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Solar Observatory Evacuated, FBI Involved, Sunspot, NM

 
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Here's the deal- there are a bunch of 'solar observatories'allover the world -ASK: What capacity does the Sunspot one possess that others do not?

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ASK: What is it that a 'coronagraph' does?

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Of all the stipulations so far I'm apt to more so believe that something was seen "out there," whatever it may be, but why evacuate the entire area because of something already seen? That messes that up.

Why evacuate if even there's something coming up to be seen?...nobody would see it save for the one looking through the lens. It's the evacuation that makes this such a mystery.

If there are no employees allowed there, then they're not looking....hmmm, is the telescope also shut down/not currently being used?

I mean, it's not as if information can't be controlled - there doing a stellar job of that already - so why evacuate the post office and the people?...that just brought a rain of curiosity from folks like us and others. They had to of known some folks would go nutz over this.

If it were a matter of satellites, then wouldn't the NSA be involved?...especially given all the secrecy?...pfht, you'd think someone discovered the reason for our demise given all the secrecy.

Nobody else, just the FBI. What is the FBI investigating?

I think we need to think like an FBI agent to figure this out...what kinds of goings on do the FBI investigate?

Deaths?...yes, a classified death - some kind of freakish, scandalous death - would account for them being there, and would be why they wouldn't want anyone around. They'd need the whole place shut down to investigate the "crime scene."

But we gotta (eww) think like an FBI agent: What would they be investigating, something within their purview, and what could it be that any other agencies have not be called in to assist?

Thinking like that really kind of narrows it down, doesn't it?
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NRO, to my knowledge, doesn't have a division dedicated to shutting down observatories if one of their birds gets spotted. If something like that were ever a concern to them, they would likely go to someone like the FBI to deal with it.
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Okay...but what I'm not getting is why they needed to evacuate the place because of something they're observing.
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If that theory is correct it would be a transient event but they evacuate everyone to make sure it's not observed or only observed by cleared persons and maybe lay the groundwork for another excuse for the whole thing.
If one of their birds get spotted, then what's the fallout?....National Security is compromised?

Yet, no NSA up there.
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How do you know the NSA or NRO isn't up there? I certainly don't. Yeah, they may have some sort of sat whose profile they don't want seen, or maybe it's near a foreign country's sat and they don't want that operation observed. Who knows, there's way too many possibilities to rule it out just because the FBI is closing the facility. I'm not saying it's likely but the reasons you're giving aren't reasons against it.
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Of all the stipulations so far I'm apt to more so believe that something was seen "out there," whatever it may be, but why evacuate the entire area because of something already seen? That messes that up.

Why evacuate if even there's something coming up to be seen?...nobody would see it save for the one looking through the lens. It's the evacuation that makes this such a mystery.

If there are no employees allowed there, then they're not looking....hmmm, is the telescope also shut down/not currently being used?

I mean, it's not as if information can't be controlled - there doing a stellar job of that already - so why evacuate the post office and the people?...that just brought a rain of curiosity from folks like us and others. They had to of known some folks would go nutz over this.

If it were a matter of satellites, then wouldn't the NSA be involved?...especially given all the secrecy?...pfht, you'd think someone discovered the reason for our demise given all the secrecy.

Nobody else, just the FBI. What is the FBI investigating?

I think we need to think like an FBI agent to figure this out...what kinds of goings on do the FBI investigate?

Deaths?...yes, a classified death - some kind of freakish, scandalous death - would account for them being there, and would be why they wouldn't want anyone around. They'd need the whole place shut down to investigate the "crime scene."

But we gotta (eww) think like an FBI agent: What would they be investigating, something within their purview, and what could it be that any other agencies have not be called in to assist?

Thinking like that really kind of narrows it down, doesn't it?
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It is also interesting that the individual that the main solar telescope (DST) at this site was named after, a prolific solar astronomer- complete with Harvard creds., died under unusual circumstances by murder-suicide... at age NINETY.

Richard B. Dunn
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 Quoting: Nero the Zero


Meant to post this:


John Wainwright Evans (the facility was named after)
[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
 Quoting: Nero the Zero


Hmmm...

"Evans died on October 31, 1999 at home in Santa Fe, New Mexico... as the protagonist in a murder–suicide with his 89-year-old wife Betty."
 Quoting: Nero the Zero


Hmmm...

"It was October 31, 1999, Halloween morning. I was in my office when a fellow pilot, a former flying companion, phoned with the news: It was EgyptAir Flight 990, a giant twin-engine Boeing 767 on the way from New York to Cairo, with 217 people aboard...

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If it's got something to do with a military satellite or other military operations, they'll have the military advising them about what they need to know.

Here's another thought I had, missile launches from White Sands are definitely visible there ( [link to sunspot.solar (secure)] ), what if a foreign spy was planted to work at Sunspot and secretly keep tabs on military operations out of White Sands and neighboring bases, mailing the info out of the post office to try to stay under the radar? Now they have to shut it down to ascertain what was compromised and for how long. Just another spitball thought.
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut

Forgot about fixed solar scopes and extremely narrow transit windows.
Did you have any more particulars about possible transits that would cause concern or were the ones you mentioned pretty much it.
 Quoting: redhed6971


I mean, if you want to get really wild with the "what if's," what if Zuma wasn't actually a failed mission and they're concerned about a transit they know will occur over that observatory. I don't think it's likely that Zuma's failure was a cover for a successful stealth mission, but it has been speculated as such. If that were the case there's no way for me to check on it since it's not been observed by an amateurs. I am interested in trying to do a complete search of all possible transits by all classified satellites that amateurs have data for. In fact I'm thinking I should look into writing a program to run that kind of search automatically, it could be useful in the future as well.
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Sounds like a good plan.

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Done. Program is running now, computing all transits for all classified satellites for which we have recent amateur data from September 1st out for 30 days. God I love PyEphem, such a handy toolset. It took less than 50 lines of code to make the program, at least for its first version.
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Forgot about fixed solar scopes and extremely narrow transit windows.
Did you have any more particulars about possible transits that would cause concern or were the ones you mentioned pretty much it.
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I mean, if you want to get really wild with the "what if's," what if Zuma wasn't actually a failed mission and they're concerned about a transit they know will occur over that observatory. I don't think it's likely that Zuma's failure was a cover for a successful stealth mission, but it has been speculated as such. If that were the case there's no way for me to check on it since it's not been observed by an amateurs. I am interested in trying to do a complete search of all possible transits by all classified satellites that amateurs have data for. In fact I'm thinking I should look into writing a program to run that kind of search automatically, it could be useful in the future as well.
 Quoting: Dr. Deplorable Astromut


Sounds like a good plan.

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Done. Program is running now, computing all transits for all classified satellites for which we have recent amateur data from September 1st out for 30 days. God I love PyEphem, such a handy toolset. It took less than 50 lines of code to make the program, at least for its first version.
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Thanks Doc. Love your stuff.
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Thank you. Yep, I know that I put myself in a position that could possibly result in problems. that in itself is a reason I really didn't take many photos.

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FBI is not there investigating anything. FBI is there for the removal of people. If they refuse they go to jail. FBI is only there to ensure that no one unauthorized enters and sees anything.

The more important question is not why the FBI is there, but who ordered them to be there. Whatever agency brought them in will tell you a lot.

They are not trusting local LEOs, which tells you a lot also.

Does anyone know if that is a grass air strip just to the northwest?
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Can you see White Sands Missile Range or Holloman AFB from there?

It may be more about what can be seen on the ground from that vantage point.
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since hasmat was ruled out by the absence of related staff & stuff, as well as a terrorist threat regarding mercury steal...
I think is not related to what have already happened, like someone saw or would broadcast something along a KNOWN period of time because in this case they would not need to SHUT IT DOWN for "undetermined" time.
Looks like something they know will still happen but not with reasonable certainty of "when" so they closed it for the time that will be enough.
so, it would still be going to happen.
"what" would relate to something only they and armies (from USA, Russia, China, India, France, UK maybe) have the tech to see with similar aparatus from theirs or some other kind of tech. And would not relate to the sun or space else LASCO or STEREO, used by everyone would have to be shutdown too. Must be something between atmosphere and low orb altitude the mirror could reveal.
Wonder if a cloaked ship could be uncovered by the mirror
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they're fucking with the Academic Freedom of
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Best Thread on GLP this, prob all bolloks, but gets the mind going lol.
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It is also interesting that the individual that the main solar telescope (DST) at this site was named after, a prolific solar astronomer- complete with Harvard creds., died under unusual circumstances by murder-suicide... at age NINETY.

Richard B. Dunn
[link to aas.org (secure)]
 Quoting: Nero the Zero


Meant to post this:


John Wainwright Evans (the facility was named after)
[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
 Quoting: Nero the Zero


Hmmm...

"Evans died on October 31, 1999 at home in Santa Fe, New Mexico... as the protagonist in a murder–suicide with his 89-year-old wife Betty."
 Quoting: Nero the Zero


Hmmm...

"It was October 31, 1999, Halloween morning. I was in my office when a fellow pilot, a former flying companion, phoned with the news: It was EgyptAir Flight 990, a giant twin-engine Boeing 767 on the way from New York to Cairo, with 217 people aboard...

...It had taken off from Kennedy Airport in the middle of the night, climbed to 33,000 feet, and flown normally for half an hour before mysteriously plummeting into the Atlantic Ocean sixty miles south of Nantucket...

...The problem was not so much the scale of the carnage—a terrible consequence of the 767's size—but, rather, the still-sketchy profile of the upset that preceded it, this bewildering fall out of the sky on a calm night, without explanation, during an utterly uncritical phase of the flight."

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"In this OBE, I hear men's voices and they are talking about blood sacrifices. The feeling is that they are part of a secret and powerful global Occult group - a secret society. From what I gather, this isn't the only such group and it seems as if they want this blood sacrifice as a sort of victory over the other Occult group. This blood sacrifice also has to involve special dates, times, numbers, and other ingredients special to them. It is agreed that the blood sacrifice will be from a plane crash, and that this will happen on October 31, 1999. They further say that if they will amplify their powers by repeating the sacrifice, on October 31, 2000, with another plane."

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Meant to post this:


John Wainwright Evans (the facility was named after)
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 Quoting: Nero the Zero


Hmmm...

"Evans died on October 31, 1999 at home in Santa Fe, New Mexico... as the protagonist in a murder–suicide with his 89-year-old wife Betty."
 Quoting: Nero the Zero


Hmmm...

"It was October 31, 1999, Halloween morning. I was in my office when a fellow pilot, a former flying companion, phoned with the news: It was EgyptAir Flight 990, a giant twin-engine Boeing 767 on the way from New York to Cairo, with 217 people aboard...

...It had taken off from Kennedy Airport in the middle of the night, climbed to 33,000 feet, and flown normally for half an hour before mysteriously plummeting into the Atlantic Ocean sixty miles south of Nantucket...

...The problem was not so much the scale of the carnage—a terrible consequence of the 767's size—but, rather, the still-sketchy profile of the upset that preceded it, this bewildering fall out of the sky on a calm night, without explanation, during an utterly uncritical phase of the flight."

[link to www.theatlantic.com (secure)]
 Quoting: Nero the Zero


"In this OBE, I hear men's voices and they are talking about blood sacrifices. The feeling is that they are part of a secret and powerful global Occult group - a secret society. From what I gather, this isn't the only such group and it seems as if they want this blood sacrifice as a sort of victory over the other Occult group. This blood sacrifice also has to involve special dates, times, numbers, and other ingredients special to them. It is agreed that the blood sacrifice will be from a plane crash, and that this will happen on October 31, 1999. They further say that if they will amplify their powers by repeating the sacrifice, on October 31, 2000, with another plane."

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wtf

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FBI is not there investigating anything. FBI is there for the removal of people. If they refuse they go to jail. FBI is only there to ensure that no one unauthorized enters and sees anything.

The more important question is not why the FBI is there, but who ordered them to be there. Whatever agency brought them in will tell you a lot.

They are not trusting local LEOs, which tells you a lot also.

Does anyone know if that is a grass air strip just to the northwest?
 Quoting: TeamReaperTX


Can you see White Sands Missile Range or Holloman AFB from there?

It may be more about what can be seen on the ground from that vantage point.
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This exactly!!! Those FBI are there at someone else's orders, whose?
White Sands is on the West side of the Sacramento Mountains, and yes, it looks down towards the west/southwest to White Sands. Before you get even close to Sunspot, from Cloudroft you take hwy 131 south and mountains on the left and looking down to desert on the right. Beautiful drive, and there is a pull in spot off the highway that you can take some great photos of the white sand dunes.
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FBI is not there investigating anything. FBI is there for the removal of people. If they refuse they go to jail. FBI is only there to ensure that no one unauthorized enters and sees anything.

The more important question is not why the FBI is there, but who ordered them to be there. Whatever agency brought them in will tell you a lot.

They are not trusting local LEOs, which tells you a lot also.

Does anyone know if that is a grass air strip just to the northwest?
 Quoting: TeamReaperTX


Can you see White Sands Missile Range or Holloman AFB from there?

It may be more about what can be seen on the ground from that vantage point.
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Yes, I was speculating about that as well, you can definitely see launches from White Sands up there, but then again you can see that from a wide area around there. It might be attractive to a foreign nation to plant a spy up there to keep tabs on things, but then you'd think they'd make a targeted arrest for something like that rather than a complete hush hush shutdown.
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Here's the list of the employees (see the sunspot only) and its updated.
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Here's the deal- there are a bunch of 'solar observatories'allover the world -ASK: What capacity does the Sunspot one possess that others do not?

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]

ASK: What is it that a 'coronagraph' does?

[link to en.wikipedia.org (secure)]
 Quoting: Nero the Zero



Of all the stipulations so far I'm apt to more so believe that something was seen "out there," whatever it may be, but why evacuate the entire area because of something already seen? That messes that up.

Why evacuate if even there's something coming up to be seen?...nobody would see it save for the one looking through the lens. It's the evacuation that makes this such a mystery.

If there are no employees allowed there, then they're not looking....hmmm, is the telescope also shut down/not currently being used?

I mean, it's not as if information can't be controlled - there doing a stellar job of that already - so why evacuate the post office and the people?...that just brought a rain of curiosity from folks like us and others. They had to of known some folks would go nutz over this.

If it were a matter of satellites, then wouldn't the NSA be involved?...especially given all the secrecy?...pfht, you'd think someone discovered the reason for our demise given all the secrecy.

Nobody else, just the FBI. What is the FBI investigating?

I think we need to think like an FBI agent to figure this out...what kinds of goings on do the FBI investigate?

Deaths?...yes, a classified death - some kind of freakish, scandalous death - would account for them being there, and would be why they wouldn't want anyone around. They'd need the whole place shut down to investigate the "crime scene."

But we gotta (eww) think like an FBI agent: What would they be investigating, something within their purview, and what could it be that any other agencies have not be called in to assist?

Thinking like that really kind of narrows it down, doesn't it?
 Quoting: cosmicgypsy


1- Separate everyone for interrogation to find the proof.
 Quoting: Phillip J. Fry


They're not interrogating anyone...at least not yet, not that anyone is saying.

They are, the FBI, not talking to anyone, and the Sunspot postal worker/s are temporarily working in Cloudcroft.

I don't think the FBI is at all concerned about them. If they were concerned they knew something would they just move them to another office, or isolate them?


2- Computer log would show it was copied, but not transmitted electronically out of the contained area.
 Quoting: Phillip J. Fry


I dunno, when Holloman AFB is doing some top secret business or flights, all the Internet goes down throughout my town. They just shut down all Internet access for the duration. No warning.

It sure seems much wiser to take a course of action we're all accustomed to and shutting down public access while transferring sensitive info, rather than bring the scrutiny they are this way.


3- The Post Office evacuated, it could be in the mail.
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Okay, but why evacuate everyone else, too?...and we've already pretty much established this is not a chemical/toxin-type of concern. There's no one else (that we know of) onsite but the FBI.


4- Yes, after the Event is sanitized. What happened to the leakers in the movie 2012?
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I dunno....tounge

What happened?....popcorn


That there was some kind of death up there that needed to be covered up is my rational and reasonable mind working in tandem with my intuitive mind. I obviously don't know anymore than anyone else, but I sure have been thinking about it. I live so close I can't help but think about it.

It would be so fantastic and exciting if it were that the scientists up there saw something in the space sky....heh, but what are the chances?

I am of the mind that it MIGHT have to do with something like an untimely and inconvenient death, given it's just the FBI that has responded.
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the FBI's job is to do what The Deep State tells them to do.
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What about this theory? A suspicious package with powder was mailed to the observatory. This would shut down both places.

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Sorry if someone else posted this but it looks like it came out today and this websites links always work. For your perusal.
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What about this theory? A suspicious package with powder was mailed to the observatory. This would shut down both places.

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Then where's Hazmat, Homeland Security and any other agencies that would respond to something like a toxic agent being sent in the mail?
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FBI is not there investigating anything. FBI is there for the removal of people. If they refuse they go to jail. FBI is only there to ensure that no one unauthorized enters and sees anything.

The more important question is not why the FBI is there, but who ordered them to be there. Whatever agency brought them in will tell you a lot.

They are not trusting local LEOs, which tells you a lot also.

Does anyone know if that is a grass air strip just to the northwest?
 Quoting: TeamReaperTX


Can you see White Sands Missile Range or Holloman AFB from there?

It may be more about what can be seen on the ground from that vantage point.
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What about this theory? A suspicious package with powder was mailed to the observatory. This would shut down both places.

MoS
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My logical assumption would be that hazmat operations would be set up, yet I drove right up to the town entrance where it was not very far from the caution tape.
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It´s clear, that it doesn´t have anything to do woth the sun itself. The sun is observed all over the world.

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... yep! ... if the sun were the "issue" more observatories would have to be closed ...
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"We have decided to vacate the facility at this time as precautionary measure. It was our decision to evacuate the facility."

It was their decision? Not the FBI? That sounds more like a threat mailed to the facility, perhaps credible sounding, perhaps from a disgruntled employee and they don't yet know who. Maybe there was no suspicious substance or anything, but maybe this threat had specific details that indicated inside knowledge of the facility.
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However aren't there other solar observatories world wide at least this in position in out side the U.S. as say in Peru or Chile that would have the same viewing capability, and hence experience the same scenario to prevent observation.
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There are solar telescopes all over the world, but the odds that a particular low orbit satellite (anything higher is unlikely to reveal detail) will transit from the perspective of a fixed telescope at a permanent observatory are relatively low. The corridor for such transits are very narrow. I've only ever seen ISS transits because I drove my telescope into the corridor. This site has some of the most powerful solar telescopes on earth and it's within the jurisdiction of the US, so it makes sense that they could be concerned about what it sees if a classified satellite transits. Plus the Dunn Solar Telescope has advanced adaptive optics that could end up revealing more detail than what most other solar telescopes could detect.

Just for fun I checked when the secret space shuttle X-37B (it's still up there) would transit the sun or moon from Sunspot NM given its current amateur-determined orbital elements. Nothing came up, even when I tried to predict it over the next two months, and as far back as August.

I also checked for several other satellites of interest, such as the Russian satellites that have been behaving weird. Cosmos 2521 was one of the ones involved with those Russian sat maneuvers ( [link to www.space.com (secure)] ) and appears to be set to cross the moon on Monday September 24th from Sunspot NM. If they're trying to get equipment in place to observe it they might need that kind of time, but that seems silly to give it away; a simple orbital maneuver by the Russians this far out wouldn't take much to render that transit invalid. Plus it's a lunar transit, not a solar transit. The scopes that are there aren't really designed for that. And not to play the "if I ran the zoo fallacy," but I would think they could get much better direct imaging of it from the nearby Starfire Optical Range at Kirtland AFB even when it's not transiting anything anyway.
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In addition to its excellent scientific capabilities, Starfire has a second mission: killing satellites. Details are scarce, but the military application of a directed-energy beam of sufficient scale and power isn’t hard to imagine. It might look like the Boeing flying laser plane that was designed to shoot down ballistic missiles. The now-canceled project used chemical oxygen iodine laser (COIL) technology that was invented at the Starfire Range.


Dude excellent post, Maybe they are planning to test the satelite killing lazer and need the sunspot telescope as extra tracking, easier to triangulate with more eyes on target.
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What about this theory? A suspicious package with powder was mailed to the observatory. This would shut down both places.

MoS
 Quoting: Mayor of Simpleton


My logical assumption would be that hazmat operations would be set up, yet I drove right up to the town entrance where it was not very far from the caution tape.
 Quoting: The Wicked One


The caution tape is only there to make you aware to be cautious, so go past the tape, take a good phone and photo whatever you see, "photo whatever" i dont care, just curious now, and you maybe the closest ever on a glp thread to GO LOOK omg.
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Wow, what a ding a ling I am! I forgot until just now about what the reasoning was that the tour through the big telescope couldn't be done that day. She told us that the scientists had been working nights on a project and that the next week they would be going back to days. So, working nights, not more than a couple of months ago, what was that project?
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... hmmmmm ... interesting ...
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When you tear out a man's tongue, you are not proving him a liar. You are only telling the world that you fear what he might say. Quoting: CountryWise

Amos 5:13 - Therefore at such a time the prudent person keeps silent, for it is an evil time.
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"We have decided to vacate the facility at this time as precautionary measure. It was our decision to evacuate the facility."

It was their decision? Not the FBI? That sounds more like a threat mailed to the facility, perhaps credible sounding, perhaps from a disgruntled employee and they don't yet know who. Maybe there was no suspicious substance or anything, but maybe this threat had specific details that indicated inside knowledge of the facility.
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That seems very reasonable of an explanation....as long as those people were not told to say that.

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Okay, thinking about the theory of someone meeting an untimely death on the property...that doesn't seem logical given the timeline now. It has been closed down way too long to be a death investigation. The FBI can wrap that stuff up relatively quick and I don't know of many that go on for days or indefinitely. Not unless there was a bloodbath up there, which is highly unlikely given that there have been no reports of missing persons by family members. Plus, tptb would likely capitalize on the scene and throw the terrorism card out for us to all be scared of.
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09/11/2018 03:29 PM
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What about this theory? A suspicious package with powder was mailed to the observatory. This would shut down both places.

MoS
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My logical assumption would be that hazmat operations would be set up, yet I drove right up to the town entrance where it was not very far from the caution tape.
 Quoting: The Wicked One


The caution tape is only there to make you aware to be cautious, so go past the tape, take a good phone and photo whatever you see, "photo whatever" i dont care, just curious now, and you maybe the closest ever on a glp thread to GO LOOK omg.
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Umm, no, got as close as I want to. I value my freedom.





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