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Pilgrim001 User ID: 75732347 United States 08/03/2018 02:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | How anyone can look at the complexity of the human body and say it just happened is a fool. Even if you don't believe in God, we were definitely "constructed" Any subset within the human body is amazing. The Eye, alone, is an engineering marvel. When an eye is joined by another in Stereo vision, Depth percept results and a clearer picture. Evil lutionist would have you believe it all started with a light sensitive mole on the skin. LOL The Human body is an amazing thing. It's not perfect, but damn it's good. Whether we have a soul or not, is up to you, but it's undeniable that we are a an engineering marvel. We are self-replicating machines. That we might adapt to certain things isn't an indication of evil ution, but testimony to the greatness and adaptability of the original model. I don't have the time or the crayons to explain this to you. Slake Blake |
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Tumbler User ID: 76792921 United Kingdom 08/03/2018 03:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A good example of what, in aggregate , is 'Trickle Down' Disclosure . As we can see here in this thread , the likely truth is far too much for certain groups of people to handle in a balanced way . For many, change is something very difficult and painful to accommodate and the type of person who fits , for example , the Fundamentalist or 'Bible Literal 'name tags clearly struggle , as their whole world view is threatened . Rightly or wrongly it has been decided that rather than risk hysteria and violence on a widespread scale , it is better to reveal matters step by step and little by little. Very understandable unless you are highly impatient and also sufficiently balanced and flexible to absorb fundamental changes in outlook and a revision of history in many areas . Tumbler |
plzxplain User ID: 76795396 Australia 08/03/2018 03:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And my largest frustration in any debate is how the subject matter gets framed. Quoting: Harry The Dog Darwin's book was titled "The Origin Of Species." He postulated that evolution within a species somehow leads to THE CREATION OF NEW SPECIES. Over time we have all accepted that EVOLUTION is real. AND IT IS! Humans in sunny, hot environments are very different from humans in cold, sun-starved environments. Evolution within species is undeniable; however, evolution as a means of explaining origins of new species is ludicrous. Evolution within species is not called Evolution it's called adaptation meaning that the human being is still a human and always will be a human it doesn't change into another species. Instead it is written in the Human genome to have the abiñity to adapt to different environmemtal conditions as a means of protección. if I were to go to a hotter climate in Africa my skin would darken but I would still be a human and a part of the human family the DNA is a code whatever it says you are you are. You would 'adapt' Adaptation refers to the process wherein certain groups or individuals change their ways in order to be better suited to their environment and habitat. This is change is needed so that they can survive and maintain normal functioning in their community. For example, during winters or cold days, individuals learn to alter their homes and personal clothes to be able to live through the chilling temperatures. Read more: Difference Between Adaptation and Evolution | Difference Between [link to www.differencebetween.net] Over a very long period of time, your bloodline would 'evolve' : Evolution, though, takes a long time. It is a process in which the genetic structure and physical anatomy change in relation to the changes happening in the environment. It does not occur overnight, but invokes generations in order to turn out into the best being suitable. Human beings are indeed an example, as evidenced from our ancestors the Homo erectus, to Homo sapiens, or basically, us. We are the proof of evolution. Hers another example, your nose lol it will eventually change genetically, become broader [link to www.smithsonianmag.com (secure)] |
mushufasa11 User ID: 76590430 United States 08/03/2018 03:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Even if Darwinian evolution is indeed the general framework that more or less drives life/speciation, there will be intricacies that we humans cannot comprehend. Human's are not very good at context. The idea of change occurring over thousands or millions of years is very difficult to conceive. Nature is vast with many secrets and we have already been caught time and time again as being negligent to how interconnected all species are. Our sciences ultimately form man-made conclusions that are not "fact" or "truth" but rather speculative opinion. Quoting: mushufasa11 That is to say it is as equally speculative as any other "theory" that man can conclude. Can you live without having a belief in the matter? Should we not try to live in harmony with nature no matter what the theory? We have laws of science, such as the laws of thermodynamics, biogenesis, etc Evolution violates these laws If you keep studying you will see that the universe is incredibly fine-tuned, and it could not have happened by random chance. These laws have held up and served our needs pretty well since being implemented in civilization. I would question whether these are universally built-in laws that were "discovered." Perhaps the universe does tend to behave this way for the most part, but there is probably more to the story. I never said anything happened by random chance. The dichotomy between random chance and creation is an example of taking data and arriving at an inevitably short-minded conclusion. |
plzxplain User ID: 76795396 Australia 08/03/2018 03:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A good example of what, in aggregate , is 'Trickle Down' Disclosure . Quoting: Tumbler As we can see here in this thread , the likely truth is far too much for certain groups of people to handle in a balanced way . For many, change is something very difficult and painful to accommodate and the type of person who fits , for example , the Fundamentalist or 'Bible Literal 'name tags clearly struggle , as their whole world view is threatened . Rightly or wrongly it has been decided that rather than risk hysteria and violence on a widespread scale , it is better to reveal matters step by step and little by little. Very understandable unless you are highly impatient and also sufficiently balanced and flexible to absorb fundamental changes in outlook and a revision of history in many areas . Well said, and that is why most 'truths' will not be revealed. (and why people get red karma, lol for even daring to consider, that some 'book/s', may be www . rr . o . n . g . . |
Drunkenkungfu User ID: 76605784 Australia 08/03/2018 03:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And my largest frustration in any debate is how the subject matter gets framed. Quoting: Harry The Dog Darwin's book was titled "The Origin Of Species." He postulated that evolution within a species somehow leads to THE CREATION OF NEW SPECIES. Over time we have all accepted that EVOLUTION is real. AND IT IS! Humans in sunny, hot environments are very different from humans in cold, sun-starved environments. Evolution within species is undeniable; however, evolution as a means of explaining origins of new species is ludicrous. Evolution within species is not called Evolution it's called adaptation meaning that the human being is still a human and always will be a human it doesn't change into another species. Instead it is written in the Human genome to have the abiñity to adapt to different environmemtal conditions as a means of protección. if I were to go to a hotter climate in Africa my skin would darken but I would still be a human and a part of the human family the DNA is a code whatever it says you are you are. You would 'adapt' Adaptation refers to the process wherein certain groups or individuals change their ways in order to be better suited to their environment and habitat. This is change is needed so that they can survive and maintain normal functioning in their community. For example, during winters or cold days, individuals learn to alter their homes and personal clothes to be able to live through the chilling temperatures. Read more: Difference Between Adaptation and Evolution | Difference Between [link to www.differencebetween.net] Over a very long period of time, your bloodline would 'evolve' : Evolution, though, takes a long time. It is a process in which the genetic structure and physical anatomy change in relation to the changes happening in the environment. It does not occur overnight, but invokes generations in order to turn out into the best being suitable. Human beings are indeed an example, as evidenced from our ancestors the Homo erectus, to Homo sapiens, or basically, us. We are the proof of evolution. Hers another example, your nose lol it will eventually change genetically, become broader [link to www.smithsonianmag.com (secure)] Everything is, Our current line of life is quiet extensive, 11:11 |
SDF880 User ID: 69153735 United States 08/03/2018 03:18 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OK I give so we are God's cosmic petri dish of DNA/RNA, amino acid, cells, etc so great I am nothing but his cosmic experiment! If that is so is that any worse than being the latest in evolution? You all are just scared, have answers based only in faith yet we are here and now so one of us is right! 60+ years on this planet I have seen zero evidence of any God! I don't need to explain things seems I have no choice but witness it and live life best I can! I'll figure it out when I get there! Peace Goldie did you say attack plan "R"? |
Pilgrim001 User ID: 75732347 United States 08/03/2018 09:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | 500+ Renowned Scientists Jointly Share Why They Reject Darwin’s Theory of Evolution Quoting: (:-DeeZe snip.... "As a biochemist and software developer who works in genetic and metabolic screening, I am continually amazed by the incredible complexity of life. For example, each of us has a vast ‘computer program’ of six billion DNA bases in every cell that guided our development from a fertilized egg, specifies how to make more than 200 tissue types, and ties all this together in numerous highly functional organ systems. Few people outside of genetics or biochemistry realize that evolutionists still can provide no substantive details at all about the origin of life, and particularly the origin of genetic information in the first self-replicating organism. What genes did it require — or did it even have genes? How much DNA and RNA did it have — or did it even have nucleic acids? How did huge information-rich molecules arise before natural selection? Exactly how did the genetic code linking nucleic acids to amino acid sequence originate? Clearly the origin of life — the foundation of evolution – is still virtually all speculation, and little if no fact." [link to www.collective-evolution.com (secure)] Fuck darwin fuck everything nothing not even the bible explains what the fuck we are or anything i seen a small fly the other day it was so fucking small there is no way in HELL that shit just made it self out of nothing its so deep and complicated i dunno what the hell to believe what the hell is the sun what is space what the hell is water why are we even here what is this? I believe you've hit the nail on the head. We know nothing and there is no way to really know anything. The answers in the Bible really aren't satisfactory and it is "channeled" information, so what is left? Nothing. To me, it's really plain that we are a created mechanism, but, beyond that, ??? Who are we? What are we? Where are we? Who made us? I don't have the time or the crayons to explain this to you. Slake Blake |
Pilgrim001 User ID: 75732347 United States 08/03/2018 10:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Laugh, Scoff, Do what you will, but I've never read a better explanation of it all than from reading the Nurse's story in Alien Interview. [link to exopoliticshongkong.com] You say that it's impossible that "the alien" could telepathically send it's thoughts to the nurse? Well, that's how we got the Bible. Last Edited by Bennder on 08/03/2018 10:02 AM I don't have the time or the crayons to explain this to you. Slake Blake |
Harry The Dog User ID: 52680061 United States 08/03/2018 10:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | And my largest frustration in any debate is how the subject matter gets framed. Quoting: Harry The Dog Darwin's book was titled "The Origin Of Species." He postulated that evolution within a species somehow leads to THE CREATION OF NEW SPECIES. Over time we have all accepted that EVOLUTION is real. AND IT IS! Humans in sunny, hot environments are very different from humans in cold, sun-starved environments. Evolution within species is undeniable; however, evolution as a means of explaining origins of new species is ludicrous. Evolution within species is not called Evolution it's called adaptation meaning that the human being is still a human and always will be a human it doesn't change into another species. Instead it is written in the Human genome to have the abiñity to adapt to different environmemtal conditions as a means of protección. if I were to go to a hotter climate in Africa my skin would darken but I would still be a human and a part of the human family the DNA is a code whatever it says you are you are. You would 'adapt' Adaptation refers to the process wherein certain groups or individuals change their ways in order to be better suited to their environment and habitat. This is change is needed so that they can survive and maintain normal functioning in their community. For example, during winters or cold days, individuals learn to alter their homes and personal clothes to be able to live through the chilling temperatures. Read more: Difference Between Adaptation and Evolution | Difference Between [link to www.differencebetween.net] Over a very long period of time, your bloodline would 'evolve' : Evolution, though, takes a long time. It is a process in which the genetic structure and physical anatomy change in relation to the changes happening in the environment. It does not occur overnight, but invokes generations in order to turn out into the best being suitable. Human beings are indeed an example, as evidenced from our ancestors the Homo erectus, to Homo sapiens, or basically, us. We are the proof of evolution. Hers another example, your nose lol it will eventually change genetically, become broader [link to www.smithsonianmag.com (secure)] I can agree with all of this, but it does nothing to prove that evolution is the causative mechanism for the origin of new species. |
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ToSeek User ID: 9653749 United States 08/03/2018 11:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The origin of life is a separate issue. Evolution only deals with what happened after life began. Quoting: ToSeek Lol.... that's where the theory of evolution completely falls apart though so you guys totally discard that part ... great science there ... lol The theory of evolution only comes into play once organisms start reproducing. It's irrelevant before then. It would be like saying a professional race car driver is incompetent because he can't build his own car - his expertise only comes into play once the car is built and ready to drive. |
ToSeek User ID: 9653749 United States 08/03/2018 11:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here (PDF download): [link to www.discovery.org] If you see the names of any scientists sufficiently "renowned" that you recognize them, please let me know. |
TheLordsServant User ID: 76810300 United States 08/03/2018 12:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here (PDF download): [link to www.discovery.org] If you see the names of any scientists sufficiently "renowned" that you recognize them, please let me know. How many of the 1400 would anyone consider as "renowned"? And to make things a little harder on themselves, they only asked scientists named "Steve." They're up to 1427 signatures and counting. ( [link to ncse.com (secure)] ) Quoting: ToSeek It would also be interesting to see how many of these 1400 are "devout atheists". How many of them are afraid to sign the other list based on previous attempts by "devout Darwinists" to blacklist anyone who disagrees with the Darwin "theory"? Darwinsim is a religion unto itself. I am a humble Servant of the one True Living God. |
ToSeek User ID: 9653749 United States 08/03/2018 01:25 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No one claimed that the "Project Steve" list was composed of renowned scientists, unlike the OP and the list of 500. But there are some, anyway: Stephen Hawking (Steve #300) Steven Weinberg (Nobel Prize in Physics, 1979) Steven Chu (Nobel Prize in Physics, 1997) |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 76809044 United States 08/03/2018 06:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | No one claimed that the "Project Steve" list was composed of renowned scientists, unlike the OP and the list of 500. But there are some, anyway: Stephen Hawking (Steve #300) Steven Weinberg (Nobel Prize in Physics, 1979) Steven Chu (Nobel Prize in Physics, 1997) here is a one page speech that Hawking gave that addresses what you say. [link to www.hawking.org.uk] |
Expose ALL Shills User ID: 75409848 United States 08/03/2018 11:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Even if Darwinian evolution is indeed the general framework that more or less drives life/speciation, there will be intricacies that we humans cannot comprehend. Human's are not very good at context. The idea of change occurring over thousands or millions of years is very difficult to conceive. Nature is vast with many secrets and we have already been caught time and time again as being negligent to how interconnected all species are. Our sciences ultimately form man-made conclusions that are not "fact" or "truth" but rather speculative opinion. Quoting: mushufasa11 That is to say it is as equally speculative as any other "theory" that man can conclude. Can you live without having a belief in the matter? Should we not try to live in harmony with nature no matter what the theory? We have laws of science, such as the laws of thermodynamics, biogenesis, etc Evolution violates these laws If you keep studying you will see that the universe is incredibly fine-tuned, and it could not have happened by random chance. These laws have held up and served our needs pretty well since being implemented in civilization. I would question whether these are universally built-in laws that were "discovered." Perhaps the universe does tend to behave this way for the most part, but there is probably more to the story. I never said anything happened by random chance. The dichotomy between random chance and creation is an example of taking data and arriving at an inevitably short-minded conclusion. They are called laws for a reason, not because they serve human needs. We should be teaching Biogenesis in the schools as fact, not abiogenesis. Evolution is a tax-funded religion and nothing more. live and die for Christ |
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Kakarot_ User ID: 76796294 Australia 08/04/2018 08:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Did the ERV spontaneously arise from mud and rocks? You are back where you started, with nothing. ERVs are indirect evidence of evolution, common descent. Retroviruses make a DNA copy of their RNA genome and then insert it into a random position in the host out of 3 billion positions, if its in a germline cell the host's offspring will have the ERV instead and if this offspring reproduces, its offspring will also have the ERV in the exact same position, this will keep repeating over and over every generation, which is why humans and chimps share 99.9% of their ERV insertions in the exact same position with the exact same mutations. It is literally impossible for evolution to not exist due to this. (99.9% is 203,000 ERV insertions shared between humans and chimps) Last Edited by Kakarot_ on 08/04/2018 08:57 AM |
Expose ALL Shills User ID: 75409848 United States 08/04/2018 01:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Did the ERV spontaneously arise from mud and rocks? You are back where you started, with nothing. ERVs are indirect evidence of evolution, common descent. Retroviruses make a DNA copy of their RNA genome and then insert it into a random position in the host out of 3 billion positions, if its in a germline cell the host's offspring will have the ERV instead and if this offspring reproduces, its offspring will also have the ERV in the exact same position, this will keep repeating over and over every generation, which is why humans and chimps share 99.9% of their ERV insertions in the exact same position with the exact same mutations. It is literally impossible for evolution to not exist due to this. (99.9% is 203,000 ERV insertions shared between humans and chimps) The ERV still has genetic material, right? I believe you are confusing amino acids with nucleic acids. They are not the same. live and die for Christ |
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Expose ALL Shills User ID: 75409848 United States 08/05/2018 04:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Wow, 500 scientists? lol Quoting: Spur-Man I can give you a list of 500 scientists named Peter who accept evolution. Do it, provide some names and you will see them backtracking away from some of the things which are still taught as fact in the public schools. The most common excuse is 'evolution only deals with what happened after life appeared' or some form of that. live and die for Christ |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 76809044 United States 08/05/2018 04:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Did the ERV spontaneously arise from mud and rocks? You are back where you started, with nothing. ERVs are indirect evidence of evolution, common descent. Retroviruses make a DNA copy of their RNA genome and then insert it into a random position in the host out of 3 billion positions, if its in a germline cell the host's offspring will have the ERV instead and if this offspring reproduces, its offspring will also have the ERV in the exact same position, this will keep repeating over and over every generation, which is why humans and chimps share 99.9% of their ERV insertions in the exact same position with the exact same mutations. It is literally impossible for evolution to not exist due to this. (99.9% is 203,000 ERV insertions shared between humans and chimps) The ERV still has genetic material, right? I believe you are confusing amino acids with nucleic acids. They are not the same. the 4 basic Amino Acids are basic for all DNA |
Kakarot_ User ID: 76796294 Australia 08/05/2018 10:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Did the ERV spontaneously arise from mud and rocks? You are back where you started, with nothing. ERVs are indirect evidence of evolution, common descent. Retroviruses make a DNA copy of their RNA genome and then insert it into a random position in the host out of 3 billion positions, if its in a germline cell the host's offspring will have the ERV instead and if this offspring reproduces, its offspring will also have the ERV in the exact same position, this will keep repeating over and over every generation, which is why humans and chimps share 99.9% of their ERV insertions in the exact same position with the exact same mutations. It is literally impossible for evolution to not exist due to this. (99.9% is 203,000 ERV insertions shared between humans and chimps) The ERV still has genetic material, right? I believe you are confusing amino acids with nucleic acids. They are not the same. ERVs contain the retrovirus genes GAG POL ENV. As well as the Long Terminal Repeats, LTRs, which are formed during reverse transcription, the process retroviruses use to make a DNA copy of their RNA genome. The LTRs are both sides of the ERVs, just like they see today when todays retroviruses do the same thing. The 2 LTRs in each ERV have to be completely, 100% identical at the time of insertion. So when they look at the LTRs in each ERV, they are able to see the how old the ERVs are compared to the other ERVs. The more divergence of the mutations between the 2 LTRs in each ERV shows how old they are compared to the other pairs of LTRs in the other ERVs. The more divergence of the LTRs, the older they are, the more mutation difference between each LTR in each ERV. When they look at the same LTRs in multiple species, it shows how closely related the species are. Since the LTRs are more identical in chimps with humans, than with gorillas and humans, they know chimps and humans are more closely related than with gorillas and humans. And that gorillas and humans are more closely related than with old world monkeys and humans. It shows chimps and humans share a common ancestor more recently than with gorillas and humans. This proves evolution as it is impossible for humans and chimps to share ERVs without evolution, as ERVs are retrovirus insertions and that they KNOW they are retrovirus insertions due to the LTRs which are formed during reverse transcription, the process retroviruses use to make a DNA copy of their RNA genome. And that, they contain retrovirus genes.. |
Expose ALL Shills User ID: 75409848 United States 08/05/2018 11:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Expose ALL Shills Did the ERV spontaneously arise from mud and rocks? You are back where you started, with nothing. ERVs are indirect evidence of evolution, common descent. Retroviruses make a DNA copy of their RNA genome and then insert it into a random position in the host out of 3 billion positions, if its in a germline cell the host's offspring will have the ERV instead and if this offspring reproduces, its offspring will also have the ERV in the exact same position, this will keep repeating over and over every generation, which is why humans and chimps share 99.9% of their ERV insertions in the exact same position with the exact same mutations. It is literally impossible for evolution to not exist due to this. (99.9% is 203,000 ERV insertions shared between humans and chimps) The ERV still has genetic material, right? I believe you are confusing amino acids with nucleic acids. They are not the same. ERVs contain the retrovirus genes GAG POL ENV. As well as the Long Terminal Repeats, LTRs, which are formed during reverse transcription, the process retroviruses use to make a DNA copy of their RNA genome. The LTRs are both sides of the ERVs, just like they see today when todays retroviruses do the same thing. The 2 LTRs in each ERV have to be completely, 100% identical at the time of insertion. So when they look at the LTRs in each ERV, they are able to see the how old the ERVs are compared to the other ERVs. The more divergence of the mutations between the 2 LTRs in each ERV shows how old they are compared to the other pairs of LTRs in the other ERVs. The more divergence of the LTRs, the older they are, the more mutation difference between each LTR in each ERV. When they look at the same LTRs in multiple species, it shows how closely related the species are. Since the LTRs are more identical in chimps with humans, than with gorillas and humans, they know chimps and humans are more closely related than with gorillas and humans. And that gorillas and humans are more closely related than with old world monkeys and humans. It shows chimps and humans share a common ancestor more recently than with gorillas and humans. This proves evolution as it is impossible for humans and chimps to share ERVs without evolution, as ERVs are retrovirus insertions and that they KNOW they are retrovirus insertions due to the LTRs which are formed during reverse transcription, the process retroviruses use to make a DNA copy of their RNA genome. And that, they contain retrovirus genes.. This is the old tired argument of common design vs common descent. Once you are able to show that genetic material can arise magically from a few non-chiral amino acids, then come back and say evolution is possible. Until then you still have nothing. live and die for Christ |
Kakarot_ User ID: 76796294 Australia 08/06/2018 04:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Kakarot_ ERVs are indirect evidence of evolution, common descent. Retroviruses make a DNA copy of their RNA genome and then insert it into a random position in the host out of 3 billion positions, if its in a germline cell the host's offspring will have the ERV instead and if this offspring reproduces, its offspring will also have the ERV in the exact same position, this will keep repeating over and over every generation, which is why humans and chimps share 99.9% of their ERV insertions in the exact same position with the exact same mutations. It is literally impossible for evolution to not exist due to this. (99.9% is 203,000 ERV insertions shared between humans and chimps) The ERV still has genetic material, right? I believe you are confusing amino acids with nucleic acids. They are not the same. ERVs contain the retrovirus genes GAG POL ENV. As well as the Long Terminal Repeats, LTRs, which are formed during reverse transcription, the process retroviruses use to make a DNA copy of their RNA genome. The LTRs are both sides of the ERVs, just like they see today when todays retroviruses do the same thing. The 2 LTRs in each ERV have to be completely, 100% identical at the time of insertion. So when they look at the LTRs in each ERV, they are able to see the how old the ERVs are compared to the other ERVs. The more divergence of the mutations between the 2 LTRs in each ERV shows how old they are compared to the other pairs of LTRs in the other ERVs. The more divergence of the LTRs, the older they are, the more mutation difference between each LTR in each ERV. When they look at the same LTRs in multiple species, it shows how closely related the species are. Since the LTRs are more identical in chimps with humans, than with gorillas and humans, they know chimps and humans are more closely related than with gorillas and humans. And that gorillas and humans are more closely related than with old world monkeys and humans. It shows chimps and humans share a common ancestor more recently than with gorillas and humans. This proves evolution as it is impossible for humans and chimps to share ERVs without evolution, as ERVs are retrovirus insertions and that they KNOW they are retrovirus insertions due to the LTRs which are formed during reverse transcription, the process retroviruses use to make a DNA copy of their RNA genome. And that, they contain retrovirus genes.. This is the old tired argument of common design vs common descent. Once you are able to show that genetic material can arise magically from a few non-chiral amino acids, then come back and say evolution is possible. Until then you still have nothing. This is not common design, these are retrovirus insertions. They KNOW they are insertions, not from an original design. They see the exact same thing still happening today in person. LTRs form during reverse transcription. All the ERVs have LTRs both sides of the ERVs. They see the same thing happening today with todays retroviruses. It is literally the best single evidence of evolution. Humans and chimps share 99.9% (203,000 insertions) of their ERVs in the exact same position with the exact same mutations, you have to be mentally retarded to reject it. Retroviruses insert into 1 of 3 billion places, this ERV will stay in that same position generation after generation and that is what we see in all the apes. It is impossible for there to be no evolution/common descent. |
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