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Achduke7  User ID: 15477440  United States06/24/2018 09:46 AM  Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gospel of Salvation is in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, let us spread the good news in meekness and humility to the lost. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75409848 1. Jesus died on the cross 2. For our sins 3. Jesus was buried 4. Jesus rose again 5. All of this is according to the Scriptures, the Holy Bible Except this is the same Gospel as told by the other Apostles also. It is not unique to Paul. Paul wraps it up in one tidy letter but the Apostles told everyone the same thing. There is one Gospel. Achduke |
| Juju User ID: 76580810  Canada06/24/2018 10:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gospel of Salvation is in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, let us spread the good news in meekness and humility to the lost. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75409848 1. Jesus died on the cross 2. For our sins 3. Jesus was buried 4. Jesus rose again 5. All of this is according to the Scriptures, the Holy Bible Except this is the same Gospel as told by the other Apostles also. It is not unique to Paul. Paul wraps it up in one tidy letter but the Apostles told everyone the same thing. There is one Gospel. Ba-bu-but he's got a white board and is wearing a tie. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 69250943 United States06/24/2018 10:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The guy in OPs video is a yutz. He puts entirely too much stock in false doctrines. If he'd ever actually READ the Bible instead of cherry-picking bits of scripture to take them out of context, he'd learn that what he's been teaching all these years in his videos is total bunk. |
| TheLordsServant User ID: 4154979 United States06/24/2018 10:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Look, pre-trib folks have their hearts in the right place but have adopted a doctrine that is abiblical... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72341210 In your opinion. I disagree. Why does that bother you so much? What Jesus says doesn't look like pre-trib. This is just before the 1000 years or at the end of it. Matthew 13:37-43 37 He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; 38 The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; 39 The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. 40 As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear. I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76250665 United States06/24/2018 03:59 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Hours later...no Bible verses on a Pre-Tribulation Rapture. Hmmm. What do you know? Maybe because they don't exist! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72341210 1 Thess:4 13 I would not brethren, have you ignorant concerning they which are asleep, that ye sorrow not even as others which have no hope.14 For if we believe that Jesus is dead, and is risen, even so them which sleep in Jesus, will God bring with him.15 For this say we unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which live, and are remaining in the coming of the Lord, shall not prevent them which sleep.16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, and with the voice of the Archangel, and with the trumpet of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:17 Then shall we which live and remain, be caught up with them also in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.18 Wherefore, comfort yourselves one another with these words. 2 Thess:2 1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our assembling unto him,2 That ye be not suddenly moved from your mind, nor troubled neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter, as it were from us, as though the day of Christ were at hand.3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a departing first, and that [h]that man of sin be disclosed, even the son of perdition.4 Which is an adversary, and exalteth himself against all that is called God, or that is worshipped: so that he doth sit as God in the Temple of God, showing himself that he is God. 1 Corinthians 15:51 Behold, I show you a secret thing, We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye at the last trumpet: for the trumpet shall blow, and the dead shall be raised up incorruptible, and we shall be changed. Nothing in these verses say this happens before the Tribulation. But...Matthew 24 tells us immediate after the Tribulation and discusses the Rapture. Mathew 24 is to the priesthood...the gospel of grace and rapture is ENTIRELY a Pauline doctrine and the priesthood has been blinded to this concept... you are very deceived. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76250665 United States06/24/2018 04:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gospel of Salvation is in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, let us spread the good news in meekness and humility to the lost. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75409848 1. Jesus died on the cross 2. For our sins 3. Jesus was buried 4. Jesus rose again 5. All of this is according to the Scriptures, the Holy Bible Except this is the same Gospel as told by the other Apostles also. It is not unique to Paul. Paul wraps it up in one tidy letter but the Apostles told everyone the same thing. There is one Gospel. absolutely NOT true... what Paul preaches is a completely different doctrine to a completely different group of people... the body is NOT under law, temple worship or animal sacrifices, all of which come back during the final 7 years... |
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| Achduke7 User ID: 15477440 United States06/24/2018 07:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gospel of Salvation is in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, let us spread the good news in meekness and humility to the lost. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75409848 1. Jesus died on the cross 2. For our sins 3. Jesus was buried 4. Jesus rose again 5. All of this is according to the Scriptures, the Holy Bible Except this is the same Gospel as told by the other Apostles also. It is not unique to Paul. Paul wraps it up in one tidy letter but the Apostles told everyone the same thing. There is one Gospel. absolutely NOT true... what Paul preaches is a completely different doctrine to a completely different group of people... the body is NOT under law, temple worship or animal sacrifices, all of which come back during the final 7 years... 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: lets see... Luke 24:46-47 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Luke 9:22 Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day. John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Looks like the same gospel to me. Did you see how Christ said to preach it to all nations in Luke 24. Those would be the Gentiles and the Jevvs. Last Edited by Achduke7 on 06/24/2018 07:25 PM Achduke |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 76250665 United States06/24/2018 08:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gospel of Salvation is in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4, let us spread the good news in meekness and humility to the lost. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 75409848 1. Jesus died on the cross 2. For our sins 3. Jesus was buried 4. Jesus rose again 5. All of this is according to the Scriptures, the Holy Bible Except this is the same Gospel as told by the other Apostles also. It is not unique to Paul. Paul wraps it up in one tidy letter but the Apostles told everyone the same thing. There is one Gospel. absolutely NOT true... what Paul preaches is a completely different doctrine to a completely different group of people... the body is NOT under law, temple worship or animal sacrifices, all of which come back during the final 7 years... 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: lets see... Luke 24:46-47 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Luke 9:22 Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day. John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Looks like the same gospel to me. Did you see how Christ said to preach it to all nations in Luke 24. Those would be the Gentiles and the Jevvs. all priesthood...nothing about salvation through faith alone, the priesthood had works, temple worship, they had to keep all the festivals and were under LAW not grace...nowhere did Christ tell the Jevvs they where saved through faith alone... not even during his 40 on earth after resurrection. Peter was looking for tribulation, not rapture, as was Paul. Peter was still going to temple, Paul preached we ARE the temple 2Peter3:15 "15 And suppose that the long suffering of our Lord is salvation,even as our beloved brother Paul according to the wisdom given unto him wrote to you. 16 As one that in all his Epistles speaketh of these things: among the which, some things are hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable, wrest, as they do also other Scriptures unto their own destruction. Why would Pauls doctrine be hard for Peter to understand...because it was different... |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72341210 United States06/24/2018 09:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What did Jesus say. Listen to him! 6Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. 17But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; 18And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. 19But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you. 21And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. 22And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. 23But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. 24The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. 25It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household? Matthew 10:6-24 To the end...which is immediately after the Tribulation when we are raptured home. |
| freedomsnotfree1 User ID: 76250665 United States06/24/2018 09:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What did Jesus say. Listen to him! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72341210 6Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves. 17But beware of men: for they will deliver you up to the councils, and they will scourge you in their synagogues; 18And ye shall be brought before governors and kings for my sake, for a testimony against them and the Gentiles. 19But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. 20For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you. 21And the brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death. 22And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved. 23But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities of Israel, till the Son of man be come. 24The disciple is not above his master, nor the servant above his lord. 25It is enough for the disciple that he be as his master, and the servant as his lord. If they have called the master of the house Beelzebub, how much more shall they call them of his household? Matthew 10:6-24 To the end...which is immediately after the Tribulation when we are raptured home. Who was Jesus speaking to... the priesthood freedomsnotfree1 |
| Achduke7 User ID: 15477440 United States06/24/2018 09:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Achduke7 Except this is the same Gospel as told by the other Apostles also. It is not unique to Paul. Paul wraps it up in one tidy letter but the Apostles told everyone the same thing. There is one Gospel. absolutely NOT true... what Paul preaches is a completely different doctrine to a completely different group of people... the body is NOT under law, temple worship or animal sacrifices, all of which come back during the final 7 years... 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; 2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. 3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; 4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: lets see... Luke 24:46-47 46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day: 47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem. John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Luke 9:22 Saying, The Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be slain, and be raised the third day. John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. Matthew 26:28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Looks like the same gospel to me. Did you see how Christ said to preach it to all nations in Luke 24. Those would be the Gentiles and the Jevvs. all priesthood...nothing about salvation through faith alone, the priesthood had works, temple worship, they had to keep all the festivals and were under LAW not grace...nowhere did Christ tell the Jevvs they where saved through faith alone... not even during his 40 on earth after resurrection. Peter was looking for tribulation, not rapture, as was Paul. Peter was still going to temple, Paul preached we ARE the temple 2Peter3:15 "15 And suppose that the long suffering of our Lord is salvation,even as our beloved brother Paul according to the wisdom given unto him wrote to you. 16 As one that in all his Epistles speaketh of these things: among the which, some things are hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable, wrest, as they do also other Scriptures unto their own destruction. Why would Pauls doctrine be hard for Peter to understand...because it was different... John 3:16 is salvation from faith. The apostles are not the levite priests. Still what is the problem if a priest or Christian does works. It does not save them because they are already saved. Christians produce good fruit(works). We are not to be lazy and sit around. Paul still attended temple and even talked about leaving the gentiles to go back for the feasts. Peter was expecting tribulation because the pre-trib rapture is false. Peter also preached we are the temple. 1 Peter 2:5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ. Peter said that Paul's content in his letters are hard to understand. He did not say his gospel was different. Peter said the unlearned would and are now twisting Paul's words to their own destruction. 2 Peter 3:16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. There is only one gospel. Last Edited by Achduke7 on 06/24/2018 09:32 PM Achduke |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72341210 United States06/24/2018 10:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nope. Jesus spoke to all. In fact, the "priesthood" in his day were scoundrels who placed their interpretation above Torah! That is why he condemns them! And you are elevating who Jesus made low! What cherry-pickin'! Imagine combing through the Word and say, "Nope this is not for me but some obscure people who were called antichrists by Jesus." |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72341210 United States06/24/2018 10:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mark 13 32But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father. 33Take ye heed, watch and pray: for ye know not when the time is. 34For the Son of man is as a man taking a far journey, who left his house, and gave authority to his servants, and to every man his work, and commanded the porter to watch. 35Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning: 36Lest coming suddenly he find you sleeping. 37And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch. ÀLL means ALL...not the priesthood. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72341210 United States06/25/2018 08:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't know when you got saved, but I got saved when I was a kid...a very young kid who practically on my own intuited that Jesus is absolutely my Lord and Savior. Nobody is even close to his magnificent kindness, mercy, bravery, and leadership. And I was taught every day you study the Bible. And now many many decades later, having done that earnestly, you can recollect passages. Why can't you? Do you read your Bible? Does it thrill you every time? If you are following some doctrine of men, then you don't need Biblical proof. I do because the whole point is the Bible is full of wisdom and proof. |
| Achduke7 User ID: 15477440 United States06/25/2018 08:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't know when you got saved, but I got saved when I was a kid...a very young kid who practically on my own intuited that Jesus is absolutely my Lord and Savior. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 72341210 Nobody is even close to his magnificent kindness, mercy, bravery, and leadership. And I was taught every day you study the Bible. And now many many decades later, having done that earnestly, you can recollect passages. Why can't you? Do you read your Bible? Does it thrill you every time? If you are following some doctrine of men, then you don't need Biblical proof. I do because the whole point is the Bible is full of wisdom and proof. AC210, You need to quote the posts you are referring to so we know who you are talking to. Achduke |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 72341210 United States06/25/2018 08:34 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus preached Christians would suffer persecution and if they lived, go through the Tribulation, then rapture them, then God pours out wrath On everybody else. His disciples preached the same thing. The Early Church Fathers, taught by the disciples, taught the very same thing. This goes on until the eighteenth century when a kooky girl has a vision. Some preachers jump on that and start a new doctrine. It goes nowhere until Jewish people financially support Schofield's Bible translation. This is filled with this doctrine in the footnotes. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 71503346 United States06/25/2018 08:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | There's not a "Tribulation Gospel" The GOOD NEWS is that by Jesus being born into this world, dying on the cross and raising from the dead, there's hope for everyone who believes in HIM. I happen to hold the opinion that not everyone who says they believe actually do. Jesus said many will say "Lord, Lord," but he will say, "I never knew you." It's all about a living relationship with and in Christ. Seeking, knocking and asking. Tribulation is all about the last days, and will happen, is happening, and has happened. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 71503346 United States06/25/2018 08:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't agree with this guy. He's saying that an angel brought a different gospel. The term "everlasting gospel" just refers to the fact that Christ's sacrifice was once, for all, and everlasting. Paul simply said that if he, an angel, or anyone else preached something different. he should be accursed. Quoting: Berf Snurple I don't worry too much about tribulation timelines, given that each of us is mortal, and our own deaths are the ultimate revelation for each of us. Christians have been dying for centuries not seeing the last days events, yet they have gone on to either be with God or not. The rapture itself could be viewed as a very rapid group death, resurrection, and ascension event, assuming that it exists. Yashua shed his blood once and for all for the remission of sins, and He said, "It is finished.". The price has been paid. Now we simply appropriate the gift through faith and repentance. Scripture is saying that an angel WILL bring a different Gospel, if you read Revelation it is there. Do not blindly believe the person, check with Scripture. Paul also warned about false gospels and satan being "like an angel of light." Which is really darkness... JW's have a different gospel, so do Mormons. |
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| Expose ALL Shills User ID: 75409848 United States08/01/2018 03:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Still waiting for the difference. They are the same gospel. There is only one gospel. Jesus preached the Gospel of the Kingdom, did that involve believing in his death, burial and resurrection? He had not died yet. John the Baptist and Jesus preached the Gospel of the Kingdom, to Israel alone. Israel had to believe in the name of Jesus, as their Christ and Messiah. Water baptism was part of this, for Je ws and people of Israel. Later in Acts and through Paul we see the Apostles preaching the Gospel of Salvation. Faith in the finished work of Christ on the cross. Faith in His blood alone. Romans 3:25 God deals with Israel and Gentiles differently live and die for Christ |
