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In These Final Moments, Most Christians Are Deceived...

 
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The deception is that they think they're "right with God"...


Saw a post elsewhere today about how anxious this nice Christian was about others who don't know God... and the suffering of the future days, meaning the great tribulation etc.

While this is a nice thought, it Proves the person lamenting for others is clueless about their own alienation. That's deception for you. Unable to see what you are even if looking in a mirror.

It's the Matthew 24 situation... vs 21-24:
21. For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.


It ALL Comes Down To This: Who Are The Very Elect?

If you're not Born-Again, per Ezekiel 36:26-27, you can't KNOW... You can't KNOW because you never Came Unto The Father and were Given "A New Heart" Of HIS Flesh and you weren't Enabled to KNOW and DO HIS Will and "Keep MY Statutes".

But, this is Laodicea and very few Christians "elected-chose" to Trust God Fully and Give HIM their lives.


So, those well-meaning Christians, unable though they are to Trust God Fully, worry about others...

Of course they do... They mean well... They just can't mean well enough to Trust God and live their lives Through HIM.


Lamenting for others when you are unable, unwilling to see The Truth about yourself...


Worried about "the great tribulation"?
In John ch 17, Jesus Witnesses that HIS People, the ones Father Entrusted Unto HIM, and HE Gave Back To Father before being crucified, were "Preserved against all evil."

Not a hard concept to understand, but one contemporary Christians won't "believe" or choose to ignore. Of course, not being Born-Again, they can't KNOW Life Lived With, In, and Through God The Father...


Before the man-of-sin comes to the world stage, (Rev 14:9) there are a couple other key events that Revelation Says will happen... God Has 3 Angels Give Witness in Rev 14:7-9... Angel 1, vs 7 Witnesses to every living (and dead) being that The Father IS Real and HIS Son Comes In Judgment! This ENDS The Age Of Faith (and closes The Way Unto The Father!). Angel 2 (vs. 8) Witnesses the fall of Mystery Babylon the city/state/nation "gone in one hour". This is the USA removed from the world stage as a player...


Lots happening before all the feared events begin to transpire...

Most crucial being Rev 14:7 The Closing Of The Way Unto The Father...

These ARE The Final Moments...
Really worth taking a look in your spiritual mirror and asking if you're living The Born-Again Life?

John ch 17... Jesus' Witness of The Born-Again Life. HIS ONLY Witness Given in form of a Prayer... Might just be important??? Can you see your life described their BY HIM?

First John Epistle ch 2:19-27 is St. John's Witness of The Born-Again Life. Do you have that "Unction From The Holy One and KNOW all things"? You DO if you're Born-Again...

Then there's Ezekiel 36:26-27, The Concise Witness of The Born-Again Life...
26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


You can't help but KNOW when, how, why, and what you said when you Came Unto The Father; IF you are Born-Again...

There's no Believing or Faith involved here... YOU KNOW... You Experienced IT. You Stood IN Father's Presence and KNOW HE Gave You that New Heart Of HIS Flesh!


Don't Know those things Witnessed of in the 3 Scriptural citations mentioned above? There's your answer in your spiritual mirror...


While it is seemingly pious, humble, charitable, and caring to have concerns for others "making it through" I say that Jesus Witnesses about those like you...

Matt 7:21-23... Here HE Says HE ONLY KNOWS those "Who DO MY Father's Will..." This means HE Only Knows those Father Enabled to do so when they were Born-Again...
1. "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23. And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."


Come to grips with this, about The Lord's Witness: those HE Rejects had done Miracles, Cast-Out demons, and Prophesied In HIS Name... Have you?

Those HE Rejects did everything except Come Unto The Father and thereby Become Born-Again. They remained carnal-hearted "workers of iniquity" (self-willed) not Doers Of Father's Will...

If Ezekiel 36:26-27 Born-Again, you KNOW that God's Will IS ALWAYS Perfect!

Those unable/unwilling to Trust HIM Fully are failed vessels... You are what your are, and ain't what you ain't...

If you would BE HIS???
NOW IS THE TIME TO TELL HIM SO!


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Irony!
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Irony!
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


With a signature showing concerns for everything that is of this worldly, American situation; Irony is staring you in the face...


The irony is as Jesus Expresses to Nicodemus in John 3:
10. Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
11. Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12. If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?



Not Receiving Jesus' Witness from The Gospels is at the heart of the matter...

We were raised to accept/believe that "education" was a matter of rote repetition, and devotion and spirituality were expressed the same way, for the same hour each Sunday, the same study of Bible verses and acceptance of what those with divinity degrees told us.

Actually it couldn't be further from HIS Truth!

Christ Witnesses to Nic, but Nic just can't accept HIS Word... Nic questions, but not to seek clarity.


Coming Into Relationship With God is not something another can lead us to or guide us within. Christ HAS Made Our Way, up to us to Come Unto Father. The Holy Spirity Guides our lives, once we Come Unto Father and are Born-Again... But those of our era who got their divinity degrees and credentials just forgot about God and won't conceive that HE Can Be KNOWN Personally and Directly.

The irony is how can they teach/minister/preach that which they might have studied, but never actually experienced and therefore KNOWN...


The deception is most insidious when self-will motivates sacrifice, martyrdom, hardship; and for what purpose? To meet self-determined and self-directed effort to prove something to God...


If you look at Christ Jesus, all HIS Motivations were To Serve HIS Father's Will. Unlike us, Being Of The Holy Trinity, HE Never Knew anything but To Do God's Will and Had Full Understanding and Capacity.

Read Matt 22:1-14 The Parable of The King's Wedding Feast For HIS Son... no mention of The Son except in the title. Christianity is not about Christ Jesus, other than HIS Perfection and Adherence To HIS Father's Will.




Christ Gave HIS Life To Enable Us To Come Unto The Father and Live In and With HIM In Personal and Direct Relationship.

The irony of Laodiceans is there is no need to "understand" God's Will or HIS Motivations: IN Fact, you cannot!

Do you need to "understand" how our lungs and blood system harvest oxygen from air before we can breathe? Do you need to "understand" how occular receptors manifest light impluses into sight before you can see?

If you Love God with all your heart, what more do you need to "understand" before you can Trust HIM Fully and surrender your self and your will Unto HIM?


The carnal-world denigrates those who Trust God and put their dependence upon HIM. Of course, what we "worship" is what we can derive from our interaction with the world; ignorant of all that Relationship With God can Do For Us and Others...

The irony is so many who claim to Serve HIM, have no Relationship With HIM, so they're serving what they would have HIM be and approve of. Ultimately they rationalize that they have HIS approval, and others support their efforts from their own ignorance, and so we have self-willed paradigms of failure.

Do Christians seek failure? Not really. They invented a new gospel of abundance which maintains that the wealthier one is, the more God approves of their life choices...

But why not? After all, God is whoever they rationalize HIM to be...

"WE Tell you what We Have Seen and Know, and still you reject OUR Witness!" Christ Jesus to Nicodemus John 3:11


The great Laodicean result of Bible Study: "I don't Know what it says In The Scripture, but for sure it doesn't say that!"

It ain't irony...
It's rejection, failure to manifest our hearts For God...

If we KNOW WHO Christ Jesus IS, then it's because The Father PUT That Knowledge On our heart... Matt 16:13-19

Claiming HIM and making all the right pretense but not being Willing to act on what we claim or feel is simply dysfunction.

God's Plan for men has not changed since Jesus Gave HIS Life To Enable Us To Come Unto The Father...

The more studied conemporary Christians are, the further they position themselves from God. Now that's irony...
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9teen Hi Lester, it's nice to see you back. Yes basically it's all about having a personal relationship with the Lord.
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Who ARE The Very Elect?

They are those for whom Christ Witnesses "the days will be shortened for the very elect's sake"...

This is in order to prevent all flesh from being destroyed.

In these Final Days, The Lord Says, all Christians will suffer deception: "Even (were it possible), The Very Elect".


Yet, it's not possible to deceive The Very Elect...

Most Christians fancy themselves in so many as "right with God"... They claim HIM. They say they Walk With HIM... They sing songs to and for HIM, they write "words" claiming Jesus Said thus and so to me; or Came To me in a dream...

Christians today say just about everything about Christ; but not so much about Father... They don't really understand about The Father, or concern themselves with HIM.

Yet, Jesus Is ALL About HIS Father...
There is great incongruity in this fact.
Such is the common denominator for suffering the widespread deception.


Got to KNOW The Father by having been Born-Again in order to be Enabled To DO HIS Will.



Pretty much The Entirety of Christianity is Witnessed By Jesus in HIS Parable: The King's Wedding Feast For HIS Son, matt 22:1-14
1. And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,
2. The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,


3. And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
4. Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
5. But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
6. And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
7. But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
8. Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.


9. Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10. So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.

11. And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12. And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13. Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.


14. For many are called, but few are chosen.



Who ARE The Very Elect?
They are those who Elected, CHOSE to Trust God Fully with every aspect of their lives, and thereby Were Born-Again through their surrender of self Unto The Father...


"Marvel not that I Say unto you, YE MUST Be Born-Again!"

Many were Called to Come Unto The Father, but only a few Elected To Do So...


Such is the reason for the incredibly widespread deception among those of this Laodicean church age....


God Put Everything you need Upon Your Heart...
You CHOSE To Ignore HIS Call.

But you're gonna claim HIM all the way til HE Tells You: "Depart from ME, you who work iniquity: I KNOW YOU NOT!"


The deception manifests in so many ways...
Fear that God cannot protect HIS People during the great tribulation.
Fear that only certain religious precepts and practices are valid in God's Eyes.
Ultimately it is fear that motivates that which separates us from God.

Sin is caused in this world by alienation from HIM.
No matter how godly and justified a Christian you might be, unless Born-Again and Given Knowledge Of HIS Will and Enabled to DO HIS Will, what you do is sin. Sin because it is not Of-HIM...

But the deceived and rationalize and justify. The carnal-heart is so powerful; only by surrrendering Unto The Father can it be Defeated. Only God Can Deliver Us from the sin of Eden, choice of self-will over God's...


The old saying among kids was "it takes one to know one"... Very True... Only a Born-Again can witness what Father Delivered him or her from. Each different, yet all the same.
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9teen Hi Lester, it's nice to see you back. Yes basically it's all about having a personal relationship with the Lord.
 Quoting: Judethz


Since you have banned me from all of your threads for the past several years, I'm touched that you would take a moment.

Yes, Christ Died To Enable Personal and Direct Relationship for us With HIS Father. Most Christians just unwilling to accept this, no matter how much Grace and Mercy Father Extends to us.

Our lives were not Given to us to make money, become famous, create higher learning, or anything else that takes us away from God.

All we have is who and what we are. That it takes brokenness for most to turn to God says it all. So much Mercy and Grace. All their if we desire Only HIM!
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Jesus did not start a religion... Those who are GOD SEEKIING and desiring of the LIFE ETeRNAL are always "saved"... That SAVED thing is utterly STUPID.

Jesus did not visit directly his other 3.8 million worlds with human life and set up religions . THINK people.. for you have GOD GIVEN MINDS and during 4d you will learn to stop copy cat and THINK for yourselves.
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Pinned and 5 stars! It is the end! Trust Jesus! Willingly suffer joyfully. Run to your cross! He is worth it all. The end is here people Trump is the destruction.
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:9teen: Hi Lester, it's nice to see you back. Yes basically it's all about having a personal relationship with the Lord.
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Judeth... its about the PERSONAL relationship with YOUR INDWELLING GOD FRAGMENT and JESUS TAUGHT THAT ONE. It is not about a religion.

GET thyself into MORAL SERICE and MORAL MIND GROWING and everything will be FINe.

Many of you Christians think the slaughter that occured in the MIddle East against muslims is justified because they don't have Jesus and that is a crock of BS to the extreme.
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The deception is that they think they're "right with God"...


Saw a post elsewhere today about how anxious this nice Christian was about others who don't know God... and the suffering of the future days, meaning the great tribulation etc.

While this is a nice thought, it Proves the person lamenting for others is clueless about their own alienation. That's deception for you. Unable to see what you are even if looking in a mirror.

It's the Matthew 24 situation... vs 21-24:
21. For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.


It ALL Comes Down To This: Who Are The Very Elect?

If you're not Born-Again, per Ezekiel 36:26-27, you can't KNOW... You can't KNOW because you never Came Unto The Father and were Given "A New Heart" Of HIS Flesh and you weren't Enabled to KNOW and DO HIS Will and "Keep MY Statutes".

But, this is Laodicea and very few Christians "elected-chose" to Trust God Fully and Give HIM their lives.


So, those well-meaning Christians, unable though they are to Trust God Fully, worry about others...

Of course they do... They mean well... They just can't mean well enough to Trust God and live their lives Through HIM.


Lamenting for others when you are unable, unwilling to see The Truth about yourself...


Worried about "the great tribulation"?
In John ch 17, Jesus Witnesses that HIS People, the ones Father Entrusted Unto HIM, and HE Gave Back To Father before being crucified, were "Preserved against all evil."

Not a hard concept to understand, but one contemporary Christians won't "believe" or choose to ignore. Of course, not being Born-Again, they can't KNOW Life Lived With, In, and Through God The Father...


Before the man-of-sin comes to the world stage, (Rev 14:9) there are a couple other key events that Revelation Says will happen... God Has 3 Angels Give Witness in Rev 14:7-9... Angel 1, vs 7 Witnesses to every living (and dead) being that The Father IS Real and HIS Son Comes In Judgment! This ENDS The Age Of Faith (and closes The Way Unto The Father!). Angel 2 (vs. 8) Witnesses the fall of Mystery Babylon the city/state/nation "gone in one hour". This is the USA removed from the world stage as a player...


Lots happening before all the feared events begin to transpire...

Most crucial being Rev 14:7 The Closing Of The Way Unto The Father...

These ARE The Final Moments...
Really worth taking a look in your spiritual mirror and asking if you're living The Born-Again Life?

John ch 17... Jesus' Witness of The Born-Again Life. HIS ONLY Witness Given in form of a Prayer... Might just be important??? Can you see your life described their BY HIM?

First John Epistle ch 2:19-27 is St. John's Witness of The Born-Again Life. Do you have that "Unction From The Holy One and KNOW all things"? You DO if you're Born-Again...

Then there's Ezekiel 36:26-27, The Concise Witness of The Born-Again Life...
26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


You can't help but KNOW when, how, why, and what you said when you Came Unto The Father; IF you are Born-Again...

There's no Believing or Faith involved here... YOU KNOW... You Experienced IT. You Stood IN Father's Presence and KNOW HE Gave You that New Heart Of HIS Flesh!


Don't Know those things Witnessed of in the 3 Scriptural citations mentioned above? There's your answer in your spiritual mirror...


While it is seemingly pious, humble, charitable, and caring to have concerns for others "making it through" I say that Jesus Witnesses about those like you...

Matt 7:21-23... Here HE Says HE ONLY KNOWS those "Who DO MY Father's Will..." This means HE Only Knows those Father Enabled to do so when they were Born-Again...
1. "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23. And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."


Come to grips with this, about The Lord's Witness: those HE Rejects had done Miracles, Cast-Out demons, and Prophesied In HIS Name... Have you?

Those HE Rejects did everything except Come Unto The Father and thereby Become Born-Again. They remained carnal-hearted "workers of iniquity" (self-willed) not Doers Of Father's Will...

If Ezekiel 36:26-27 Born-Again, you KNOW that God's Will IS ALWAYS Perfect!

Those unable/unwilling to Trust HIM Fully are failed vessels... You are what your are, and ain't what you ain't...

If you would BE HIS???
NOW IS THE TIME TO TELL HIM SO!


Marantha!!!
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Separating yourself from God (forgetting your self) is a perfectly natural process and it happens to everyone. The soul likes to express all aspects of himself including his lower nature and that requires one to be in a state of ignorance in order to perform degraded actions or control, exploit and manipulate others. Everyone knows how far they can go and they have sufficient strength to handle the negative consequences of their actions and the suffering it entails.

Some suffer a little and some suffer greatly but nobody can ever be lost because everyone is a part of this eternal existence. Even if you suicide in consecutive births eventually you will tire of it and get you act together. You have no choice.

To play a role in paradise on earth requires a huge sacrifice here and now, to die to this world and live under God’s protective canopy, settle all your outstanding accounts, clear out the sin, put your mind right etc, but this is a personal choice and not for everyone.

Another option is to adopt the Buddhist approach and seek liberation from material existence which will reward you with extended stay in the home, nirvana. Then when paradise on earth is finished you will come down and experience your heaven in the following age which is still highly elevated.

Some people are enjoying their heaven right here and now in the depths of hell and they are perfectly entitled to do so.

Great patience is needed.
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Jesus did not start a religion... Those who are GOD SEEKIING and desiring of the LIFE ETeRNAL are always "saved"... That SAVED thing is utterly STUPID.

Jesus did not visit directly his other 3.8 million worlds with human life and set up religions . THINK people.. for you have GOD GIVEN MINDS and during 4d you will learn to stop copy cat and THINK for yourselves.
 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL


Thinking is not The Solution to this deception...
More the cause of it, If we consider Jesus' Witness in Matt 13:10. And the disciples came, and said unto him, Why speakest thou unto them in parables?

11. He answered and said unto them, "Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
12. For whosoever hath, to him shall be given, and he shall have more abundance: but whosoever hath not, from him shall be taken away even that he hath.
13. Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
14. And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
15. For this people's heart is waxed gross, and their ears are dull of hearing, and their eyes they have closed; lest at any time they should see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and should understand with their heart, and should be converted, and I should heal them."


All about your heart...
Do you have enough heart, enough Love within to Trust God Fully and Give HIM All you are and and ever will be?

That's the start and also the conclusion...
Being Born-Again is the best there is.
Abiding In and With God...
You type-A achievers need more?
Really?

No Born-Again needs "religion" or The Bible... You Got God The Father To Ask and Receive Guidance From... Not anyone else or anything else you "need"...
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Irony!
 Quoting: Naturalborntripper


With a signature showing concerns for everything that is of this worldly, American situation; Irony is staring you in the face...


The irony is as Jesus Expresses to Nicodemus in John 3:
10. Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
11. Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12. If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?



Not Receiving Jesus' Witness from The Gospels is at the heart of the matter...

We were raised to accept/believe that "education" was a matter of rote repetition, and devotion and spirituality were expressed the same way, for the same hour each Sunday, the same study of Bible verses and acceptance of what those with divinity degrees told us.

Actually it couldn't be further from HIS Truth!

Christ Witnesses to Nic, but Nic just can't accept HIS Word... Nic questions, but not to seek clarity.


Coming Into Relationship With God is not something another can lead us to or guide us within. Christ HAS Made Our Way, up to us to Come Unto Father. The Holy Spirity Guides our lives, once we Come Unto Father and are Born-Again... But those of our era who got their divinity degrees and credentials just forgot about God and won't conceive that HE Can Be KNOWN Personally and Directly.

The irony is how can they teach/minister/preach that which they might have studied, but never actually experienced and therefore KNOWN...


The deception is most insidious when self-will motivates sacrifice, martyrdom, hardship; and for what purpose? To meet self-determined and self-directed effort to prove something to God...


If you look at Christ Jesus, all HIS Motivations were To Serve HIS Father's Will. Unlike us, Being Of The Holy Trinity, HE Never Knew anything but To Do God's Will and Had Full Understanding and Capacity.

Read Matt 22:1-14 The Parable of The King's Wedding Feast For HIS Son... no mention of The Son except in the title. Christianity is not about Christ Jesus, other than HIS Perfection and Adherence To HIS Father's Will.




Christ Gave HIS Life To Enable Us To Come Unto The Father and Live In and With HIM In Personal and Direct Relationship.

The irony of Laodiceans is there is no need to "understand" God's Will or HIS Motivations: IN Fact, you cannot!

Do you need to "understand" how our lungs and blood system harvest oxygen from air before we can breathe? Do you need to "understand" how occular receptors manifest light impluses into sight before you can see?

If you Love God with all your heart, what more do you need to "understand" before you can Trust HIM Fully and surrender your self and your will Unto HIM?


The carnal-world denigrates those who Trust God and put their dependence upon HIM. Of course, what we "worship" is what we can derive from our interaction with the world; ignorant of all that Relationship With God can Do For Us and Others...

The irony is so many who claim to Serve HIM, have no Relationship With HIM, so they're serving what they would have HIM be and approve of. Ultimately they rationalize that they have HIS approval, and others support their efforts from their own ignorance, and so we have self-willed paradigms of failure.

Do Christians seek failure? Not really. They invented a new gospel of abundance which maintains that the wealthier one is, the more God approves of their life choices...

But why not? After all, God is whoever they rationalize HIM to be...

"WE Tell you what We Have Seen and Know, and still you reject OUR Witness!" Christ Jesus to Nicodemus John 3:11


The great Laodicean result of Bible Study: "I don't Know what it says In The Scripture, but for sure it doesn't say that!"

It ain't irony...
It's rejection, failure to manifest our hearts For God...

If we KNOW WHO Christ Jesus IS, then it's because The Father PUT That Knowledge On our heart... Matt 16:13-19

Claiming HIM and making all the right pretense but not being Willing to act on what we claim or feel is simply dysfunction.

God's Plan for men has not changed since Jesus Gave HIS Life To Enable Us To Come Unto The Father...

The more studied conemporary Christians are, the further they position themselves from God. Now that's irony...
 Quoting: Lester


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The deception is that they think they're "right with God"...


Saw a post elsewhere today about how anxious this nice Christian was about others who don't know God... and the suffering of the future days, meaning the great tribulation etc.

While this is a nice thought, it Proves the person lamenting for others is clueless about their own alienation. That's deception for you. Unable to see what you are even if looking in a mirror.

It's the Matthew 24 situation... vs 21-24:
21. For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.


It ALL Comes Down To This: Who Are The Very Elect?

If you're not Born-Again, per Ezekiel 36:26-27, you can't KNOW... You can't KNOW because you never Came Unto The Father and were Given "A New Heart" Of HIS Flesh and you weren't Enabled to KNOW and DO HIS Will and "Keep MY Statutes".

But, this is Laodicea and very few Christians "elected-chose" to Trust God Fully and Give HIM their lives.


So, those well-meaning Christians, unable though they are to Trust God Fully, worry about others...

Of course they do... They mean well... They just can't mean well enough to Trust God and live their lives Through HIM.


Lamenting for others when you are unable, unwilling to see The Truth about yourself...


Worried about "the great tribulation"?
In John ch 17, Jesus Witnesses that HIS People, the ones Father Entrusted Unto HIM, and HE Gave Back To Father before being crucified, were "Preserved against all evil."

Not a hard concept to understand, but one contemporary Christians won't "believe" or choose to ignore. Of course, not being Born-Again, they can't KNOW Life Lived With, In, and Through God The Father...


Before the man-of-sin comes to the world stage, (Rev 14:9) there are a couple other key events that Revelation Says will happen... God Has 3 Angels Give Witness in Rev 14:7-9... Angel 1, vs 7 Witnesses to every living (and dead) being that The Father IS Real and HIS Son Comes In Judgment! This ENDS The Age Of Faith (and closes The Way Unto The Father!). Angel 2 (vs. 8) Witnesses the fall of Mystery Babylon the city/state/nation "gone in one hour". This is the USA removed from the world stage as a player...


Lots happening before all the feared events begin to transpire...

Most crucial being Rev 14:7 The Closing Of The Way Unto The Father...

These ARE The Final Moments...
Really worth taking a look in your spiritual mirror and asking if you're living The Born-Again Life?

John ch 17... Jesus' Witness of The Born-Again Life. HIS ONLY Witness Given in form of a Prayer... Might just be important??? Can you see your life described their BY HIM?

First John Epistle ch 2:19-27 is St. John's Witness of The Born-Again Life. Do you have that "Unction From The Holy One and KNOW all things"? You DO if you're Born-Again...

Then there's Ezekiel 36:26-27, The Concise Witness of The Born-Again Life...
26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


You can't help but KNOW when, how, why, and what you said when you Came Unto The Father; IF you are Born-Again...

There's no Believing or Faith involved here... YOU KNOW... You Experienced IT. You Stood IN Father's Presence and KNOW HE Gave You that New Heart Of HIS Flesh!


Don't Know those things Witnessed of in the 3 Scriptural citations mentioned above? There's your answer in your spiritual mirror...


While it is seemingly pious, humble, charitable, and caring to have concerns for others "making it through" I say that Jesus Witnesses about those like you...

Matt 7:21-23... Here HE Says HE ONLY KNOWS those "Who DO MY Father's Will..." This means HE Only Knows those Father Enabled to do so when they were Born-Again...
1. "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23. And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."


Come to grips with this, about The Lord's Witness: those HE Rejects had done Miracles, Cast-Out demons, and Prophesied In HIS Name... Have you?

Those HE Rejects did everything except Come Unto The Father and thereby Become Born-Again. They remained carnal-hearted "workers of iniquity" (self-willed) not Doers Of Father's Will...

If Ezekiel 36:26-27 Born-Again, you KNOW that God's Will IS ALWAYS Perfect!

Those unable/unwilling to Trust HIM Fully are failed vessels... You are what your are, and ain't what you ain't...

If you would BE HIS???
NOW IS THE TIME TO TELL HIM SO!


Marantha!!!
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Be still and know He is God.

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 Quoting: Galaxy500



Knowing HE IS God is your invitation to the King's Wedding Feast...

Being still might help in meditation, but it does nothing to manifest your heart Unto The Father...

Everybody rationalizes that "Faith without works is dead" means doing things for God in service to others....
Not so.

If you can't manifest your heart (take action) to Come Unto The Father, your Faith is failure. Faith is what motivates us to take action. The essential aspect of faith is Trust. If you claim Faith In God, but cannot Take Action; your Faith was not real.


Knowing HE IS God means nothing if it doesn't motivate you to Take Action.

Only through and By Taking Action, Coming Unto The Father, do we Give Father our leave, our permission for HIM to change us; to Give Us A New Heart Of HIS Flesh...

No action, no Relationship.
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9teen Hi Lester, it's nice to see you back. Yes basically it's all about having a personal relationship with the Lord.
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Amen.
Agreed.

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:9teen: Hi Lester, it's nice to see you back. Yes basically it's all about having a personal relationship with the Lord.
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Amen.
Agreed.

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No its deception... Jesus AGAIN taught that YOUR RELIGION is YOUR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with your Indwelling Father Fragment.

This religion has caused many christians to think they are special and everyone else sucks and needs to be destroyed.
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Jesus did not start a religion... Those who are GOD SEEKIING and desiring of the LIFE ETeRNAL are always "saved"... That SAVED thing is utterly STUPID.

Jesus did not visit directly his other 3.8 million worlds with human life and set up religions . THINK people.. for you have GOD GIVEN MINDS and during 4d you will learn to stop copy cat and THINK for yourselves.

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now that ^^^ is a load of crap.

Christianity began with the only begotten son himself.

Matthew 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.


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 Quoting: Galaxy500


No its deception... Jesus AGAIN taught that YOUR RELIGION is YOUR PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP with your Indwelling Father Fragment.

This religion has caused many christians to think they are special and everyone else sucks and needs to be destroyed.

 Quoting: ALL IS ONE IS ALL


Christians are far more special than those who belong to the dark brotherhood of satan of nebadon.
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Well look what, hate has brought back, your witness stinks Lester, you, swear, curse, basically claim you alone have the ultimate authority for scripture , authority, discourse and translation etc.
Are you a pope Lester?

And now i see your flaw, you don't believe YAHshua is YAH/YHVH, do you Lester.
Let me put that in English, so others will understand, you don't believe Jesus is God.

i am going to be specific, you believe that Father is superior, don't you Lester, and you are now at least YAHshua equal, i think you are deeply disturbed and possibly possessed

oh 14:6  Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 
Joh 14:7  If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 
Joh 14:8  Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 
Joh 14:9  Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 
Joh 14:10  Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 
Joh 14:11  Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. 

Please confirm, yes or no, no long rambling lies and deceptions, TIA

Light of YAH for you and blessing for everyone else you calumniate and curse, as you do so, amen YAHshua

Jas 3:13  Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 
Jas 3:14  But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. 
Jas 3:15  This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. 
Jas 3:16  For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. 
Jas 3:17  But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. 
Jas 3:18  And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace. 

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The deception is that they think they're "right with God"...


Saw a post elsewhere today about how anxious this nice Christian was about others who don't know God... and the suffering of the future days, meaning the great tribulation etc.

While this is a nice thought, it Proves the person lamenting for others is clueless about their own alienation. That's deception for you. Unable to see what you are even if looking in a mirror.

It's the Matthew 24 situation... vs 21-24:
21. For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23. Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.


It ALL Comes Down To This: Who Are The Very Elect?

If you're not Born-Again, per Ezekiel 36:26-27, you can't KNOW... You can't KNOW because you never Came Unto The Father and were Given "A New Heart" Of HIS Flesh and you weren't Enabled to KNOW and DO HIS Will and "Keep MY Statutes".

But, this is Laodicea and very few Christians "elected-chose" to Trust God Fully and Give HIM their lives.


So, those well-meaning Christians, unable though they are to Trust God Fully, worry about others...

Of course they do... They mean well... They just can't mean well enough to Trust God and live their lives Through HIM.


Lamenting for others when you are unable, unwilling to see The Truth about yourself...


Worried about "the great tribulation"?
In John ch 17, Jesus Witnesses that HIS People, the ones Father Entrusted Unto HIM, and HE Gave Back To Father before being crucified, were "Preserved against all evil."

Not a hard concept to understand, but one contemporary Christians won't "believe" or choose to ignore. Of course, not being Born-Again, they can't KNOW Life Lived With, In, and Through God The Father...


Before the man-of-sin comes to the world stage, (Rev 14:9) there are a couple other key events that Revelation Says will happen... God Has 3 Angels Give Witness in Rev 14:7-9... Angel 1, vs 7 Witnesses to every living (and dead) being that The Father IS Real and HIS Son Comes In Judgment! This ENDS The Age Of Faith (and closes The Way Unto The Father!). Angel 2 (vs. 8) Witnesses the fall of Mystery Babylon the city/state/nation "gone in one hour". This is the USA removed from the world stage as a player...


Lots happening before all the feared events begin to transpire...

Most crucial being Rev 14:7 The Closing Of The Way Unto The Father...

These ARE The Final Moments...
Really worth taking a look in your spiritual mirror and asking if you're living The Born-Again Life?

John ch 17... Jesus' Witness of The Born-Again Life. HIS ONLY Witness Given in form of a Prayer... Might just be important??? Can you see your life described their BY HIM?

First John Epistle ch 2:19-27 is St. John's Witness of The Born-Again Life. Do you have that "Unction From The Holy One and KNOW all things"? You DO if you're Born-Again...

Then there's Ezekiel 36:26-27, The Concise Witness of The Born-Again Life...
26. A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27. And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.


You can't help but KNOW when, how, why, and what you said when you Came Unto The Father; IF you are Born-Again...

There's no Believing or Faith involved here... YOU KNOW... You Experienced IT. You Stood IN Father's Presence and KNOW HE Gave You that New Heart Of HIS Flesh!


Don't Know those things Witnessed of in the 3 Scriptural citations mentioned above? There's your answer in your spiritual mirror...


While it is seemingly pious, humble, charitable, and caring to have concerns for others "making it through" I say that Jesus Witnesses about those like you...

Matt 7:21-23... Here HE Says HE ONLY KNOWS those "Who DO MY Father's Will..." This means HE Only Knows those Father Enabled to do so when they were Born-Again...
1. "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
22. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23. And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity."


Come to grips with this, about The Lord's Witness: those HE Rejects had done Miracles, Cast-Out demons, and Prophesied In HIS Name... Have you?

Those HE Rejects did everything except Come Unto The Father and thereby Become Born-Again. They remained carnal-hearted "workers of iniquity" (self-willed) not Doers Of Father's Will...

If Ezekiel 36:26-27 Born-Again, you KNOW that God's Will IS ALWAYS Perfect!

Those unable/unwilling to Trust HIM Fully are failed vessels... You are what your are, and ain't what you ain't...

If you would BE HIS???
NOW IS THE TIME TO TELL HIM SO!


Marantha!!!
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Well said!

100% full on absolute unconditional surrender or nothing.


and why not!?He has given us everything!

and offers us everything into all eternity

Only a fool would refuse that.
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9teen Hi Lester, it's nice to see you back. Yes basically it's all about having a personal relationship with the Lord.
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True.A lot of Christians think those who have seen Jesus,heard his voice,had dreams,visions from the Lord,are either lying or have an illness like Schizophrenia.
They'll rationalize that those things stopped soon after the Twelve Apostles finished preaching the gospel.
The Bible clearly says God will have a personal relationship with you if you receive him.
It's sin that prevents relationship with God.Being a lukewarm Christian,thinking you're hot is not where I'd want to be.
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Well look what, hate has brought back, your witness stinks Lester, you, swear, curse, basically claim you alone have the ultimate authority for scripture , authority, discourse and translation etc.
Are you a pope Lester?

And now i see your flaw, you don't believe YAHshua is YAH/YHVH, do you Lester.
Let me put that in English, so others will understand, you don't believe Jesus is God.

i am going to be specific, you believe that Father is superior, don't you Lester, and you are now at least YAHshua equal, i think you are deeply disturbed and possibly possessed

oh 14:6  Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. 
Joh 14:7  If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 
Joh 14:8  Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 
Joh 14:9  Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? 
Joh 14:10  Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. 
Joh 14:11  Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works' sake. 

Please confirm, yes or no, no long rambling lies and deceptions, TIA

Light of YAH for you and blessing for everyone else you calumniate and curse, as you do so, amen YAHshua

Jas 3:13  Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. 
Jas 3:14  But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. 
Jas 3:15  This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. 
Jas 3:16  For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. 
Jas 3:17  But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. 
Jas 3:18  And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace. 
 Quoting: FHL(C)


How fun! The fair-haired lad for Christ himself...
Posterboy for Laodicea.

Yeah, and Jesus was whispering sweet nothings as HE Scurged the bastard moneychangers from the Temple...

If you're not dead yet; I guess there's hope, even for a priggish Hebrews 12 Bastard.


I do like to cite St. Paul... Hebrews 12 verses 5-10, all about those who honor their earthly fathers, accepting the righteousness of their discipline and guidance, but Reject the Chastisement and Guidance of The Father...

Paul Says you guys of that ilk are "Bastards, not Sons". That none that have become Partakers Of HIS Holiness did so without enduring God's Chastisement and Guidance.

But the fair-haired laddie boy takes objection... Finds Paul offensive too, but I'm only guessing. Then again, Paul does Say that those who minister/teach/preach "Ought First BE Partakers Of THE Fruits"; meaning Ezekiel 36:26-27 Born-Again.

I was Instructed to use the common vernacular when I give my witness. Too bad if it offends you.

I am offended by those who won't look to their heart and Trust God Fully. Too bad that is you, Justin...



In these Final Moments, all that matters is YOU!
Only YOU can decide if you should manifest your heart Unto The Father...
Only YOU can decide if you can Trust God Fully with every aspect of your life...
Only YOU can ELECT to make your surrender Unto The Father...

Only YOU can walk your walk and Come Unto The Father.


Christ Jesus Died so that the stain of original sin could be removed from everyone who might Come Unto The Father.

Who would have imagined that so few could act on all they claim and actually manifest their heart Unto HIM...



The PROOF of the shallow nature of godly men occured on Pentecost. Over 800 friends, disciples and Apostles were present at Jesus' Ascension when HE Told Them "wait in the Upper Room for I will send The Comforter..." By the time God The Holy Spirit arrived, maybe 150 of all those that KNEW HIM and Saw HIM Ascend unto Heaven were still there.

Did the other 700 who Knew HIM in the flesh just have better places to be?

Such is the root of deception...
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From my perspective, the whole deception of this Laodicean church comes from the billy grahams who elaborated upon The Gospel in order to "win souls for God"...

Graham had no witness of Ezekiel 36:26-27. There is no becoming Born-Again from "accepting Jesus into you heart", but graham could sell that to Americans and get rich.

A friend once told me "not everyone gets The Burning Bush", meaning The Real Born-Again Experience... Of course they don't; if they're not sincere...

Everybody gets the Burning Bush, the reality that they've Been In Father's Presence and Received A New Heart of HIS Flesh...


There's no convincing others... Their heart either responds to God's Truth or it doesn't. Carnality bristles with resistance. Those who claim HIM but don't Know take umbrage and offer criticism.

Born-Agains KNOW other Born-Agains. The Holy Spirit Gives HIS Witness when we encounter others HE also Dwells With.

So much of the Laodicea doctrine seems to come from Monty Hall. There is no Let's Make A Deal Scripture with God. We Come Unto The Father and accept HIS Will because following our path brought us to brokenness. The Purehearts finally give up their all because they've tried everything else...

We're all sinners, with our carnal, stony-hearts. Alienated from God... Yet the sinner knows they're apart from HIM and that living on their own got them where they came to be. The sinner Knows only God can Deliver them from the life they chose and sought...

But these ARE The Final Moments...
One more shout-out on Godlike from Lester to those who cant' give witness of what their life In and With God is like.

Only KNOWING counts.
If you're still in the Believer or Faithful stage; time to step-up on your game or be left behind...

God's Will IS ALWAYS Perfect!
There is no reason to try and understand the "why".
Even what seems to be a disaster always works out...

There was no deal-making or expectation on my part when I gave HIM, YahWeh, Elohim, Jehovah, Father-God, my life. Without HIM, I knew I was dead and I Knew with-HIM everything had to be better.

This life is just the beginning... It's been so much more than everything I could have ever hoped for!


It can certainly be that way for you too!

maranatha!!!
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Jesus did not start a religion... Those who are GOD SEEKIING and desiring of the LIFE ETeRNAL are always "saved"... That SAVED thing is utterly STUPID.

Jesus did not visit directly his other 3.8 million worlds with human life and set up religions . THINK people.. for you have GOD GIVEN MINDS and during 4d you will learn to stop copy cat and THINK for yourselves.
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From my perspective, the whole deception of this Laodicean church comes from the billy grahams who elaborated upon The Gospel in order to "win souls for God"...

Graham had no witness of Ezekiel 36:26-27. There is no becoming Born-Again from "accepting Jesus into you heart", but graham could sell that to Americans and get rich.

A friend once told me "not everyone gets The Burning Bush", meaning The Real Born-Again Experience... Of course they don't; if they're not sincere...

Everybody gets the Burning Bush, the reality that they've Been In Father's Presence and Received A New Heart of HIS Flesh...


There's no convincing others... Their heart either responds to God's Truth or it doesn't. Carnality bristles with resistance. Those who claim HIM but don't Know take umbrage and offer criticism.

Born-Agains KNOW other Born-Agains. The Holy Spirit Gives HIS Witness when we encounter others HE also Dwells With.

So much of the Laodicea doctrine seems to come from Monty Hall. There is no Let's Make A Deal Scripture with God. We Come Unto The Father and accept HIS Will because following our path brought us to brokenness. The Purehearts finally give up their all because they've tried everything else...

We're all sinners, with our carnal, stony-hearts. Alienated from God... Yet the sinner knows they're apart from HIM and that living on their own got them where they came to be. The sinner Knows only God can Deliver them from the life they chose and sought...

But these ARE The Final Moments...
One more shout-out on Godlike from Lester to those who cant' give witness of what their life In and With God is like.

Only KNOWING counts.
If you're still in the Believer or Faithful stage; time to step-up on your game or be left behind...

God's Will IS ALWAYS Perfect!
There is no reason to try and understand the "why".
Even what seems to be a disaster always works out...

There was no deal-making or expectation on my part when I gave HIM, YahWeh, Elohim, Jehovah, Father-God, my life. Without HIM, I knew I was dead and I Knew with-HIM everything had to be better.

This life is just the beginning... It's been so much more than everything I could have ever hoped for!


It can certainly be that way for you too!

maranatha!!!
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There's no convincing others... Their heart either responds to God's Truth or it doesn't. Carnality bristles with resistance. Those who claim HIM but don't Know take umbrage and offer criticism.


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describes you very aptly , you don't learn very easily, each time you have condemned and judged unrighteously other believers on this platform, you have been disciplined by Father.
Believing you are o so right, all wise, and all knowing.

the fact you cant answer my simple question, convinces me you are cultish, and believe you are superior to YAHshua/Jesus, because of your so called relationship with Father, and therefore any spirit you have, i believe is no longer of Him, i have no problem confronting hypocrisy in church organisations, you though, want followers and seek to devour His sheep.

You are consumed by hate and anger, claiming that His love motivates you.

Repent , go sin no more, before something worse comes upon you,

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OP has much wisdom. Thank you!
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Why are you so bitter? So full of condemnation of another mans servants. Who do you really believe yourself to be? Its obvious you think you are at least an apostle, and resent others not acknowledging you.

Lets put this to the Living Word, choose a scripture, post it, and The one which is answered will be confirmation enough.

after you post next, whatever rant you decide you want to indulge in, i will post a Scripture, expressly for you, which if it is Father's will, shall be answered quickly
YAHshua the sound of His Name in English, YAH is short form of YHVH,
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OP has much wisdom. Thank you!
 Quoting: Neenerner


To say you are a sockpuppet or sycophant, is no understatement.

The wisdom from above, as posted in this very thread, is not exhibited by OP.

therefore it is the wisdom from below, ipso facto
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I have no trouble, with the thread title, Mo.
Its your delivery, attitude/arrogance, lack of love humility, hyper unrighteously judgmental , scripture twisting, bitterness, cursing and out and out hate, that tells me , you are not what you claim, and in fact can be classified as a deciver , false brethren, wolf in sheep's clothing, false prophet, dead letter killer, and accuser.
Therefore of your father, but not my Father AbbaYAH YHVH.

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Last Edited by FHL(C) on 09/11/2018 03:47 AM
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09/11/2018 12:51 PM
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I have no trouble, with the thread title, Mo.
Its your delivery, attitude/arrogance, lack of love humility, hyper unrighteously judgmental , scripture twisting, bitterness, cursing and out and out hate, that tells me , you are not what you claim, and in fact can be classified as a deciver , false brethren, wolf in sheep's clothing, false prophet, dead letter killer, and accuser.
Therefore of your father, but not my Father AbbaYAH YHVH.

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 Quoting: FHL(C)


There is no place in the bible where Jesus says something about God within you. That is a new age lie. Yes I know I will get "the kingdom of God is within you". It however wasn't referred to as that but your personal relationship with God.
Jesus said only those that do my Father's will, comes into heaven. And what was that. The commandments. To love others, like yourself. And God. Nowhere was he talking about meditation, or go within, etc. He was also clear that only through him we could come to the Father. This is clear talk to me.
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