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Should the USA leave NATO?

 
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Meh... fuck you all. You let the London goat fucking mayor make fun of our president.

You can all eat shit.
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We need to walk away and never fucking look back. Simple...and I hope Trump does it.
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Ok I don't want to be rude BUT..... there are things happening here and in the UK.

The RATS are on the move.

Watch the show boys n girls.
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And Australia, without NATO membership has been a consistently reliable military & intelligence partner, willing to put lives on the line & be a Five Eye partner.
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Of course when we say
"GAS, GRASS or ASS"
NOBODY RIDES FOR FREE"
We mean, It does not have to be so much MONEY
But give us SOMETHING for the DEEDS which have VALUE and EXPENCES.
The term was created by true "AMERICANA CULTURE"




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Re: Should the USA leave NATO?
Under the current economic conditions, the USA will never leave NATO, nor many of the other bases around the world. Gold backed dollar?

No, the USA has a military backed dollar.

This, in combination with control of the oil through it being traded largely in USD and our stimulus supplied stock market, makes the dollar the safe haven. Giving the USA banking control over the world.

Take away any one of those factors and of course acts of God and it would be a completely different world.

Don't forget that the US is founded on European principals and by citizens from various countries around Europe.
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Of course when we say
"GAS, GRASS or ASS"
NOBODY RIDES FOR FREE"
We mean, It does not have to be so much MONEY
But give us SOMETHING for the DEEDS which have VALUE and EXPENCES.
The term was created by true "AMERICANA CULTURE"



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Cancel that,
I spoke to the Boss
We want MONEY.
"TRUMP WON"
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by"
'My ego is smaller than yours
Why is abbreviation such a long word
“When seconds MATTER, cops are only minutes away
"Cut out a man's tongue and you dont prove him a liar. It just proves you fear what he has to say"
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Meh... fuck you all. You let the London goat fucking mayor make fun of our president.

You can all eat shit.
 Quoting: Chip


We need to walk away and never fucking look back. Simple...and I hope Trump does it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76591401


Ok I don't want to be rude BUT..... there are things happening here and in the UK.

The RATS are on the move.

Watch the show boys n girls.
 Quoting: RockHard


And Australia, without NATO membership has been a consistently reliable military & intelligence partner, willing to put lives on the line & be a Five Eye partner.
 Quoting: ThereRMeds4That



Please
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Hey Tards, did you know that FIVE GUYS was Bammy the Mooslim in cheefs favorite burger ;0 place?
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Out of NATO and pull the plug on that farce Kosovo with it.
In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

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Normalize every aberrant behavior, bring common all deviancy and let fly the reins of morality and reason, then welcome in that utopia that liberals embrace called communism, that which most Americans with but a shard of ethic would immediately recognize as evil.
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As the title says, I am intrigued to know what the mood is toward NATO on this forum....
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Being how western Europe does not align with American values anymore even though we(The USA) defended them in two world wars they still have zero gratitude and stiff the USA on their part in financing NATO.

Far as I can tell Eastern Europe kicked out all the old Marxists back in the later 1970's and they fled to Western Europe which is why it looks more and more and more like Eastern European values seem to align more with America's values now as apposed to Western European values.
Which by all measures seems to be more anti-christian and anti-freedom than they were just 30 years ago.

Western Europe needs to grow the fuck up because they been sucking off the tit of American money and other aid for 70 years and being those Western European NATO nations are older than even the USA it's time they become adults and pull their own weight in the world.
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Re: Should the USA leave NATO?
Without a doubt !!


hf
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The Greatest Generation.

[link to www.spiegel.de]

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From the linked article; "The total is not the result of deep research in archives across the country. Rather, it is an extrapolation. Gebhardt makes the assumption that 5 percent of the "war children" born to unmarried women in West Germany and West Berlin by the mid-1950s were the product of rape."

"Another estimate, stemming from US criminology professor Robert Lilly, who examined rape cases prosecuted by American military courts, arrived at a number of 11,000 serious sexual assaults committed by November, 1945 -- a disgusting number in its own right."

It's a rough extrapolation based on her assumptions. *eyeroll*
Besides, does a German feminist historian really want to get into a "war crimes" pissing contest?
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according to the Russians, yes

is this a communist board?
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Yes, we provide NATO with everything from weapons to funding, total ripoff for us. Time for the rest of the world to deal with their own bullshit without me having to pay the bill.
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We need to walk away and never fucking look back. Simple...and I hope Trump does it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76591401


Ok I don't want to be rude BUT..... there are things happening here and in the UK.

The RATS are on the move.

Watch the show boys n girls.
 Quoting: RockHard


And Australia, without NATO membership has been a consistently reliable military & intelligence partner, willing to put lives on the line & be a Five Eye partner.
 Quoting: ThereRMeds4That



Please
Half the Tards here only know Five Guys, not Five Eyes and have no idea how to connect >>> .........

Hey Tards, did you know that FIVE GUYS was Bammy the Mooslim in cheefs favorite burger ;0 place?
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yes
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Of course. It's just more anti-American bullshit that rips us off. You ungrateful limeys need to be left out in the wind for a few years. See if you can weather the storm.
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Beware of the Russian trolls


They are pushing a kgb agenda of leaving NATO and civil war in America

2 things Putin wants bad
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We are not 'Russian Trolls".

Are you a CIA plant?

thwak
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Of course. It's just more anti-American bullshit that rips us off. You ungrateful limeys need to be left out in the wind for a few years. See if you can weather the storm.
 Quoting: Chip


Beware of the Russian trolls


They are pushing a kgb agenda of leaving NATO and civil war in America

2 things Putin wants bad
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 73611563


We are not 'Russian Trolls".

Are you a CIA plant?

thwak
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CHing spy here lol

you want soy sauce wit dat huh ?
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Re: Should the USA leave NATO?
Interesting question, and begs the question as to whether NATO is obsolete, as argued in an article in The National Interest a few days ago:

[link to nationalinterest.org]

Clearly, the original purpose of NATO is not as pressing as it once was with the fall of the Warsaw Pact/Soviet Union. Is Russia not a threat at all? Does the US have no interests at all that are protected by NATO?

I have a question; why did candidate Trump say NATO is obsolete and President Trump say NATO “is no longer obsolete”? This and other articles say that President Trump admitted he did not know much about NATO when he first called it “obsolete” when he was candidate Trump.

[link to thehill.com]

I don’t know if that is true, but something changed Trump’s mind, and it is important that we understand that before jumping to conclusions one way or the other about the US leaving NATO or it being obsolete, and specifically if it serves no interest critical to the US? I know I was not happy about other NATO members actions after the US invoked Article 5 after 9/11. Other NATO countries did not do their fair share for “collective defense”, but if the worst happens in Europe the US must be “all in”? Collective defense, one of the bedrock principles of NATO, cuts all ways.

There is absolutely no issue about the NATO members not paying their fair share; it is not even close. Why in 2014 each NATO member had a decade to get to the 2% spending level is beyond me; it should be happening now, and other countries need to step up to the plate both in spending and having military equipment battle ready, in addition to true “collective defense”.

As I said this is an interesting question, and I would love to hear why Trump changed his mind.
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"INTERMISION"



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Re: Should the USA leave NATO?
Without a doubt !!


hf
 Quoting: Forever the Student 75991394


The Greatest Generation.

[link to www.spiegel.de]

flag waver
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From the linked article; "The total is not the result of deep research in archives across the country. Rather, it is an extrapolation. Gebhardt makes the assumption that 5 percent of the "war children" born to unmarried women in West Germany and West Berlin by the mid-1950s were the product of rape."

"Another estimate, stemming from US criminology professor Robert Lilly, who examined rape cases prosecuted by American military courts, arrived at a number of 11,000 serious sexual assaults committed by November, 1945 -- a disgusting number in its own right."

It's a rough extrapolation based on her assumptions. *eyeroll*
Besides, does a German feminist historian really want to get into a "war crimes" pissing contest?
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Of course not. Should save that for the Vietnam War posts and Gulf wars posts.
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"RIGHT OFF YOU GO"
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US should get the EU together and attack Russia, then pull out of NATO.
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Without a doubt !!


hf
 Quoting: Forever the Student 75991394


The Greatest Generation.

[link to www.spiegel.de]

flag waver
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3413846


From the linked article; "The total is not the result of deep research in archives across the country. Rather, it is an extrapolation. Gebhardt makes the assumption that 5 percent of the "war children" born to unmarried women in West Germany and West Berlin by the mid-1950s were the product of rape."

"Another estimate, stemming from US criminology professor Robert Lilly, who examined rape cases prosecuted by American military courts, arrived at a number of 11,000 serious sexual assaults committed by November, 1945 -- a disgusting number in its own right."

It's a rough extrapolation based on her assumptions. *eyeroll*
Besides, does a German feminist historian really want to get into a "war crimes" pissing contest?
 Quoting: ThereRMeds4That


Of course not. Should save that for the Vietnam War posts and Gulf wars posts.
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Russkies did most of the rapin. UK almost none. Among GIs, it was mainly blacks who did that shit.
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Re: Should the USA leave NATO?
Interesting question, and begs the question as to whether NATO is obsolete, as argued in an article in The National Interest a few days ago:

[link to nationalinterest.org]

Clearly, the original purpose of NATO is not as pressing as it once was with the fall of the Warsaw Pact/Soviet Union. Is Russia not a threat at all? Does the US have no interests at all that are protected by NATO?

I have a question; why did candidate Trump say NATO is obsolete and President Trump say NATO “is no longer obsolete”? This and other articles say that President Trump admitted he did not know much about NATO when he first called it “obsolete” when he was candidate Trump.

[link to thehill.com]

I don’t know if that is true, but something changed Trump’s mind, and it is important that we understand that before jumping to conclusions one way or the other about the US leaving NATO or it being obsolete, and specifically if it serves no interest critical to the US? I know I was not happy about other NATO members actions after the US invoked Article 5 after 9/11. Other NATO countries did not do their fair share for “collective defense”, but if the worst happens in Europe the US must be “all in”? Collective defense, one of the bedrock principles of NATO, cuts all ways.

There is absolutely no issue about the NATO members not paying their fair share; it is not even close. Why in 2014 each NATO member had a decade to get to the 2% spending level is beyond me; it should be happening now, and other countries need to step up to the plate both in spending and having military equipment battle ready, in addition to true “collective defense”.

As I said this is an interesting question, and I would love to hear why Trump changed his mind.
 Quoting: NILAW


Trump is surrounded by people who are pro NATO and they influence him, to some degree. That stupid bombing of of Syria is an example of his being influenced. Ultimately, he seems to revert back to his own ideas, though, and I think that accounts for his NATO stance, now, and Europe being worried the US will pull out.

NATO is nothing but a tool of aggression of the globalists. It needs to go.
In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

“Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.”

– Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project


Normalize every aberrant behavior, bring common all deviancy and let fly the reins of morality and reason, then welcome in that utopia that liberals embrace called communism, that which most Americans with but a shard of ethic would immediately recognize as evil.
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I'm sure this will happen. Europe is on the meat platter.
Next worldwar will be in Europe.

But hey, you will come and save us, like then :D
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Hmm, I wasn't aware that the US saved Germany.
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The Greatest Generation.

[link to www.spiegel.de]

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From the linked article; "The total is not the result of deep research in archives across the country. Rather, it is an extrapolation. Gebhardt makes the assumption that 5 percent of the "war children" born to unmarried women in West Germany and West Berlin by the mid-1950s were the product of rape."

"Another estimate, stemming from US criminology professor Robert Lilly, who examined rape cases prosecuted by American military courts, arrived at a number of 11,000 serious sexual assaults committed by November, 1945 -- a disgusting number in its own right."

It's a rough extrapolation based on her assumptions. *eyeroll*
Besides, does a German feminist historian really want to get into a "war crimes" pissing contest?
 Quoting: ThereRMeds4That


Of course not. Should save that for the Vietnam War posts and Gulf wars posts.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3413846


Russkies did most of the rapin. UK almost none. Among GIs, it was mainly blacks who did that shit. And I'm not a racialist.
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US should get the EU together and attack Russia, then pull out of NATO.
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Translation:

US should carry out the Jewish Trotskyite agenda and attack Russia because Jevvs are still mad about the Czars.
In his poem Human Pride, Marx admits that his aim is not to improve the world, reform or revolutionize it, but simply to ruin it and enjoy it being ruined:

With disdain I will throw my gauntlet full in the face of the world,
And see the collapse of this pygmy giant whose fall will not stifle my ardor.
Then will I wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world
And, giving my words an active force, I will feel equal to the Creator.

“Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.”

– Nasseim Haramein, Director of Research for the Resonance Project


Normalize every aberrant behavior, bring common all deviancy and let fly the reins of morality and reason, then welcome in that utopia that liberals embrace called communism, that which most Americans with but a shard of ethic would immediately recognize as evil.
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Without a doubt !!


hf
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The Greatest Generation.

[link to www.spiegel.de]

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 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3413846


From the linked article; "The total is not the result of deep research in archives across the country. Rather, it is an extrapolation. Gebhardt makes the assumption that 5 percent of the "war children" born to unmarried women in West Germany and West Berlin by the mid-1950s were the product of rape."

"Another estimate, stemming from US criminology professor Robert Lilly, who examined rape cases prosecuted by American military courts, arrived at a number of 11,000 serious sexual assaults committed by November, 1945 -- a disgusting number in its own right."

It's a rough extrapolation based on her assumptions. *eyeroll*
Besides, does a German feminist historian really want to get into a "war crimes" pissing contest?
 Quoting: ThereRMeds4That


Of course not. Should save that for the Vietnam War posts and Gulf wars posts.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3413846


It's easy to sit on the sidelines and judge others play when you know you won't be called upon to get in the game with your 20k strong active forces. (Including 4K+ civilians)
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As the title says, I am intrigued to know what the mood is toward NATO on this forum....
 Quoting: EDI87


Fuck NATO!
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Get out of NATO! Form other alliances.
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Lol with who? Thanks for the laugh
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Maybe it's time America stay on their own
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Dump NATO in a second.
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Russian and Eu can link up
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I'm getting tired of arrogant yanks





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