Self-realization

I think it's fine seeing it in context. Ramana and others refer to consciousness generally as the ultimate ground of being which is always present. Nisargadatta does not, but they mean the same thing with different terms.

I am sure the Indians understand each other, it is the westerners who get confused in the process of the translation.

A: You wont find God in any other place than within yourself.

B: You are delusional! Which demon convinced you of such nonsense?

A: Where did you find God, share the place with us.

B: You don’t find God, God finds you. Do you think you created the universe and it’s order?

A: Well, you said it yourself. You meet God within.

B: I did not. You New Age Eastern whatevers love your word games, but you need to get better at it.

A: Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with that person, and they with me.
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B: It’s cute to take a few lines out of context, but the Bible doesn’t support your New Age bs.

A: So back to my question: Where do you meet with God ?

"...for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you."

Luke 17:21

... and not in buildings/mansions of wood and stone.
(Gospel of Thomas)

"No consciousness means no world."

Meaning, no movement of thought in consciousness upon which the world appearance arises.

It is interesting how an empowered symbol, which is a form of thought, can be identical, for practical purposes, to that natural state beyond thought.

This is why is is not wrong or ineffective to follow a path of form, like a deity and so on, energy properly directed to the absolute.

Duality never leads to Non-duality, the Absolute.

Concentrate on the comings and goings of consciousness, not on its content.

Except for the exceptions :), like a divine name ripened for that purpose. In its form is the absolute. It can bring identically the (non)state attained in self-enquiry described by the Advaitans. Form is emptiness, emptiness is form. Love and grace can do it as well.

Any form being the Absolute is one big oxymoron. The ultimate reality is formless.

Form is a projection of it, part of it. Gods and associated teachings in form are powerful liberators. Why? Because the energy is one with the absolute. Shakti and Shiva.

M: They appear to be two, but on investigation they are found to be one. Duality lasts only as long as it is not questioned.
Q: On what side is the witness? Is it real or unreal? It partakes of both the real and the unreal and is therefore a bridge between the two. There is the bridge serves one purpose only - to cross over. You don't build houses on a bridge.
Q: But how is one to cross over from a verbal statement to direct knowledge? Hearing is not knowing.
M: Before you can know anything directly, non-verbally (awareness), you must know the knower.
- Shri Nisargadatta Maharaj -
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*typo, srry

Even his instruction is an instrument of form, though it manifests realization of the absolute. If there is nothing but the absolute, form cannot preclude it, nor can it be anything else.

Like the lyrics of a song…


" What if god where one of us, just a sob like one of us trying to make his way Home":

The question is,…do you think that one guy in 7+ billion is trying to do this??

There is a hierarchy in forms, the more formless the closer to the Source of all forms.

I think everybody trying their hardest to be happy, just the wrong ways. Wisdom is needed.

The stillness is the most dynamic. Is that odd? The silence, a doorway.

You mean the trying to stay still is the most dynamic?

I mean being in that potentiality.

Asceticism is great until you; get sick or injured or pop a perma-hard. Then it's back in your body time!

I've studied Zen Buddhism but someone always throws a rock in your pond. Waves come and go but meanwhile you may have drowned. There is a further dual state of awareness to seek.

My ideal is strong of mind and body, perceptive and thoughtful, constantly striving to improve and acquire new skills. Live fully in the physical while maintaining an emotional state of contentment regardless of circumstance. They can break your body but not your mind or spirit. We dance in 2 worlds at once.

Last Edited by FlashBuzzkill on 12/26/2019 07:52 PM

But this self-realization goes beyond the body-mind complex. I advise you to read the whole thread what is meant by the saying.

... remaining on the surface only; to go deeper meditation is essential, the striving to go beyond states of sleep, dream and waking.

Without you as the witness there would be nothing (present). You are both, the essence (depth) and the surface of all there is (present).

Watch what comes to the surface. Reject the known, welcome the so far unknown and reject it in its turn. Thus you come to a state in which there is no knowledge, only being.

It is not your real being that is restless, but its reflection in the mind.
Our minds are just waves on the ocean (surface) of consciousness.

Stop misusing your mind by anticipation and by memory = give up concern with the future, concern with the past, and live entirely in the now. Anticipation makes you insecure, memory makes you unhappy.


Shri Nisargadatta Maharaj (edited)

Now your talking, god does not make it hard to know truth,
it really is this simple.

enjoy the whole thread, it is full of similar pearls ... for the open-minded.

Consciousness comes and goes. Are you conscious the whole day?
This self-realization goes beyond the body-mind complex.
There are no beliefs beyond consciousness.
This thread is about reaching outside the consciousness, beyond the I AM.
Not even inside yourselves ... the Source of all selves is right BEHIND your self.

Satanic doctrine.

Everything appears satanic to the satanist

Self-realization is the answer. Nobody can realize their true potential without realizing and acknowledging what they can be capable of should they choose.

Are you sure that you might not be mistaking foolish arrogance for self-realization?

Actually it’s the blind that cannot see the cliff they are being led over.