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How many people believe and trust in modern science, NASA, SpaceX, CERN, college scientific community and military space programs?

 
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How many people believe and trust in modern science, NASA, SpaceX, CERN, college scientific community and military space programs?
Do you believe in their facts, proofs, theories and experimental conclusions?

If not, why not?

How do you go about proving that their results are wrong? What "proof" do you have to contradict their conclusions?

What makes you even question their view of our reality, space, physics and science in the first place?

With so much money, technology and power at their disposal, how can they be wrong?

Are they all in collusion together to lie to you?

Tell me why you doubt modern science?

I honestly want to know why.
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They need to give me more proof...so far what I have seen is pure hogwash..I'm 48 years old
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Re: How many people believe and trust in modern science, NASA, SpaceX, CERN, college scientific community and military space programs?
The reason that I ask such a question is because I have ALWAYS felt that modern science was a lie.

But, I have very little "proof" of what I believe is actually true.

How does anyone question or disprove organizations that have millions of dollars of technology to back up their conclusions?

They also have the media in their pockets.

How could anyone ever prove that it all just a lie.

All of it.
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The reason that I ask such a question is because I have ALWAYS felt that modern science was a lie.

But, I have very little "proof" of what I believe is actually true.

How does anyone question or disprove organizations that have millions of dollars of technology to back up their conclusions?

They also have the media in their pockets.

How could anyone ever prove that it all just a lie.

All of it.
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Well...since it's reported by the lying media then how can you believe it's fact?
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Here are some of the questions I ALWAYS get thrown back at me:

- Why would so many people lie about scientific facts? Thousands of people would have to be in on the lie.

- Where is YOUR proof that modern science is wrong? What do you know? Show me the proof!

- What experiments do you doubt or disagree with? Links???

- Who are you to question "real" scientists? What degrees do you have?

- You are just ignorant and don't understand complex science. Leave it to the real scientists to know the truth.

I find all of that bullshit just another mind fuck! Nothing else.
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Neil The Pig Tyson is their figure head currently..: enough said
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Re: How many people believe and trust in modern science, NASA, SpaceX, CERN, college scientific community and military space programs?
The reason that I ask such a question is because I have ALWAYS felt that modern science was a lie.

But, I have very little "proof" of what I believe is actually true.

How does anyone question or disprove organizations that have millions of dollars of technology to back up their conclusions?

They also have the media in their pockets.

How could anyone ever prove that it all just a lie.

All of it.
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Well...since it's reported by the lying media then how can you believe it's fact?
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People don't believe the media covering science is lying. In their little minds, the media only lie about politics, never science.
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Re: How many people believe and trust in modern science, NASA, SpaceX, CERN, college scientific community and military space programs?
Here's an analogy. Do you trust lawyers to be just just because they know a lot about law. It depends right. Who do they represent, what are their motives.

Or try this one:

Do you trust a whore you are paying money to when she tells you she loves you.

Again, who funds the research, who dominates the fields of study and what are their motivations.
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Neil The Pig Tyson is their figure head currently..: enough said
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I got into it with AstroMut on here today about this issue and he makes Tyson seem like a light weight. He was beyond fanatical.

Who are these "science" people anyway? Are they true scientist? Are they really smarter and more knowledgeable than us? Should we shut up and take their word for everything as they want us to?

I think not...
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The other huge issue is that scientific theory has backed itself into some serious cognitive dissonance because it functions similarly to a church orthodoxy.

There are holes in our understanding of fundamental principle of physical reality so large that almost any absurdity can get jimmied into the equations. Just push establishing proof beyond the limits of any conceivable falsification and then start making conclusions based on a small fraction that can be consider known.
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Re: How many people believe and trust in modern science, NASA, SpaceX, CERN, college scientific community and military space programs?
Here's an analogy. Do you trust lawyers to be just just because they know a lot about law. It depends right. Who do they represent, what are their motives.

Or try this one:

Do you trust a whore you are paying money to when she tells you she loves you.

Again, who funds the research, who dominates the fields of study and what are their motivations.
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They have families, kids, homes, lives, dreams. Why would they sell out for a job?

Why don't they ever "blow the whistle" on the false science?

Are they members of a secret cabal? Or are they just fucking idiots holding on to a false dogma they were taught in college?
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The irony of being able to have your words seen around the world in an instant via the Internet and then doubting "modern" science is clearly sailing way over your heads.

Most people who question science do so because it contradicts a belief or beliefs that they have chosen to hold. They prefer to live in the dark ages.
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The irony of being able to have your words seen around the world in an instant via the Internet and then doubting "modern" science is clearly sailing way over your heads.

Most people who question science do so because it contradicts a belief or beliefs that they have chosen to hold. They prefer to live in the dark ages.
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No need to blindly believe them, you can observe for yourself whether what they say they're doing is actually happening or not.




Funny how those who claim that it's all "fake" never bother to do this kind of research or data collection themselves.
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The other huge issue is that scientific theory has backed itself into some serious cognitive dissonance because it functions similarly to a church orthodoxy.

There are holes in our understanding of fundamental principle of physical reality so large that almost any absurdity can get jimmied into the equations. Just push establishing proof beyond the limits of any conceivable falsification and then start making conclusions based on a small fraction that can be consider known.
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Yes. Quantum Physics is beginning to sound more like a religion than a scientific theory.

Some of us believe that it ALL is a lie! ALL OF IT!

How do we "prove" such an idea?
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Neil The Pig Tyson is their figure head currently..: enough said
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I got into it with AstroMut on here today about this issue and he makes Tyson seem like a light weight. He was beyond fanatical.

Who are these "science" people anyway? Are they true scientist? Are they really smarter and more knowledgeable than us? Should we shut up and take their word for everything as they want us to?

I think not...
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Good, don't take my word for it, I look forward to seeing you at a SpaceX LZ-1 landing to see it for yourself soon. I'm sure you'll actually prove that you're willing to put your money where your mouth is and won't bitch out on seeing it for yourself since you said you believe the landings are fake.
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Yeah, the things you listed are truthful and believable.

What I frequently don't believe is the twists and turns, manipulations, and embellishments of the data/science by the powers of governmental, political, Intelligence-Agencies--and others--who have an agenda outside of just science.
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No need to blindly believe them, you can observe for yourself whether what they say they're doing is actually happening or not.

Funny how those who claim that it's all "fake" never bother to do this kind of research or data collection themselves.
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The Tyson of Space has arrived...

PROOF! PROOF! GIVE ME PROOF!!!

*sigh*

Proof that everything you believe in is a fucking lie? All of it?

How can we give you that?
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The irony of being able to have your words seen around the world in an instant via the Internet and then doubting "modern" science is clearly sailing way over your heads.

Most people who question science do so because it contradicts a belief or beliefs that they have chosen to hold. They prefer to live in the dark ages.
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Most people who question science understand what science means and how it functions, as opposed to technicians with simpleminded regurgitation of orthodoxy and inbred selective attention.
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Neil The Pig Tyson is their figure head currently..: enough said
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I got into it with AstroMut on here today about this issue and he makes Tyson seem like a light weight. He was beyond fanatical.

Who are these "science" people anyway? Are they true scientist? Are they really smarter and more knowledgeable than us? Should we shut up and take their word for everything as they want us to?

I think not...
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Good, don't take my word for it, I look forward to seeing you at a SpaceX LZ-1 landing to see it for yourself soon. I'm sure you'll actually prove that you're willing to put your money where your mouth is and won't bitch out on seeing it for yourself since you said you believe the landings are fake.
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What I believe is MUCH larger than SpaceX, but I will do as you suggest. I will progress one small step at a time.

Now, be very honest here, would you believe me if I found fault with the technology once I saw it for myself? I think not.
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No need to blindly believe them, you can observe for yourself whether what they say they're doing is actually happening or not.

Funny how those who claim that it's all "fake" never bother to do this kind of research or data collection themselves.
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The Tyson of Space has arrived...

PROOF! PROOF! GIVE ME PROOF!!!

*sigh*

Proof that everything you believe in is a fucking lie? All of it?

How can we give you that?
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Well if you can't prove your extraordinary claim, then there is no reason to give it any credence at all. The problem is that you have a very fundamental failure in your ability to evaluate claims and assign weight to them based on evidence, or lack thereof. If you want to prove that what I "believe" in (actually have proof of, witnessed in person, and verified multiple times) is a "fucking lie," then you could start by simply showing up to a SpaceX LZ-1 landing and prove to the world that I'm lying about seeing it happen and filming it.
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ALL BASED ON LIES FOR FINANCIAL GAIN
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Well if you can't prove your extraordinary claim, then there is no reason to give it any credence at all. The problem is that you have a very fundamental failure in your ability to evaluate claims and assign weight to them based on evidence, or lack thereof. If you want to prove that what I "believe" in (actually have proof of, witnessed in person, and verified multiple times) is a "fucking lie," then you could start by simply showing up to a SpaceX LZ-1 landing and prove to the world that I'm lying about seeing it happen and filming it.
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What happens when the science you hold so dear must be explained with esoteric or in philosophical or occult terms.

What kind of proof can be given for the following questions:

- What is this thing that we call reality?

- Where our reality really located?

- Who created it?

- Who fired off the "Big Bang?"

- Is reincarnation real?

- Are we finite physical beings that disappear when we die forver?

- Are infinite beings experiencing this reality in temporary physical form? Why?

How do you experimentally proof these questions with your science?
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Neil The Pig Tyson is their figure head currently..: enough said
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I got into it with AstroMut on here today about this issue and he makes Tyson seem like a light weight. He was beyond fanatical.

Who are these "science" people anyway? Are they true scientist? Are they really smarter and more knowledgeable than us? Should we shut up and take their word for everything as they want us to?

I think not...
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Good, don't take my word for it, I look forward to seeing you at a SpaceX LZ-1 landing to see it for yourself soon. I'm sure you'll actually prove that you're willing to put your money where your mouth is and won't bitch out on seeing it for yourself since you said you believe the landings are fake.
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What I believe is MUCH larger than SpaceX, but I will do as you suggest. I will progress one small step at a time.

Now, be very honest here, would you believe me if I found fault with the technology once I saw it for myself? I think not.
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I've already seen it for myself from start to finish and I know for a fact that it works. So either I'm lying or it's real. Now if you can prove to world that I'm lying and it's fake, I will publicly admit it, apologize, and remove my YouTube channel along with all of my videos of SpaceX rockets launching and landing with their hundreds of thousands of views. Deal?
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ALL BASED ON LIES FOR FINANCIAL GAIN
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Then why is Astro spending his valuable time trying to convince us to believe his views? Money? Naw, I can't believe that.

He seems very sincere to me at times, though quite hardheaded and arrogant also.

Why would he spend his time here talking to me about this?
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I got into it with AstroMut on here today about this issue and he makes Tyson seem like a light weight. He was beyond fanatical.

Who are these "science" people anyway? Are they true scientist? Are they really smarter and more knowledgeable than us? Should we shut up and take their word for everything as they want us to?

I think not...
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Good, don't take my word for it, I look forward to seeing you at a SpaceX LZ-1 landing to see it for yourself soon. I'm sure you'll actually prove that you're willing to put your money where your mouth is and won't bitch out on seeing it for yourself since you said you believe the landings are fake.
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What I believe is MUCH larger than SpaceX, but I will do as you suggest. I will progress one small step at a time.

Now, be very honest here, would you believe me if I found fault with the technology once I saw it for myself? I think not.
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I've already seen it for myself from start to finish and I know for a fact that it works. So either I'm lying or it's real. Now if you can prove to world that I'm lying and it's fake, I will publicly admit it, apologize, and remove my YouTube channel along with all of my videos of SpaceX rockets launching and landing with their hundreds of thousands of views. Deal?
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You have seen it land and take off?...Does that mean it went to space?
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Well if you can't prove your extraordinary claim, then there is no reason to give it any credence at all. The problem is that you have a very fundamental failure in your ability to evaluate claims and assign weight to them based on evidence, or lack thereof. If you want to prove that what I "believe" in (actually have proof of, witnessed in person, and verified multiple times) is a "fucking lie," then you could start by simply showing up to a SpaceX LZ-1 landing and prove to the world that I'm lying about seeing it happen and filming it.
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What happens when the science you hold so dear must be explained with esoteric or in philosophical or occult terms.

What kind of proof can be given for the following questions:

- What is this thing that we call reality?

- Where our reality really located?

- Who created it?

- Who fired off the "Big Bang?"

- Is reincarnation real?

- Are we finite physical beings that disappear when we die forver?

- Are infinite beings experiencing this reality in temporary physical form? Why?

How do you experimentally proof these questions with your science?
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None of what you just said has anything to do with whether or not SpaceX is doing what they say they are with their rockets. If you want to prove that what I "believe" in (actually have proof of, witnessed in person, and verified multiple times) is a "fucking lie," then you could start by simply showing up to a SpaceX LZ-1 landing and prove to the world that I'm lying about seeing it happen and filming it. It's that simple. It doesn't require any discussion of esoteric concepts or philosophical debate, it just requires you to put your money where your mouth is and show up with a camera of your own. I'm there for most LZ-1 landings with my own equipment capable of tracking daylight launches from launch to landing, uninterrupted. If you want to show up as well you can see it for yourself.
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Good, don't take my word for it, I look forward to seeing you at a SpaceX LZ-1 landing to see it for yourself soon. I'm sure you'll actually prove that you're willing to put your money where your mouth is and won't bitch out on seeing it for yourself since you said you believe the landings are fake.
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What I believe is MUCH larger than SpaceX, but I will do as you suggest. I will progress one small step at a time.

Now, be very honest here, would you believe me if I found fault with the technology once I saw it for myself? I think not.
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I've already seen it for myself from start to finish and I know for a fact that it works. So either I'm lying or it's real. Now if you can prove to world that I'm lying and it's fake, I will publicly admit it, apologize, and remove my YouTube channel along with all of my videos of SpaceX rockets launching and landing with their hundreds of thousands of views. Deal?
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You have seen it land and take off?...Does that mean it went to space?
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Yes. It passed the Karman line in the process of launching and boosting back to land. Additionally I also track the payloads in space as well and independently verify their trajectories.


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I've already seen it for myself from start to finish and I know for a fact that it works. So either I'm lying or it's real. Now if you can prove to world that I'm lying and it's fake, I will publicly admit it, apologize, and remove my YouTube channel along with all of my videos of SpaceX rockets launching and landing with their hundreds of thousands of views. Deal?
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Please try to hear my argument at least once. I have agreed and listened to yours.

Just seeing a rocket launch from a pad, go down field and then even return is a cool and pretty amazing event.

What I am doubting is NOT the rocket technology or it's launch or even it's return. What I am questioning is it's end goal which is to leave our near earth orbit and to move beyond this planet to a place like the moon or even to Mars.

I believe that goal is an illusion. The rocket launch is not the larger deception. Space travel is. I am doubt our very reality and how it works.

The shape and makeup of our reality that we call life on Earth is the big question. See?

And no, I CAN'T PROVE IT!!!
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None of what you just said has anything to do with whether or not SpaceX is doing what they say they are with their rockets. If you want to prove that what I "believe" in (actually have proof of, witnessed in person, and verified multiple times) is a "fucking lie," then you could start by simply showing up to a SpaceX LZ-1 landing and prove to the world that I'm lying about seeing it happen and filming it. It's that simple. It doesn't require any discussion of esoteric concepts or philosophical debate, it just requires you to put your money where your mouth is and show up with a camera of your own. I'm there for most LZ-1 landings with my own equipment capable of tracking daylight launches from launch to landing, uninterrupted. If you want to show up as well you can see it for yourself.
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Astro, read the title of this thread that you have turned into a SpaceX proof thread!

What I have asked here is a MUCH bigger question than SpaceX. I want to know if it is ALL a fucking lie!!! All of it!

Read it!!!
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What I am doubting is NOT the rocket technology or it's launch or even it's return.
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That directly contradicts what you told me just a few hours ago.
You have yet to show that it's a "deception." In fact you've failed to address anything I've presented. Just curious OP, do you also think he fakes the landing and re-use of his rockets?
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Yes
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So you were lying then, you're lying now, or you admit I proved you wrong then. Which is it?
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