How many people believe and trust in modern science, NASA, SpaceX, CERN, college scientific community and military space programs? | |
Dr. Deplorable Astromut Senior Forum Moderator 05/30/2018 05:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: How many people believe and trust in modern science, NASA, SpaceX, CERN, college scientific community and military space programs? ... Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut You have failed to prove your claim that that is a cartoon. All evidence indicates it perfectly matches with geostationary weather satellite images and weather reports from every region on earth. I have yet to see a single discrepancy between EPIC's images of earth and the actual cloud cover overhead. Ever. And where is Antarctica? Right here. Easily seen in December, or even up past the equinox for a while if you like: [link to epic.gsfc.nasa.gov (secure)] You do realize that we're currently approaching northern summer and that Antartica is currently tilted away from the sun, right? And you do realize that this satellite orbits between the earth and sun and thus is subject to the seasonal orientation of earth, right? No, obviously you aren't aware of any of that, which is why you're spewing ignorant bullshit. If it is not visible on one side of the Earth because of the tilt, then it absolutely has to be entirely visible when they show the other side. Quoting: ACLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes, tell me genius, at what point in its orbit does the DSCOVR spacecraft find itself on the opposite side of the earth from the sun? OK that makes sense. But why do we not see any part of Antarctica on the May 29th feed? You still don't get it. Antarctica is tilted away from the sun. Even at the northernmost tip at 63+ degrees south the sun would only be 5 degrees over the horizon at its highest, it's at the limb of the earth and barely in the image at all and only for a few hours. To the extent that it is there, it's generally obscured by clouds. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75901873 Canada 05/30/2018 05:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: How many people believe and trust in modern science, NASA, SpaceX, CERN, college scientific community and military space programs? Right here. Easily seen in December, or even up past the equinox for a while if you like: [link to epic.gsfc.nasa.gov (secure)] You do realize that we're currently approaching northern summer and that Antartica is currently tilted away from the sun, right? And you do realize that this satellite orbits between the earth and sun and thus is subject to the seasonal orientation of earth, right? No, obviously you aren't aware of any of that, which is why you're spewing ignorant bullshit. If it is not visible on one side of the Earth because of the tilt, then it absolutely has to be entirely visible when they show the other side. Quoting: ACLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes, tell me genius, at what point in its orbit does the DSCOVR spacecraft find itself on the opposite side of the earth from the sun? OK that makes sense. But why do we not see any part of Antarctica on the May 29th feed? You still don't get it. Antarctica is tilted away from the sun. Even at the northernmost tip at 63+ degrees south the sun would only be 5 degrees over the horizon at its highest, it's at the limb of the earth and barely in the image at all and only for a few hours. To the extent that it is there, it's generally obscured by clouds. 63 degrees south should be getting almost 6 hours of sunlight right now. The link you gave also has a still image that shows the location of every land mass as the slide cycles though 18 images in a 24 hour day, so cloud cover is irrelevant. Where is King George Island? |
Dr. Deplorable Astromut Senior Forum Moderator 05/30/2018 05:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: How many people believe and trust in modern science, NASA, SpaceX, CERN, college scientific community and military space programs? ... Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut Right here. Easily seen in December, or even up past the equinox for a while if you like: [link to epic.gsfc.nasa.gov (secure)] You do realize that we're currently approaching northern summer and that Antartica is currently tilted away from the sun, right? And you do realize that this satellite orbits between the earth and sun and thus is subject to the seasonal orientation of earth, right? No, obviously you aren't aware of any of that, which is why you're spewing ignorant bullshit. ... LMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yes, tell me genius, at what point in its orbit does the DSCOVR spacecraft find itself on the opposite side of the earth from the sun? OK that makes sense. But why do we not see any part of Antarctica on the May 29th feed? You still don't get it. Antarctica is tilted away from the sun. Even at the northernmost tip at 63+ degrees south the sun would only be 5 degrees over the horizon at its highest, it's at the limb of the earth and barely in the image at all and only for a few hours. To the extent that it is there, it's generally obscured by clouds. 63 degrees south should be getting almost 6 hours of sunlight right now. Yeah, with a sun altitude of 5 degrees max. And that's for the sun, DSCOVR is closer than that to earth. Due to topocentric parallax even from King George Island, DSCOVR is only half a degree above the horizon at its max at this point in May. That's the very edge of the earth in the image, and cloud cover does matter. Unless it's a crystal clear day down there you're unlikely to spot the south shetland islands at all at this time of year and due to foreshortening it will be a tiny spec if you can spot it at all. You don't seem to understand basic geometry. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 75901873 Canada 05/30/2018 06:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: How many people believe and trust in modern science, NASA, SpaceX, CERN, college scientific community and military space programs? ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75901873 OK that makes sense. But why do we not see any part of Antarctica on the May 29th feed? You still don't get it. Antarctica is tilted away from the sun. Even at the northernmost tip at 63+ degrees south the sun would only be 5 degrees over the horizon at its highest, it's at the limb of the earth and barely in the image at all and only for a few hours. To the extent that it is there, it's generally obscured by clouds. 63 degrees south should be getting almost 6 hours of sunlight right now. Yeah, with a sun altitude of 5 degrees max. And that's for the sun, DSCOVR is closer than that to earth. Due to topocentric parallax even from King George Island, DSCOVR is only half a degree above the horizon at its max at this point in May. That's the very edge of the earth in the image, and cloud cover does matter. Unless it's a crystal clear day down there you're unlikely to spot the south shetland islands at all at this time of year and due to foreshortening it will be a tiny spec if you can spot it at all. You don't seem to understand basic geometry. 5.9 degrees sun altitude today on King George Island, not 5 degrees max as you stated. And what difference does being 1 million or 93 million miles away have to do with how much of a ball you can see? You still see half a ball. What about the still images that show all the land masses without cloud cover? The Hawaiian Islands are clearly visible on those stills. We don't even see the tip of South America when it is directly facing the sun/DSCOVR. Ushuaia is at 54.8 degrees south. King George Island is at 62 degrees south. Are you saying that from a million miles away we are losing 7 degrees of sunlit surface in the view from DSCOVR? And since it's a sphere that would have to be on all sides. I can't believe I'm even arguing about a cartoon. A cartoon that was created and made to mimic reality, no less. But still, they get a bit sloppy, especially when it comes to things down South. |
Dr. Deplorable Astromut Senior Forum Moderator 05/30/2018 06:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: How many people believe and trust in modern science, NASA, SpaceX, CERN, college scientific community and military space programs? ... Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut You still don't get it. Antarctica is tilted away from the sun. Even at the northernmost tip at 63+ degrees south the sun would only be 5 degrees over the horizon at its highest, it's at the limb of the earth and barely in the image at all and only for a few hours. To the extent that it is there, it's generally obscured by clouds. 63 degrees south should be getting almost 6 hours of sunlight right now. Yeah, with a sun altitude of 5 degrees max. And that's for the sun, DSCOVR is closer than that to earth. Due to topocentric parallax even from King George Island, DSCOVR is only half a degree above the horizon at its max at this point in May. That's the very edge of the earth in the image, and cloud cover does matter. Unless it's a crystal clear day down there you're unlikely to spot the south shetland islands at all at this time of year and due to foreshortening it will be a tiny spec if you can spot it at all. You don't seem to understand basic geometry. 5.9 degrees sun altitude today on King George Island, not 5 degrees max as you stated. And what difference does being 1 million or 93 million miles away have to do with how much of a ball you can see? It matters. Do the math. What altitude Over the Horizon is the satellite at the meridian on May 30th? Well given its current position it's about half a degree Over the Horizon. That means it's at the very edge of the Earth. Once again you didn't straight your ignorance of basic geometry and yet you think you're skilled enough to determine that this is fake and a cartoon. You're ignorant of your own ignorance. Last Edited by Astromut on 05/30/2018 06:46 PM |
74444 User ID: 74444 United States 05/31/2018 12:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: How many people believe and trust in modern science, NASA, SpaceX, CERN, college scientific community and military space programs? I understand Astro's frustration, as he is asked to answer the same flawed criticisms over Apollo again and again. Quoting: 74444 I think that might be the 300th time he's had to explain that Hubble, nor any other telescope on Earth, has the resolution to image the Apollo sites. As to Earth flatness, no FE believer masters spherical trigonometry before making their claims, nor has any explanation why spherical trigonometry works so perfectly in navigating the surface of the Earth. Nor why Lunar Eclipses never appear as a flat line. Nor why the Earth cannot be mapped on a flat surface without distortion, if the Earth is, in fact, flat. Nor astronomical objects orbiting two different celestial poles, depending on where you are on Earth. Nor the flight/sailing distance between South America and South Africa. A globe solves all these things, and many more. What observation does the FE model solve? Why do FE believers rapidly change from subject to subject as soon as the evidence mounts that they are incorrect? Which brings me to my final question, that will doubtlessly be ignored: What evidence *can* convince the FE believer/arguer that the Earth is, in fact, a globe? Astro's videos don't do it, basic math doesn't do it, the observations above won't do it. What rational way *will* do it? Can you even imagine an observation that would convince *you* that the FE model is false? Well, called that one. |
Halcyon Dayz, FCD User ID: 76260827 Netherlands 05/31/2018 11:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: How many people believe and trust in modern science, NASA, SpaceX, CERN, college scientific community and military space programs? Wouldn't a small NASA/SpaceX probe be a sensible expense since so many people now question the Apollo moon landings? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76631135 Fuck no. Any more evidence won't convince people who already ignore such vast amounts of evidence. Evidence has nothing to do with their opinion. How many is "so many" anyway? This place is hardly representative. And I suspect that many denialists here are just contrarian trolls who don't actually have an opinion or care about what is true. All it takes is an hour or two to find so many problems with what NASA and the space agencies present to us as truth. Quoting: Canadian Coward 75901873 Spending two hours on woochube or loudly-coloured websites is a truly poor substitute for doing actual research. And all these 'problems' invariably turn out to be things people don't understand. Which can only be fixed with a willingness to learn. Reaching for the sky makes you taller. Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 63927796 United States 12/19/2020 04:04 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: How many people believe and trust in modern science, NASA, SpaceX, CERN, college scientific community and military space programs? [link to apolloreality.atspace.co.uk] How, and where, NASA faked the lunar landing, and lunar lift off. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 71742062 United States 06/24/2021 02:31 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: How many people believe and trust in modern science, NASA, SpaceX, CERN, college scientific community and military space programs? They have unlimited money through grants but can't put a few extra cameras in their projects, tests and experiments AND release the footage in full without editing. THAT'S partially why. All the hoaxes are kind of the biggest reason. |
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