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Short introduction: I find it easy to poke fun at 'non-believers' and especially youtube channels, that I might as well run some articles here before I try to figure out how to turn them into a vid via a teleprompter and post them on that channel with the aim to reply to the comments using a verbal reply. (it seems most authors bail as soon as the post so comments are basically for cheering only)
If there are some flaws in any of the different topics this is where they will show up and be noted sooner rather than later. I don't mind a different view but 50 youtube channels spouting the dribble is a bit annoying especially they all promote the exact same words, being wrong is like the icing on the cake. Universal Salvation is the spoiler but because it has such an easy explanation it really throws into question why some of the biggest frauds need to sell 40 books to show what the 41st covers?? If they can't get it wrong by accident it has to be by design. The goals cannot be nailed down but the bullshit they peddle is very easy to dispute in glaring terms. (or at least I hope so or I will be going down in flames which is the way it should be)
I'm also going to cheat by spamming my own thread so my positions is pretty clear about what direction it goes.
Thread: Day of the Lord, literalist version.
Day of the Lord, literalist version.

"are you sure on your chronology of this part

The heat from the fire that destroys Satan’s Babylon in one hour is how the rivers are dried up."

The quote is from the above link. Sodom was when God showed Christ how to use the fire that He will use on Satan's Babylon as He pours out the 7 vials. The vials only take up a portion of the time-line on the day He returns. Re:20:4 resurrections are the last event that is before 6PM arrives and the people will be in the same state Jesus was when he talked to Mary M. on the morning of His resurrection. Rather than ascend to God and return people will go to the Eze:47 river and the tree of life.

Re:18:8:
Therefore shall her plagues come in one day,
death,
and mourning,
and famine;
and she shall be utterly burned with fire:
for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

Re:18:9-10:
And the kings of the earth,
who have committed fornication and lived deliciously with her,
shall bewail her,
and lament for her,
when they shall see the smoke of her burning,
Standing afar off for the fear of her torment,
saying,
Alas,
alas,
that great city Babylon,
that mighty city!
for in one hour is thy judgment come.

Re:18:17-19:
For in one hour so great riches is come to nought.
And every shipmaster,
and all the company in ships,
and sailors, and as many as trade by sea,
stood afar off,
And cried when they saw the smoke of her burning, saying, What city is like unto this great city!
And they cast dust on their heads,
and cried,
weeping and wailing,
saying,
Alas,
alas,
that great city,
wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness!
for in one hour is she made desolate.

Re:19:3-6:
And again they said,
Alleluia.
And her smoke rose up for ever and ever.
And the four and twenty elders and the four beasts fell down and worshipped God that sat on the throne,
saying,
Amen;
Alleluia.
And a voice came out of the throne,
saying,
Praise our God,
all ye his servants,
and ye that fear him,
both small and great.
And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude,
and as the voice of many waters,
and as the voice of mighty thunderings,
saying,
Alleluia:
for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth.

Re:11:14-19:
The second woe is past;
and,
behold,
the third woe cometh quickly.
And the seventh angel sounded;
and there were great voices in heaven,
saying,
The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord,
and of his Christ;
and he shall reign for ever and ever.
And the four and twenty elders,
which sat before God on their seats,
fell upon their faces,
and worshipped God,
Saying,
We give thee thanks,
O Lord God Almighty,
which art,
and wast,
and art to come;
because thou hast taken to thee thy great power,
and hast reigned.
And the nations were angry,
and thy wrath is come,
and the time of the dead,
that they should be judged,
and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets,
and to the saints,
and them that fear thy name,
small and great;
and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.
And the temple of God was opened in heaven,
and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings,
and voices,
and thunderings,
and an earthquake,
and great hail.

Joh:5:19:
Then answered Jesus and said unto them,
Verily,
verily,
I say unto you,
The Son can do nothing of himself,
but what he seeth the Father do:
for what things soever he doeth,
these also doeth the Son likewise.

Re:16:12-16:
And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates;
and the water thereof was dried up,
that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon,
and out of the mouth of the beast,
and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
For they are the spirits of devils,
working miracles,
which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world,
to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
Behold,
I come as a thief.
Blessed is he that watcheth,
and keepeth his garments,
lest he walk naked,
and they see his shame.
And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

Zec:13:8-9:
And it shall come to pass,
that in all the land,
saith the LORD,
two parts therein shall be cut off and die;
but the third shall be left therein.
And I will bring the third part through the fire,
and will refine them as silver is refined,
and will try them as gold is tried:
they shall call on my name,
and I will hear them:
I will say,
It is my people:
and they shall say,
The LORD is my God.

Zec:14:7:
But it shall be one day which shall be known to the LORD,
not day,
nor night:
but it shall come to pass,
that at evening time it shall be light.



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Unsound doctrine today promotes a 7 year tribulation rather than a 3 1/2 year one that Revelations promotes.
Since that is a bruise event from Ge:3:15 it should follow the same pattern that precede the cross. That was also a 3 1/2 year period of time. How that is arrived at will be explained in greater detail below when the 70th week is explored.

Neb's vision covered a swath of time that went from the day Daniel did what Da:2 says he did for Neb. When Christ claims Jerusalem at the start of a global reign that is the defeat that gives Him those qualities. Head=qualified king over the earth and all living things in it. Silver is two strong arms referencing God and the Holy Spirit, legs that represent longevity and feet of iron as the ability to move things or something along that line. The authority over birds and beasts of the fields is in the book and fits in better with the 'day of the lord' series as it covers all the passages it appears in.

Da:2:32-35:
This image's head was of fine gold,
his breast and his arms of silver,
his belly and his thighs of brass,
His legs of iron,
his feet part of iron and part of clay.
Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands,
which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay,
and brake them to pieces.
Then was the iron,
the clay,
the brass,
the silver,
and the gold,
broken to pieces together,
and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors;
and the wind carried them away,
that no place was found for them:
and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain,
and filled the whole earth.

Da:2:36-39:
This is the dream;
and we will tell the interpretation thereof before the king.
Thou,
O king,
art a king of kings:
for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom,
power,
and strength,
and glory.
And wheresoever the children of men dwell,
the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand,
and hath made thee ruler over them all.
Thou art this head of gold.
And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee,
and another third kingdom of brass,
which shall bear rule over all the earth.

Alexander the Great only ruled over Jerusalem for about a year and for the rest of the time Greece controlled that city it was one General and Greece eventually lost control so that the 'little horn' verses could begin. They reference Rome's full 50 rule over Jerusalem and most of the known world at that time. The details of what is accomplished is in the 4 Gospels as well as the rest of the NT text and the last line is referencing the RCC having the correct text and the correct understanding as late as 323AD but with the change to a Latin Bible the truth was lost yet the false religion lived on just as it does today. Just revealing that the beloved Disciple who wrote the two most important NT books is pushed aside for false worship of Mary, mother of Jesus. Mary's sermon is for the events connected to the bruise to her son's heel. Her sacrifice at losing her 1st son has huge rewards attached to it. The last woman in Re:12 is Mary of Bethany who will be the first one of the 12 Tribes to be resurrected to life, she will be married to Jesus at that time. The New Earth era is their honeymoon.

Da:8:8-12:
Therefore the he goat waxed very great:
and when he was strong,
the great horn was broken;
and for it came up four notable ones toward the four winds of heaven.
And out of one of them came forth a little horn,
which waxed exceeding great,
toward the south,
and toward the east,
and toward the pleasant land.
And it waxed great,
even to the host of heaven;
and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground,
and stamped upon them.
Yea,
he magnified himself even to the prince of the host,
and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away,
and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression,
and it cast down the truth to the ground;
and it practised,
and prospered.

The time below goes from when the 70 weeks started with the day John the Baptist was called (26AD as 3 1/2 years later 30AD Passover was on a Friday happened and 3 1/2 years after that Peter started teaching Gentile in Acts:10)
The last anointing was the ride into Jerusalem as that was a prophecy that was to be fulfilled by a King rather than by the High Priest that Jesus was during the Gospels. The anointing the night before by Mary of Bethany was to do with His death later that same day. Fulfillment of the bruise to the heel is an important way point as far as the reconciliation of mankind back to God.

Da:9:24:
Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city,
to finish the transgression,
and to make an end of sins,
and to make reconciliation for iniquity,
and to bring in everlasting righteousness,
and to seal up the vision and prophecy,
and to anoint the most Holy.
Da:9:25:
Know therefore and understand,
that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks,
and threescore and two weeks:
the street shall be built again,
and the wall,
even in troublous times.

The troublesome times would be the whole time between Greece losing control of Jerusalem and Rome gaining control in 63BC.

Da:9:26:
And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off,
but not for himself:
and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;
and the end thereof shall be with a flood,
and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

When God called John the Baptist the clock started on a period of 3 1/2 that would unwind before the event mentioned at mid-week. The Gospel of John contains some events after Jesus came back from the wilderness but before John was in prison. The Gospels of Matthew and Mark skip over until Jesus was no longer cut-off from being the High Priest at a level that was higher than just for the 12 Tribes.
Romans:13 gave the leaders of Rome authority to use the sword against evil as a way of protecting its own people from danger, so Rome has as much authority at that point as Neb did about 600 years earlier. Neb's is called God's servant more than once in Scripture. The last desolation to happen is the 7 vials and that is over a few hours after it starts, Prior to that is 3 1/2 years when fallen angels are the cause of much tribulation and for 4 days before that the earth experiences physical acts attributed to prophecy that show the coming events are literal rather than figurative.

The 'he' in the verse below is God, the same mentioned in association with covenants at the start of the 70 weeks passage. Mid week was the cross and Acts:10 was 3 1/2 years later.Prior to that Stephen was killed, the blood sacrifices continued and the money-changers returned. The consummation is the scattering mentioned in De:4:30 and the scattering associated with it. The consummation would be when Jesus says, 'It is finished.' as He pours out the 7th vial and the next event is the resurrection that happen as Re:10 unfolds as that is associated with Re:20:4.

Da:9:27:
And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week:
and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,
and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate,
even until the consummation,
and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Da:9:4:
And I prayed unto the LORD my God,
and made my confession,
and said,
O Lord,
the great and dreadful God,
keeping the covenant and mercy to them that love him,
and to them that keep his commandments;

Da:8:18-23:
Now as he was speaking with me,
I was in a deep sleep on my face toward the ground:
but he touched me,
and set me upright.
And he said,
Behold,
I will make thee know what shall be in the last end of the indignation:
for at the time appointed the end shall be.
he ram which thou sawest having two horns are the kings of Media and Persia.
And the rough goat is the king of Grecia:
and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
Now that being broken,
whereas four stood up for it,
four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation,
but not in his power.
And in the latter time of their kingdom,
when the transgressors are come to the full,
a king of fierce countenance,
and understanding dark sentences,
shall stand up.

The first and last verse in the selection below takes place at the start of Re:11 and the start of the 1260 days the two witnesses are active and the last verse is also for that same place. The 12 in between are for the Apostles and their stay in Jerusalem until 70AD. 70AD was the time the temple in Re:4 became the active way to repent your sins. Saying the Lord's Prayer will get your prayers heard as they rise as vapor from the altar. Daniel used the same method when he was in exile in Neb's Babylon. The list of things given in the 70 weeks verses should have been experienced during that time. If not the rest of the NT would also be just as valid.

Lu:21:11-25:
And great earthquakes shall be in divers places,
and famines,
and pestilences;
and fearful sights and great signs shall there be from heaven.

But before all these,
they shall lay their hands on you,
and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues,
and into prisons,
being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.
And it shall turn to
you for a testimony.
Settle it therefore in your hearts,
not to meditate before what ye shall answer:
or I will give you a mouth and wisdom,
which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.
And ye shall be betrayed both by parents,
and brethren,
and kinsfolks,
and friends;
and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.
But there shall not an hair of your head perish.
In your patience possess ye your souls.
And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies,
then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.
Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains;
and let them which are in the midst of it depart out;
and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.
For these be the days of vengeance,
that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
But woe unto them that are with child,
and to them that give suck,
in those days!
for there shall be great distress in the land,
and wrath upon this people.
And they shall fall by the edge of the sword,
and shall be led away captive into all nations:
and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles,
until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled.

And there shall be signs in the sun,
and in the moon,
and in the stars;
and upon the earth distress of nations,
with perplexity;
the sea and the waves roaring;

Re:11:1-13:
And there was given me a reed like unto a rod:
and the angel stood,
saying,
Rise,
and measure the temple of God,
and the altar,
and them that worship therein.
But the court which is without the temple leave out,
and measure it not;
for it is given unto the Gentiles:
and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.
And I will give power unto my two witnesses,
and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days,
clothed in sackcloth.



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The part below is establishing who the iron is and who the clay is. Iron is referring to fallen angels, the very ones that had part in the sins committed in Ge:6 that brought on the flood of water. They were put into the Pit by the saints mentioned by Enoch in the book of Jude and by Moses when he referred to it as an historical event. Jude is the best definition for what a fallen angel is in a book just before a long one that references them many times. Clay is referencing mankind and 10 toes are the 10 men that are given kingdoms on the same day the Beast starts his 42 month reign.

Da:2:40-45:
And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron:
forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things:
and as iron that breaketh all these,
shall it break in pieces and bruise.
And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes,
part of potters' clay,
and part of iron,
the kingdom shall be divided;
but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron,
forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
And as the toes of the feet were part of iron,
and part of clay,
so the kingdom shall be partly strong,
and partly broken.
And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay,
they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men:
but they shall not cleave one to another,
even as iron is not mixed with clay.
And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom,
which shall never be destroyed:
and the kingdom shall not be left to other people,
but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms,
and it shall stand for ever.
Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands,
and that it brake in pieces the iron,
the brass,
the clay,
the silver,
and the gold;
the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter:
and the dream is certain,
and the interpretation thereof sure.

2/3 of the Gentiles alive on the day the 7th trump sounds will die in the few hours that follow the resurrection of the two witnesses. What is mentioned had to happen in a period of 1260 days that starts when the 5th trump sounds and end on the day the 7th trump sounds.
In the verse below the whole world surrenders to the Beast at the start of his 42 month rule. Jerusalem only comes under his control for the 4 days the witnesses are dead. The latter time below is 3 1/2 years before and Jerusalem is exempt.

Da:8:23-25:
And in the latter time of their kingdom,
when the transgressors are come to the full,
a king of fierce countenance,
and understanding dark sentences,
shall stand up.
And his power shall be mighty,
but not by his own power:
and he shall destroy wonderfully,
and shall prosper,
and practise,
and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand;
and he shall magnify himself in his heart,
and by peace shall destroy many:
he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes;
but he shall be broken without hand.

All of that has to have a reference in Da:11 and be within the 1260 days that is what 42 months equals. The 5th trump sounding is woe one and 5 months later the 2nd woe begins and 1/3 of all people on the planet

Da:11-2-4:
And now will I shew thee the truth.
Behold,
there shall stand up yet three kings in Persia;
and the fourth shall be far richer than they all:
and by his strength through his riches he shall stir up all against the realm of Grecia.
nd a mighty king shall stand up,
that shall rule with great dominion,
and do according to his will.
And when he shall stand up,
his kingdom shall be broken,
and shall be divided toward the four winds of heaven;
and not to his posterity,
nor according to his dominion which he ruled:
for his kingdom shall be plucked up,
even for others beside those.

The last verse from Da:11 is referencing the day the 7th trumps sounds and the 7 vials are followed by the book of life verses from Re:10.

Satan and the harlot is the king with the daughter. The two witnesses are the people that know God and can do exploits and a few other thing have been meshed but not all of it. Revelations has several chapters that would help filling in the current blanks. The image from Re:13 is the false throne and it is the abomination standing where it should not be.

M't:24:15:
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,
spoken of by Daniel the prophet,
stand in the holy place,
(whoso readeth,
let him understand:)

Da:11:31:
And arms shall stand on his part,
and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength,
and shall take away the daily sacrifice,
and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.

2Th:2:3:
Let no man deceive you by any means:
for that day shall not come,
except there come a falling away first,
and that man of sin be revealed,
the son of perdition;
2Th:2:4:
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God,
or that is worshipped;
so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God,
shewing himself that he is God.

Re:18:8:
Therefore shall her plagues come in one day,
death,
and mourning,
and famine;
and she shall be utterly burned with fire:
for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

The day of the lord passages will fill in what I am leaving out at the present.


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These verses contain details about who the Beast from the Pit is. To be released from the Pit he had to be put there first. Fallen angels are the 'sons of God' mentioned in Ge:6. Being immortal the flood would not have killed them, the flood was to kill their children, the 6 fingered giants mentioned in Scripture. The wives of Noah's 3 sons were female giants and that is how they existed until the exodus wars. Angels are under the Law given in Re:21 and when the last giant died that Law died also and it was replaced by the 10 Commandments. Those 10 Laws are there for the whole time it takes for 2 bruises to be completed.
The cross was all things fulfilled concerning the bruise to the heel of the 'seed of Eve' and when Jesus said, 'It is finished.' moments before he died. When He says, 'It is done.' as He pours out the last vial that is referencing the completion of all things to do with the bruise to the serpent's head. That is Satan being chained up and sent to the same pit all fallen angels are at the moment. Enoch gave the prophecy and Moses confirmed that it was a past event.

Jude:1:14:
And Enoch also,
the seventh from Adam,
prophesied of these,
saying, Behold,
the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

De:33:2:
And he said,
The LORD came from Sinai,
and rose up from Seir unto them;
he shined forth from mount Paran,
and he came with ten thousands of saints:

from his right hand went a fiery law for them.

Satan is the falling star in the verse that indicated the 5th trump has sounded and the Beast is who is released from the Bottomless Pit. Together God gives then 42 months (1260 literal days) to fulfill the tribulation that must be fulfilled. (the latter days from De:4:30 prophecy)

Re:9:11:
And they had a king over them,
which is the angel of the bottomless pit,
whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon,
but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

The counting of the kings starts back in Daniel. The few verses at the start of Re:13 is a reference to all of Da:7 and those beasts are referencing the kings that are aligned with the 4 metal kingdoms in Da:2 Neb is the 1st king and he is referenced as the 'head of gold'. He is a foreshadow of Christ as he is called the 'king of kings' and Christ is known as the 'KING OF KINGS' in Re:19. That is the first day of His return.

Re:17:10-12:
And there are seven kings:
five are fallen,
and one is,
and the other is not yet come;
and when he cometh,
he must continue a short space.
And the beast that was,
and is not,
even he is the eighth,
and is of the seven,
and goeth into perdition.
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings,
which have received no kingdom as yet;
but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Neb= 1st king from the head of gold kingdom

Da:2:37:
Thou,
O king,
art a king of kings:
for the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom,
power,
and strength,
and glory.

Da:2:38:
And wheresoever the children of men dwell,
the beasts of the field and the fowls of the heaven hath he given into thine hand,
and hath made thee ruler over them all.
Thou art this head of gold.

Da:4:37:
Now I Nebuchadnezzar praise and extol and honour the King of heaven,
all whose works are truth,
and his ways judgment:
and those that walk in pride he is able to abase.

The silver kingdom has 2 kings. It begins when Neb's son is killed.

2nd king
Da:5:30-31:
In that night was Belshazzar the king of the Chaldeans slain.
And Darius the Median took the kingdom,
being about threescore and two years old.

3rd king
Da:6:28:
So this Daniel prospered in the reign of Darius,
and in the reign of Cyrus the Persian.

4th king
Da:8:21-22:
And the rough goat is the king of Grecia:
and the great horn that is between his eyes is the first king.
Now that being broken,
whereas four stood up for it,
four kingdoms shall stand up out of the nation,
but not in his power.

The part above is Neb representing Greece and only 1 of the 4 Generals ruled over Jerusalem and it was overthrown by the time Rome took control.

5th king loses control of Jerusalem to Rome. Rome is the 6th king (the one that is) and the NT was written during that rule)

Da:8:9-12:
And out of one of them came forth a little horn,
which waxed exceeding great,
toward the south,
and toward the east,
and toward the pleasant land.
And it waxed great,
even to the host of heaven;
and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground,
and stamped upon them.
Yea,
he magnified himself even to the prince of the host,
and by him the daily sacrifice was taken away,
and the place of his sanctuary was cast down.
And an host was given him against the daily sacrifice by reason of transgression,
and it cast down the truth to the ground;
and it practised,
and prospered.

Daniel 8 is about the brass kingdom and it ends with the iron/clay kingdom beginning. That is on the day the 5th trump in Re:9 sounds. Alexander the Great is the 4th king and his rule through Greece lasted only a few weeks and then a general continued that rule. They lost control to who would be the 5th king and that king would have lost to to Rome in about 63BC. Rome's 500 year reign fulfills the DA:2 determination that the brass becomes a great dominion. The verses below cover that 500 year reign and Luke:21:24 shows it was the king over Jerusalem in 70AD when the 'time of the Gentiles' starts and when Re:11 starts there is 42 months left of the brass rule over Jerusalem. The two witnesses fulfill that role and God allows Satan and the Beast to be the kings over Jerusalem during that time. Jerusalem means 'City of God' and during the 4 days Satan and the Beast control that ground it is know as Satan's Babylon. Jerusalem is the only part of the earth not under their control once the 42 months starts. The first 4 trumps sound in 4 days and that puts the world under Martial Law. The red sword seal is a prophecy that show the sword left to the rulers of the nations in Romans:11 is used against the same people it was supposed to be protecting from evil

Re:17:10-12:
And there are seven kings:
five are fallen,
and one is,
and the other is not yet come;
and when he cometh,
he must continue a short space.
And the beast that was,
and is not,
even he is the eighth,
and is of the seven,
and goeth into perdition.
And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings,
which have received no kingdom as yet;
but receive power as kings one hour with the beast.

Satan is the 7th king and he rules during the 5 months that it takes for the 5th trump to be fulfilled and then the Beast acts as the next king, the 8th one. The healed wound is referencing his kingdom being taken from during the flood and it being restored for the final tribulation. 42 months is what all of Da:11 covers and 5 months for the 5th trump and 37 months (1110 days) for the 6th trump to unflod. It's last day is the day the 7th trump sounds and on that day Christs sends the Beast and the False Prophet to the fiery lake. Satan is sent to the Pit, all sinners are sent to the grave, specifically hell as they are dead but still awake like Jonas was. Both references below are covering the same event, the transition from the brass kingdom to the start of the iron/clay kingdom and the 3 1/2 years it will last. The last verse in Da;11 is the same event the 3rd woe verses in Re:11 are referencing.

Da:8:23-25:
And in the latter time of their kingdom,
when the transgressors are come to the full,
a king of fierce countenance,
and understanding dark sentences,
shall stand up.
And his power shall be mighty,
but not by his own power:
and he shall destroy wonderfully,
and shall prosper,
and practise,
and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.
And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand;
and he shall magnify himself in his heart,
and by peace shall destroy many:
he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes;
but he shall be broken without hand.

Da:11:3:
And a mighty king shall stand up,
that shall rule with great dominion,
and do according to his will.


This helps understand who the harlot in Re:17 is aligned to and that related to the king in Da:11 that has a daughter. Satan and the Beast are the kings of the north and south in that chapter so any conflicts are done as a single plan rather than the conflicts being real. We would call them false flags.

Re:13:4-5:
And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast:
and they worshipped the beast,
saying,
Who is like unto the beast?
who is able to make war with him?
And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies;
and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

Names not written means they have not repented. The book of life gets names entered at the time of conception rather than at first breath. Re:10 is the resurrection verses that come with the return and it happens from 3PM to 6PM on the day the 7th trump sounds. Sinners are sent to the grave just before that as all 7 vials are poured out from noon until 2:30 as there is a 1/2 hour of silence between the 2 events and in that time Christ will construct the temple that will serve as the House of Prayer for the 1,000 year reign.

The Beast's rule will also include the construction of a false throne and that is the image in Re:13 as well as what is being referenced in the references below.

Re:13:8:
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him,
whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

Re:13:12:
And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him,
and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast,
whose deadly wound was healed.

Re:13:15:
And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast,
that the image of the beast should both speak,
and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.

2Th:2:3-4:
Let no man deceive you by any means:
for that day shall not come,
except there come a falling away first,
and that man of sin be revealed,
the son of perdition;
Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God,
or that is worshipped;
so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God,
shewing himself that he is God.

M't:24:15-21:
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation,
spoken of by Daniel the prophet,
stand in the holy place,
(whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:
Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
And woe unto them that are with child,
and to them that give suck in those days!
But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter,
neither on the sabbath day:
For then shall be great tribulation,
such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time,
no,
nor ever shall be.

Da:11:31:
And arms shall stand on his part,
and they shall pollute the sanctuary of strength,
and shall take away the daily sacrifice,
and they shall place the abomination that maketh desolate.


This is 4 days before the Beast is sent to the fiery lake.

Re:11:7:
And when they shall have finished their testimony,
the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them,
and shall overcome them,
and kill them.

The mark of the Beast simply means people accept his rule and pick up the rules without argument. Worship cannot happen as the image is not in it's place before the two witnesses are dead in the streets of Jerusalem and God ends that control before any man can worship Satan on a false throne.

Re:13:16-17:
And he causeth all,
both small and great,
rich and poor,
free and bond,
to receive a mark in their right hand,
or in their foreheads:
And that no man might buy or sell,
save he that had the mark,
or the name of the beast,
or the number of his name.

Consumers but things, they do not sell things. It is showing that all people on earth are included in the last tribulation and the 3rd woe alone is referred to as the 'great tribulation as it includes the battle at the start of the 1,000 year reign as well as the wrath at the end of that period.

Re:14:9:
And the third angel followed them,
saying with a loud voice,
If any man worship the beast and his image,
and receive his mark in his forehead,
or in his hand,

Re:14:11:
And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever:
and they have no rest day nor night,
who worship the beast and his image,
and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

In closing, I hope this perks up your interest to the extent you want to here more.


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I'm going to promote that Revelations is written in the same format as Daniel in that a prophecy in a vision is given. Da:2 comes with an explanation and following chapters explain the vision in more detail. Revelation uses the trumps as the explanation. The coals from the altar being tossed onto the earth is the first event that is part of the sequence that is set out for the 'latter days' of De:4:30

Re:6:1:
And I saw when the Lamb opened one of the seals,
and I heard,
as it were the noise of thunder,
one of the four beasts saying,
Come and see.

This would be the start of the day that only God knows when it begins. By start that means at the first prophecy that has to unfold to mark the day starting. The additional verse is a companion verse that pretty much eliminates all other explanations. Christ is the angel with the coals. That is the sealing of the 144,000 from the 12 Tribes , the two witnesses and the ones counted as being in the Re:11 Temple.

Isa:49:2:
And he hath made my mouth like a sharp sword;
in the shadow of his hand hath he hid me,
and made me a polished shaft;
in his quiver hath he hid me;

Re:6:2:
And I saw,
and behold a white horse:
and he that sat on him had a bow;
and a crown was given unto him:
and he went forth conquering,
and to conquer.

Re:7:2:
And I saw another angel ascending from the east,
having the seal of the living God:
and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels,
to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea,
Re:7:3:
Saying,
Hurt not the earth,
neither the sea,
nor the trees,
till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

Re:8:2-6:
And I saw the seven angels which stood before God;
and to them were given seven trumpets.
And another angel came and stood at the altar,
having a golden censer;
and there was given unto him much incense,
that he should offer it with the prayers of all saints upon the golden altar which was before the throne.
And the smoke of the incense,
which came with the prayers of the saints,
ascended up before God out of the angel's hand.
And the angel took the censer,
and filled it with fire of the altar,
and cast it into the earth:
and there were voices,
and thunderings,
and lightnings,
and an earthquake.
And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.

Both the Gentiles in the courtyard and the two witnesses have the same amount of days allotted as 42 months is exactly 1260 days. The beast that kills them starts his 42 months when the 5th trump sounds and the 1260 days is over when the 7th trump sounds and that is on the 4th day after the two witnesses have entered the grave. The points to the first 4 trumps having to sound at the rate of 1 per day for 4 consecutive days and the 5th trump sounds on the 5th day that starts a period of time that runs for 1260 days.
Romans:13 was when Jesus gave the authority to control a sword that was designed to protect the citizens from evil, a red sword is the same sword but it brings evil on the very people it was meant to be protecting

Re:6:3:
And when he had opened the second seal,
I heard the second beast say,
Come and see.
Re:6:4:
And there went out another horse that was red:
and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth,
and that they should kill one another:
and there was given unto him a great sword.

Ro:13:1-4:
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers.
For there is no power but of God:
the powers that be are ordained of God.
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power,
resisteth the ordinance of God:
and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
For rulers are not a terror to good works,
but to the evil.
Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power?
do that which is good,
and thou shalt have praise of the same:
For he is the minister of God to thee for good.
But if thou do that which is evil,
be afraid;
for he beareth not the sword in vain:
for he is the minister of God,
a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

Re:8:7:
The first angel sounded,
and there followed hail and fire mingled with blood,
and they were cast upon the earth:
and the third part of trees was burnt up,
and all green grass was burnt up.

In a literalist fulfillment that would happen so it was fulfilled by the end of the 4th day. The red sword and the black horse (food) points to Military Law being called on a global scale.


Re:6:5:
And when he had opened the third seal,
I heard the third beast say,
Come and see.
And I beheld,
and lo a black horse;
and he that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
Re:6:6:
And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say,
A measure of wheat for a penny,
and three measures of barley for a penny;
and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

That global army surrenders within one four of the 5th trumps sounding and that would be to Satan and the Beast from the PIT, 2 fallen angels that are the iron in Daniel's iron/clay kingdom. The 5th trump is hell on earth for 5 months and the the 37 months (1110 days), death comes to 1/3 of all the people on the planet. The full break-down will be in the 'day of the lord' part. Literalism is still the rule, the 4 fallen angels in the 6th trump manifest into 200M horsemen and their fate is documented quite well

Re:6:7:
And when he had opened the fourth seal,
I heard the voice of the fourth beast say,
Come and see.
Re:6:8:
And I looked,
and behold a pale horse:
and his name that sat on him was Death,
and Hell followed with him.
And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth,
to kill with sword,
and with hunger,
and with death,
and with the beasts of the earth.

Re:9:1-12:
And the fifth angel sounded,
and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth:
and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.
And he opened the bottomless pit;
and there arose a smoke out of the pit,
as the smoke of a great furnace;
and the sun and the air were darkened by reason of the smoke of the pit.
And there came out of the smoke locusts upon the earth:
and unto them was given power,
as the scorpions of the earth have power.
And it was commanded them that they should not hurt the grass of the earth,
neither any green thing,
neither any tree;
but only those men which have not the seal of God in their foreheads.
And to them it was given that they should not kill them,
but that they should be tormented five months:
and their torment was as the torment of a scorpion,
when he striketh a man.
And in those days shall men seek death,
and shall not find it;
and shall desire to die,
and death shall flee from them.
And the shapes of the locusts were like unto horses prepared unto battle;
and on their heads were as it were crowns like gold,
and their faces were as the faces of men.
And they had hair as the hair of women, and their teeth were as the teeth of lions.
And they had breastplates,
as it were breastplates of iron;
and the sound of their wings was as the sound of chariots of many horses running to battle.
And they had tails like unto scorpions,
and there were stings in their tails:
and their power was to hurt men five months.
And they had a king over them,
which is the angel of the bottomless pit,
whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon,
but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.
One woe is past;
and,
behold,
there come two woes more hereafter.

Re:9:13-21:
And the sixth angel sounded,
and I heard a voice from the four horns of the golden altar which is before God,
Saying to the sixth angel which had the trumpet,
Loose the four angels which are bound in the great river Euphrates.
And the four angels were loosed,
which were prepared for an hour,
and a day,
and a month,
and a year,
for to slay the third part of men.
And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand:
and I heard the number of them.
And thus I saw the horses in the vision,
and them that sat on them,
having breastplates of fire,
and of jacinth,
and brimstone:
and the heads of the horses were as the heads of lions;
and out of their mouths issued fire and smoke and brimstone.
By these three was the third part of men killed,
by the fire,
and by the smoke,
and by the brimstone,
which issued out of their mouths.
For their power is in their mouth,
and in their tails:
for their tails were like unto serpents,
and had heads,
and with them they do hurt.
And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands,
that they should not worship devils,
and idols of gold,
and silver,
and brass,
and stone,
and of wood:
which neither can see,
nor hear,
nor walk:
Neither repented they of their murders,
nor of their sorceries,
nor of their fornication,
nor of their thefts.

Re:14:20:
And the winepress was trodden without the city,
and blood came out of the winepress,
even unto the horse bridles,
by the space of a thousand and six hundred furlongs.

Isa:63:3:
I have trodden the winepress alone;
and of the people there was none with me:
for I will tread them in mine anger,
and trample them in my fury;
and their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments,
and I will stain all my raiment.

Eze:39:11-16:
And it shall come to pass in that day,
that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel,
the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea:
and it shall stop the noses of the passengers:
and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude:
and they shall call it The valley of Hamon-gog.
And seven months shall the house of Israel be burying of them,
that they may cleanse the land.
Yea,
all the people of the land shall bury them;
and it shall be to them a renown the day that I shall be glorified,
saith the Lord GOD.
And they shall sever out men of continual employment,
passing through the land to bury with the passengers those that remain upon the face of the earth,
to cleanse it:
after the end of seven months shall they search.
And the passengers that pass through the land,
when any seeth a man's bone,
then shall he set up a sign by it,
till the buriers have buried it in the valley of Hamon-gog.
And also the name of the city shall be Hamonah.
Thus shall they cleanse the land.

Re:20:7:
And when the thousand years are expired,
Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
Re:20:8:
And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth,
Gog and Magog,
to gather them together to battle:
the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.


Re:6:9:
And when he had opened the fifth seal,
I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God,
and for the testimony which they held:
Re:6:10:
And they cried with a loud voice,
saying,
How long,
O Lord,
holy and true,
dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?
Re:6:11:
And white robes were given unto every one of them;
and it was said unto them,
that they should rest yet for a little season,
until their fellowservants also and their brethren,
that should be killed as they were,
should be fulfilled.

Re:11:7-11:
And when they shall have finished their testimony,
the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them,
and shall overcome them,
and kill them.
And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city,
which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt,
where also our Lord was crucified.
And they of the people and kindreds and tongues and nations shall see their dead bodies three days and an half,
and shall not suffer their dead bodies to be put in graves.
And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them,
and make merry,
and shall send gifts one to another;
because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
And after three days and an half the Spirit of life from God entered into them,
and they stood upon their feet;
and great fear fell upon them which saw them.

Re:6:12-17:
And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal,
and, lo,
there was a great earthquake;
and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair,
and the moon became as blood;
And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth,
even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs,
when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together;
and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
And the kings of the earth,
and the great men,
and the rich men,
and the chief captains,
and the mighty men,
and every bondman,
and every free man,
hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;
And said to the mountains and rocks,
Fall on us,
and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne,
and from the wrath of the Lamb:
For the great day of his wrath is come;
and who shall be able to stand?

The 3rd woe is coming when Re:11 ends and the 7 vials are one punishment that is poured on as a collective and it is over in a few hours after it starts. It would be all of Re:16 so I'll skip the expansion part for now.





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