Gospel of Salvation vs Tribulation Gospel

Those are extra biblical labels that you are placing on the gospel. The Good News (Gospel) has been forever revealed and expanded through out the ages.


Israel was never saved by works. It has always been faith. Do you think bulk of Israel was saved during the Exodus? Were they saved during Judges, David or Solomon?

Israel and the Gentiles are saved by the same means.

Reading Jeremiah and Ezekiel we see this. God gives his Holy Spirit to Israel and to the Gentiles.

Once again here is a version from Mark which clearly Jesus tells the apostles to go to the world and how to save them.

Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

In John 12:47 Jesus speaks of saving the world and not just Israel.

John 12:47 And if any man hear my words, and believe not, I judge him not: for I came not to judge the world, but to save the world.

You say that this is only for Israel but even in John, Mark, Luke and Matthew Jesus states it is for the World.

There is only one Gospel.

People refuse to see, and continue to trust in their own works.

We are no longer under law, we are in the New Testament since the death and resurrection of our testator, Jesus.

Is there only one covenant too?

You believe that by not doing something you are still doing works. Refusing to not take the mark of the beast is not works.

Resisting starvation is indeed work. You will not be able to buy food or water.

Good luck living off grid with drones everywhere and satellite imaging.

You miss the whole point of faith. Who says you have to buy anything? If I need to starve I will. If I die then so be it. That is not a work. Is anything impossible for God? Does God not provide?

Did Israel starve during exodus? Did God not provide them manna? Did God not provide them water? Did God not fight for them?

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Do you think you'll be pleasing God by starving to death?

How about ministering to the lost, do you care about them at all?

See Revelation 14, the angel gives commandments according to the 'everlasting gospel'. Will you be able to obey while starving to death? Without water you'll have three days.

Do you see what you are typing? What you are preaching is not the gospel. You are preaching fear. If we have the spirit of God then why fear? I pray that God will lift me up and provide. I pray my faith will be enough. I do not wish to starve but I would rather starve then take the mark of the beast and doom myself. I pray I follow God's will and whatever he wishes for me. If that is to ministering to the lost then I pray to follow his will. If I am martyred then so be it. Do you not believe that followers in Christ will be martyred? This is foretold. I pray that God gives me the strength to do whatever he chooses for me.

I preach the blood. That is our gospel. Romans 3:25

Do you preach the blood? Or baptism and works?

The everlasting gospel in Revelation 14 is no longer just faith in the blood.

Hence, two different gospels.

I already said no one is saved by works. Baptism is by the Spirit. If you do not have the Spirit of God you are not saved!

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Hebrews 9:22 And almost all things are by the law purged with blood; and without shedding of blood is no remission.


John 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

Where is it stated no longer faith in blood? If you do not have the Holy Spirit obtained by faith then you will take the Mark. Faith is first. Why were 5 of the virgins ignored by Christ but 5 were his bride? The 5 that are his bride are anointed with Holy Spirit (Oil).

There is only one Gospel and one way to be saved.

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No longer 'just' faith in blood. It will be faith + works.

6 And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven, having the everlasting gospel to preach unto them that dwell on the earth, and to every nation, and kindred, and tongue, and people,

7 Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

There are at least two commandments there: Fear God and give glory to Him. Not taking the mark is another one. Faith + works

The beauty of God's grace for us now, today, is we do not have to die of starvation or dehydration or decapitation to be saved.

We are still under grace. Two different gospels for two different times.

Fearing God is not a work, worshiping God is not a work and not sinning is not a work. We are commanded and should do these things.

I try to do these things not because they save me but because I love God.

1 Timothy 6:11 But thou, O man of God, flee these things; and follow after righteousness, godliness, faith, love, patience, meekness. 12 Fight the good fight of faith, lay hold on eternal life, whereunto thou art also called, and hast professed a good profession before many witnesses. 13 I give thee charge in the sight of God, who quickeneth all things, and before Christ Jesus, who before Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession; 14 That thou keep this commandment without spot, unrebukeable, until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ:


What does righteous mean to you?

This is from Paul who all says we are not under the law but Paul is misunderstood. He said we are under the spirit. Which is also stated in the Old Testament. Once we are saved and have the spirit of God he guides us in the law. Without the Spirit of God we are being self-righteous and following ourselves. If we have the spirit of God we are following God's will.

The Jewish leaders thought they were following God but they were adding to and extending the law and Jesus rebuked them for it. They did not have the Spirit of God and were interpreting God's laws with their own carnal minds.

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When you give glory to God, do you just sit there in your prayer closet and do nothing? Is that really giving glory to God?

I do not believe you are being honest or genuine in your answers or your exegesis. Just be honest.

Spread the gospel of salvation. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Romans 3:24-25

First of all I do not have a prayer closet. 2nd you are not my judge although you pretend to be.

By dodging the point you show you understand, that giving glory to God is a WORK.

A work commanded by an angel who gives the everlasting gospel in Revelation 14.

That is a different gospel than ours today, which is grace through faith in the blood atonement of Christ for our sins.

1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Romans 3:25

In your ignorance I see you do not understand the difference between being under the law or under the spirit. Those that are saved are under the spirit. Under the spirit does not mean we can not do good works. A person that presents bad fruit is not under the spirit of God. Do you think we should be allowed to murder, fornicate, etc.? We should always give glory to God. The law still stands for those not under the Spirit. The complete law. An angel preaching the gospel and commanding to give Glory to God is not preaching to those under the spirit. Those under the spirit already know and follow.

These angels in Revelation 14 are giving several commandments in order to be saved. None of these commandments are expressly stipulated from Romans through Philemon as needed for salvation, where we see the gospel of salvation given by Paul.

You are trying to add works to the blood of Christ, that is heresy. Christ did it all and does not need our help to save us. Someone can turn to Christ on their deathbed and literally a micro-second later die, and be saved. That person does not have to fear God, worship God, give glory to God, or deal with the mark in order to be saved.

For all of us now, trusting the blood is enough. Adding to it as you have done repeatedly, is heresy.

You need to read Romans and Galatians and learn about the law of the spirit.

Romans 8:2 because the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death.

Galatians 5:18 But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.



We are free from the law of sin and death. Paul mentions many different laws. We are not free from the laws of God. The law of the spirit guides us through the laws of God.



Also there is nothing new in Revelation about a new command. These are not new.

Pslam 96:2 Sing unto the LORD, bless his name; shew forth his salvation from day to day. 3 Declare his glory among the heathen, his wonders among all people.

1 Corinthians 10:31 Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God.

Mark 16:16 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.

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I am not talking about what happens AFTER we are saved. I am only discussing what is necessary IN ORDER to be saved.

Understand the difference?

Please answer this honestly Duke: did Israel have to believe in Jesus' death, burial and resurrection in order to be saved? Did they have to have faith in His blood? For their sins?

The answer is no, and Jesus had not died yet. Israel had to believe (and WILL have to believe) in the NAME of Jesus. Christ, Messiah.

Scripture says this plainly, but people who do not rightly divide do not understand this.

Salvation has always been by faith through the Grace of God. Just because the prophets have died does not mean they were not waiting for salvation to come when Christ resurrects them at the appropriate time. Do you not believe that Abraham, Moses and the other prophets and believers are saved?

Romans 4:3 For what saith the scripture? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him for righteousness

1 Peter 1:10-11 10 Of which salvation the prophets have inquired and searched diligently, who prophesied of the grace that should come unto you: 11 Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.

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Faith in what exactly? If you say God, then what did Jesus die for?

Why did Jesus have to die?

Faith in God and his future plans with Christ. They were prophets. Does God not reveal his plans?


Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets.

I will ask a third time, why did Jesus have to die?

Jesus died for our sins. Then we must trust in what He did.

1 Corinthians 15:1-4 in the King James says we must have faith in HOW He died, shedding His blood. Romans 3:25

Is this how people were saved during the ministry of John the Baptist, during Jesus' ministry, and the ministry of the early apostles to Israel?

Were those people saved by trusting in His blood per Romans 3:25? Yes or no

If you answer this honestly then there won't be a need to go back and forth on this anymore.

Yes they were saved that way there is no other way to be saved. Can you show me anyone not saved by faith through the blood of Christ. Even Abraham is saved this way. There is only one gospel. The law does not save. Once we are saved and are given the Holy Sprit only then can we follow all God's law.

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You are conflating the two different ways again

Israel was told to believe on the NAME of Jesus, which is Christ, Messiah. They were not given the gospel of faith in the blood atonement per Romans 3:25, because Jesus had not died yet.

Two different ways for two different people.

The disciples were told it was going to happen. Abraham and other prophets may or may not have been told by God. Just the same they had faith God would save them.

Job 19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

How he saved them is through the blood of Christ. There is no other way that is made known.

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The disciples were not saved by believing in His blood atonement for their sins, they were already saved by believing he was the Christ. In fact some did not immediately believe He rose from the dead, see what Thomas said.

Israel was to believe in the name of Jesus, Christ the anointed one, their Messiah. Je = Jehovah; Sus = saves

Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Jesus was not talking about faith in His blood to Israel, that was the revelation He gave to Paul to give to the gentiles.

Different gospels for Israel and the Gentiles.