Someone is lying to me about Jesus.

Is his commandments enbedded in your heart then you will hear his voice.

Spend time with him in a place (secret room) praying, worshiping him then quiet yourself and ask him to speak.

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Hey Eurotard... Who said the OP is "religious"?

Belief in and faith in Christ is not "religion".

Religions are man-made systems that attempt to reconcile man to God through works and rituals.

You believe in a man made god called the holy trinity, which is a false picture of the true God. Idolatry.

His commands are not in my heart yet.



John 6:40 King James Version (KJV)

40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Isaiah 64:5
Thou meetest him that rejoiceth and worketh righteousness, those that remember thee in thy ways.

True scripture should not have contradictions. Sometime it is our understanding that causes contradictions.

He spoke the truth so the truth is meaningless to you? Or do you just show prejudice against unbelievers (which is a sin)?

If so then none of the bible is religious because, if it's not history, it's God Jesus' commands to us to be reconciled with him.

Although the religious leaders added their interpretations and extra rewuirements on top of the law and Jesus called them out on it, that would be called religion.

It was Satan who wanted to turn people against religion yet most of the world are religious. The I'm not religious I'm spiritual folk are too proud to be sheep. Ahteists already hate God. Agnostics might be too afraid to be labelled even when faced with truth. Satan is deceiving and influencing people to hate "religion" so that it makes it harder to communicate what one believes.

Hey Issac,

I didn't read through the entire thread, but I did read your OP.

Why are you asking people a question that is between you and God?

Have you asked Him?

If you have have you waited for Him to show you?

Obviously, you haven't.

Patience is a virtue.

Even in revelations patience is mentioned as an attribute of those who are saved.

Do what Jesus said to do. "Seek, knock and ask." That does not end once you are saved. Believing in Jesus is just the beginning.

Well shit, that escalated quickly.

Completely and totally surrender to The Son and have faith and believe in him and you will receive the Holy Spirit. That doesn't mean you won't ever sin, it just means you will sin infrequently, and that when you do sin, you will repent, but your ultimate desire will be to do righteousness and that you will revile sin even if you commit it at times, and that your actions overall and heart will still be more righteous than the unsaved. Good works are not the root of salvation, but they are the fruit of salvation.

No one should use the fact that even the saved sin (however infrequently) as an excuse not to attempt to be spiritually perfect at all times, however. We are incapable of being perfect, but we still must try to be perfect, even as He is perfect.

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first off, one never has to try to love God, or anyone else if they are truly saved. we are all a work in progress, some of us have bigger chips to chizel off. He changes you from the inside out. I only read the KJ or NKJ because the others have been changed to fit the new age wave goin on. It is a Sin to change any Scripture. The NIV for instance leaves out versus.

Holy Spirit is fickle, but it's in everyone and in everyone's hearts, Holy Spirit DOES NOT JUDGE AT ALL, First rule to manifesting Holy Spirit better is to forget all this bullshit about sins and erase fear from your all being, you have to be a fine tuned instrument.

Forget all that crap humans put on you to control you as a part of the bible, don't think of Holy spirit as something you're worthy or unworthy of, rather think of Holy Spirit as music, that can only be played by a fine tuned Instrument, which would be you, your mindset and your essence, your whole being just has to have the right conditions for Holy spirit to fill you, Holy spirit does NOT dwell in angered hearts and blinded minds.

Our God is free, joyful and ecstatic being full of love and doesn't have the judgement humans would like God to have, he just doesn't, I felt the feelings HE, GOD, had for me.

And No matter where I strayed he saw the bigger image, a trial and error, and slow learning process for me to slowly become more divine, but divine doesn't mean you don't drink, divine doesn't mean you abstain from sexual activities, divine doesn't mean you have to go to church, divine doesn't mean you have to pray and be a slave to god day and night, divinity just means, you have to live the life that was given to you in the fullest of your potential, experience and learn life in the best way that is possible, to enjoy it wholeheartedly and be grateful for this gift of life, being consciously grateful for this life is best prayer you can give, that is the true divinity of our realms, to be ecstatic in just being and living, God would never instill fear like that, first of all it would interfere with the law of Free Will, second, Fear instilled like that would LIMIT your spiritual evolution heavily, and all of these so called Sins meant nothing to him as a label unless you literally murder people senselessly and with no remorse.

So accept yourself, accept the world, accept the universe, for all in this universe is also imperfect, and the rotation of our earth is not precise and the orbit around the sun is not perfect, the layout of stars and planets is not perfect. The reason we exist is not perfect. So stop trying to be perfect, just be... Be Happy and Joyful you live here and you get to see and experience this life, given to you and kept for us at the grace of our Creator, out of pure love. To grow from Spiritual Infancy to maturity and understanding, to come to love this world the way he would.

Profound.

I've found the thing about 'sin' is that its helpful to understand the root word in the ancient Hebrew/Aramaic language -- 'sin' just means 'missing the mark'. Likewise, the root/original meanings of 'good' and 'evil' are eye-opening. 'good' means literally 'health' or 'results in health', and conversely 'evil' literally means 'illness' or 'results in death'. That's it! And we've learned from our experience on earth that something that seems 'good' at first can later be classified as 'evil', and vice-versa. So our premature labels of 'good' and 'evil' are often just unnecessary judgments or labels (i.e., when the Jewish people were carried off to Babylonian captivity and their Hebrew language and culture was decimated, they thought this was 'evil' (death) but in reality it was 'good' (health) because it helped usher in the Messianic era of life, through the Messiah Yahshua in the first century). Also, the root word 'forgive' just means 'release'. While playing catch you 'forgive' a ball from your hand; and this doesn't require any judgments or labels. The best way to release, I think, is to realize that everything happens for a reason, there's no need to fear this world or judge people (emotionally), everything is here to teach us for our benefit so we'll choose life... things like that. There is something to be gained for thinking in harmony with root words, as they have great potential to be closer to fundamental truths.

With regard to spirit specifically, I don't really understand spirit because to understand something on earth a human usually needs to control it, change it, manipulate it to human will, etc. That's how we understand and build things, even language is controlled & manipulated by our brains and tongues. But spirit is elusive to us, so 'wind' was a perfect example in the 1st century when Yahshua spoke those words in John 3 that spirit is like wind (which are the same word by the way in biblical Aramaic).

Another reason I don't understand spirit - I'm probably too 'of the earth' and/or too anxious about the cares of this world. Exhibit 1: I'm on GLP. I do think its a bit comical too when we humans just give vague & conclusory/assumptive examples of spirit by saying 'the spirit did this or that in my life', but no specific technical details are provided (i.e., did it feel like a vivid dream? how long did it last?).

As for my own experiences, there are a handful of times in my life that I've closed my eyes and seen a light (a peaceful light transcending and outside and unaffected by the chaos of this world (the world is represented by a tangled ball of rubber bands, and the light is beyond and outside that ball), but I cannot summon the light or control it, nor do I want to control it. Trying to control it even increases the likelihood that it goes away. I really appreciate those experiences where I focus on that 'light outside this world' - very simple but powerful. I would say the average duration of the experience is about 1-3 minutes. It doesn't feel like a dream per se, but I suppose it's a bit 'dreamy' in the sense that its very relaxing.

I imagine there are many many different types of spiritual experiences. And I would also venture that our common dreams are an easily accessible example of what some rare spiritual experiences are like (namely, vivid dreams). See e.g., biblical references to Daniel's visions and Joseph's visions in dreams.

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You dont really want the holy spirit.

Your request, which you were granted and told what to do.

You ignore it.

Then wonder why you cant find it.

Your thread has turned into a "bible study/debate" which is about the furthest thing from christianity.

Good job.

Thanks for wasting my time.

Ill bet the girl that asked is obeying.

And then she will receive.

You will not.

Ahmen.

I agree with your views too, when I get into the tune of Holy Spirit, I know I can send healing energies, but to Holy spirit I am an instrument to play the healing music through. Because even in Silence a Frequency is still a form and shape of sound and music, inaudible to human ear, but in the eyes of the universe it is a form of music.

Everything in universe is like smaller fractal, a downsize of itself, So just like a Bird will not go to fire, just like a fish wont go on land, so will the Holy Spirit avoid a heart that is poisonous or toxic to it's radiance.

For the Holy spirit to make the best impact the heart has to ring with Purity. When this resonance, when this harmony between the energies is reached, you can heal people, you know what to say, you know what to do, an intense peace overcomes, you know everything will be alright now, it's that kind of feeling. It's truly empowering, it's like this Divine father is petting you on your hair, its really soothing and comforting . I know when Holy spirit is with me and when its dormant. I know at what time I can summon it and when I can't. Its nothing to control, it just is, it will dwell in any heart immediately when the heart becomes capable of hosting it. Anyone can do this who truly wants to. It will occupy your heart instantly you have made yourself available for Holy Spirit to enter.

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The Holy Spirit is in the wind, in the clouds, in the bird's song, in the cricket's chirp. It is in the new mother. It is in the whales as they migrate, in all animals as they migrate. The Spirit in in the rainbow and in all the glory and beauty on this earth. Open your heart and mind and look around you. The Holy Spirit is everywhere!

What did you want to do magic or speak in tongues? Sometimes if you do pray for something, pray for God's will, you will see a miracle.

More.

Did you have food to eat today? Were you safe throughout the day? Were your children safe? If so, then you were blessed this day.

God's blessings are all around. We are surrounded by them. We take them for granted.

That's beautiful, I love the musical instrument metaphor! Also the fractal example makes good sense - harmonies of pattern and form can reveal the character of the Holy Spirit. Thanks for sharing your insights.

It's interesting too that the root word "holy" means 'set apart' or 'distinct' from something common or unclean. Its interesting when people expect the holy to mingle with the unclean. How do we clean ourselves? We follow the Messiah by having his testimony and following his commandments, even the radical ones (like returning good for evil) that clean us of judgment.

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The "someone" who has lied to you is Laodicea...

Don't want to be "lukewarm"?
Willing to do anything to advance your Relationship With God and allow The InDwelling of God The Holy Spirit?

Maybe you're ready???


Does it matter about the lying? Want an explanation for that? Think, that if you do everything the "liars" told you, you ought to be where you think you should be With God?

Where is that exactly? What do you expect?



The explanations don't matter.
What matters is you and your heart; what you are willing to do to Come Unto The Father.


The TRUTH IS: God The Holy Spirit cannot Abide with anyone who is not Born-Again... Born-Again per Father's Witness in Ezekiel 36:26-27. That ain't you, or you would KNOW...

You Would KNOW God The Father, The Son, and The Holy Spirit.
KNOW them, better than you "know" your parents or best friend...

In verse 26 God Says HE Will Give us "A New Heart Of Flesh"; HIS Flesh replaces our "stony-heart". In verse 27 HE Says HE Will Enable us to KNOW and DO HIS Will and "Keep MY Statutes"... There is your Deliverance from sin.

Get Born-Again, then tell other Christians "Father Delivers us from sinning"; they'll hate you, or think you're crazy. Possibly burn you at the stake... Deniers of The Word. But, they're willing to "believe" what they choose.... They just don't Choose/Elect to Trust God Fully.

Can you? Trust HIM Fully with every aspect of your life?
If so... Time To Tell HIM...


All that matters is your heart and if you Love God enough to give HIM all you are and all you ever will be...


Just maybe you're exasperated with everything you've tried to do in your life and you're now Willing To Trust God Fully? If so, Tell HIM...

Maranatha!!!

Each person's walk with the Father and His Son is different....unique.

We all still sin. It's our human nature.

Do you repent daily?

Have you had any "changes" in your lifestyle, such as no more cursing etc...?

Did you expect something miraculous with the Holy Spirit like what happend in the "upper room" to the Apostles & disciples?

I appreciate your ears. Thank you for listening.

BEWARE of this poster.

He does not teach that the Holy Spirit is the spirit of the Messiah. He believes it is an UNKNOWN ANGEL OF LIGHT/ Mystery third being, similar to trinitarianism except he doesn't think it's God, only like God. That is literally blasphemy against the Holy Spirit.

Someone who is born of God and has the spirit of his Son in them DOES NOT sin..

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blah blah blah

Did either God or Yeshua make you THE all-knowing Biblcal sage of modern times?

AND I never said the Holy Spirit is an "angel of light" so don't stick words in my mouth that I NEVER said.

You are a liar by doing such.

Thread: Jesus is NOT The Holy Spirit / Holy Ghost / Spirit of God - NOR is it His Own Spirit - Bible Study

You don't sin anymore?



Last Edited by Servant-of-the-LORD on 08/29/2018 12:59 PM

how do you sin ? confess to me my child

Fancy way of at least admitting you don't believe you are filled with the spirit of the Messiah. Which is the very thing by which we are sealed forever!

Romans 8:10
10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

Colossians 1:27
27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

John 15:26 - But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, [even] the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

“There is one body, and one Spirit [Holy Spirit], even as you are called in one hope of your calling; One Lord [Jesus Christ], one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.” Ephesians 4:4-6

1 Cor 3:16;2 Cor 3:17
"Do ye not know that ye are [the] temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwells in you? The Lord and the Spirit are one and the same, and the Lord's Spirit sets us free."

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