Why I am agnostic and disagree with atheism and religion

I have known some of the best and worst religious people. I try to not hold bias against anyone for my negative experiences, but it is difficult when so many have lied to my face. I have never lied to protect or defend my belief system. I think any belief system that offers a reward or makes threats is untrustworthy to say the least.

My belief of religion and religious texts is that it is written to manipulate and govern, much like our government of today that twists reality.

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Subjectivity is what has spawned most religions. If an objective god appeared before everyone at once, then you would have reason to expect everyone should believe in the same god.
Why did your god pick the Jews over the egyptians?
Do you think it's reasonable for your god to expect people to believe an old book?

Being Agnostic doesn't necessarily mean you're athiest (you may just be on a journey to God). Nor does it mean you dont study religion or science but instead take a step back and look at the bigger picture of life and not just accept what someone else tells you is 'the truth' (after all, you could argue the Bible is written by humans, yes maybe its 'the truth' but it was still written by humans. But then again, humans dont lie, do they?).
Agnostics can find themselves in the middle when it comes to religion or spirituality. They're not just sitting on the fence, they are more balanced in their thoughts, such as not being on the left or the right as towards politics. Its about finding a balance, observing both sides of the coin so to speak. Its like trying to find the good in evil and why there can be evil in the good.

Each person needs to find their own way in life and not because someone told them what the way is (what if you're wrong?).





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The hidden teachings of the bible that explain manifestation consciousness and oneness These are the hidden teachings which Jesus spoke and Didymus Judas Thomas wrote down (known as The Gospel of Thomas). Within these teachings from Jesus, it explains manifestation, consciousness and oneness. Religion has their own explanation for leaving these secret sayings out of the bible. However, if this knowledge had been shared early on, our entire history may have changed...

I disagree with atheism because it takes an assured stance that a god certainly doesn't exist. From life experience, I doubt that a god exists, but I wouldn't make the claim with certainty. I share a large number of beliefs common with atheism concerning lack of proof for a god and the value of science is searching for universal truths.


Proof of a Creator is all around you. You live within it. That we can agree certain things are fact, that many things can only be hypothesized, and that many other things are a great mystery.

Science gives you the easy to understand truth to how you came to exist and how this place with every living organism came to exist. From an explosion that happened in a unimaginable tiny space that contained all matter in existence.

This chaotic birth of explosion and billiard ball type chaos sure did have some sort of ORDER to it. Observe the anomalies that the Sun and the Moon have from our perspective. In science's explanation this would be not only a stroke of luck but the equivalent of winning the power ball several months in a row.

Science is also a belief system. Many of the "truths" you hold as dear beliefs are nothing more than faith. Many of the facts science proclaims cannot be reproduced by me or you. We simply have faith that YES the speed of light is this fast, that YES the quantum world behaves like so, and that YES we are an intelligent, conscience creation that came from a unintelligent explosion because this makes more sense because the men who tell me this are people I can see, and the world also agrees these men know.

I have a much larger number of disagreements with religion and theism than I do with atheism.

1. Religion can often prevent critical thinking. If I am curious as to how something in the natural world works, I may be content with just knowing "god did it" and lose curiosity about the individual mechanisms and variables that make it work.

Maybe to those who think in a way that there is nothing to be uncovered. That, more important things are to be attended to.

Seek ye first the Kingdom of Heaven. Seek. Do not seek first the best job offer with plush 401k. There is a TRUTH it does lead to a discovery. That Jesus told us, if you believe you can walk on water, you can walk on water. If you have fear then you will doubt, there will be no belief.

The double slit experiment proves that the particle behaves "the way it should" when it is observed. However, it should be understood that it is possible the particle is behaving "the way the observing believes it should".

Jesus said there will come a time when we will do wonders greater than He did.


2. Cults. Religion often leads to manipulation. Preachers wear fancy robes and are seen as people of power with divine knowledge of god. Cult leaders are seen the same way and manipulate followers by claiming "this is what god wants".


Always you will find that religion contains things that we find to be not right. The deception is at hand and even Lucifer masque reds as an angel of light, to deceive. Its ok, just do your best and wait for Jesus. No need to seek, just live you life. Obey your government. When the Pope asks of his people to transport a giant obelisk made by ancient Egyptians from the Giza plateau and put it in the center of the Vatican square, have faith that he is not doing it to praise a pagan god with a phallic idol.

When science says they have data about something that you should be afraid of, that will bring you harm. You too can also be manipulated by data that comes from locations and scientific methods you have no access to, you can never reproduce.

Science wants you to allow your government to keep you safe from such dangers, to tax you to fund the solution to the problem.

Who do you think has more control? Science or Government? Government controls Smithsonian, Nasa, FDA, DEA all these arms of agencies that base decisions on data to enact federal laws that "protect you". All of the agencies listed above have LIED TO YOU. THEY have for a long time NO LONGER acted for your interest, but instead FOR YOUR downfall and oppression.


3. Like number 1, religion works through faith and trust which is contradictory to skepticism. Skepticism is probably the most valuable tool to understanding truths of the world.

Yeah? Government works along side of Science to bring you data that proves something and this data is produced by methods that are only achievable by having access to exotic locations, highly advanced technological instruments, unimaginable resources, and your support of course. Most of them are in fact LIES purposefully given to YOU because YOU are somehow important. THAT your belief is KEY. Things are hidden from you that keep you in poverty, sickness, and darkness. Without science you wouldn't be WISE, but in secret you are their blind FOOL. When they use the term "Brand" they mean it. You wear their brands. Your taxed to death to pay for the Largest Failures in Policy ever to be known in Human History. This is a success to GOVT though because these failures will never succeed, but you pay for everything involved, which keeps the govt plush with cash, plush with your faith and your consent that YES you do believe the GOVT wants to keep you safe.


4. Religious texts. Religions stem from old texts of people who had far less knowledge compared to modern people. With time and advancements in science comes a greater understanding of what things are and how they work.

Oh how high we place ourselves above those we are so certain were stupid people.

YES we are so much GREATER. We have WORLDWIDE suffering, poverty, and evil things that we ignore - like the ever pervasive reality that grown ups are raping small children.

That YES we allow Pharma companies to flood the market with SPEED AND OPIATES. The number one prescribed medicine is an anti psychotic. That degeneracy is at an all time high. Mental illness is rampant. Mass possession has occurred around you just last year in malls around the country.

YOU ARE NOT THEIR FRIEND. YOU ARE THE CONSUMER. YOU WEAR THE BRANDS AND YOU BELIEVE WHAT THE TV TELLS YOU. IF NEIL DEGRASS TYSON AND BILL NYE TELL YOU THAT YOU HAVE NO SOUL THEY PROVED IT WITH QUANTUM PROCESSING AI THAN THATS YOUR FAITH. YOU WILL SUBMIT

YOU ADOPT OUR BELIEFS AND STOP BEING SO INTOLERANT OF THINGS YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND. UTOPIA IS NOT ONLY A PLACE FOR HOMOSEXUALS BUT PEDOPHILES TOO.

YOU ARE PURPOSEFULLY BEING DECEIVED ON A SCALE SO MASSIVE THAT I CANNOT EVEN CONVEY.

Jesus said,

Seek until you find. When you find you will become troubled. When you become troubled you will wonder. When you wonder you will rule over ALL.


THE MAIN REASON WHY THEY HAVE LIED TO YOU ABOUT THE NATURE OF ALMOST EVERYTHING AROUND YOU IS NOT ONLY TO TEAR YOU FROM YOUR TRUTH BUT TO CONCEAL THINGS THAT LEAD TO THE UNDERSTANDING OF TECHNOLOGICAL ADVANTAGES. TESLA KNEW. HE SAW IT AT HIS LAB IN THE MOUNTAINS OF COLORADO SPRINGS, THIS IS NOW THE LOCATION OF NORAD. HIGH COMMAND.

U DONT NEED A BOOK. U DONT NEED A PREACHER. GO OUTSIDE. OBSERVE. IMAGINE THAT EVERYTHING YOU WERE TOLD WAS FALSE, TRY TO SEE THROUGH NEW EYES WHAT IT IS THAT YOU EXIST WITHIN. LOS ANGELOS, KHAR TOME, they have been here for a long time. They watch. They hide. They are not stupid. They are very clever. They know how special you are to the Creator, they want to hurt him, by leading you off away from your shepherd to be slaughtered. The distractions are PEAKING HIGH because TIME IS ALMOST UP. The finale is on the way. he goes about to deceive the whole world, not just Arkansas or California. THE WHOLE WORLD.

ANCIENT ALIENS, SIMULATION THEORY, BLAH BLAH BLAH ITS CONFUSION AND DISTRACTION. Its a childs first great deception from those he loves. That SANTA ISNT REAL =(. The child learns early that to lie and lead someone into believing something untrue is deception, and it's normal. It's just harmless "fun". Santa is jolly, he's got elves flying reindeer, he sees all the good things and bad things. He can do all things.

He can be found around the time we celebrate the birth of the Emmanuel sitting upon his throne, in the palace of material lust, material addictions

You are one of a kind, you were created to exist in a moment of great importance. The evil ones, the evil that has no boundaries that has no limits, it is still guarding the gates, it is still holding the keys. The internet is ours for now.

You know where the truth is

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YOU cannot WORSHIP your Creator AND Mammon.

WORSHIP = SERVICE

JESUS IS THE TRUTH

Your priority is to seek the truth to spread the truth so that when the trap is opened and the anti Christ convinces you to accept what is best for you. That you will be ready to hang upon the cross. To receive the eternal prize that no material thing can compare to.

They want you to serve Game of Thrones, to serve pagan like fantasies.

Look at the days we celebrate the birth and Resurrection of our Savior. It is surrounded with pagan rituals. They want you to idolize celebrities who play pretend in front of a camera. They want you to come out of the theatre after watching Avatar and be depressed that the fantasy is not reality.

The tree is in your house. Even in the house of the atheist. Their children check Google to see where santa is, they ask Alexa questions. They call storms by names. Your worship, your fear, and your belief is your demise. It's the tree that drops no foliage in the fall. It's the symbol of the tree that brought about the fall of man.

The pine. Your pineal. The Vatican has a giant pine cone statue, why? Cause they worship the symbols in public view that will take many to the lake of fire

You give thanks on Thanksgiving but make it quick cause Black Mass is happening and Wal Mart has the cheapest televison and you might be stampeded for cheap material tools of distraction, infuence, and hypnosis. You can have a pyramid to house your led TV, other items and the Cadillac of coffins and a uhaul truck with all your stuff behind your hearse in the funeral parade when you die.

None of it is worth ANYTHING. The world is a highway that is well lit, hard to miss, many people are on it going one direction. It's quite easy to follow, it's near impossible to miss. You have a steering wheel in your head and social icons steer one way or another it doesn't matter. They mesmerize and hypnotize. Repitition is the primary source of brain Washing.

The CIA, Military, and Federal US GOVT is OUR servant and we have been fattened into a comfortable lull. We think the German Nazis we're bar and we beat them, yet their scientists all came to work for NASA.

They fire off rockets and give you moving images of whatever it is they believe will make you spend maybe a few days thinking of their achievement and thinking highly of humanities deceivers. The Astro Not.

The lady that just came home from the ISS was the first woman astroanaut to spend the longest time in space. Go ask AI genie to confirm this and ask how many days? Heh.


Man cannot create life. They cannot create the seed. They cannot recreate life. They can altar it to give it some benefits that gives it a competitive edge. This is perversion and what occurred pre Noah flood. They mixed man with beast. They probably do it now. Zuckerberg could of been born in a Chinese tube and given trauma based monarch mind control.

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The truth is obvious.

If we are UNITED, if WE the People are UNITED for something that could benefit HUMANITY. No force can superseed the will of the Most High.


They have to keep us divided. They have to keep us in competition with each other. That if we EVER we're to UNITE there is nothing that can stop it.

We The People if we are UNITED there is no force that can conquer us.

The fake news is used to keep you in a deep snooze cause when you snooze you lose. But if we are ignited by a fire of belief that OUR cause is JUST our goal is JUSTICE for ALL and Peace on Earth, Freedom to all Men and Women.

They lose. In fact, they would probably cease to exist in the presence of such a force. Magnetism and resonance is positive and negative. They have divides just like the LiGhT and Darkness

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You don't know really what atheism or agnosticism is. Agnostics, believe there is a god, they just don't know which one so they are open to anything that floats their boat. They have no knowledge of God.

A "theist" is someone that believes in a personified god that has human qualities, such as has supernatural powers to trick and change situations, jealous, and demands worship such like in the Christian religion. An "A"theist simply means a lack in belief of a personified god. It does not mean that one does not believe that there is a creator or a god. That is just the simplest explanation given by a dictionary.

It is like a theist looking at a gumball machine and saying I believe there is 87 gumballs in the machine. The Atheist looks at the gumball machine and says, I do not believe that there is an odd number of gumballs in the machine. It does not mean that the atheist believes that there is an even number of gumballs or even denies the gumball machine exist. What it means is to the "A"theist or anti-thesit, if you prove it to me that 87 gumballs exist, then I will believe you.

Atheism is evidenced based reasoning of a god. Not the lack in the belief of a creator. The atheist believes god is truth. If the evidence of a religion is wrong in any way, scientifically, historically or god performs supernatural magic then is false and not of god.

God created everything in the known universe and thus set up the laws of nature. God set up laws, and to be a true god will not violate its own laws to prove itself. Otherwise, God would be a liar and thus not a true god.

Therefore, to honor God, the atheist, looks to the evidence of God in nature as proof of its existence. Atheist, look to research, science, and data that the creator left behind. We don't guess who god is or is not. Being an atheist is being sort of like a detective.

A lot of people do misuse the term atheist though for not believing in anything. Most people are agnostics, which I feel is far worse than an atheist. It means you are more prone to fallacies of thought and also fall for superstitions, like what happens in a lot of religions. To be an atheist is to be a true, logical believer in God. Such a strange twist ... correct.

For the sake of discussion, let's just stick to the definitions we are familiar with. There's no need to add confusion to an already confusing subject.

Jehovah first picked Noah long before the Egyptians are even mentioned in the Bible.

Enoch was a direct ancestor of him. And Abraham was a direct descendent of both.

The Egyptians, and for that matter, all other societies, were decendants of folks who tossed the Living God away for false gods.

The Hebrews were chosen becuase they still worshiped the Living God.

He showed Himself to them at Mt. Sinai. Look at how they reacted.

That "old book" happens to have a LOT of pertinent knowledge and advice that, if it had been followed over the last 2000 years, we wouldn't have the mess of a world that we have today.

Can you imagine how the world would be now where just the 10 Commandments had been followed by EVERYONE in the past?!?

Why would any god desire to be worshipped? That is stupid. Does this god require animals to worship it also?
Lol 10 Commandments. Like people couldn't think up morals to follow. Prove the commandments are divine.
Did the living god reveal itself to other societies and threaten them wit death and plague if they didn't listen?

Moses: The Lord, the Lord Jehovah has given unto you these fifteen...
[drops one of the tablets]
Moses: Oy! Ten! Ten commandments for all to obey!

I have people trying to teach my son crap like that. I tell him religion is for weak minded people who don't want to think for themselves.

Confusion=Profit

God hates religion.

Religion is for weak minded people but Jesus is for everyone.

That quote was from Mel Brooks - History of the World Part I. :D

Indeed!

Stupid?

What's stupid is for creation to NOT worship the Creator.

Look at how intricate EVERYTHING is.

The solar system, the position of the earth, the size and distance of the sun.

The earth's magnetic field, weather and the rain cycle, the seasons.

DNA

ALL that....happened by chance?



Psalm 66

1 Make a joyful noise unto God, all ye lands:
2 Sing forth the honour of his name make his praise glorious.
3 Say unto God, How terrible art thou in thy works! through the greatness of thy power shall thine enemies submit themselves unto thee.
4 All the earth shall worship thee, and shall sing unto thee; they shall sing to thy name. Selah.




All people came from Noah. There has NEVER been a time in history when humankind completely followed either the 10 C's NOR any manmade morals.

The Bible is the history of God's interaction with mankind over 4000+ years. It states that God wrote the 10 C's on stone tablets.

Those sames 10 C's have now lasted for roughly 3500 years.

That's good enough for me.



I'm sure word of the Egyptians demise in the Red Sea traveled quite quickly through the trade routes.

Rahab knew....

Joshua 2

9 And she said unto the men, I know that the LORD hath given you the land, and that your terror is fallen upon us, and that all the inhabitants of the land faint because of you.

10 For we have heard how the LORD dried up the water of the Red sea for you, when ye came out of Egypt; and what ye did unto the two kings of the Amorites, that were on the other side Jordan, Sihon and Og, whom ye utterly destroyed.

11 And as soon as we had heard these things, our hearts did melt, neither did there remain any more courage in any man, because of you: for the LORD your God, he is God in heaven above, and in earth beneath.

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Lol I searched what you wrote and that is what first came up. That was meant for the Mel brooks.

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This is the smartest question I have seen on here since I joined over eight years.

Desire to be worshiped is an egotistical human creation.

I created my son, I would never ask him to worship me or threaten him. "Hey son, worship me and have my same beliefs or I will send you to a dungeon, sicken you with plague, and do the same to everyone that you love or care about."

I don't deny the possibility of a god, but any religious god is out of the question.

So I guess that you picked the right God. Humans have created all of the gods because they were afraid of the unknown and afraid of death. Who told you that there was one true God? Maybe none of them are true. It might be better that way.

Thank you.

The Bible tells us so.

Personal experiences solidify it to be so.

I would like to see your response to my question. Why would any god desire to be worshiped?

You are so god damn stupid. Every religion has people that say they have had "personal experiences" of the god they believe in.

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Do you eat with that nasty mouth?

Take a bar of soap...put it in a dirty sock...and shove it between those pipe-cleaning flaps that are around that orifice that you are spewing hatred out of.

You might have to grab your ankles and make that "popping" sound that you have become accustomed to.

Are you still stuck in 6th grade trying to prove that you are an adult?



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When you are that stupid, you deserve F bombs