Why the DEA ban of Kratom will hurt us all

Over 40 deaths so far from Kratom usage -- way past time to ban this stuff

How many die from alcohol fuckwit

Why not just put every American in prison when they're born?

It's legal in most of the US States.

The DEA won't be the ones banning it if SITSA passes & Trump signs it. It will create a new drug Schedule named "A". And give the AG, Jeff Sessions unprecedented power to ban over 400 substances including Kratom...

Thread: If SITSA Passes It Will Further Strip Away Your Rights By Creating New Schedule "A" & Give AG Unprecedented Authority Over Substances

Last Edited by COSMIC WARRIOR on 07/21/2018 12:02 PM

Not banned without a major fight my friend.

Americans said that alcohol was dangerous so it must be outlawed.

Americans later found out that alcohol wasn't so bad and should be legal.

Americans then said that marijuana was dangerous so it must be banned.

Americans later found out that pot wasn't so bad and should be legal.

Now Americans scream guns are dangerous so they must be illegal.

If people were wrong before, how can they can be so sure that they are right now?

Dumbass. They also had way more harmful drugs in their system.

You are clearly retarded.

Are you aware the FDA puts out skewed statistics, and includes ANY death where the subject had 'kratom' in his system.

According to the FDA, a GUNSHOT death = kratom death because the guy shot had kratom in his system.

Or 35 cases they had to get from OVERSEAS, because there are NONE in America, which involved TRAMADOL misadulteration as 'kratom'.

Seriously, you are a retard.

The cure for evil and disorder is more liberty, not suppression.

It's never been about Liberty. It's about money.

One wonders if the main point of this decree is to help the elites fill their private prisons.

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They ain't banning the Gardasil vaccine and others, now are they?

Supporting the police state doesn't make you a brave man. Defending tyranny just means that are a disgusting coward and traitor.

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Why is cocaine illegal it's so much fun?

The US is a bankrupt warmongering police state. More debt, wars, and tyranny won't save the US. Debt, wars, and tyranny don't benefit you. Debt, wars, and tyranny benefit the elites.

Debt enriches the elites.

Wars help the ruling class kill off the 99% and makes money for the defense companies.

The police state helps the 1% boost the private prison industry.

One problem with the police state is that every law has unintended consequences.

Banning dogs, baggy pants, and smoking helps fill private prisons and increases government spending and taxes.

How can people resist tyranny if protesting is illegal?

How can people defend themselves without guns?

Why was soda safe 20 years ago, but now is suddenly dangerous?

A society based on the freedom to choose is better than a society based on the principles of socialism, communism, and coercion.

Government laws lead to more crime. If only murder and theft were illegal, obeying the law would be easy, but no one respects the law when everything is illegal.

Most of the problems of today would be solved by embracing what worked in the past.

People were born in the past without birth certificates.

People could travel without passports.

People can learn how to drive without driver licenses.

People could travel without being groped by the TSA.

The government does not need to wiretap people.

Businesses that do not have business licenses will go bankrupt if they provide bad service.

People will not starve if they do not have food stamps.

People can find cheap doctors in the world without Obamacare.

People will not have a vested interest in driving dangerously if there are no liability insurance laws.

People could carry guns, no one had Social Security numbers, and there were no sales, income, or property taxes in the past.

Drugs, alcohol, smoking, gambling, prostitution, sodas, protesting, and mosques were legal before, why can't they be legal now?

The US did not torture in the past, why does the US need to torture now?

The USA had open borders before, why must the US have closed borders now?

If self-serve gas stations can be legal in one place, why can't they be legal everywhere?

If seeing eye dogs are legal in restaurants, why can't all dogs be legal in restaurants?

Would crime rise if everything was legal?

Why do you need the government anyway? Can’t you talk to people who bother you? Could you sue someone? Could you just move away? Can't you protect yourself?

Think.

A free country that went to war with a evil dictatorship should not become a police state. Thieves cannot take the moral high ground and criticize robbers.

The USA is an immoral bankrupt warmongering police state now.

Americans have learned nothing from history.

Americans have no rights anymore and the US is no longer a democracy.

Americans think every problem should be solved by decree and force now, but every solution causes another problem.

Americans think the government is made up of holy men. Americans think anyone becomes a saint when they wear a costume, badge, and a gun.

The solution for problems should be what worked in the past.

Americans say that rent control should be used to reduce high rents instead of reducing regulations.

When regulations lead to a bad economy, Americans think that the homeless should be put in jail and businesses should be given bailouts.

Instead of allowing people to feed the homeless, Americans think feeding the homeless should be outlawed.

Instead of getting rid of welfare that encourages girls to marry the state instead of a man and leads to broken families, Americans think food stamps should be expanded.

Instead of getting rid of minimum wages that cripple the ability of the US to compete on the world market, Americans think the US should increase the minimum wage and start a trade war by enacting tariffs.

When food stamps lead to increased debt, Americans think that taxes should be raised.

Americans think the only way to attend college is to have student loans, but student loans raise the cost of tuition.

Instead of ending wars that lead to terrorism, tyranny, debt, and refugees, Americans think that the wars should be increased.

Instead of arresting sex traffickers, Americans would rather shut down free speech and prostitution.

Americans would rather ban video games instead of arresting murderers.

Instead of allowing the free market to decide what companies are good, Americans would rather shut down monopolies.

Instead of educating people, Americans would rather jail people for using their own property in the wrong way.

Central planning has failed everywhere. China used to encourage people to have kids, but after China became overpopulated, China had an one-child policy.

The USA is supposed to be a free country. The reason the Americans fought the British was because Americans wanted to be free.

When our overlords make a decree, they always sell it as a minor temporary law that only affects Muslims, junkies, sex offenders, homosexuals, illegal immigrants, or blacks. The 1% doesn’t mention that the law will become permanent and more draconian.

No one cares if owning cows are illegal, yoga pants are illegal, teen driving is illegal, or smoking is illegal. The problem is what happens when your job is banned, the government steals your house, tortures your family, or sends you to the concentration camps.

Are you just going to take it?

If tyranny is so wonderful then why do people try to escape North Korea?

Would you rather be locked in a padded room wearing a strait-jacket and have safety or be homeless on a mountain and have freedom?

The elites are trying today to make Americans dependent children by outlawing everything and giving them food stamps. Once Americans are weakened and the US Ponzi economy implodes, the ruling class will then send the 99% off to the gulags to be starved and killed.

Governments are not kind. Governments have killed millions of people in Nazi concentration camps, Soviet gulags, the Chinese Great Leap Forward, and the Cambodian killing fields.

Liberty is not something that only benefits other people, but not you. Freedom benefits everyone.

Tyranny is not something that only punishes other people, but not you. Tyranny punishes everyone.

Freedom is good.

Tyranny is bad.

This is no joke.

History repeats and the signs are everywhere.

Anyone who supports the government is just a tool of the elites.

Wake up.

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Americans seem to have forgotten US history.

Americans either believe the USA is the most free country in the world or think that the US never was a free country.

No one remembers that the US used to have freedom, but lost it.

Tried Kratom for first time today & see no reason at all why it should be banned. Unless that is if you are a pharmcutical company...

WRONG! The very few deaths where kratom was in the system, the people had other lethal chemicals in their body that caused death, not kratom. Research!!!

I've been smoking weed since I was 14, the illegality of it doesn't bother me whatsoever, I grow my own & do not sell it nor carry it away from my home. Kratom erases my urge to drink, erases depression, pain as well as OCD, although I do not have the latter, my sister did and Kratom is the only thing that helps her.

You're wrong dude.

..WASHINGTON, DC – July 30, 2018 – In a recent update of its official position on the botanical kratom, the National Institute of Drug Abuse (NIDA) affirmed that, “Kratom by itself is not associated with fatal overdose,” explaining that only when the natural ingredient is contaminated or “laced with other compounds” has it been associated with deaths.

NIDA’s position clarifies and corrects an earlier statement by FDA Commissioner Scott Gottlieb that kratom has been associated with 44 deaths—sufficient, in his opinion, to justify placing the botanical on the Federal Drug Enforcement Agency’s (DEA) schedule that would prohibit kratom’s distribution and use, even in its pure form.

“NIDA’s position does not come as a surprise,” said Dave Herman, Chairman of the American Kratom Association (AKA), which is committed to protecting the rights of consumers who use kratom safely and successfully. “The data used by the FDA to make its original claim are clear that the adverse reactions were caused by adulterated or contaminated kratom, polydrug use, or unrelated underlying health conditions of the decedent. NIDA’s statement is consistent with these findings, and we call upon the two agencies to work together to remove the FDA’s scheduling recommendation for pure kratom and focus on protecting the rights of Americans who rely on it by removing adulterated and dangerous counterfeit products from the market.”

Not only is the US a police state, Americans say that they live in a free country, beg for their chains by asking for more laws, and censor anyone who defends freedom.

Warning ungrateful Americans about the dangers of tyranny today is like yelling to your roommates that the apartment is on fire and being told to shut up while they pour gas on the furniture.

Enslaved Americans worship their beloved government so much now that they look like the Russians who cried when Stalin died.

Americans insist that tyranny won't get worse when history has shown that it certainly will. All the lines have been crossed.

Every minute the tyranny, war, and debt continues will result in a bloodier revolution when the US Ponzi economy implodes.

One hopes that patriots are taking down the names of the elites and politicians to be used when the US house of a cards crumbles.

The USA is so far gone now that freedom loving patriots don't know if they should do more to save the country or cheer the collapse.

When our overlords start WWIII with China, Russia, North Korea, and Iran, patriots will wonder which side they should take.

The collapse of the US is just absolutely disgusting and shameful to watch.

Jeff Sessions????

UTTER BULLSHIT!! IT'S IMPOSSIBLE TO OVERDOSE ON IT!!! LIES LIES LIES! EANNA BAN SOMETHING THAT'S REALLY HARMFUL? STOP THE U.S.GOVT FROM IMPORTING THAT DEADLY HEROIN FROM AFGHANISTAN !!! THE HEROIN PROBLEM BEGAN AS SOON AS WE STARTED TAKING OVER THE OPIUM POPPY TRADE THERE! COINCIDENCE????? THEY WANT US DYING FROM EITHER THEIR DANGEROUS HEROIN OR TAKING THEIR PHARMA POISON, NOT TREATING OURSELVES WITH A SAFE AND RISK FREE PLANT LIKE KRATOM....SIMPLE TRUTH.

Does anyone get the feeling that anyone supporting the police state now is a paid NSA shill?

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