defectors then there isnt that much holding people in the faith.

Usually the thought of eternal damnation is enough of a guilt trip to hold most people, but if you have to add physical torture to keep the flock together, then it is more of a bondage or a cult.
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Then we are in agreement for once. How can any nation promote a law compelling a MANDATORY spiritual/religious affiliation? RIDICULOUS! Musharraf's hands must be getting mighty sweaty..


How can any religion promote a law COMPELLING a mandatory spiritual/religious affiliation and require that it be THEIR religion that is to be followed?
 Quoting: Redheaded Stepchild

A good argument in support of the sanctity of separation of church & state..
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Re: The religion of peace - New apostasy bill to impose death on anyone who leaves Islam
This issue says a lot about the religion.

Most Muslims are born into the religion. Not that many are willing converts from other religions. If they have to have a penalty of physical torture or death for defectors then there isnt that much holding people in the faith.

Usually the thought of eternal damnation is enough of a guilt trip to hold most people, but if you have to add physical torture to keep the flock together, then it is more of a bondage or a cult.
 Quoting: PACNWguy

"Cult" sums it up best, I think. A religion based on the destruction of other religions is not worthy of the designation "religion"...
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Re: The religion of peace - New apostasy bill to impose death on anyone who leaves Islam
This issue says a lot about the religion.

Most Muslims are born into the religion. Not that many are willing converts from other religions. If they have to have a penalty of physical torture or death for defectors then there isnt that much holding people in the faith.

Usually the thought of eternal damnation is enough of a guilt trip to hold most people, but if you have to add physical torture to keep the flock together, then it is more of a bondage or a cult.

"Cult" sums it up best, I think. A religion based on the destruction of other religions is not worthy of the designation "religion"...
 Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat


What a stupid sheeple..
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Re: The religion of peace - New apostasy bill to impose death on anyone who leaves Islam
This issue says a lot about the religion.

Most Muslims are born into the religion. Not that many are willing converts from other religions. If they have to have a penalty of physical torture or death for defectors then there isnt that much holding people in the faith.

Usually the thought of eternal damnation is enough of a guilt trip to hold most people, but if you have to add physical torture to keep the flock together, then it is more of a bondage or a cult.

"Cult" sums it up best, I think. A religion based on the destruction of other religions is not worthy of the designation "religion"...


What a stupid sheeple..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 45687

Brilliant reply!

:z1ppy:

Are you saying that this proposed law is a good thing? You are either a staunch Islamist, a stupid f*cktard - or you don't know what thread you're on..
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Re: The religion of peace - New apostasy bill to impose death on anyone who leaves Islam
This issue says a lot about the religion.

Most Muslims are born into the religion. Not that many are willing converts from other religions. If they have to have a penalty of physical torture or death for defectors then there isnt that much holding people in the faith.

Usually the thought of eternal damnation is enough of a guilt trip to hold most people, but if you have to add physical torture to keep the flock together, then it is more of a bondage or a cult.

"Cult" sums it up best, I think. A religion based on the destruction of other religions is not worthy of the designation "religion"...


What a stupid sheeple..

Brilliant reply!

:z1ppy:

Are you saying that this proposed law is a good thing? You are either a staunch Islamist, a stupid f*cktard - or you don't know what thread you're on..
 Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat


""Cult" sums it up best, I think. A religion based on the destruction of other religions is not worthy of the designation "religion"..."

Not only a stupid sheeple, but a hypocrite too.

Check your history, Idiot.

A few hundred years ago YOU would be the one burning people at the stake.





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