Jesus is NOT The Holy Spirit / Holy Ghost / Spirit of God - NOR is it His Own Spirit - Bible Study

Paul

Romans 8

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.

16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:

17 And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

"holy ghost" occurs 90 times in 89 verses in the KJV.

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"holy spirit" occurs 7 times in 7 verses in the KJV

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"spirit of truth" occurs 4 times in 4 verses in the KJV

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Science has long proven this...

God the Father, Jesus the Son and the Holy Spirit are all "three separate Persons", and are the same "one God"

Holy spirit is the living thought of god , body of his son , currently acting as the spirit/time of the present body . Holy spirit is the body of christ , body of the father or god is his spirit . It is unity of both in mind body spirit complex of the son of god that IS the holy trinity .

Trinity is misleading.

Jesus is NOT equal to the Father. He tells us plainly in easy to understand words.

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Kinda ironic how both the H's in YHWH are she...and pronounced He....just sayin..seems like years ago I read both H's were for mother and daughter...have to think about what literature I read it in.

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the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you. 18 I will not leave you orphans; I will come to you.

The fact of scripture is that Jesus NEVER says that the Holy Spirit is His OWN spirit.

The Holy Spirit is given to us for "all things to remembrance"...like a "truth / knowlege 'spirit library'.

After Jesus Ascension He NEVER brings up things from the "past". It's "go here"..."say this" etc...

Jesus sits at the right hand of the Father. Both are living beings. Does the Holy Spirit "sit" anywhere? Where is it said that the Holy Spirit "lives" in us?

One last point.

Jesus tells the Apostles & disciples to ask "in My name".

Jesus also tells them that He will ask the Father to SEND the Holy Spirit "in My name".

Do you not see the similarity?

The Holy Spirit is either sent by Jehovah Himself or at Yeshua's request. "He" does NOTHING but the Father's Will.

There's no reason to be confused about the Holy Spirit. "He" is like a messenger / helper sent by either the Father Himself or by Yeshua, and it does specific tasks with individuals or small groups. See these verses.

John 14:16 "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever;

John 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you.

John 15:26 "When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father, He will testify about Me,

John 16:7 "But I tell you the truth, it is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I go, I will send Him to you.

John 16:13 "But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come.

Last Edited by Servant-of-the-LORD on 09/29/2021 04:58 PM

its called the Godhead...

I think you mean well but also your going out of your way to convince others of your personal belief and interpretation...while there are some who also support your opinion (views) it is not what the Bible says when taken in complete context and pushing it as hard as you have been with multiple threads with similar theme is problematic and telling.

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Not what the Bible says?

Where's your scriptural proof that shows what I state USING scripture is wrong?

Don't bother with "Jesus is God Himself" either...as Jesus CLEARLY states that He is NOT God.

My topics are problematic? How so? Because they don't fit with YOUR beliefs?

God didn't put me on earth to please you.

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"godhead"? Seriously? More KJV trinitarianism nonsense.

Perhaps you are in need of an education. Sure is funny how that word isn't used in most translations.

Acts 17:29

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Romans 1:20

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Colossians 2:9

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Let's take a serious look at the implications of the Holy Spirit Jesus "THEORY".
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0. In Acts 2 - Holy Spirit Jesus danced on the heads of the Apostles at Pentecost.

1. In Matthew 4, Mark 1 & Luke 4 - Son of God Jesus was led to the wilderness by Holy Spirit Jesus?

2. In Luke 4 Son of God Jesus was filled WITH Holy Spirit Jesus?

3. In Matthew 4, Mark 1 & Luke 4 - Holy Spirit Jesus landed on Son of God Jesus after He was baptized?

4. In John 14 & 15 Son of God Jesus had to go to heaven BEFORE Holy Spirit Jesus would be SENT?

5. In John 14 & 15 Son of God Jesus would SEND Holy Spirit Jesus once He went to Heaven?

6. In Matthew 1 & Luke 1 Holy Ghost Jesus impregnated Mary with Son of God Jesus?

7. In Matthew 12 & Mark 3 - Blaspheming Son of God Jesus is forgivable but blaspheming Holy Spirit Jesus IS NOT forgivable?

So Jesus is BOTH the SON OF God AND the Holy Spirit?

Rubbish.

Jesus NEVER says "I am the Holy Spirit".
Jesus NEVER says "I am the Holy Ghostt".
Jesus NEVER says "I am the Spirit of Truth".

Jesus ALWAYS refers to the Holy Spirit as "He".

Jesus says "the Father will SEND the Holy Spirit"...
...Jesus does NOT say...
"the Father will send MY Spirit".

Jesus says "the Father will SEND ANOTHER Comforter".

2. Son of God Jesus was filled WITH Holy Spirit Jesus?

Relevant KJV Verse

Luke 4:1 And Jesus being full of the Holy Ghost returned from Jordan, and was led by the Spirit into the wilderness,

Photine's version of this verse.

And Jesus being full of Himself returned from Jordan, and was led by Himself into the wilderness

How STUPID can this be????

1. So Jesus landed on His OWN shoulder at His baptism?

2. So Father God DID NOT speak from heaven at the baptism AND the Transfiguration?

3. So Jesus LED HIMSELF into the wilderness after His baptism?

4. So blasphemy of the Son of God Jesus can be forgiven BUT NOT blasphemy of Holy Spirit Jesus?

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Paul's verse doesn't prove that Jesus is the Holy Spirit.

Jesus wasn't "full of Himself"
Jesus wasn't "led by Himself"

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Luke 4:1 And Jesus being

full of the Holy Ghost

returned from Jordan,

and was led by the Spirit

into the wilderness,

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Critical questions for a Believer to answer about the Holy Spirt, Jesus and creation.

1. WHY did Jesus have to learn from the Father?

2.Was Jesus led into the wilderness by Himself?
By His "own spirit"?
Jesus led Himself into the wilderness?

3. Paul said Jesus was "firstborn of creation / creatures".
WHY don't you believe THIS statement from Paul?

"Seven Spirits" appears 4 times KJV

My take on it is you misunderstand the trinity (1 John 5:7-8) doesn't mean Jesus spirit is leading Jesus in the desert but it means they agree as one. That's why often people use the egg explanation because the shell, eggwhite and yolk are in agreement (1 John 5:8 kjv)

BALONEY

St. John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me:

St. John 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.


You lack information, perspective and understanding. You'd rather jeopardize your soul to blaspheme God, which btw is NOT forgiven until you GET forgiveness through repentance of what is false to what is true, than to consider that you might be deceived. It's why you cannot describe the truth in your own words but oppose contrariness with the scriptures of your understanding. And that's the point, according to your own limited understanding you see yourself to be great with knowledge and understanding and can't therefore understand the truth of who and what the Father is, or more specifically what Jesus meant in John 15:26.

BALONEY

AKA blasphemy. 1 God, infinite aspects, namely 3 in the bible, not 3 gods.

God in the OT claims to have a soul. Y'all don't understand what soul is, or the Holy Ghost from the Holy Spirit. No wonder though, because y'all have not given up everything for Jesus to obey his commands. He does give perfect understanding though to those who give up all for him, and his children shall be justified of Wisdom on the day of judgment while many will be screaming BUT I THOUGHT I WAS RIGHT!

Y'all are about head knowledge rather than DOING THE WILL OF MY FATHER.

BALONEY

While "Trinity" can be misleading, it is not misleading to MOST Christians who, if not by understanding than by faith, believe and declare that Jesus and the Father are ONE God, not 2 separate beings in any way, from ALL denominations and non-denominational, in my experiences.

Some Mormons and almost all JWs believe they are separate and unequal. But had they known the Son they would know the Spirit of the Father.

BALONEY

St. John 16:15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

God is truth, God is the way to life and is life.

You severely lack perspective. Why do you question men intead of God? Are men your teachers or are you the teacher? Can you wait long enough to be wrong? I know, it is because you do not know God that you cannot give time to be shown wrong by a God you do not even know. That's sad.

God is all things but of them all only Jesus Christ is God.

BALONEY

AKA blasphemy.

St. John 5:21 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth them; even so the Son quickeneth whom he will.

BALONEY

There you go attacking the most hated bible of all.. very telling. It's pretty clear you were heavily influenced by the JWs. Perhaps you should watch some testimonials on youtube of ex JWs, it might do you some good to hear what your expatriates think.

They can't not agree, they are aspects of the same one Almighty being.

I quite understand his misunderstandings and am not confused at his perception.

He thinks that the body and the Spirit are 2 separate beings with their own unique personalities. While they are 2 separate things with their own unique abilities they are 2 aspects of the same being.

The problem has arisen because this scripture verse has been misquoted and mis-retranslated:

St. Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

People often say Father, Son, and Holy SPIRIT but it is GHOST, not Spirit. The Father is the Spirit, the Ghost is the soul (spiritual body) and the Son is the human. Even the Ghost has title of Son because it was the first thing the Spirit begot into creation.

Yes, like that.