Judge Jeanine rips Obumma to shreds

The meat you arrogant Twit was Obama made Trump president.
Anyone who relishes red karma must be a masochist.
Don't you need to tie a rope around your neck and throw it over the top of your canopy bed and swing for a bit in a Tutu?
Your head is on my wall.

Last Edited by The Semi Shut In on 09/09/2018 12:07 PM

Nothing, my anger over Obama precedes anything she said. Here are a few of the things about Obama that make me angry, not that all of them are unique to him; he is just such a complete pile of shit that I have particilar contempt for him.

He was completely unfit in every qualification to be president. He did and does lack any qualifying knowledge in economics, the military, history, the American ideal, American law, leadership and displays only a moderate intellect that is far below what is required to grapple with complex issues.

He has a palpable hatred for the American ideal, sees only its flaws, and turns all of its graces into other flaws in his own mind. The only thing about the country that he seems to like is the fact that its biggest fools faun over him.

He has commited treason on numerous occasions, providing aid and comfort to many of the clear enemies of the Constitution and people of the US, including but not limited to Iran, Hillary, George Soros, terrorists (the Bergdal deal), the DNC, and more.

He tendered a fraudulent birth certificate to the whole nation. The document was proven beyond any reasonable doubt to be a forgery and the document used to create the forgery was even found and produced. I don't know what he is hiding, but he is commiting federal crimes to hid it.

He doubled down on stupid by providing as an answer to the problems created by government involvement in healthcare by shoving the government completely up the ass of the entire industry. This has cost me and millions of others 10s of thousands of dollars, changed my quality of life negatively and significantly reduced the quality of healthcare.

He gave the green light on public television for illegals to vote, see treason above.

He is smug and arrogant, yet profoundly ignorant of every important sphere of human knowledge. He views himself and his views as singularly superior yet his ideas have been tried countless times and always end in disaster.

He is a leftist, totalitarian, statist yet calls his opponents facists and nazis who were the quintessential leftist, totalitarian statists.

He made a business, of fomenting, racial, social, and socioeconomic discord throughout the country, but has the audacity to view himself as a uniter.

He made contless apointments to important positions, based on race or other social justice quotas rather than actual qualifications. Obviously the wrongness of this would never occur to someone like himself, but I do not give him a pass for it.

These are just the tip of the iceberg, there is so much more, much of it not just repugnant, but criminal. I don't need JudgemJanine to hate Obama and all his ilk.

Last Edited by Rentaigen on 09/09/2018 12:07 PM

And he plays the skin flute

A lot of opinion...not much substance. Just anecdotes. But, I know what you mean. That just supports my position that her rant is MEANT to get those on the right upset. Just typical rabid conditioning of the FOX fan base. I'll go at each of these things one at a time if you'd like. Tell me which angered you MOST.

And the first one made me laugh. You think Trump has a better grasp on these things than Obama?! Trump is literally retarded when compared to Obama in every single way.

Edit: To be honest, I have gone over your list several times and I have to say that there is an awful lot of bunk there! I have seen the games played with words and context on right sided sites and to be honest i would have to classify you as mentally ill if you believe anything in that list. i'm still willing to discuss them as you want but man, that list really is pathetic!

Most of the stuff all politicians are guilty of! And of course a President that said he was going to promote change would put qualified people of color in certain positions!

Not like now when rich cunts like Betsy DeVos run departments they couldn't be less qualified to run.


And to suggest Trump deserves to be, or is qualified to be President and Obama wasn't is ridiculous.

Last Edited by Educated Skeptic on 09/09/2018 12:25 PM

I almost ended with an acknolegement that most of my statements are opinions, but opinions based on facts. The only purpose of facts is to inform us so that we may draw conclusions and form opinions. You may look at the same facts I do and come to different conclusions. I listed my views the way I did, because listing all the facts upon which even one of my positions rests would be too exausting in this format.

You can tackle any issue above if you want, but it might be simpler to state first if there are any of the above positions you agree with. If there are not, I can only conclude that each of us relies on very different facts, or we are not capable of drawing similar conclusions from those facts.

I disagree that they are all based on facts. I guess it depends on how loosely you apply the term "based on".

And to be honest, I agree with none of them.

Edit: and about the part in red, I'd sure like to know which it is.

My best example would be Obama isn't a citizen crap...how do you know the birth certificate was fake? Who has proven it to be a fake beyond a reasonable doubt? I don't believe that at all! Again, part fact....Certificate was released and opinion that it was fake. I have more than reasonable doubt that it's fake. I trust the people who apply to run for President to put in the right info in the application and I trust those responsible for reviewing the application to look into any abnormalities. I also TRUST people on the right to skew information, falsify documents (Obama school ID) based on hate for Obama and make a big deal out of it to rile up the sheep. And it always works. Which is why I find people who accept everything they read on conspiracy sites as fact, fascinating!

Last Edited by Educated Skeptic on 09/09/2018 12:39 PM

Well, we may not have the ability to agree on much.

Have you watched the entire investigative presentation on the birth certificate, the one that was televised? I ask because if you can watch that and not agree the birth certificate was a forgery, we probably can't agree on much.

No, I haven't . But, I have to consider the source and the bias. I have little use for anything less than professional opinion. Well respected people in their fields of expertise and their opinions impress me more. Not angry nags using buzz words to trigger the right sheep.

Link?

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oh come on...Just the facts....I heard about his "trained posse" and almost blew milk out my nose. Can you guide me to the meat of the video? A little long.

Part about layers in .pdf logical expert response:

"It didn’t take long for some of President Obama’s doubters to claim the long-awaited birth certificate posted online by the White House had been altered or might be a fake.The doubters have latched onto the idea that Adobe Illustrator — the premier program for computer graphic artists — “reveals” evidence of document manipulation in the Obama birth certificate. They note Illustrator reveals nine separate layers of the document, and claim it’s “proof” the file has been altered.

But that’s not so, says Jean-Claude Tremblay, a leading software trainer and Adobe-certified expert, who has years of experience working with and teaching Adobe Illustrator.

He said the layers cited by doubters are evidence of the use of common, off-the-shelf scanning software — not evidence of a forgery. “I have seen a lot of illustrator documents that come from photos and contain those kind of clippings — and it looks exactly like this,” he said.

Tremblay explained that the scanner optical character recognition (OCR) software attempts to translate characters or words in a photograph into text. He said the layers cited by the doubters shows that software at work — and nothing more.

“When you open it in Illustrator it looks like layers, but it doesn’t look like someone built it from scratch. If someone made a fake it wouldn’t look like this,” he said. “Some scanning software is trying to separate the background and the text and splitting element into layers and parts of layers.”

Tremblay also said that during the scanning process, instances where the software was unable to separate text fully from background led to the creation of a separate layer within the document. This could be places where a signature runs over the line of background, or typed characters touch the internal border of the document.


I now see that they are disproving use of OCR. The problem is, not all OCR software works the same.
“I know that you can scan a document from a scanner [and] most of the time it will appear as one piece, but that doesn’t mean that there’s no software that’s doing this kind of stuff,” he said, adding that it’s really quite common."

I now see they have used optimization software to test theories and unless they used the same software, the theory is bullshit.

This is ridiculous and I'm not watching past 17:25. It's nonsense propaganda and poor quality at that! And what qualifications do the members of "the posse" have because I don't see evidence that they thought software differences at all.

Last Edited by Educated Skeptic on 09/09/2018 01:13 PM

probably smells nice too !!!

"Good Bait"

^^^^^TRUTH^^^^^

I love Judge Jeanine!

You'll just have to watch it ES, it gets far more damning, you havn't made it past the preliminaries.

The argument you posted is a what if argument that can be made in purpetuity against any evidence. Descarte's Deamon may be real, but unless you can produce him he is a poor argument.

If you are willing to discard information just because you dislike the source you are engaging in selection bias.

No, I look at the qualifications. I see a lot of people using the word "fact" when it's no such thing.

It's not bias to consider the source based on qualifications.

Last Edited by Educated Skeptic on 09/09/2018 01:24 PM

If you or I were in trouble as obombuma certainly is, the last thing we'd be doing is public speeches. He is so annoying!

You are now engaging in appeal to authority. A person can have all the "qualifications" in the world and be dead wrong or have no "qualifications" and be 100% right.

How much training does a trained investigator need to have before you would even listen to their argument? Are the trained attournies on the posse who argue legal facts in court all day not qualified? Are you aware that there are several highly regarded phorensic analysts that came to many of the same conclusions the posse did before they ever launched their investigation? No one had any problem with their "qualifications" until they pointed out things people didn't like.

I suspect you are not nearly as objective as you think and I suspect a person's qualifications for you have more to do with how well they agree with you versus the actual case they can make. I may be wrong and I admit that.

At least now you may understand my lack of detail in my prior posts. This is but one issue and you are unwilling to even listen to just one presentation from an opposing viewpoint. Every single one of my positions is based on far more discussion and consideration of as many perspectives as I can find than the mere hour long video you won't watch.

None of that makes me right about anything but it does raise doubt about your claim and your "qualifications" to make the claim that my positions aren't based on facts.

Last Edited by Rentaigen on 09/09/2018 02:00 PM

Has the information been used in any prosecution?

No, but surely you can see why that is irrelevant to the quality of the argument itself.

It was just a question

WOW! Talk about kicking ace and taking names. This lady has ice water in her veins.

She would be a great Attorney General for Trump.

Fair enough. I have enjoyed the conversation so far. It is pretty hard to improve ones arguments, or positions without engaging in debate or discussion, and I make that statement without judgement to either of us.

Your karma doesn't do you justice.

I prefer a format like this:

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Middle of the road, gets the info out quickly without hysteria and drama the right love so much.

They admit it's not from Obama. Hence Obama need not take abuse for the accusation.

Oh trust me..I have earned the red. But, all I have ever wanted to do was discuss the facts and everyone interjects emotion into everything. Again, i am fascinated by what i witness on this site.

False accusations are my trigger.

I know, for a fact, based on very well understood science, that the trails in the sky are contrails. And learning how the chemmies argue and how they gather info and the sources they avoid has gotten me interested in other groups who I see are VERY biased based on emotion.

Like evolution triggers the faithful and blah blah blah...


I see the same patterns in the types of things people believe and argue about here. I'm just taking it in and making no real judgements about anyone but I do feel that conspiracy theorists are my lab animals.

Another reason I'm fascinated is because I HAVE been proven wrong in my biased beliefs in another forum. Someone had said that Bruce Jenner was going tranny long before he ever came out and I refused to believe it. I fought hard and was then proven wrong. So, now I always look to see if I could be wrong about my positions. i work to prove my side WRONG in every way i can think of.

Last Edited by Educated Skeptic on 09/09/2018 02:37 PM

I've read that piece before, and observed the abundance of caution Arpaio had when they made their conclusions. I don't believe for a second Obama made that birth certificate. The source certificate that much of the Obama certificate was lifted from had to be gathered by professionals and was likely passed to someone less professional who really didn't know what they were doing. Although I have considered the whole thing is a red meat fraud done for the purposes of information warfare or just for a good laugh.

No matter what though, multiple crimes were committed and the document could only have been released with his authority. Considering all of this, I think he is guilty of criminal activity. Like Arpaio I don't jump to conclusion about his citizenship or anything else.

I think Obama does deserve critisism though. It is difficult to imagine plausible scenarios where he is not aware of the fraud, but even if he wasn't, if he had any integrity he would spearhead the call for further investigation and prosecution himself. I can assure you, if someone submitted false documents on my behalf to an entire nation, I'd be pretty pissed off, unless of course I ordered it.

Admirable.

I forgot to mention above that it isn't only the right that engages in hysteria or drama. The left is equally if not more guilty of the same. Failing to acknowledge that errodes the effect of your observation.

I was thinking specifically about the way the judge was acting in the video from the thread. I also see a lot of hysteria from right wingers about conspiracies. I picture Alex Jones when I read most of what is on this very site.