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Gospel of Salvation vs Tribulation Gospel

 
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There's only one Gospel, the everlasting gospel.

Isaiah 28:16
Therefore thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I am laying in Zion a stone, a tested stone, A costly cornerstone for the foundation, firmly placed. He who believes in it will not be disturbed.

John 3:16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

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Proverbs 2:3-4;2:10-11;1:23
For if thou inwardly callest (to) wisdom, and bowest thine heart to(ward) prudence; if thou seekest it as money, and diggest it out as treasures; When wisdom entereth into thine heart, and knowledge delighteth thy soul, Then shall counsel preserve thee, and understanding shall keep thee, (Turn you at my correction: lo, I will pour out my mind unto you, and make you understand my words.)

2 Esdras 14:25;8:52
I shall light a candle of understanding in thine heart, which shall not be put out. Unto you is paradise opened.
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When I push my own slant on the book I tend to use something as a reference and allow the reader to make up his own mind if I have it in the right context or not.

Which of the 2 choices supports universal salvation in that when the new earth starts, such as in Isa:65, the ones under punishment are the ones alive and building their homes outside of the walls of New Jerusalem. When I add in all the other references, such as Hebrews:12, the case for all of Adam and Eve's children are alive for the start of the perfected version of this earth. The case for that uses only Ge:1-3 (the beginning of this earth and who created it) and Re:20-22 (the end of this earth and what comes after and who is controlling the 'strings')
It get's better, as the living water comes out of New Jerusalem it water the land like the Ge:2 version of creation only Eve and all of their children are part of the perfected version of creation. God killed the first of 'the other flesh; and Jesus is the ones who takes away the breath of life of the last ones before the fire that sends fallen angels to the lake can destroy them.
A name in the book of life is entered at conception, the GWT event is for mankind as they know about good and evil and they are immortal.
In the new earth the ones outside the City will be eternal beings like Adam and Eve were so they need food to stay alive, they are made immortal at the age of 120 and they cannot die by any means after that. The other flesh that Adam was given dominion over will all return and that is hoiw the nations will start off with a flourish and then settle down to a rate we are familiar with.
Other flesh will be able to talk to god like Adam could but they do not know about good and evil so the pastures that mankind builds for them is how they stay alive for eternity. Men can travel between the starts and not die because they do not need food to stay alive.
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When I push my own slant on the book I tend to use something as a reference and allow the reader to make up his own mind if I have it in the right context or not.

Which of the 2 choices supports universal salvation in that when the new earth starts, such as in Isa:65, the ones under punishment are the ones alive and building their homes outside of the walls of New Jerusalem. When I add in all the other references, such as Hebrews:12, the case for all of Adam and Eve's children are alive for the start of the perfected version of this earth. The case for that uses only Ge:1-3 (the beginning of this earth and who created it) and Re:20-22 (the end of this earth and what comes after and who is controlling the 'strings')
It get's better, as the living water comes out of New Jerusalem it water the land like the Ge:2 version of creation only Eve and all of their children are part of the perfected version of creation. God killed the first of 'the other flesh; and Jesus is the ones who takes away the breath of life of the last ones before the fire that sends fallen angels to the lake can destroy them.
A name in the book of life is entered at conception, the GWT event is for mankind as they know about good and evil and they are immortal.
In the new earth the ones outside the City will be eternal beings like Adam and Eve were so they need food to stay alive, they are made immortal at the age of 120 and they cannot die by any means after that. The other flesh that Adam was given dominion over will all return and that is hoiw the nations will start off with a flourish and then settle down to a rate we are familiar with.
Other flesh will be able to talk to god like Adam could but they do not know about good and evil so the pastures that mankind builds for them is how they stay alive for eternity. Men can travel between the starts and not die because they do not need food to stay alive.
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Thanks for the input. I do not believe I am pushing any slant on the Bible. I believe Jesus died for a reason, and there is not universal salvation for everybody, because not everybody accepts what Jesus did for them (die for their sins).

Through Paul it was revealed that the gentiles could be saved by trusting in the blood of Christ for our sins. Romans 3:25

By trusting in what Christ did, we could then receive the atonement. Romans 5:11

This was a different message than believing in the name of Jesus Christ, believing that He was the Messiah. God deals with Israel and the Gentiles differently, according to His divine purposes. Why is that? If you want my personal opinion on that then I can give you my 'slant'.

God bless
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There's only one Gospel, the everlasting gospel.
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I agree with that concept, it is in the finer details of how that comes about that we start getting spin-offs. As mentioned already I tend to support 6 chapters being enough for a summation of where we came from, where we are, and where we are headed.
The rest of the book deals only with setting things up for the completion of the two bruises in Ge:3:15. Once the prophecies are sorted into those two events you get a good outline of what the 'big picture' is.

We don't even have to 'think like an Egyptian' to understand what the text is saying if it was written for us in the 1st place. Re:12 is an expansion on Ge:3:15 so that connection supports that concept. The cross was the bruise to the heel so verification is not guesswork. Getting the right reference will take some time but they all fit if you have it right

The '1/4 of the earth' in the seals prophecy and the 'all the nations on the earth' actually works because a person from today knows 3/4 of the earth is not considered to be part of the 'inhabitable parts'. If an intentional connection was intended they 1700 is about when a modern globe made it into the classrooms. Jer:25 covers the setting up and the execution of the judgment of the nations on the day the 7th trump sounds so both are referencing the same time-frame as they are both associated with the 3 1/2 years that have to be fulfilled before the return can happen.

One more point is revelations was not written until only 1 person from the original group remained alive so the message it contained was not meant for them. They died being just as confused as Daniel was when his book was finished.
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There's only one Gospel, the everlasting gospel.
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I agree with that concept, it is in the finer details of how that comes about that we start getting spin-offs. As mentioned already I tend to support 6 chapters being enough for a summation of where we came from, where we are, and where we are headed.
The rest of the book deals only with setting things up for the completion of the two bruises in Ge:3:15. Once the prophecies are sorted into those two events you get a good outline of what the 'big picture' is.

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Genesis 49:10-12,18,24 (GNV)
10 The Sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a Lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come, and the people shall be gathered unto him.

11 He shall bind his Ass foal unto the vine, and his ass’s colt unto the best vine. He shall wash his garment in wine, and his cloak in the blood of grapes.

12 His eyes shall be red with wine, and his teeth white with milk.

18 O Lord, I have waited for thy salvation.

24 But his bow abode strong, and the hands of his arms were strengthened, by the hands of the mighty God of Jacob, of whom was the feeder appointed by the stone of Israel,

Proverbs 2:3-4;2:10-11;1:23
For if thou inwardly callest (to) wisdom, and bowest thine heart to(ward) prudence; if thou seekest it as money, and diggest it out as treasures; When wisdom entereth into thine heart, and knowledge delighteth thy soul, Then shall counsel preserve thee, and understanding shall keep thee, (Turn you at my correction: lo, I will pour out my mind unto you, and make you understand my words.)

2 Esdras 14:25;8:52
I shall light a candle of understanding in thine heart, which shall not be put out. Unto you is paradise opened.
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Thanks for the input. I do not believe I am pushing any slant on the Bible. I believe Jesus died for a reason, and there is not universal salvation for everybody, because not everybody accepts what Jesus did for them (die for their sins).
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I tend to say that in support of my having checked out the various doctrines on any certain subject and have settled for 1 version being more likely the right one, clearly is often something involved when you also read the same reference material I have.

Through Paul it was revealed that the gentiles could be saved by trusting in the blood of Christ for our sins. Romans 3:25
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Rome didn't accept Jesus until 325AD. Roman:13 gave the Leaders of Rome the authority to use the sword (military) against evil people. In exchange a Christian (Jewish or Gentile) would act a certain way. Taking Rome under His wing so early was so a few lines in the Da:8 'little horn' verses and a few from the Da:9 70 weeks prophecy could be played out when Rome was acting with as much authority from god as Neb had when he took the Jews into exile in his version of Babylon.

The doubting Thomas story put it as we believe He died and was resurrected from the grave without seeing it for our own eyes. All the 'proof' God left is in a rather large book

By trusting in what Christ did, we could then receive the atonement. Romans 5:11
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I'm pretty sure my full argument about about the 'prophecy being fulfilled' in Da:9 and when He says, 'It is finished.' is that they are both referencing the bruise to the heel from Ge:3:15. God was pleased about sending Him there in Isa:53 because it was the completion of 1/2 of the Ge:3"15 determination. When He says, 'It is done'' as He pours out the 7th vial is followed by the Re:20:4 resurrections that include the 12 Tribes and a few going all the way back to Adam and Eve as well as the NT Church where Acts:10 was 3 1/2 years after the cross and the ones Peter talked to would have been the first Gentile members of the Church. The only dispute Paul and Peter had after being together for 2 weeks was which James was more important, the Apostle or the blood brother. Paul taught fellow Jews and the Apostles stayed in Jerusalem teaching the same message as well as fulfilling Luke:21:12-24

This was a different message than believing in the name of Jesus Christ, believing that He was the Messiah. God deals with Israel and the Gentiles differently, according to His divine purposes. Why is that? If you want my personal opinion on that then I can give you my 'slant'.
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I would love to read it. This is sort of where I am at the moment so if those points are covered that would be a good place to start. I'm all for getting the most accurate picture possible

My version has the two witnesses being resurrected and 1 hour later the 7th trump sounds and that allows the 7 vials to begin to be poured out and a few hours later all sinners on the globe are dead. (Zec:13 has the ratio at 1/3 survive and 2/3 die so that would qualify as the Gentile Church. They would be joined by resurrected people and together they would walk to Jerusalem so they enter from the east and drink the Eze:47 living water and eat from the tree of life before they enter Jerusalem.
The 12 Tribes would see Jesus bring the 144,000 to the mountain top where Moses and Elias were seen in vision form. They will watch the 7 vials being poured out on Satan's Babylon and then a new temple is build and then all the Eze:37 resurrections are completed by 6PM of that same day. Over the next 10 days they also go to the same river and same tree of life and are in Jerusalem before the Gentiles start to show up for the yearly feast of the tabernacles. 1,000 feasts later Satan and the remaining fallen angels are released

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John the Baptist and Jesus preached the Gospel of the Kingdom, as seen in MK 1:14-15, LK 4:43, etc. They repeated that the Kingdom of Heaven was at hand. This was the physical kingdom revealed to John the Apostle as the 1000 year reign, a physical reign.

John the Baptist and Jesus were telling Israel that their Christ, Messiah, King was at hand. True spiritual Israel already knew they needed a sinless substitutional sacrifice for their sins, per their practice for thousands of years. But they had to trust in the true sacrifice, and believe in His name like Peter confessed in MT 16:16:

Acts 3:16 And his name through faith in his name hath made this man strong, whom ye see and know: yea, the faith which is by him hath given him this perfect soundness in the presence of you all.

Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.



For we gentiles now, who are not used to thousands of years of sacrifice for remission of sins, Paul revealed to us that we must trust in Jesus' sacrificial atonement for our sins, by the shedding of His blood. Romans 3:25

We Gentiles today are not saved by what Israel had to believe in the four gospels and early Acts. We today are saved by trusting in His blood for our sins. Blessings to all

1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Romans 3:25
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Yes they were saved that way there is no other way to be saved. Can you show me anyone not saved by faith through the blood of Christ. Even Abraham is saved this way. There is only one gospel. The law does not save. Once we are saved and are given the Holy Sprit only then can we follow all God's law.
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You are conflating the two different ways again

Israel was told to believe on the NAME of Jesus, which is Christ, Messiah. They were not given the gospel of faith in the blood atonement per Romans 3:25, because Jesus had not died yet.

Two different ways for two different people.
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The disciples were told it was going to happen. Abraham and other prophets may or may not have been told by God. Just the same they had faith God would save them.

Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

How he saved them is through the blood of Christ. There is no other way that is made known.
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The disciples were not saved by believing in His blood atonement for their sins, they were already saved by believing he was the Christ. In fact some did not immediately believe He rose from the dead, see what Thomas said.

Israel was to believe in the name of Jesus, Christ the anointed one, their Messiah. Je = Jehovah; Sus = saves

Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Jesus was not talking about faith in His blood to Israel, that was the revelation He gave to Paul to give to the gentiles.

Different gospels for Israel and the Gentiles.
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Why do you not believe anyone but Paul? Your bias appears to be Paul only.

Luke 24:45-47 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem

All the nations include the Gentiles. The Death, Burial and Resurrection was known by the Apostles before Paul.
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You are conflating the two different ways again

Israel was told to believe on the NAME of Jesus, which is Christ, Messiah. They were not given the gospel of faith in the blood atonement per Romans 3:25, because Jesus had not died yet.

Two different ways for two different people.
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The disciples were told it was going to happen. Abraham and other prophets may or may not have been told by God. Just the same they had faith God would save them.

Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

How he saved them is through the blood of Christ. There is no other way that is made known.
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The disciples were not saved by believing in His blood atonement for their sins, they were already saved by believing he was the Christ. In fact some did not immediately believe He rose from the dead, see what Thomas said.

Israel was to believe in the name of Jesus, Christ the anointed one, their Messiah. Je = Jehovah; Sus = saves

Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Jesus was not talking about faith in His blood to Israel, that was the revelation He gave to Paul to give to the gentiles.

Different gospels for Israel and the Gentiles.
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Why do you not believe anyone but Paul? Your bias appears to be Paul only.

Luke 24:45-47 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem

All the nations include the Gentiles. The Death, Burial and Resurrection was known by the Apostles before Paul.
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I believe in the King James Bible as the word of truth, I do not regard any scripture as unprofitable.

That being said, we must rightly divide this word of truth. Not everything applies to everybody at all times.

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The disciples were told it was going to happen. Abraham and other prophets may or may not have been told by God. Just the same they had faith God would save them.

Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

How he saved them is through the blood of Christ. There is no other way that is made known.
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The disciples were not saved by believing in His blood atonement for their sins, they were already saved by believing he was the Christ. In fact some did not immediately believe He rose from the dead, see what Thomas said.

Israel was to believe in the name of Jesus, Christ the anointed one, their Messiah. Je = Jehovah; Sus = saves

Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Jesus was not talking about faith in His blood to Israel, that was the revelation He gave to Paul to give to the gentiles.

Different gospels for Israel and the Gentiles.
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Why do you not believe anyone but Paul? Your bias appears to be Paul only.

Luke 24:45-47 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem

All the nations include the Gentiles. The Death, Burial and Resurrection was known by the Apostles before Paul.
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I believe in the King James Bible as the word of truth, I do not regard any scripture as unprofitable.

That being said, we must rightly divide this word of truth. Not everything applies to everybody at all times.
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If you divide Luke 24 anymore it will just be a bunch of jumbled words. The meaning in Luke 24 his pretty clear and it was to all the nations. Don't let your Paul only bias get in the way.
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The disciples were not saved by believing in His blood atonement for their sins, they were already saved by believing he was the Christ. In fact some did not immediately believe He rose from the dead, see what Thomas said.

Israel was to believe in the name of Jesus, Christ the anointed one, their Messiah. Je = Jehovah; Sus = saves

Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Jesus was not talking about faith in His blood to Israel, that was the revelation He gave to Paul to give to the gentiles.

Different gospels for Israel and the Gentiles.
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Why do you not believe anyone but Paul? Your bias appears to be Paul only.

Luke 24:45-47 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem

All the nations include the Gentiles. The Death, Burial and Resurrection was known by the Apostles before Paul.
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I believe in the King James Bible as the word of truth, I do not regard any scripture as unprofitable.

That being said, we must rightly divide this word of truth. Not everything applies to everybody at all times.
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If you divide Luke 24 anymore it will just be a bunch of jumbled words. The meaning in Luke 24 his pretty clear and it was to all the nations. Don't let your Paul only bias get in the way.
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Peter agreed, Paul was not a one-man mission. This passage was late in Peter's ministry.

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.



We are redeemed by the precious blood of Christ, nothing else. God bless
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Why do you not believe anyone but Paul? Your bias appears to be Paul only.

Luke 24:45-47 45 Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures, 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem

All the nations include the Gentiles. The Death, Burial and Resurrection was known by the Apostles before Paul.
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I believe in the King James Bible as the word of truth, I do not regard any scripture as unprofitable.

That being said, we must rightly divide this word of truth. Not everything applies to everybody at all times.
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If you divide Luke 24 anymore it will just be a bunch of jumbled words. The meaning in Luke 24 his pretty clear and it was to all the nations. Don't let your Paul only bias get in the way.
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Peter agreed, Paul was not a one-man mission. This passage was late in Peter's ministry.

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.



We are redeemed by the precious blood of Christ, nothing else. God bless
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Peter and Paul are both correct it is about the blood of christ. They both showed why we are saved through faith and blood but what you are failing to see that this was applicable at the time of his death in Luke 23 and 24. Even though Luke may have written this later, the apostles were already saved because of faith and the blood of Christ.

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John the Baptist and Jesus preached the Gospel of the Kingdom, as seen in MK 1:14-15, LK 4:43, etc. They repeated that the Kingdom of Heaven was at hand. This was the physical kingdom revealed to John the Apostle as the 1000 year reign, a physical reign.

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The Apostle John didn't write the Gospel of John and the Revelations of John, they they were written by the Disciple of John the Baptist in John:1 that did not become an Apostle. If the Apostle John was the author he would have mentioned the vision of Moses and the resurrection of the sleeping girl as only 3 Apostles saw those 2 events. The other 3 Gospels all cover them so perhaps John and his brother wrote 2 of them and peter wrote the biggest one of those 3.

The bruise to the heel from Ge:3:15 is a pretty big step in the reconciliation of Adam and Eve with God. The 3 1/2 years associated with the completion of the other bruise has even more drama as it is on a global scale rather than it being a 'local event'
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"For ye, brethren, became followers of the churches of God which in Judaea are in Christ Jesus: for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews:" 1 Thessalonians 2:14

And as they went through the cities, they delivered them the decrees for to keep, that were ordained of the apostles and elders which were at Jerusalem.
And so were the churches established in the faith, and increased in number daily. Acts 16:4-5
Proverbs 2:3-4;2:10-11;1:23
For if thou inwardly callest (to) wisdom, and bowest thine heart to(ward) prudence; if thou seekest it as money, and diggest it out as treasures; When wisdom entereth into thine heart, and knowledge delighteth thy soul, Then shall counsel preserve thee, and understanding shall keep thee, (Turn you at my correction: lo, I will pour out my mind unto you, and make you understand my words.)

2 Esdras 14:25;8:52
I shall light a candle of understanding in thine heart, which shall not be put out. Unto you is paradise opened.
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I believe in the King James Bible as the word of truth, I do not regard any scripture as unprofitable.

That being said, we must rightly divide this word of truth. Not everything applies to everybody at all times.
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If you divide Luke 24 anymore it will just be a bunch of jumbled words. The meaning in Luke 24 his pretty clear and it was to all the nations. Don't let your Paul only bias get in the way.
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Peter agreed, Paul was not a one-man mission. This passage was late in Peter's ministry.

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.



We are redeemed by the precious blood of Christ, nothing else. God bless
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Peter and Paul are both correct it is about the blood of christ. They both showed why we are saved through faith and blood but what you are failing to see that this was applicable at the time of his death in Luke 23 and 24. Even though Luke may have written this later, the apostles were already saved because of faith and the blood of Christ.
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The apostles got the Holy Spirit from Jesus breathing on them, remember? We get the Holy Spirit differently today, by faith in His blood. Additionally, Judas lost this Holy Spirit apparently, and Thomas doubted until He saw Jesus after the resurrection. We cannot lose our salvation today like Judas seems to have done.

Faith in the blood was not revealed until Paul, I am not declaring him better than any of the other apostles, it is what scripture says.


11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
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Your close but still dead wrong, jesus never exised as you can learn in 9 minutes: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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Your close but still dead wrong, jesus never exised as you can learn in 9 minutes: [link to www.youtube.com (secure)]
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If you divide Luke 24 anymore it will just be a bunch of jumbled words. The meaning in Luke 24 his pretty clear and it was to all the nations. Don't let your Paul only bias get in the way.
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Peter agreed, Paul was not a one-man mission. This passage was late in Peter's ministry.

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.



We are redeemed by the precious blood of Christ, nothing else. God bless
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Peter and Paul are both correct it is about the blood of christ. They both showed why we are saved through faith and blood but what you are failing to see that this was applicable at the time of his death in Luke 23 and 24. Even though Luke may have written this later, the apostles were already saved because of faith and the blood of Christ.
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The apostles got the Holy Spirit from Jesus breathing on them, remember? We get the Holy Spirit differently today, by faith in His blood. Additionally, Judas lost this Holy Spirit apparently, and Thomas doubted until He saw Jesus after the resurrection. We cannot lose our salvation today like Judas seems to have done.

Faith in the blood was not revealed until Paul, I am not declaring him better than any of the other apostles, it is what scripture says.


11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
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Judas never had the holy spirit and thomas doubted before he received the holy spirit. Just the same they received the holy spirit at pentecost. This was because of faith and blood as Luke says from Christ.
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Peter agreed, Paul was not a one-man mission. This passage was late in Peter's ministry.

18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;

19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

20 Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

21 Who by him do believe in God, that raised him up from the dead, and gave him glory; that your faith and hope might be in God.



We are redeemed by the precious blood of Christ, nothing else. God bless
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Peter and Paul are both correct it is about the blood of christ. They both showed why we are saved through faith and blood but what you are failing to see that this was applicable at the time of his death in Luke 23 and 24. Even though Luke may have written this later, the apostles were already saved because of faith and the blood of Christ.
 Quoting: Achduke7


The apostles got the Holy Spirit from Jesus breathing on them, remember? We get the Holy Spirit differently today, by faith in His blood. Additionally, Judas lost this Holy Spirit apparently, and Thomas doubted until He saw Jesus after the resurrection. We cannot lose our salvation today like Judas seems to have done.

Faith in the blood was not revealed until Paul, I am not declaring him better than any of the other apostles, it is what scripture says.


11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: Expose ALL Shills


Judas never had the holy spirit and thomas doubted before he received the holy spirit. Just the same they received the holy spirit at pentecost. This was because of faith and blood as Luke says from Christ.
 Quoting: Achduke7


Scripture says the disciples got the Holy Spirit when Jesus breathed on them.

We get the Holy Spirit differently today. Not sure why you are so opposed to these facts.
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Peter and Paul are both correct it is about the blood of christ. They both showed why we are saved through faith and blood but what you are failing to see that this was applicable at the time of his death in Luke 23 and 24. Even though Luke may have written this later, the apostles were already saved because of faith and the blood of Christ.
 Quoting: Achduke7


The apostles got the Holy Spirit from Jesus breathing on them, remember? We get the Holy Spirit differently today, by faith in His blood. Additionally, Judas lost this Holy Spirit apparently, and Thomas doubted until He saw Jesus after the resurrection. We cannot lose our salvation today like Judas seems to have done.

Faith in the blood was not revealed until Paul, I am not declaring him better than any of the other apostles, it is what scripture says.


11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: Expose ALL Shills


Judas never had the holy spirit and thomas doubted before he received the holy spirit. Just the same they received the holy spirit at pentecost. This was because of faith and blood as Luke says from Christ.
 Quoting: Achduke7


Scripture says the disciples got the Holy Spirit when Jesus breathed on them.

We get the Holy Spirit differently today. Not sure why you are so opposed to these facts.
 Quoting: Expose ALL Shills


Because you have not shown any facts. So were all the apostles going around and breathing on each other?

Christ was the only one who breathed on the apostles and they did not even receive the Holy Spirit at that time. The rest of the apostles would lay hands on new disciples.

John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

Acts 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

Jesus commanded that they receive the Holy Spirit but did it happen at that exact moment?

Here is when they received the Holy Spirit on Pentecost.

Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Even Paul laid hands on people when they were baptized.

Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Paul performed the same exact method when he baptized people by laying of hands and then they received the Holy Spirit.

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The apostles got the Holy Spirit from Jesus breathing on them, remember? We get the Holy Spirit differently today, by faith in His blood. Additionally, Judas lost this Holy Spirit apparently, and Thomas doubted until He saw Jesus after the resurrection. We cannot lose our salvation today like Judas seems to have done.

Faith in the blood was not revealed until Paul, I am not declaring him better than any of the other apostles, it is what scripture says.


11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.
 Quoting: Expose ALL Shills


Judas never had the holy spirit and thomas doubted before he received the holy spirit. Just the same they received the holy spirit at pentecost. This was because of faith and blood as Luke says from Christ.
 Quoting: Achduke7


Scripture says the disciples got the Holy Spirit when Jesus breathed on them.

We get the Holy Spirit differently today. Not sure why you are so opposed to these facts.
 Quoting: Expose ALL Shills


Because you have not shown any facts. So were all the apostles going around and breathing on each other?

Christ was the only one who breathed on the apostles and they did not even receive the Holy Spirit at that time. The rest of the apostles would lay hands on new disciples.

John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

Acts 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

Jesus commanded that they receive the Holy Spirit but did it happen at that exact moment?

Here is when they received the Holy Spirit on Pentecost.

Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Even Paul laid hands on people when they were baptized.

Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Paul performed the same exact method when he baptized people by laying of hands and then they received the Holy Spirit.
 Quoting: Achduke7


The fact is you ignore several scriptures, to your own detriment and to others' detriment as well.

The fact remains that the disciples received the Holy Spirit when Jesus breathed on them per John 20. Quoting Acts 2 does not change this.

Acts 2 shows when the disciples were FILLED with the Holy Spirit, not when they received it the first time.

Your repeated mistake of applying Acts 2 to your unfounded arguments shows you are not rightly dividing.

You say Jesus' ministry was not just to Israel per Matthew 15:24... Because you are not rightly dividing. Jesus' ministry was solely to Israel.

Not everything in scripture applies to everyone at the same time. There are two covenants.
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Antichrist wants you to believe this bull. There is only one gospel.
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Antichrist wants you to believe this bull. There is only one gospel.
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There is only gospel right now, that is correct. Please go spread it if you are a Christian.

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1 Corinthians 15:1-4
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Exposeallshills is himself a shill
Proverbs 2:3-4;2:10-11;1:23
For if thou inwardly callest (to) wisdom, and bowest thine heart to(ward) prudence; if thou seekest it as money, and diggest it out as treasures; When wisdom entereth into thine heart, and knowledge delighteth thy soul, Then shall counsel preserve thee, and understanding shall keep thee, (Turn you at my correction: lo, I will pour out my mind unto you, and make you understand my words.)

2 Esdras 14:25;8:52
I shall light a candle of understanding in thine heart, which shall not be put out. Unto you is paradise opened.
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I don't agree with this guy. He's saying that an angel brought a different gospel. The term "everlasting gospel" just refers to the fact that Christ's sacrifice was once, for all, and everlasting. Paul simply said that if he, an angel, or anyone else preached something different. he should be accursed.

I don't worry too much about tribulation timelines, given that each of us is mortal, and our own deaths are the ultimate revelation for each of us. Christians have been dying for centuries not seeing the last days events, yet they have gone on to either be with God or not. The rapture itself could be viewed as a very rapid group death, resurrection, and ascension event, assuming that it exists.

Yashua shed his blood once and for all for the remission of sins, and He said, "It is finished.". The price has been paid. Now we simply appropriate the gift through faith and repentance.
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Amen!

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Judas never had the holy spirit and thomas doubted before he received the holy spirit. Just the same they received the holy spirit at pentecost. This was because of faith and blood as Luke says from Christ.
 Quoting: Achduke7


Scripture says the disciples got the Holy Spirit when Jesus breathed on them.

We get the Holy Spirit differently today. Not sure why you are so opposed to these facts.
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Because you have not shown any facts. So were all the apostles going around and breathing on each other?

Christ was the only one who breathed on the apostles and they did not even receive the Holy Spirit at that time. The rest of the apostles would lay hands on new disciples.

John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

Acts 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

Jesus commanded that they receive the Holy Spirit but did it happen at that exact moment?

Here is when they received the Holy Spirit on Pentecost.

Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Even Paul laid hands on people when they were baptized.

Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Paul performed the same exact method when he baptized people by laying of hands and then they received the Holy Spirit.
 Quoting: Achduke7


The fact is you ignore several scriptures, to your own detriment and to others' detriment as well.

The fact remains that the disciples received the Holy Spirit when Jesus breathed on them per John 20. Quoting Acts 2 does not change this.

Acts 2 shows when the disciples were FILLED with the Holy Spirit, not when they received it the first time.

Your repeated mistake of applying Acts 2 to your unfounded arguments shows you are not rightly dividing.

You say Jesus' ministry was not just to Israel per Matthew 15:24... Because you are not rightly dividing. Jesus' ministry was solely to Israel.

Not everything in scripture applies to everyone at the same time. There are two covenants.
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Thomas was not there and was not breathed on. Also it does not say they received the Holy Spirit at this time.

Reading on into Acts 1 We can see Jesus told them to stay in Jerusalem and wait for the Holy Spirit. If the Holy Spirit was given when he breathed on them why did Jesus tell them to stay in Jerusalem to receive the Holy Spirit in not many days?

Acts 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me. 5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

This was during the accession of Jesus so even at that time they were not baptized until 10 days later at Pentecost.

Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
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It’s rather simple. You deny him and you go into Satan’s realm with his people. Religion is his creation. The freedom of religion is from Satan.




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Red and blue pill takers. Your salvation is in jeopardy. Do not follow man.
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Freedom of religion is protection of carnal doctrine. Doctrine created to set apart. There is only one truth.
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Scripture says the disciples got the Holy Spirit when Jesus breathed on them.

We get the Holy Spirit differently today. Not sure why you are so opposed to these facts.
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Because you have not shown any facts. So were all the apostles going around and breathing on each other?

Christ was the only one who breathed on the apostles and they did not even receive the Holy Spirit at that time. The rest of the apostles would lay hands on new disciples.

John 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:

Acts 8:17 Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

Jesus commanded that they receive the Holy Spirit but did it happen at that exact moment?

Here is when they received the Holy Spirit on Pentecost.

Acts 2:1 And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place. 2And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting. 3 And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them. 4 And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Even Paul laid hands on people when they were baptized.

Acts 19:6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

Paul performed the same exact method when he baptized people by laying of hands and then they received the Holy Spirit.
 Quoting: Achduke7


The fact is you ignore several scriptures, to your own detriment and to others' detriment as well.

The fact remains that the disciples received the Holy Spirit when Jesus breathed on them per John 20. Quoting Acts 2 does not change this.

Acts 2 shows when the disciples were FILLED with the Holy Spirit, not when they received it the first time.

Your repeated mistake of applying Acts 2 to your unfounded arguments shows you are not rightly dividing.

You say Jesus' ministry was not just to Israel per Matthew 15:24... Because you are not rightly dividing. Jesus' ministry was solely to Israel.

Not everything in scripture applies to everyone at the same time. There are two covenants.
 Quoting: Expose ALL Shills


Also it does not say they received the Holy Spirit at this time.
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False

Jesus said in John 20:22 "Receive ye the Holy Ghost".

No need for us to continue in circles, you have established your position on this and it benefits nobody to go further.

All that matters is people know the gospel of our salvation for today. Will you help spread it?

1 Peter 1:18-19
Romans 3:24-25
1 Corinthians 15:1-4

God bless
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Freedom of religion is protection of carnal doctrine. Doctrine created to set apart. There is only one truth.
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Spread the gospel

1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Romans 3:25
1 Peter 1:18-19

God bless