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NYT: The Constitution Is An Out-Dated, Anti-Democratic Relic

 
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They are mad that the framers wrote it in such a way as to protect us from assholes like them.

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Think the Constitution Will Save Us? Think Again

The subversion of democracy was the explicit intent of the framers.

Consider a few facts: Donald Trump is in the White House, despite winning almost three million fewer votes than Hillary Clinton. The Senate, the country’s most powerful legislative chamber, grants the same representation to Wyoming’s 579,315 residents as it does to 39,536,653 Californians. Key voting rights are denied to citizens in the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico and other United States territories. The American government is structured by an 18th-century text that is almost impossible to change.

These ills didn’t come about by accident; the subversion of democracy was the explicit intent of the Constitution’s framers. For James Madison, writing in Federalist No. 10, “Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention” incompatible with the rights of property owners. The byzantine Constitution he helped create serves as the foundation for a system of government that rules over people, rather than an evolving tool for popular self-government.

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 Quoting: LoneStarRising


You're God Damned right it was.

The United States was founded as a Constitutional Republic.
 Quoting: Copperhead


Amen brother!


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say goodbye to the "times"

and nyc. Most of it anyways
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also, i thought the democrats loved citing the constitution again for the first time in 8 years since everything trump does is "unconstitutional" to them?
 Quoting: 1-2-Follow


Ha ha, can't have it both ways, just saw a bumper sticker today to the effect that the ACLU was the only thing protecting the Constitution from Trump.
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from the article:

These perspectives are vital at a time when many progressives regard the Constitution as our only line of defense against a would-be autocrat in the White House.

THAT right there is the epitome of lunacy.

Progressives DO NOT revere the Constitution in ANY way other than when it suits them.

That is why they need it to be a "living document" that can bend and sway to their will at any given moment.

That is why Obama's "fundamental transformation" of the government was so applauded.
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Read Lysander Sponners "No Treason. Constitution of no Authority". There are only 3 documents in the series. I, II, and VI. At the end of #6, he states that the Constitution created the government we have today or it is powerless to control it. In either case, it is unfit to exist. The Framers of the Constitution shoved it down the throats of the delegates to that convention. The convention was called to tweak the Articles of Confederation to pay for the war debt.
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 Quoting: Idaho Bullwinkle


Wow...that's about as ignorant and convoluted as the insanity written in the NYT piece.
 Quoting: An Average American Patriot


I take it that you will not read any of Lysander Spooners works. Your ignorance is showing.
 Quoting: Idaho Bullwinkle


There is enough documented evidence written by those who actually were there and participated.

Reading the drivel of a man who was born long after the original founding occurred doesn't seem at all necessary.

You think he is better informed than those who actually participated in the writing of the documents and attended the Constitutional Convention?

How about all those who participated and voted to ratify the final draft of the Constitution?
 Quoting: An Average American Patriot


Those that were at the convention were sworn to secrecy and there were no notes taken. What little we know was given very late in the lives of the delegates. If it was such a wonderful piece of work, why the secrecy? There are many volumes of literature that contradict the propaganda of High School history classes. I am old enough to know how to read at a collage grade level. Your comments indicate that you have not gotten your nose out of your phone long enough to read a book,

I will sit on the sidelines and watch both sides that are ignorant of the history of this Empire fight it out.
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If they want to destroy the document that defines the sovereignty and guidance of this country, then those responsible can be hunted down and destroyed, because the rule of law will no longer exist, and they won't be able to hide behind it. There should be no mercy for the guilty as they are dragged into the streets. Destroying the Constitution destroys their protection also. It goes both ways.
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Its not anti democratic. Its Pro Republic!!! The constitution is a timeless work, unfortunately for democrats it does not allow for rape and pillaging its why its so restrictive and inclusive at the same time if your honest and uphold the truth! Democrats want to subvert the truth around every corner.hayseedskull_fing
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also, i thought the democrats loved citing the constitution again for the first time in 8 years since everything trump does is "unconstitutional" to them?
 Quoting: 1-2-Follow


Ha ha, can't have it both ways, just saw a bumper sticker today to the effect that the ACLU was the only thing protecting the Constitution from Trump.
 Quoting: Vision Thing


Truth is it's Trump protecting the Constitution from the ACLU; and the SPLC.
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If they want to destroy the document that defines the sovereignty and guidance of this country, then those responsible can be hunted down and destroyed, because the rule of law will no longer exist, and they won't be able to hide behind it. There should be no mercy for the guilty as they are dragged into the streets. Destroying the Constitution destroys their protection also. It goes both ways.
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^ well said. goes both ways. mhhmm
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NY Times owned by A Muslim from Mexico
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His father is from Lebanon.

Under the constitution most powers within a state are granted to the state. So the difference between California and Wyomings populations only matters in areas the federal government was granted power.

The constitution has been so corrupted in it's application that rollback of those excesses is necessary. How many times has 'interstate commerce' been used to regulate and make laws about things that the federal govt has no business being in?
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annnnnddddddd at the end of the article it says this


This article is part of the Opinion Today newsletter. David Leonhardt, the newsletter’s author, is on a break until Aug. 27. While he’s gone, several outside writers are taking his place. This week’s authors are Meagan Day, a writer for the socialist magazine Jacobin,

a writer for the socialist magazine Jacobin

LOL
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The Bill of Rights is actually a bill of restrictions. Restrictions on what the central government is not allowed to do. Since this limits the tyrannical power of the central government - of course the NYT tyranny supporting entity will dislike it.
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The constitution is designed to set up the people rule over the government not government over the people.
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This is scary:

" Our ideal should be a strong federal government powered by a proportionally elected unicameral legislature"

Federal government isn't big enough to suit them? It's already way too big, any more is a guarantee of absolute despotism which I suppose is precisely what they want. Like the Soviet Union - only bigger and more powerful.

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Naturally. Which should we choose, Sharia, or Mao? How about Che? All the gay and black people should be all for it. I, for one, am sick and tired of fighting it. Let them have what they want. Pretty sure we are fighting a losing battle. The world wants destruction. And really, who can blame them?
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I think maybe the forefathers knew exactly what the fuck they were doing. I've never seen such cry babies triggered by the liberty they have. They don't give a shit about America. They want to turn it into another shithole. There's plenty of shitholes already. I recommend they try one of those out and get back to us about how "unfair" the Constitution is.
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When the POTUS declares that an insurrection exists and kicks off CWIi, I think the NYT might regret making a seditious, unpatriotic and unamerican comments regarding that States should not have equal representation in the Senate.
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There are so many other countries that libs, dems and NY TIMES STAFFERS can emigrate to that DON'T have our Constitution.

May the emigrations begin!
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They are mad that the framers wrote it in such a way as to protect us from assholes like them.

-------------------------------------------------------------​-------------------------------------------------------------​--

Think the Constitution Will Save Us? Think Again

The subversion of democracy was the explicit intent of the framers.

Consider a few facts: Donald Trump is in the White House, despite winning almost three million fewer votes than Hillary Clinton. The Senate, the country’s most powerful legislative chamber, grants the same representation to Wyoming’s 579,315 residents as it does to 39,536,653 Californians. Key voting rights are denied to citizens in the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico and other United States territories. The American government is structured by an 18th-century text that is almost impossible to change.

These ills didn’t come about by accident; the subversion of democracy was the explicit intent of the Constitution’s framers. For James Madison, writing in Federalist No. 10, “Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention” incompatible with the rights of property owners. The byzantine Constitution he helped create serves as the foundation for a system of government that rules over people, rather than an evolving tool for popular self-government.

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 Quoting: LoneStarRising


You're God Damned right it was.

The United States was founded as a Constitutional Republic.
 Quoting: Copperhead


Nuff said
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The NY Slimes communist pricks
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The New York Times Is An Out-Dated, Anti-Democratic Relic
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I wonder what its readership is now day's? Its hayday's were certainly decades ago.

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The New York Times Is An Out-Dated, Anti-Democratic Relic
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fact
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That is a declaration of TREASON.
There NEEDS TO BE PROSECUTIONS.
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democrats hate the Bill of Rights and the Constitution.
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What a shame that the 9/11 terrorists didn't fly planes into the NYT headquarters. But they probably knew it would be doing America a favor.
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That would have done the world a favor!
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NY Times owned by A Muslim from Mexico
 Quoting: jake


His father is from Lebanon.

Under the constitution most powers within a state are granted to the state. So the difference between California and Wyomings populations only matters in areas the federal government was granted power.

The constitution has been so corrupted in it's application that rollback of those excesses is necessary. How many times has 'interstate commerce' been used to regulate and make laws about things that the federal govt has no business being in?
 Quoting: VeeEyeSea


Exactly.

The constitution is nearly perfect. We do need the senators to be appointed by their respective State legislatures. The Senate is supposed to be where the State government receives its federal representation. But it proved too difficult to steal the States individual sovereignty when they were reoresented.

And let the States regulate almost everything. The federal right to regulate interstate commerce really was all about keeping it free. They didn't want the States trying to impose tariffs or subsidize business in competition with one another.

If Californians want gay marriage and abortion at 8 1/2 months let them. If Arkansans want no abortion and teachers with guns so be it. It really would solve so many problems.
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HAHAHA!!! I actually agree w/ this coming from NYT and suggest that upon the rewritten, revised spanking new version of our new Constitution that the very first fuckin' top line is appropriate modern lingo for our 'lost/missing 13th Amendment.'

For those too lazy to go look that up, here's link to what soooo many did NOT want to be ratified back in it's day....
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They're right. Let's abolish the constitution. Then 5 minutes later, Trump can send troops in to take control of every media studio in America including CNN, and all the 3 letter networks.

Afterall, it's only the Constitution protecting them from him doing what SHOULD be done. Then we can round up all the liberals and drop them off in blue states of their choice, forever abolished from Red states.

Sounds good. Then we can re-adopt the Constitution to be followed by civilized people.
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They are mad that the framers wrote it in such a way as to protect us from assholes like them.

-------------------------------------------------------------​-------------------------------------------------------------​--

Think the Constitution Will Save Us? Think Again

The subversion of democracy was the explicit intent of the framers.

Consider a few facts: Donald Trump is in the White House, despite winning almost three million fewer votes than Hillary Clinton. The Senate, the country’s most powerful legislative chamber, grants the same representation to Wyoming’s 579,315 residents as it does to 39,536,653 Californians. Key voting rights are denied to citizens in the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico and other United States territories. The American government is structured by an 18th-century text that is almost impossible to change.

These ills didn’t come about by accident; the subversion of democracy was the explicit intent of the Constitution’s framers. For James Madison, writing in Federalist No. 10, “Democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention” incompatible with the rights of property owners. The byzantine Constitution he helped create serves as the foundation for a system of government that rules over people, rather than an evolving tool for popular self-government.

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 Quoting: LoneStarRising


Damn right! We have never been and never will be a Democracy. We don't care how they feel about it and neither did the framers.
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