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See yourself in all that lives (charity) and your behaviour will clear your vision. Once you realise that there is nothing in this world, which you can call your own, you look at it from the outside as you look at a play on the stage, or a picture on the screen, admiring and enjoying, but really unmoved. As long as you conceptualise yourself to be something tangible and solid, a thing among things, actually existing in time and space, short-lived and vulnerable, naturally you will be anxious to survive and increase(fear and desire). But when you know yourself as beyond space and time - in contact with all only at the point of here and now - you will be afraid no longer. Know yourself as you are - there is no other remedy against fear here and now. You have to learn to think and feel on these lines, or you will remain indefinitely on the personal level of desire and fear, gaining and losing, growing and decaying. A personal problem cannot be solved on its own level. The very desire to live is the messenger of death, as the longing to be happy is the outline of sorrow. Personal world is an ocean of pain and fear, of anxiety and despair. A man of low intelligence believes, against all evidence, that he is an exception and that the world owes him happiness. But the world cannot give what it does not have; unreal to the core, it is of no use for real happiness. We seek the real because we are unhappy with the unreal. Happiness is our real nature and we shall never rest until we find it. But rarely we know where to seek it. Once you have understood that the world is but a mistaken view of reality, and is not what it appears to be, you are free of its obsessions. Only what is compatible with your real being can make you happy and the world, as you perceive it, is its outright denial.

-Shri Nisargadatta Maharaj-
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See yourself in all that lives (charity) and your behaviour will clear your vision. Once you realise that there is nothing in this world, which you can call your own, you look at it from the outside as you look at a play on the stage, or a picture on the screen, admiring and enjoying, but really unmoved. As long as you conceptualise yourself to be something tangible and solid, a thing among things, actually existing in time and space, short-lived and vulnerable, naturally you will be anxious to survive and increase(fear and desire). But when you know yourself as beyond space and time - in contact with all only at the point of here and now - you will be afraid no longer. Know yourself as you are - there is no other remedy against fear here and now. You have to learn to think and feel on these lines, or you will remain indefinitely on the personal level of desire and fear, gaining and losing, growing and decaying. A personal problem cannot be solved on its own level. The very desire to live is the messenger of death, as the longing to be happy is the outline of sorrow. Personal world is an ocean of pain and fear, of anxiety and despair. A man of low intelligence believes, against all evidence, that he is an exception and that the world owes him happiness. But the world cannot give what it does not have; unreal to the core, it is of no use for real happiness. We seek the real because we are unhappy with the unreal. Happiness is our real nature and we shall never rest until we find it. But rarely we know where to seek it. Once you have understood that the world is but a mistaken view of reality, and is not what it appears to be, you are free of its obsessions. Only what is compatible with your real being can make you happy and the world, as you perceive it, is its outright denial.

-Shri Nisargadatta Maharaj-
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When the shadow is seen to be a shadow only, you stop following it. You turn round and discover the sun which was there all the time - behind your back! Similar, that what is being sought is the seeker himself. It is the seeker that is being sought. There is no goal, nor a way to reach it. You are the way and the goal.
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Each has his own way to reality, and that there can be no general rule. But, for all the gateway to reality, by whatever road one arrives to it, is the sense of ‘I am’ (Christ: [link to biblehub.com]

Life goes on, but it is spontaneous and free, meaningful and happy. It is through grasping the full import of the ‘I am’, and going beyond it to its source, that one can realise the supreme state, which is also the primordial and the ultimate. The difference between the beginning and the end lies only in the mind. When the mind is dark or turbulent, the source is not perceived. When it is clear and luminous, it becomes a faithful reflection of the source. The source is always the same (always there) - beyond darkness and light, beyond life and death, beyond the conscious and the unconscious. This dwelling on beingness, mere being aware is the simple, easy and natural Yoga. There is no secrecy in it and no dependence; no preparation is required and no initiation. Whoever is puzzled by his very existence as a conscious being and earnestly wants to find his own source.

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Good stuff.
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Good stuff.
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Indeed. I wish more would have the eyes to see ...

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what is this "I" ?
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what is this "I" ?
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The sense of your identity that stays no matter how many others leave.
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See yourself in all that lives (charity) and your behaviour will clear your vision. Once you realise that there is nothing in this world, which you can call your own, you look at it from the outside as you look at a play on the stage, or a picture on the screen, admiring and enjoying, but really unmoved. As long as you conceptualise yourself to be something tangible and solid, a thing among things, actually existing in time and space, short-lived and vulnerable, naturally you will be anxious to survive and increase(fear and desire). But when you know yourself as beyond space and time - in contact with all only at the point of here and now - you will be afraid no longer. Know yourself as you are - there is no other remedy against fear here and now. You have to learn to think and feel on these lines, or you will remain indefinitely on the personal level of desire and fear, gaining and losing, growing and decaying. A personal problem cannot be solved on its own level. The very desire to live is the messenger of death, as the longing to be happy is the outline of sorrow. Personal world is an ocean of pain and fear, of anxiety and despair. A man of low intelligence believes, against all evidence, that he is an exception and that the world owes him happiness. But the world cannot give what it does not have; unreal to the core, it is of no use for real happiness. We seek the real because we are unhappy with the unreal. Happiness is our real nature and we shall never rest until we find it. But rarely we know where to seek it. Once you have understood that the world is but a mistaken view of reality, and is not what it appears to be, you are free of its obsessions. Only what is compatible with your real being can make you happy and the world, as you perceive it, is its outright denial.

-Shri Nisargadatta Maharaj-
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The only desire I have is to provide for my family like a man should but then I am only 3 years old and would like to enjoy my youth too exploring nature instead of learning bullshit ye know?
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Self-realization is not the answer.
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Self-realization is not the answer.
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You are not even at the beginning of the journey find out.
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See yourself in all that lives (charity) and your behaviour will clear your vision. Once you realise that there is nothing in this world, which you can call your own, you look at it from the outside as you look at a play on the stage, or a picture on the screen, admiring and enjoying, but really unmoved. As long as you conceptualise yourself to be something tangible and solid, a thing among things, actually existing in time and space, short-lived and vulnerable, naturally you will be anxious to survive and increase(fear and desire). But when you know yourself as beyond space and time - in contact with all only at the point of here and now - you will be afraid no longer. Know yourself as you are - there is no other remedy against fear here and now. You have to learn to think and feel on these lines, or you will remain indefinitely on the personal level of desire and fear, gaining and losing, growing and decaying. A personal problem cannot be solved on its own level. The very desire to live is the messenger of death, as the longing to be happy is the outline of sorrow. Personal world is an ocean of pain and fear, of anxiety and despair. A man of low intelligence believes, against all evidence, that he is an exception and that the world owes him happiness. But the world cannot give what it does not have; unreal to the core, it is of no use for real happiness. We seek the real because we are unhappy with the unreal. Happiness is our real nature and we shall never rest until we find it. But rarely we know where to seek it. Once you have understood that the world is but a mistaken view of reality, and is not what it appears to be, you are free of its obsessions. Only what is compatible with your real being can make you happy and the world, as you perceive it, is its outright denial.

-Shri Nisargadatta Maharaj-
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The only desire I have is to provide for my family like a man should but then I am only 3 years old and would like to enjoy my youth too exploring nature instead of learning bullshit ye know?
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Enjoy the animal instincts.
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Self-realization is not the answer.
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You are not even at the beginning of the journey find out.
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I did. All it did was expose the demons that are at every turn. No thanks.
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Self-realization is not the answer.
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You are not even at the beginning of the journey find out.
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I did. All it did was expose the demons that are at every turn. No thanks.
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That is part of the process.. Understanding how to defeat them so you can move to the next level is the key.
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Self-realization is not the answer.
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You are not even at the beginning of the journey find out.
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I did. All it did was expose the demons that are at every turn. No thanks.
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May be b/c you are heeded to Hell?
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Ever see a baby realize that it has hands and feet?

All our lives we realize who we are. I think some new age crazies come up with all kinds of silly things, and call it "self-realization."

If you want to know what actual self realization is, it's realizing who you really are in the sight of God.

It won't bring warm fuzzies and rainbows. And it won't be like you're barefoot in a field full of lavender flowers.

It shakes up everything you thought you knew.
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Q: Is the ‘I am’ the Ultimate?
M: Before you can say: ‘I am’, you must be there to say it. The real being need not be self-conscious. You need not know to be, but you must be to know.
“I am“ can only tell you what you are not. Hence there is no point in searching for the absolute truth through the medium of intellect. Indeed, you will realize that the very effort of searching is an obstruction, because the instrument with which you are searching is the divided mind.
-Shri Nisargadatta Maharaj-
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See yourself in all that lives (charity) and your behaviour will clear your vision. Once you realise that there is nothing in this world, which you can call your own, you look at it from the outside as you look at a play on the stage, or a picture on the screen, admiring and enjoying, but really unmoved. As long as you conceptualise yourself to be something tangible and solid, a thing among things, actually existing in time and space, short-lived and vulnerable, naturally you will be anxious to survive and increase(fear and desire). But when you know yourself as beyond space and time - in contact with all only at the point of here and now - you will be afraid no longer. Know yourself as you are - there is no other remedy against fear here and now. You have to learn to think and feel on these lines, or you will remain indefinitely on the personal level of desire and fear, gaining and losing, growing and decaying. A personal problem cannot be solved on its own level. The very desire to live is the messenger of death, as the longing to be happy is the outline of sorrow. Personal world is an ocean of pain and fear, of anxiety and despair. A man of low intelligence believes, against all evidence, that he is an exception and that the world owes him happiness. But the world cannot give what it does not have; unreal to the core, it is of no use for real happiness. We seek the real because we are unhappy with the unreal. Happiness is our real nature and we shall never rest until we find it. But rarely we know where to seek it. Once you have understood that the world is but a mistaken view of reality, and is not what it appears to be, you are free of its obsessions. Only what is compatible with your real being can make you happy and the world, as you perceive it, is its outright denial.

-Shri Nisargadatta Maharaj-
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True,

but almost everyone thinks they are exempt, courtesy of the Narcissus

I have fought the Narcissus. It is a handful of fury and nothing. Everyone thinks they are special.
This is the problem.

problems are not "special"
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See yourself in all that lives (charity) and your behaviour will clear your vision. Once you realise that there is nothing in this world, which you can call your own, you look at it from the outside as you look at a play on the stage, or a picture on the screen, admiring and enjoying, but really unmoved. As long as you conceptualise yourself to be something tangible and solid, a thing among things, actually existing in time and space, short-lived and vulnerable, naturally you will be anxious to survive and increase(fear and desire). But when you know yourself as beyond space and time - in contact with all only at the point of here and now - you will be afraid no longer. Know yourself as you are - there is no other remedy against fear here and now. You have to learn to think and feel on these lines, or you will remain indefinitely on the personal level of desire and fear, gaining and losing, growing and decaying. A personal problem cannot be solved on its own level. The very desire to live is the messenger of death, as the longing to be happy is the outline of sorrow. Personal world is an ocean of pain and fear, of anxiety and despair. A man of low intelligence believes, against all evidence, that he is an exception and that the world owes him happiness. But the world cannot give what it does not have; unreal to the core, it is of no use for real happiness. We seek the real because we are unhappy with the unreal. Happiness is our real nature and we shall never rest until we find it. But rarely we know where to seek it. Once you have understood that the world is but a mistaken view of reality, and is not what it appears to be, you are free of its obsessions. Only what is compatible with your real being can make you happy and the world, as you perceive it, is its outright denial.

-Shri Nisargadatta Maharaj-
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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76087321


True,

but almost everyone thinks they are exempt, courtesy of the Narcissus

I have fought the Narcissus. It is a handful of fury and nothing. Everyone thinks they are special.
This is the problem.

problems are not "special"
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Narcissists suck w/o doubt.

But there is really something special about every one alive. It is the Consciousness. All else just appears (within it), consciousness actually is.

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Self Realization: The moment you realize you're all by your self!
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Self-realization is not the answer.
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You are not even at the beginning of the journey find out.
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I did. All it did was expose the demons that are at every turn. No thanks.
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Sad that they don't listen, when you try to tell them what they actually don't know.

I think most newagers are disillusion. They've imagined this crazy place where cartoon characters are spinning around in rainbows.


The truth is FAR FAR FAR from that. Remember that a couple of people tried to tell you so.

Turn to Jesus. That's where the truth is.
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Self-realization is not the answer.
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You are not even at the beginning of the journey find out.
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I did. All it did was expose the demons that are at every turn. No thanks.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75211114


Sad that they don't listen, when you try to tell them what they actually don't know.

I think most newagers are disillusion. They've imagined this crazy place where cartoon characters are spinning around in rainbows.


The truth is FAR FAR FAR from that. Remember that a couple of people tried to tell you so.

Turn to Jesus. That's where the truth is.
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Jesus was teaching the I-AM way to God. The Christ-tards just have missed out on the important part. What do you think the I AM means? It is the Consciousness !

Whoever is puzzled by his very existence as a conscious being and earnestly wants to find his own source.
-Shri Nisargadatta Maharaj-
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Self realization is a very important thing!
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Self realization is a very important thing!
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Yes, but I am not speaking about some EGO. I mean the Source of all potential egos, the source of all conscious beings in the universe ...
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The discussions held and teachings given would have been the same ten thousand years ago and will be the same ten thousand years hence. There will always be conscious beings wondering about the fact of their being conscious and into its cause and aim. The human problem does not change - the problem of suffering and the ending of suffering. And it is crucial to know the answers, for without a full understanding of oneself, both in time and in timelessness, life is but a dream, imposed on us by powers we do not know, for purposes we cannot grasp.
-Shri Nisargadatta Maharaj-
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True knowledge of yourself is the only solution to your problem. With that knowledge, your hopes, desires, and cravings will vanish; with that, anger and hatred will also go. When you see yourself as formless, all your problems will lose their resting place.

-Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj
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Q: In sleep there is neither the known, nor the knower. What keeps the body sensitive and receptive?

M: Surely you cannot say (in sleep) the knower was absent. The experience of things and thoughts was not there, that is all. But the absence of experience too is experience (empty mind). It is like entering a dark room and saying: 'I see nothing'. A man blind from birth knows not what darkness means. Similarly, only (witness) knows that knower does not know (absence of experience). Sleep is merely a lapse in memory. Life goes on. It is the mind that is dull (deep sleep) or restless (dream), not you (witness).

-Shri Nisargadatta Maharaj-
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Sounds like:

"Achieving empathy towards others, via extreme narcissism".

Makes sense given the genetic stock such philosophy comes from.
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Sounds like:

"Achieving empathy towards others, via extreme narcissism".

Makes sense given the genetic stock such philosophy comes from.
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You are merely projecting, telling much about yourself, not the philosophy.
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Infinite Bliss is the Self.





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