Homeowner shoots and wounds intruder with shotgun loaded with bird shot. Intruder survives

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Good. Its the weapon of choice for victims of domestic violence.
In those situations where someone calls to say he is in your living room and coming up the stairs to hurt you bad it's the right thing to have in the bedroom, aimed at his face and chest.

Hope like hell hes not crouched to spring at your feet while you shoot harmlessly over him.

Lots of horror movies have scenes where the birdgun would be a great thing.

Any situation where you have to hole up and hide with someone you know you want to kill breaking down the door would be helped by a birdgun.

You can shoot birds with them too.

I don't think you can shoot strangers with them.

I don't think you can effectively address a stranger with a gun that is only able to stop him six feet from you.

Your timing has to be pretty good. Let's say he sees the gun and runs toward you. Shoot him too far back and he's got to kill you. Self preservation says so. Wait too long and he's airborne--and on you.

He can jump on you from six feet--and if he sees a gun he has to. You can blast but there's a good chance you will be grappling and if he's stung he will be feeling no pain and very very mad at you.

It will register in his brain that you aimed a gun and shot at him LONG before it registers that he's fine and you are a pulpy mess gurgling in a puddle.

I guess if you saw on your home security that a man in a mask with an empty knapsack and a knife in his belt was coming through your garage you could shoot him.

I'm just thinking, you hear someone in the hall outside your room, just happen to have your gun with you...

The door opens...

If you know you will shoot this intruder even if it's a little old lady, a child, a dog, your pregnant neighbor, you are good to go.

Otherwise, it will take you longer to identify the person and size up their state than it will take them to be on you beating your head with the butt of your gun.

Most homeowners [but especially apartment dwellers] load their shotties with bird because it won't penetrate through walls and accidentally kill their neighbors. And, you CAN shred somebody with birdshot if they're within a decent range... I'd say it's closer to about 6-8' depending upon what they are wearing... but importantly how FAT they are! Human body fat absorbs ALOT of the intial impact just like the cushioning it really is. That's why it takes a 30-30 -and sometimes multiple shots- to bring down really BIG game!

BTW: I live in a townhouse, and while my Mossberg 500 is normally loaded with birdshot, the sidesaddle also has both buck and slug loads. Just in case!

I double dog dare you to watch this entire video



So your plan is to nicely ask the person to leave?

I double dog dare you to watch this entire video



So your plan is to nicely ask the person to leave?

At 6'-8' anyone you could "shred" with birdshot is going to take three steps forward and take it away from you. He could knock you out with a baseball bat.

I'm trying not to sound nasty but I'm angry.

Some people have training and instinct to jump a gun. They will be on you with all they've got and beat you to a pulp, with your birdshot that doesn't penetrate drywall and kill the neighbors.

If you are very timid and frail and are bothered by naked rapists slipping in your bedroom window at night I guess this is a good idea. You can shred the bad guy without damaging your leather upholstery. Otherwise, it's unnecessary provocation and escalation of threat.

At 6'-8' anyone you could "shred" with birdshot is going to take three steps forward and take it away from you. He could knock you out with a baseball bat.

I'm trying not to sound nasty but I'm angry.

Some people have training and instinct to jump a gun. They will be on you with all they've got and beat you to a pulp, with your birdshot that doesn't penetrate drywall and kill the neighbors.

If you are very timid and frail and are bothered by naked rapists slipping in your bedroom window at night I guess this is a good idea. You can shred the bad guy without damaging your leather upholstery. Otherwise, it's unnecessary provocation and escalation of threat.

What was the warning shot for? I you come into a house and the owner is holding a weapon to defend his or her home, isn’t that alarming enough and a sign to GTFO?

At 7 ft 20 gauge birdshot will blow an inch and a half hole through a 1 inch thick plank with a modified choke. The shot column does not have time to spread.
And,of course, you can butt stroke them if they do not go down, or a sharp jab to the gut with the muzzle.

Well, you're WRONG: you come across as being very Angry AND nasty! Every situation is different and everyone reacts differently in even identical scenarios, but have it your way, Honey! In addition to a sidesaddle, my 12ga is also fitted with a 19" barrel and a pistol grip... so, if I ever DO have to use it, I won't be fucking around. And, you're full of shit thinking that anyone under 200# won't be stopped in their tracks when hit with a load of birdshot in the considerable kill zone such a close target presents.

My dad got shot with birdshot. He was twelve and skinny dipping with the sheriffs daughter.

He had to pick it out but some pieces stayed in his elbow. When my sister (same name as the sheriffs daughter) turned twelve, dad grew a golf ball sized lump on his elbow. It was the birdshot working its way out.

Its funny how the mind-body and memory work.

I feel kind of sorry for the man who got shot. I bet he needed gas to go to work. He was robbing the gas cans.

Sympathy for the devil?

I am angry because people are foolishly discussing weapon choices that accelerate and escalate violence.

I am VERY angry at whatever retard is selling apartment owners shotguns to use as clubs and batons, or brandish at people.

I'm angry about naive people being endangered by gunstore salesmen.

I shouldn't be nasty but I live in gunland. We have some very sweet but not very smart people here. I see the kinds of people who are likely to get shot idle beat to death diddling with a gun of very limited use.

Birdshot is a good choice for a mother with her children in the room as a second line defense of someone gets through Dad downstairs. But why is a woman with children living like this?

It's a good choice for a single woman living in an apartment in a bad neighborhood with a serial killer on the prowl.

It's good if you are in the pantry and Jack is breaking through with an ax.

It's a good choice for anyone in a closed populated space with a KNOWN attacked with KNOWN intentions.

I don't know why I bother. It's a survival of the fittest situation but ai really hate to think of innocent people lured by gun salesmen into strategies that i could MAKE someone have to STOP THEM.

Holding a gun in your hands cries USE LETHAL FORCE HERE


Same old thread--someone's going to use a gun to deter attack but holding a gun DRAWS DEFENSIVE ATTACK

Then they are going to use it to put down good dogs, scare off bad ones, signal for distress, light fires by shooting stones, aerate the compost and pound in tent stakes.

I feel innocent and naive people are taken advantage of and endangered too. It makes me mad.

Ok Mama, my guess is you know jackshit about real world self defense situations which involve all different types of combat. Let me give you my background, former US Marine, Combat Vet, H2H istr, CCI, 38 yrs martial arts trainings in various systems. I studied under one of the instructors who helped institute MCMAP Program in the Marines ( AJ Advincula, received first Blk Belt Emeritus the Marine Corps gave for the program)
I was the first person in Louisiana to study and train with Krav Maga Worldwide and the Israeli Krav Maga Federation 20 yrs ago and go through there instructor program to bring it here to La. This was well before the watered down version that is being taught on the civilian market now.
I posted what I did because it works for me, as for as anyone saying birdshot is not good for SD then they have not had to use it it close quarters and seen the outcome. Yeah if your 20 or 30 yrds away, then your pickin B.B., our your ass. 10ft or less with a 12ga and your most likely dead with one shot. To give you a visual , headshot, half of headface missing. So , believe what you want, listen to whatever you tubers ( I didn’t watch your vid) you want to. My experience comes from real world training , experience, situations and those that have been in it many times . You can never ever be too prepared or too armed or think you know too much. So don’t knock birdshot when you don’t know what the f’k your talking about.

Chip, all I was saying is that it would be foolish for someone like me to think I could ever use birdshot against someone like you. I don't want my kind to get hurt by overconfidence or overreliance.

I mean, let's say we met in some bardo and I had a great birdgun, and you had nothing. Just your training and experience. And we engaged. Outnone hundred simultaneous occurances, how many would I win?would I win!

Dang lady don't be a chicken shit. Shoot fast.

My grandma would win the fight. She shoots very well.

With socks on her hands too.

Chip, all I was saying is that it would be foolish for someone like me to think I could ever use birdshot against someone like you. I don't want my kind to get hurt by overconfidence or overreliance.

I mean, let's say we met in some bardo and I had a great birdgun, and you had nothing. Just your training and experience. And we engaged. Outnone hundred simultaneous occurances, how many would I win?would I win!