Gospel of Salvation vs Tribulation Gospel

Don't believe me, believe Christ just Read Acts 1:5 and you will see that Christ promised them the baptism of the Holy Spirit several days after his ascension which then happens at acts 2.

Last Edited by Achduke7 on 08/09/2018 09:16 PM

22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:


Apparently you deny this happened. Why should we progress to Acts when you do not understand the book preceding it?

BTW,

We should be pushing the gospel and I will continue to push the one gospel.

I do not speak Greek but john sounds like future and so does acts 1 but acts 2 is present tense.


One thing to consider.

Christ died around 31 to 33 AD. When Paul wrote his letters some 20 years later Christ had already had died, was buried and had risen and ascended to the God.

When did Faith and Blood start, Did everyone have to wait 20 years for Paul to write his letters or did it start at the crucifixion of Christ?

Last Edited by Achduke7 on 08/10/2018 08:46 AM

I agree friend, let this be resolved amicably. Scripture says the gospel of faith in the blood atonement was 'revealed' to Paul, per Galatians 1:11-12. He calls it 'my gospel' at least two or three times throughout his letters.

Peter preached the death, burial, resurrection in early Acts, but a few points which were absent were 'for our sins' and 'according to the scriptures', those points are found in 1 Cor 15:3-4. In Acts two Peter was essentially giving Israel a murder indictment, telling them they killed their Messiah. When they asked him what they could do (not necessarily in order to be saved), Peter said to repent and be baptized. This was an act of repentance for killing Jesus, not an express act to obtain salvation. Later in Acts pure Gentiles were advised to simply 'believe', and believe in the name of Christ (ex. Acts 16:31). Je ws were advised to believe and be baptized or some combination of this (Acts 19:6 there was laying of hands, they were the disciples of John the Baptist). There were Samaritans (half- Je wish) in Acts who had to be baptized also if I recall correctly. There was a general transition throughout Acts from baptism to faith, Israel to Gentiles, an overall transition to Grace. Peter never said to repent and be baptized after Acts 2, and that was only to Israel to repent for killing their Messiah.

I do not want people now to think they have to be baptized or do any works in order to be saved. Salvation comes by faith and faith alone, in the blood atonement of Christ (Romans 3:25). Good works will follow as fruit of the Spirit.

God bless you in Jesus' name.

1 Corinthians 15:1-4
Romans 3:24-25
1 Peter 1:18-19

Last Edited by anonymous 3333333 on 08/10/2018 01:37 PM

I agree but do you think that the faith in the blood atonement was completed when Christ died and was resurrected or did that atonement start when Paul wrote Romans 3:25?

I don't think most Gentiles understood the doctrine of the necessity of a sinless substitutionary sacrifice, and blood, in order to come to God - 'according to the scriptures'. True spiritual Israel did understand this, and was therefore told to believe in who Jesus is, the Christ and their Messiah. Ex Matthew 16:16

I think this helps explain the difference in Paul's letters (which were to Gentiles except Hebrews), and the message in the four gospels.

It's possible a few people knew their scripture and realized Jesus was the passover lamb when He died, fulfilling the Old Testament prophecies. But most did not realize this yet.

But do you believe atonement was available at his death or did everyone have to wait until Paul wrote a letter about it?

Not sure what you are asking exactly.

Salvation (from hell) was available at His death, to people who knew what Jesus did and people who did not know of Jesus at all. Luke 12:47-48

Luke 16 tells the story of a rich man and beggar who were in hell and Abraham's bosom, respectively.

John 3:13 says "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven."

Therefore the atoning sacrifice of Christ was necessary to reconcile us to God, so that we could dwell with Him. It was also necessary for us to receive the Holy Spirit when we believe, which cannot be lost per Ephesians 1:13.

I will gladly defer to you or others here who have more knowledge than me, I do not profess to be an expert on the Bible.

So if the atonement was available at the Death of Christ and Christ taught them about his Death, Burial, resurrection and that he must die for sin why were they not saved by the same method as everyone else in 1 Corinthians and Romans?

Salvation was available to those who lived before His death. That is why I brought up Luke 16, those who had not heard of Jesus Christ were not condemned.