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Halcyon Dayz, FCD User ID: 76260827 Netherlands 05/28/2018 07:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | evolution is or should be or would be observable, humans could isolate a group of a species and study it's genetic profile to see if mutations are happening and evolution is in fact happening even over a 10 year or less time period, especially even something like bacteria which reproduces extremely quickly. Quoting: Ozzie OP 76624098 [link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)] Evolution says nothing about the origin of life. It's about how life changes from generation to generation. it doesn't explain the universe or the laws of universe which evolution and all things supposedly work by (evolution isn't real) Quoting: Ozzie OP 76624098 That's what fundamental physics and cosmology would be about. Last Edited by Halcyon Dayz, FCD on 05/28/2018 07:04 AM Reaching for the sky makes you taller. Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76621737 Israel 05/28/2018 07:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | evolution is or should be or would be observable, humans could isolate a group of a species and study it's genetic profile to see if mutations are happening and evolution is in fact happening even over a 10 year or less time period, especially even something like bacteria which reproduces extremely quickly. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76624098 Viruses mutate at an incredible rate. They "evolve". a virus was never seen developing any traits that were not already in its dna viruses ADAPT according to the limits of their dna... never evolve. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75814481 Australia 05/28/2018 08:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | evolution is or should be or would be observable, humans could isolate a group of a species and study it's genetic profile to see if mutations are happening and evolution is in fact happening even over a 10 year or less time period, especially even something like bacteria which reproduces extremely quickly. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76624098 Viruses mutate at an incredible rate. They "evolve". a virus was never seen developing any traits that were not already in its dna viruses ADAPT according to the limits of their dna... never evolve. That's not true. DNA is a sequence of nucleic bases, and mutations can add new bases to this sequence. All DNA uses the same 4 bases (A, G, T and C), so the only difference between the DNA of different organisms is the size and arrangement of this sequence of bases, which we call the genetic code. Let's say: a dog's genetic code is AT-TA-CG-AT a cat's genetic code is AT-TA-CG-TA a fly's genetic code is AT-TA-CG-CG-AT. As you can see each code is made of the same 4 bases, but the arrangement and size of the codes are different. Since mutations seem to affect every part of the code, and they are capable of adding, deleting, copying, and shifting bases around, then there are no limits that would prevent changing the DNA of one organism into another. |
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Kakarot User ID: 76628117 Australia 05/29/2018 12:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | evolution is or should be or would be observable, humans could isolate a group of a species and study it's genetic profile to see if mutations are happening and evolution is in fact happening even over a 10 year or less time period, especially even something like bacteria which reproduces extremely quickly. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76624098 they have.... italian wall lizards [link to news.nationalgeographic.com (secure)] Quoting: Italian wall lizards introduced to a tiny island off the coast of Croatia are evolving in ways that would normally take millions of years to play out, new research shows. In just a few decades the 5-inch-long (13-centimeter-long) lizards have developed a completely new gut structure, larger heads, and a harder bite, researchers say. In 1971, scientists transplanted five adult pairs of the reptiles from their original island home in Pod Kopiste to the tiny neighboring island of Pod Mrcaru, both in the south Adriatic Sea. Genetic testing on the Pod Mrcaru lizards confirmed that the modern population of more than 5,000 Italian wall lizards are all descendants of the original ten lizards left behind in the 1970s. After scientists transplanted the reptiles, the Croatian War of Independence erupted, ending in the mid-1990s. The researchers couldn't get back to island because of the war, Irschick said. In 2004, however, tourism began to open back up, allowing researchers access to the island laboratory. "We didn't know if we would find a lizard there. We had no idea if the original introductions were successful," Irschick said. What they found, however, was shocking. Fast-Track Evolution The new habitat once had its own healthy population of lizards, which were less aggressive than the new implants, Irschick said. The new species wiped out the indigenous lizard populations, although how it happened is unknown, he said. The transplanted lizards adapted to their new environment in ways that expedited their evolution physically, Irschick explained. Pod Mrcaru, for example, had an abundance of plants for the primarily insect-eating lizards to munch on. Physically, however, the lizards were not built to digest a vegetarian diet. Researchers found that the lizards developed cecal valves—muscles between the large and small intestine—that slowed down food digestion in fermenting chambers, which allowed their bodies to process the vegetation's cellulose into volatile fatty acids. "They evolved an expanded gut to allow them to process these leaves," Irschick said, adding it was something that had not been documented before. "This was a brand-new structure." Along with the ability to digest plants came the ability to bite harder, powered by a head that had grown longer and wider. Kakarot |
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MaybeTrollingU User ID: 75358302 Brazil 05/29/2018 12:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dang! Beat me to it... a clear example of what mutation and evolution is all about. |
MaybeTrollingU User ID: 75358302 Brazil 05/29/2018 12:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Common misconception from layman. We didn't came from apes, we share a common ancestor. Whatever was before, it was not a human, neither an ape, although physically it might look like a "mix" of us and them(apes) |
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MaybeTrollingU User ID: 75358302 Brazil 05/29/2018 12:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dang! Beat me to it... a clear example of what mutation and evolution is all about. This one shuts up most tards, minus that dgn guy. Yup. He is a JW. Most likely a child abuser. If JW church ends, he will end his opportunities on raping children and will be portrayed as a molester publicly. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76139808 United States 05/29/2018 12:55 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Common misconception from layman. We didn't came from apes, we share a common ancestor. Whatever was before, it was not a human, neither an ape, although physically it might look like a "mix" of us and them(apes) You are thinking of chimps, humans most surely come from an ape that was the common ancestor of both chimps and humans. Hell, humans are classified as apes biologically. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76139808 United States 05/29/2018 01:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)] Elysia chlorotica is the best example of evolution without mutation in my opinion. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76565359 Canada 05/29/2018 01:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76139808 Elysia chlorotica is the best example of evolution without mutation in my opinion. How so? |
MaybeTrollingU User ID: 75358302 Brazil 05/29/2018 01:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Common misconception from layman. We didn't came from apes, we share a common ancestor. Whatever was before, it was not a human, neither an ape, although physically it might look like a "mix" of us and them(apes) You are thinking of chimps, humans most surely come from an ape that was the common ancestor of both chimps and humans. Hell, humans are classified as apes biologically. Nope, YOU are the one thinking of chimps. Chimps, gorillas, orangutans and us, all descend from a common ancestor. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76565359 Canada 05/29/2018 01:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Dang! Beat me to it... a clear example of what mutation and evolution is all about. This one shuts up most tards, minus that dgn guy. Yup. He is a JW. Most likely a child abuser. If JW church ends, he will end his opportunities on raping children and will be portrayed as a molester publicly. Bwa ha ha ha! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76139808 United States 05/29/2018 01:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Common misconception from layman. We didn't came from apes, we share a common ancestor. Whatever was before, it was not a human, neither an ape, although physically it might look like a "mix" of us and them(apes) You are thinking of chimps, humans most surely come from an ape that was the common ancestor of both chimps and humans. Hell, humans are classified as apes biologically. Nope, YOU are the one thinking of chimps. Chimps, gorillas, orangutans and us, all descend from a common ancestor. Common misconception from layman. We didn't came from apes, we share a common ancestor. Whatever was before, it was not a human, neither an ape, although physically it might look like a "mix" of us and them(apes) You are thinking of chimps, humans most surely come from an ape that was the common ancestor of both chimps and humans. Hell, humans are classified as apes biologically. Nope, YOU are the one thinking of chimps. Chimps, gorillas, orangutans and us, all descend from a common ancestor. We share different common ancestors with each though. The last common ancestor of humans and chimps lives around 7 million years ago, and the last common ancestor of the gorilla and humans lived around 10 million years, but in both cases were still a species of ape, just not any living ones. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76139808 United States 05/29/2018 01:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76139808 Elysia chlorotica is the best example of evolution without mutation in my opinion. How so? [link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76139808 Elysia chlorotica is the best example of evolution without mutation in my opinion. How so? Their photosynthetic genes did not come from mutations but from horizontal gene transfer with algae. |
MaybeTrollingU User ID: 75358302 Brazil 05/29/2018 01:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: MaybeTrollingU Common misconception from layman. We didn't came from apes, we share a common ancestor. Whatever was before, it was not a human, neither an ape, although physically it might look like a "mix" of us and them(apes) You are thinking of chimps, humans most surely come from an ape that was the common ancestor of both chimps and humans. Hell, humans are classified as apes biologically. Nope, YOU are the one thinking of chimps. Chimps, gorillas, orangutans and us, all descend from a common ancestor. ... Quoting: MaybeTrollingU Common misconception from layman. We didn't came from apes, we share a common ancestor. Whatever was before, it was not a human, neither an ape, although physically it might look like a "mix" of us and them(apes) You are thinking of chimps, humans most surely come from an ape that was the common ancestor of both chimps and humans. Hell, humans are classified as apes biologically. Nope, YOU are the one thinking of chimps. Chimps, gorillas, orangutans and us, all descend from a common ancestor. We share different common ancestors with each though. The last common ancestor of humans and chimps lives around 7 million years ago, and the last common ancestor of the gorilla and humans lived around 10 million years, but in both cases were still a species of ape, just not any living ones. Still the facts are: We do share a common ancestor(even if a distant one) Whatever was this common ancestor, it was not human and it was not an ape(as we know it). |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76460429 United States 05/29/2018 01:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | evolution is or should be or would be observable, humans could isolate a group of a species and study it's genetic profile to see if mutations are happening and evolution is in fact happening even over a 10 year or less time period, especially even something like bacteria which reproduces extremely quickly. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76624098 Evolution is total BS. Survival of the fittest has nothing to do with existence at least not on earth. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76565359 Canada 05/29/2018 01:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76139808 Elysia chlorotica is the best example of evolution without mutation in my opinion. How so? [link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76139808 Elysia chlorotica is the best example of evolution without mutation in my opinion. How so? Their photosynthetic genes did not come from mutations but from horizontal gene transfer with algae. I'm pretty sure this has been "disproven". [link to academic.oup.com (secure)] The sea slug Elysia chlorotica offers a unique opportunity to study the evolution of a novel function (photosynthesis) in a complex multicellular host. Elysia chlorotica harvests plastids (absent of nuclei) from its heterokont algal prey, Vaucheria litorea. The “stolen” plastids are maintained for several months in cells of the digestive tract and are essential for animal development. The basis of long-term maintenance of photosynthesis in this sea slug was thought to be explained by extensive horizontal gene transfer (HGT) from the nucleus of the alga to the animal nucleus, followed by expression of algal genes in the gut to provide essential plastid-destined proteins. Early studies of target genes and proteins supported the HGT hypothesis, but more recent genome-wide data provide conflicting results. Here, we generated significant genome data from the E. chlorotica germ line (egg DNA) and from V. litorea to test the HGT hypothesis. Our comprehensive analyses fail to provide evidence for alga-derived HGT into the germ line of the sea slug. Polymerase chain reaction analyses of genomic DNA and cDNA from different individual E. chlorotica suggest, however, that algal nuclear genes (or gene fragments) are present in the adult slug. We suggest that these nucleic acids may derive from and/or reside in extrachromosomal DNAs that are made available to the animal through contact with the alga. These data resolve a long-standing issue and suggest that HGT is not the primary reason underlying long-term maintenance of photosynthesis in E. chlorotica. Therefore, sea slug photosynthesis is sustained in as yet unexplained ways that do not appear to endanger the animal germ line through the introduction of dozens of foreign genes. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76460429 United States 05/29/2018 01:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76139808 You are thinking of chimps, humans most surely come from an ape that was the common ancestor of both chimps and humans. Hell, humans are classified as apes biologically. Nope, YOU are the one thinking of chimps. Chimps, gorillas, orangutans and us, all descend from a common ancestor. ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76139808 You are thinking of chimps, humans most surely come from an ape that was the common ancestor of both chimps and humans. Hell, humans are classified as apes biologically. Nope, YOU are the one thinking of chimps. Chimps, gorillas, orangutans and us, all descend from a common ancestor. We share different common ancestors with each though. The last common ancestor of humans and chimps lives around 7 million years ago, and the last common ancestor of the gorilla and humans lived around 10 million years, but in both cases were still a species of ape, just not any living ones. Still the facts are: We do share a common ancestor(even if a distant one) Whatever was this common ancestor, it was not human and it was not an ape(as we know it). In time we will learn that we do not have alien DNA. That we are a part of an intelligent and intentional design. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76460429 United States 05/29/2018 01:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76139808 Elysia chlorotica is the best example of evolution without mutation in my opinion. How so? [link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76139808 Elysia chlorotica is the best example of evolution without mutation in my opinion. How so? Their photosynthetic genes did not come from mutations but from horizontal gene transfer with algae. I'm pretty sure this has been "disproven". [link to academic.oup.com (secure)] The sea slug Elysia chlorotica offers a unique opportunity to study the evolution of a novel function (photosynthesis) in a complex multicellular host. Elysia chlorotica harvests plastids (absent of nuclei) from its heterokont algal prey, Vaucheria litorea. The “stolen” plastids are maintained for several months in cells of the digestive tract and are essential for animal development. The basis of long-term maintenance of photosynthesis in this sea slug was thought to be explained by extensive horizontal gene transfer (HGT) from the nucleus of the alga to the animal nucleus, followed by expression of algal genes in the gut to provide essential plastid-destined proteins. Early studies of target genes and proteins supported the HGT hypothesis, but more recent genome-wide data provide conflicting results. Here, we generated significant genome data from the E. chlorotica germ line (egg DNA) and from V. litorea to test the HGT hypothesis. Our comprehensive analyses fail to provide evidence for alga-derived HGT into the germ line of the sea slug. Polymerase chain reaction analyses of genomic DNA and cDNA from different individual E. chlorotica suggest, however, that algal nuclear genes (or gene fragments) are present in the adult slug. We suggest that these nucleic acids may derive from and/or reside in extrachromosomal DNAs that are made available to the animal through contact with the alga. These data resolve a long-standing issue and suggest that HGT is not the primary reason underlying long-term maintenance of photosynthesis in E. chlorotica. Therefore, sea slug photosynthesis is sustained in as yet unexplained ways that do not appear to endanger the animal germ line through the introduction of dozens of foreign genes. Animals can not have such mutations and even if they did they would be slight. Carbon dating is wrong. Science is a child. A spoiled child observing something it doesn't have a clue of understanding. |
MaybeTrollingU User ID: 75358302 Brazil 05/29/2018 01:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: MaybeTrollingU Nope, YOU are the one thinking of chimps. Chimps, gorillas, orangutans and us, all descend from a common ancestor. ... Quoting: MaybeTrollingU Nope, YOU are the one thinking of chimps. Chimps, gorillas, orangutans and us, all descend from a common ancestor. We share different common ancestors with each though. The last common ancestor of humans and chimps lives around 7 million years ago, and the last common ancestor of the gorilla and humans lived around 10 million years, but in both cases were still a species of ape, just not any living ones. Still the facts are: We do share a common ancestor(even if a distant one) Whatever was this common ancestor, it was not human and it was not an ape(as we know it). In time we will learn that we do not have alien DNA. That we are a part of an intelligent and intentional design. VERY hard. The other way around thou, its much, much more likely. In time, there will be enough knowledge spread among religious fanatics and they will have to abandon their mysticism set of mind. And BTW, evolution has NOTHING to do with "alien DNA". We are animals, no different than any other animal we share the planet with. There is no "meaning of life", there is no "sin", there is no "savior" or heaven and hell. Religion is what is holding humanity to evolve. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76565359 Canada 05/29/2018 01:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Their photosynthetic genes did not come from mutations but from horizontal gene transfer with algae. I'm pretty sure this has been "disproven". [link to academic.oup.com (secure)] The sea slug Elysia chlorotica offers a unique opportunity to study the evolution of a novel function (photosynthesis) in a complex multicellular host. Elysia chlorotica harvests plastids (absent of nuclei) from its heterokont algal prey, Vaucheria litorea. The “stolen” plastids are maintained for several months in cells of the digestive tract and are essential for animal development. The basis of long-term maintenance of photosynthesis in this sea slug was thought to be explained by extensive horizontal gene transfer (HGT) from the nucleus of the alga to the animal nucleus, followed by expression of algal genes in the gut to provide essential plastid-destined proteins. Early studies of target genes and proteins supported the HGT hypothesis, but more recent genome-wide data provide conflicting results. Here, we generated significant genome data from the E. chlorotica germ line (egg DNA) and from V. litorea to test the HGT hypothesis. Our comprehensive analyses fail to provide evidence for alga-derived HGT into the germ line of the sea slug. Polymerase chain reaction analyses of genomic DNA and cDNA from different individual E. chlorotica suggest, however, that algal nuclear genes (or gene fragments) are present in the adult slug. We suggest that these nucleic acids may derive from and/or reside in extrachromosomal DNAs that are made available to the animal through contact with the alga. These data resolve a long-standing issue and suggest that HGT is not the primary reason underlying long-term maintenance of photosynthesis in E. chlorotica. Therefore, sea slug photosynthesis is sustained in as yet unexplained ways that do not appear to endanger the animal germ line through the introduction of dozens of foreign genes. Animals can not have such mutations and even if they did they would be slight. Carbon dating is wrong. Science is a child. A spoiled child observing something it doesn't have a clue of understanding. Seeing is believing, but you are to dumb to even believe your eyes, only your bible. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76460429 United States 05/29/2018 01:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76139808 ... We share different common ancestors with each though. The last common ancestor of humans and chimps lives around 7 million years ago, and the last common ancestor of the gorilla and humans lived around 10 million years, but in both cases were still a species of ape, just not any living ones. Still the facts are: We do share a common ancestor(even if a distant one) Whatever was this common ancestor, it was not human and it was not an ape(as we know it). In time we will learn that we do not have alien DNA. That we are a part of an intelligent and intentional design. VERY hard. The other way around thou, its much, much more likely. In time, there will be enough knowledge spread among religious fanatics and they will have to abandon their mysticism set of mind. And BTW, evolution has NOTHING to do with "alien DNA". We are animals, no different than any other animal we share the planet with. There is no "meaning of life", there is no "sin", there is no "savior" or heaven and hell. Religion is what is holding humanity to evolve. Lol you are clueless. This is the agenda to reduce man to a common dog. Therefore man can be eradicated like a dog. Since he has no soul and is not the image of God. We are better than the animal. We are not animal but human. Read esoteric knowledge instead of your narrow mjnded science that can not prove gravjty. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76139808 United States 05/29/2018 01:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76139808 Elysia chlorotica is the best example of evolution without mutation in my opinion. How so? [link to en.m.wikipedia.org (secure)] Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76139808 Elysia chlorotica is the best example of evolution without mutation in my opinion. How so? Their photosynthetic genes did not come from mutations but from horizontal gene transfer with algae. I'm pretty sure this has been "disproven". [link to academic.oup.com (secure)] The sea slug Elysia chlorotica offers a unique opportunity to study the evolution of a novel function (photosynthesis) in a complex multicellular host. Elysia chlorotica harvests plastids (absent of nuclei) from its heterokont algal prey, Vaucheria litorea. The “stolen” plastids are maintained for several months in cells of the digestive tract and are essential for animal development. The basis of long-term maintenance of photosynthesis in this sea slug was thought to be explained by extensive horizontal gene transfer (HGT) from the nucleus of the alga to the animal nucleus, followed by expression of algal genes in the gut to provide essential plastid-destined proteins. Early studies of target genes and proteins supported the HGT hypothesis, but more recent genome-wide data provide conflicting results. Here, we generated significant genome data from the E. chlorotica germ line (egg DNA) and from V. litorea to test the HGT hypothesis. Our comprehensive analyses fail to provide evidence for alga-derived HGT into the germ line of the sea slug. Polymerase chain reaction analyses of genomic DNA and cDNA from different individual E. chlorotica suggest, however, that algal nuclear genes (or gene fragments) are present in the adult slug. We suggest that these nucleic acids may derive from and/or reside in extrachromosomal DNAs that are made available to the animal through contact with the alga. These data resolve a long-standing issue and suggest that HGT is not the primary reason underlying long-term maintenance of photosynthesis in E. chlorotica. Therefore, sea slug photosynthesis is sustained in as yet unexplained ways that do not appear to endanger the animal germ line through the introduction of dozens of foreign genes. Huh didn’t know that. Learn something new every day. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 72615888 United States 05/29/2018 01:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Common misconception from people who get their science information from a minister who is basically ignorant of everything but what's in his story book which was written so long ago that they couldn't conceive of a gender-less God. As they say, pow*, mind blown. Say, one ape hears the Monolith and develops self consciousness and realizes that he can choose to smash his neighbor's skull. Now another ape miles away doesn't hear the Monolith but his life is just going along fine...until he meets with the advanced ape. But he escapes and the advanced ape walks away and starts his own colony. (his wife is an idiot but the kid is slightly smarter, and so on) The old apes are fine and have an environment that is pretty stable. There is no reason for them to change. Eventually you have the situation we have today. |